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November 3rd 2009 - The Chadron News
The opening arguments in the murder trial for Joseph Hotz painted a picture of a bloody, brutal scene allegedly brought on by a bad trip from psilocybin mushrooms
A jury of 11 women and three men began hearing evidence Tuesday morning in the trial that is expected to last the rest of the week. Hotz, 26, of Rushville is charged with first degree murder, attempt of a Class IA felony (attempted murder), four counts of use of a deadly weapon to commit a felony, one count of making terroristic threats and one count of attempted robbery.
Hotz was arrested Dec. 5, 2008, after allegedly attempting to break in to houses on King Street and threatening one of the residents. After his arrest, Chadron police officers found his roommate, Kenneth Pfeiffer, Jr., 22, dead in their home at 935 Shelton Street.
Doug Warner of the Attorney General’s Office took the jury through the events of the night as the state sees them in his opening statement. The evening began with a 911 call from Susan Jensen at 845 King just after 6 p.m. She reported that a man covered in blood was pounding on her door. A few minutes later, her neighbor Rolland Sayer called 911 reporting an intruder. The recording of the call will let the jury hear hacking sounds as Hotz attacks the bathroom door with a knife while Sayer is inside calling the police, Warner said.
Nancy Sayer, Rolland’s wife, was in the living room when Hotz entered their home. Warner said she heard the front door but assumed it was one of their grandchildren.
“Then around the corner appears a man in a blood-soaked shirt with two knives in his hands,” Warner said.
Hotz eventually left the Sayer home, and police responding to the 911 calls saw him leaving a yard and chased him down on Bordeaux Street. Warner said Hotz told officers the blood was from his roommate, and Officers Rick Hickstein and Mike Loutzenhizer went to the two men’s home to search for Pfeiffer. The officers entered the home through a broken patio door and found Pfeiffer laying in the hallway in a pool of blood and covered with wounds, Warner said.
The autopsy indicated Pfeiffer was stabbed 14 times and had 37 other incision wounds. Warner said four of the wounds would have been fatal, including one in the back, one in the neck, one in the back of the head and one in the shoulder. Hotz also had a stab wound in his leg, which according to Warner, Hotz said he did himself when he missed Pfeiffer with a dagger.
Warner said the two men each consumed one-eighth of an ounce of mushrooms and smoked marijuana the afternoon of Dec. 5, and Hotz began to think Pfeiffer was trying to kill him.
“He had a Darwinian realization of survival of the fittest,” Warner said. Hotz grabbed a knife, which Pfeiffer was able to wrestle away from him, but when Pfeiffer let him go, Hotz found another weapon, Warner said. He then apparently entered Pfeiffer’s bedroom where, from the disarray, it appears much of the attack occurred. Hotz then left the home and tried to get into the homes on King Street.
Warner said Hotz has admitted to using mushrooms before and to having a bad experience with the drugs, believing the CIA and ghosts were chasing him.
“This is someone who knew exactly the effects of these mushrooms … and now he’s saying he can’t be responsible,” Warner said.
Jeff Pickens of the Nebraska Commission on Public Advocacy delivered the defense’s opening statement. He told the jury that witnesses will testify that Hotz and Pfeiffer were good friends and that Hotz was known as a peaceful person. Once the mushrooms began to take effect, Hotz first experienced spiritual hallucinations, Pickens said.
“But that changed, and he then became very paranoid, fearful – fearful of Kenny.”
With those thoughts in his head, Hotz threatened Pfeiffer with a knife, but the larger man was able to bear-hug him and get the knife away. Hotz then ran to the basement of the home looking for another weapon, Pickens said.
“He started to feel an evil sensation. He thought he was dying. He felt he had lost God’s love.”
Pickens said his client believed Pfeiffer was part of an elaborate plan to kill him and says he heard a voice saying “God can’t save you.” He also heard people surrounding the home and believed he was in a position of “kill or be killed.”
Hotz remembers charging into Pfeiffer’s bedroom, stabbing him once in the arm and once in the head.
“He told investigators otherwise it’s a blur,” Pickens said.
When he left the home the two men shared, he still believed he was in danger and went to the homes on King Street calling for help. Even when he was arrested, Pickens contends, his client thought the police were fake and were going to kill him. While in the patrol car, he was asked several times if he’s OK or hurt and he kept saying he was confused and didn’t know what was going on.
“You can hear him yelling and screaming for his friends. … He’s convinced he’s going to die. You can hear him begging and praying for mercy the way a dying person begs for mercy,” Pickens said, referring to the in-car recordings.
Hotz cooperated with investigators and told them everything he could remember, he added. Two psychiatric experts evaluated Hotz and reviewed the evidence for the defense and determined that Hotz suffered from a drug-induced psychosis and drug-induced delirium, Pickens said.
