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 Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: vermoholic]
#11381432 - 11/04/09 12:49 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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man, that is by far the worst trip report I've ever read
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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 Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: vermoholic]
#11381526 - 11/04/09 01:48 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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 To vermoholic.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11384299 - 11/04/09 01:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I knew Kenny since he was 6 years old. He was a great kid. I hadn’t seen him since he was 16 but from checking out his myspace.com/kennycsc74 he clearly had grown into a good guy and was very loved by his friends. They were still coming to terms with another friend’s death last year from an overdose. The last time I saw him was on a vacation he, his mom, and I took out west together. It was the first time I had ever been around him without being stoned and we had the best time ever. I started smoking weed when I was 13 and when I got kicked out at 17 I started smoking every day and binging on whatever was around including shrooms on the weekends. Ten years later it was starting to loose it’s appeal a bit so I pretty much dropped out of society to devote myself full time to weed so I could stay stoned all day every day. Another ten years went by and I found myself crying out to God to help me quit. Well God is good and he did exactly that. I’m not saying it was all bad but for me it was not all good ether. Deep down I had always wished I could feel the peace my altered state would hint at sometimes and enjoy life with a clear mind. I’m happy to say I got my wish and just wanted to share that Jesus is by far the best trip I’ve ever been on and it lasts forever! Peace be with you all, MJB
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11384333 - 11/04/09 01:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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most people have no problem smoking weed and being sober a lot of the time. it probably has nothing to do with jesus
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: bigorangeclown]
#11384403 - 11/04/09 01:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Apparently this man was a fool.
Plain and simple.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11384696 - 11/04/09 01:53 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Once the mushrooms began to take effect, Hotz first experienced spiritual hallucinations,
What are "spiritual hallucinations"?? Seeing ghosts of dead relatives?
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“He started to feel an evil sensation. He thought he was dying. He felt he had lost God’s love.”
Pickens said his client believed Pfeiffer was part of an elaborate plan to kill him and says he heard a voice saying “God can’t save you.”
Goes to show that you should be careful of that religion business. Probably all this stems from him feeling guilty about taking mushrooms...
Tragic case, though.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: vermoholic]
#11384724 - 11/04/09 01:55 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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vermoholic said:
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lightsdownlow said:
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, for those of you who are growers out there, this can call into question the ethics of your hobby, especially if you are distributing in some way. What if that eighth was produced by a shroomery member? I wouldn't be surprised.
what are you babbling about? there are millions of different types of people and millions of different things effect thwem in millions of different ways.
do you know almost more people died from swine flu vaccine than from the swine flu itself? do you know over 400 people per year in the US die from penicillin allergies? does that ignore the millions of lives it saved? your way of thinking is limited.
how about alcohol that is available at every store? who takes the blame for the "questionable ethics" as you say in that?
# 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
# 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
# 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
# 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
mushrooms probably take up like 0.0001 % of all that. and when that tiny % happens, "serious" world goes bananas. meditate on that.
Agreed.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Mr E Guest]
#11385173 - 11/04/09 02:45 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I personally think he had a slight mental disorder to start with. The only people Ive known of who think that the CIA or ghosts are after them are on meds to combat the delusions...
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Peacefuel
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 Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: wowitch17]
#11385853 - 11/04/09 04:13 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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wowitch17 said:
most people have no problem smoking weed and being sober a lot of the time. it probably has nothing to do with jesus
There was a time when I would have been the first one to agree with you. Over the years I’ve known a lot of pot smokers. Sure some were casual users but the majority eventually would partake daily and throughout the day if they could get away with it and could afford it. I tried several times to quit on my own. It wasn’t until I ask God for help that I was able to do so. I was just trying to share that God has given me a peace that far exceeds anything I was able to experience with mind-altering substances. ~Peace
Edited by Peacefuel (11/04/09 04:13 PM)
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11386524 - 11/04/09 05:45 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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what a fukin idiot
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: PeaceMoodie]
#11388086 - 11/04/09 09:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think everyones being pretty harsh. Haven't we all had confusing trips where we thought something was happening or about to happen that didn't. How many times have you guys seen flashing lights and ran to flush your stash, or thought you were being set up. This guy and not the shrooms are responsible but I dunno I feel for him. I had a friend who thought he was stuck in a time loop, imaging being in a situation where you honestly think it's kill or be killed isn't so hard. I agree he's probably not stable/the kind of person who should trip.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: jellyfish]
#11388240 - 11/04/09 09:47 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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i've noticed a lot of you saying "more people have been killed by drunk people then by people on mushrooms" or things to that effect....but no one has taken into consideration that alcohol is legal almost everywhere. mushrooms are illegal almost everywhere. alcohol is used by millions of more people then mushrooms, and on a daily basis.
there is no way to compare the two, anyway.
if mushrooms were as legal and used as alcohol, i think we would see a lot more shit like this happening. a LOT more. probably even more mushroom related then alcohol related. stupid people would be taking mushrooms, not knowing what they were getting themselves into.
mushrooms obviously alter the psyche a lot more then alcohol does.