“At the time of these acts, Mr. Hotz’s mental capacity was impaired to such an extent that he neither knew right from wrong nor knew the nature of what he was doing.”
He used the mushrooms with the intention of having a good, spiritual experience, which he’d had on several occasions with the drug, Pickens said. The state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to kill Pfeiffer with deliberation and malice, he reminded the jury.
Hotz has pled not guilty by reason of insanity, a defense that his lawyers must prove by a “greater weight of evidence” that he did not know what he was doing the evening of Dec. 5.
“I am confident you will find Mr. Hotz not responsible by reason of insanity,” Pickens concluded.
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 Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11378181 - 11/03/09 03:18 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Care must always be taken with mushrooms, as we all know.. Apparently this man was a fool. He more than likely had an underlying mental condition.
Also how many times have we seen someone high on meth or crack or even drunk on alcohol murder someone... Come on now..
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: bigorangeclown]
#11378231 - 11/03/09 03:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow another fucking dumbass and another step backwards for shrooms. I feel terrible for the guy he killed that mustve been an absolutely terrible way to go. This guy definately needs to be put away
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Revolutionine]
#11378255 - 11/03/09 03:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea what a jackass trying to plead insane
theres no excuse for stabbing someone to death while on mushrooms
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: wowitch17]
#11378289 - 11/03/09 03:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is totally fucking nuts!! There has not been a time when I went this crazy from eating shrooms, this jackass deserves to be behind bars for his ignorance
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: LivioDoubleFang]
#11378413 - 11/03/09 03:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah lock his ass up, i never get angry like that on mushrooms (not saying its impossible)
and yeah people get murdered all the time whether it was drug induced or not a murders a murder but it just makes mushrooms look bad even though people get wasted on booze and kill people all the time
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Dutch-Master2890]
#11378457 - 11/03/09 03:59 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuckin ehh. toss him in the loony bin
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: floydisgod]
#11378544 - 11/03/09 04:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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God man, I just don't understand this kind of evil in the world.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: TheMerryGangster]
#11378944 - 11/03/09 05:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is really disturbing. While I've never felt the tiniest bit of malice or inclination to violence on mushrooms (always completely the opposite), I'm haunted by the statement "he used the mushrooms with the intention of having a good, spiritual experience, which he’d had on several occasions with the drug...." I'm asking myself why this couldn't be me?
My worst trip involved me coming to believe that I had gone completely nuts and actually killed or wounded people I love, and that I was coming to in police or hospital restraints. Total fiction, but that the mushroom was powerful enough to make me believe this "impossible" thing left me wondering what else it is powerful enough to make me believe or... do.
Isn't it precisely the power of this substance that makes us love it? And we all know how important it is not to resist, go with the flow, trust the shroom, and it will all work out right? "he used the mushrooms with the intention of having a good, spiritual experience, which he’d had on several occasions with the drug...."
Bigorangeclown said "He more than likely had an underlying mental condition." That seems like too convenient an explanation after the fact.
Sorry if this is a downer. Respect, respect, respect.
Anyway, yeah, lock him up. If it were me I'd plead guilty to charges below first-degree murder, which implies premeditation.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: latherdome]
#11379116 - 11/03/09 05:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow what a fuck! I'm with every one here lock his ass up!
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: TheMerryGangster]
#11379166 - 11/03/09 05:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its not evil, its mental illness. Whether or not its an excuse is another argument all together, but people that are normal usually do not randomly kill someone because they are afraid of them then run around knocking on random people's doors. Its obvious he's got some serious mental disorder, and I feel sorry for both of them. He belongs off the street, more for other people's safety though than for punishment IMO.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: fapjack]
#11380310 - 11/03/09 08:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people are really silly about how they just jump in and eat a 1/8th or so and then they end up out of control and on the zooming down elevator out of there minds, with no grasp on reality! Its sounds easy to trip hard, but its not! Anyone who trips with any regularity knows one mushroom may not be so potent while some shrooms you can consume just one and feel super heavy effects. I would never just jump up and chow down on an eight of them, to me that's asking the shroom Gods to think your not responsible. It can be a one way ticket punishing experience if you go into it wrong or without caution and respect! Then you get what we have here today which is the way he wants it. well he gets it! Peace!!
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: fapjack]
#11380414 - 11/03/09 08:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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dude its not a mental disorder unless you consider dumb people or people with little self control like junkies to have a disorder.
the guy didnt have a psychotic break, just a really strong mushroom trip that his mind couldnt handle and went into fight or flight mode.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11380828 - 11/03/09 10:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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"But that changed, and he then became very paranoid, fearful - fearful of Kenny."
Oh my god, he killed Kenny! YOU BASTARD!
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: wowitch17]
#11380833 - 11/03/09 10:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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people are being such dicks about this.
otherwhitemeat -- I have similar feelings about this. I have had "good, spiritual experiences" as well as mildly paranoid experiences on psychedelics in the past. Well, I guess not paranoid but perhaps a little bit delusional, and definitely experiences of solipsism in which I'm the only "real" person or mind in existence, and I made everyone else up. I can see how such a solipsistic state could have led me to do some dangerous things. I had a friend bolt down a busy street once as a college freshman, freaking out and running head-on into people, dashing out in front of cars, etc.
wowitch, I think you're being too harsh on this guy. what the fuck do junkies have to do with this? junkies assault and sometimes kill people usually because they are in withdrawal and will do anything for a hit. That has very little to do with this situation. And why is he automatically labeled as "dumb"? It seems like you're equating his mental stability with his level of intelligence, which are two very different things. If he was already somewhat mentally unstable, then and
honestly I think everyone is probably just really pissed that this ruins our whole "shrooms are a friendly substance" agenda, and "makes shrooms look bad," so we're quick to label him as stupid or careless and write it off. If, instead, we sat back and think about how it could have been us, I think we could stand to gain a lot more from this tragic event.
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, for those of you who are growers out there, this can call into question the ethics of your hobby, especially if you are distributing in some way. What if that eighth was produced by a shroomery member? I wouldn't be surprised.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: lightsdownlow]
#11380934 - 11/03/09 10:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i just wanted to make fun of junkies
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Revolutionine]
#11381035 - 11/03/09 10:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I live in Nebraska.... I really hope the media doesn't get wind of this and sensationalize it, or there's gonna be a couple of months where the, "Mushrooms are the Devil" mobs are running around everywhere.
I just hate that shrooms are going to get slandered so badly as this horrible drug that causes people to do these things... I personally don't buy this guys story for 1 minute.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: HeavyMetal]
#11381163 - 11/03/09 11:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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man i hate this anti mushroom bullshit propaganda.
when a murderer/mental case kills someone on alcohol or prescription drugs or something - they blame his mental condition.
if the same person did the same thing on mushrooms....they blame the mushrooms.
WTF?
let me put my tin foil hat on and say that cases like these will always pop up, if they happen or not, just so they keep shrooms illegal, and sheeps in the heard.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: lightsdownlow]
#11381263 - 11/03/09 11:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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lightsdownlow said:
honestly I think everyone is probably just really pissed that this ruins our whole "shrooms are a friendly substance" agenda, and "makes shrooms look bad," so we're quick to label him as stupid or careless and write it off. If, instead, we sat back and think about how it could have been us, I think we could stand to gain a lot more from this tragic event.
the problem here isnt that he had a bad experience, its that when someone has one it sets back mushroom legalisation 5 years back. 100's of people around the world do the exact same thing on alcohol every day and you barely hear about it. 1 guy does it on mushrooms and they are the devil.
also, the governments treat shrooms as an criminal instead of as a disease. if they cared about people like they claim they do when they ban a substance, why not educate them about pro's and cons of that substance and have supervised sessions where people try it, since they know alot of people will still take them illegally?
i read somewhere a mom arranged her 17 year old kid to try ectasy under medical supervision since, as she said, he will try it anyway, so if something goes wrong its better that its supervised than somewhere on some rave party. that sounds kinda sick, but makes sense as well. some people can not handle the drug and after first time they will know NOT to take it again. especially if there is a supervisor that could take care of the group, and see who has problems, and warn them about it.
why, when someone gets busted with mushrooms and gets charged for mushroom "abuse"(whatever the fuck that word means) he goes to jail instead of the hospital? if you're saying that this devil's substance got a hold of my life, why push me further down the pit and put me in jail with murderers, rapists and thieves instead of helping me? only lesson i will learn from jail when i get out is that i will know how to murder, rape & steal.
oh i know why. 1.there is nothing wrong with me, on the contrary. 2. your story in saying you do anything for my well being or well being of people around me is a FUCKING LIE. 3. if we even ignore spiritual intuition, even pure logic doesnt work anymore in explaining why the mushrooms are illegal, except admiting that they would ruin the existing world order where people get heavily exploited.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: lightsdownlow]
#11381306 - 11/04/09 12:06 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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lightsdownlow said:
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, for those of you who are growers out there, this can call into question the ethics of your hobby, especially if you are distributing in some way. What if that eighth was produced by a shroomery member? I wouldn't be surprised.
what are you babbling about? there are millions of different types of people and millions of different things effect thwem in millions of different ways.
do you know almost more people died from swine flu vaccine than from the swine flu itself? do you know over 400 people per year in the US die from penicillin allergies? does that ignore the millions of lives it saved? your way of thinking is limited.
how about alcohol that is available at every store? who takes the blame for the "questionable ethics" as you say in that?