just a thought.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: SunshineDaydream]
#11388985 - 11/05/09 02:12 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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SunshineDaydream said:
i've noticed a lot of you saying "more people have been killed by drunk people then by people on mushrooms" or things to that effect....but no one has taken into consideration that alcohol is legal almost everywhere. mushrooms are illegal almost everywhere. alcohol is used by millions of more people then mushrooms, and on a daily basis.
there is no way to compare the two, anyway.
dont worry man, we have take it into consideration, and i partially agree with you there, although THERE IS a really good way to compare the two. look at those numbers! if someone tells you they are keeping something illegal for your well being, while giving another drug available on the market that is involved in more than 50% of all homicides in the world, involved in almost every domestic violence case there is, involved in half of accident/automobile deaths etc etc (the list is REALLY long), there is something really really fishy in the air.
all that happens and alcohol is still legal. shrooms have a case like this and they are heavily condemned.
also, people who try shrooms use it in alot of dumb ways since noone educated them about it. they are a sacred plant, and people use it as a recreational/social drug. as bill hicks said in his standup, quoting a random anti-mushroom propagator: "i took mushrooms and went to disney world, and had a horrible time!" .."well that's because your a ...moron"
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if mushrooms were as legal and used as alcohol, i think we would see a lot more shit like this happening. a LOT more. probably even more mushroom related then alcohol related. stupid people would be taking mushrooms, not knowing what they were getting themselves into.
mushrooms obviously alter the psyche a lot more then alcohol does.
just a thought.
this has yet to be tested and seen, now its just speculation. shrooms enhance the perceptive, creative, logical and spiritual centers and it aint for everybody to take without supervision. alot of people have their world view's set in stone, and the new, different information that shrooms show them, than the one they build their persona around their whole life, can break a whole character down. its a great tool, but has to be used with alot of care in certain individuals. should it be banned if someone might snap on it? ofc not. educate people about it. make supervised seminars. find out the right individual dosage. doesnt that seem like more care about an individual than simply trowing them in jail?
should we ban physics research labs since if an unqualified person used them he could create a nuclear disaster? maybe a bit naive comparison, but you know what i'm aiming at
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11389570 - 11/05/09 07:28 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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For any of you folks out there who understand the power of prayer, please keep Kenny's mom in your prayers. (Kenny is the guy who was murdered). His mom is really hurting. Her son was her whole life. I don't think she'll ever be the same from her son being murdered in such a senseless brutal way. Thanks for your consideration and prayers. ~Peace
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11390367 - 11/05/09 10:30 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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R.I.P. Kenny.
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Peacefuel
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11390458 - 11/05/09 10:47 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Twiztidsage said:
R.I.P. Kenny.
amen
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11390555 - 11/05/09 11:13 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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**UPDATE** Nebraska State Paper
The trial of a Chadron man accused of murdering his roommate by stabbing him 51 times continued Wednesday, as friends of Joseph Hotz testified to a calm, friendly persona that stood in sharp contrast with his alleged murder of Kenneth Pfeiffer.
Prosecutors have charged Hotz, a former Chadron State College student, with felony murder. They allege he smoked marijuana and dropped poisonous, psychedelic mushrooms before murdering Pfeiffer, blitzing out of the house, and threatening a neighbor with the same fate unless the man coughed over his keys. Hotz has entered of not guilty plea by reason of insanity.
Two witnesses – former roommate John Pierson and friend Issac Sager – said Hotz and Pfeiffer were good friends, and Hotz was, according to Pierson, “the most peaceful guy I ever met.” Pierson had lived with Hotz for two years before Pfeiffer moved in to the house on 935 Shelton in Chadron. Pierson had to move out because the landlord nixed pets, and Pierson owned a cat.
Pierson said he'd seen Hotz and Pffeifer drop mushrooms before, but neither flew into the kind of rage that produce a murder.
It kicked off Tuesday with opening arguments and a tape of the distraught Hotz telling a police officer – who happened to lead a ministry group Hotz was in - that he believed he'd killed Pfeiffer. Hotz bawled on the tape, asking for his parents, friends and God to save him, and to recognize “there is some good in me.”
Prosecutors argued that Hotz had dropped mushrooms before, had a series of bad trips, and knew he might again, and thus was responsible for the murder. The defense countered that Hotz hallucinated a kind of holy war while on the trip, believing he's lost God's favor, and was about to killed by Pfeiffer. The prosecution framed Hotz's instinct as “Darwinian,” brushing aside any metaphysical or spiritual characterization of the event.
The trial may wrap this week, or continue into early next week. The 14-member jury is comprised of 11 women and three men.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11394648 - 11/05/09 09:19 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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IME, god always makes for a bad trip. I prefer not to think about the christian god while tripping. He's way too omnipresent and all controlling and will invariably lead someone to a hyper-paranoid state. Such a concept is best left out of someone's mind during a mushroom trip.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: ScavengerType]
#11395535 - 11/06/09 12:40 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said:
IME, god always makes for a bad trip. I prefer not to think about the christian god while tripping. He's way too omnipresent and all controlling and will invariably lead someone to a hyper-paranoid state. Such a concept is best left out of someone's mind during a mushroom trip.
Only if you believe in god.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11395774 - 11/06/09 02:48 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is he a troll, or just an idiot? I can't tell.
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