# 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
# 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
# 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
# 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
mushrooms probably take up like 0.0001 % of all that. and when that tiny % happens, "serious" world goes bananas. meditate on that.
Edited by vermoholic (11/04/09 12:21 AM)
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: vermoholic]
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man, that is by far the worst trip report I've ever read
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#11381526 - 11/04/09 01:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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 To vermoholic.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
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I knew Kenny since he was 6 years old. He was a great kid. I hadn’t seen him since he was 16 but from checking out his myspace.com/kennycsc74 he clearly had grown into a good guy and was very loved by his friends. They were still coming to terms with another friend’s death last year from an overdose. The last time I saw him was on a vacation he, his mom, and I took out west together. It was the first time I had ever been around him without being stoned and we had the best time ever. I started smoking weed when I was 13 and when I got kicked out at 17 I started smoking every day and binging on whatever was around including shrooms on the weekends. Ten years later it was starting to loose it’s appeal a bit so I pretty much dropped out of society to devote myself full time to weed so I could stay stoned all day every day. Another ten years went by and I found myself crying out to God to help me quit. Well God is good and he did exactly that. I’m not saying it was all bad but for me it was not all good ether. Deep down I had always wished I could feel the peace my altered state would hint at sometimes and enjoy life with a clear mind. I’m happy to say I got my wish and just wanted to share that Jesus is by far the best trip I’ve ever been on and it lasts forever! Peace be with you all, MJB
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11384333 - 11/04/09 01:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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most people have no problem smoking weed and being sober a lot of the time. it probably has nothing to do with jesus
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: bigorangeclown]
#11384403 - 11/04/09 01:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apparently this man was a fool.
Plain and simple.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11384696 - 11/04/09 01:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Once the mushrooms began to take effect, Hotz first experienced spiritual hallucinations,
What are "spiritual hallucinations"?? Seeing ghosts of dead relatives?
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“He started to feel an evil sensation. He thought he was dying. He felt he had lost God’s love.”
Pickens said his client believed Pfeiffer was part of an elaborate plan to kill him and says he heard a voice saying “God can’t save you.”
Goes to show that you should be careful of that religion business. Probably all this stems from him feeling guilty about taking mushrooms...
Tragic case, though.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: vermoholic]
#11384724 - 11/04/09 01:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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vermoholic said:
Quote:
lightsdownlow said:
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, for those of you who are growers out there, this can call into question the ethics of your hobby, especially if you are distributing in some way. What if that eighth was produced by a shroomery member? I wouldn't be surprised.
what are you babbling about? there are millions of different types of people and millions of different things effect thwem in millions of different ways.
do you know almost more people died from swine flu vaccine than from the swine flu itself? do you know over 400 people per year in the US die from penicillin allergies? does that ignore the millions of lives it saved? your way of thinking is limited.
how about alcohol that is available at every store? who takes the blame for the "questionable ethics" as you say in that?
# 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
# 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
# 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
# 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
mushrooms probably take up like 0.0001 % of all that. and when that tiny % happens, "serious" world goes bananas. meditate on that.
Agreed.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Mr E Guest]
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I personally think he had a slight mental disorder to start with. The only people Ive known of who think that the CIA or ghosts are after them are on meds to combat the delusions...
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#11385853 - 11/04/09 04:13 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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most people have no problem smoking weed and being sober a lot of the time. it probably has nothing to do with jesus
There was a time when I would have been the first one to agree with you. Over the years I’ve known a lot of pot smokers. Sure some were casual users but the majority eventually would partake daily and throughout the day if they could get away with it and could afford it. I tried several times to quit on my own. It wasn’t until I ask God for help that I was able to do so. I was just trying to share that God has given me a peace that far exceeds anything I was able to experience with mind-altering substances. ~Peace
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11386524 - 11/04/09 05:45 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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what a fukin idiot
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: PeaceMoodie]
#11388086 - 11/04/09 09:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think everyones being pretty harsh. Haven't we all had confusing trips where we thought something was happening or about to happen that didn't. How many times have you guys seen flashing lights and ran to flush your stash, or thought you were being set up. This guy and not the shrooms are responsible but I dunno I feel for him. I had a friend who thought he was stuck in a time loop, imaging being in a situation where you honestly think it's kill or be killed isn't so hard. I agree he's probably not stable/the kind of person who should trip.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: jellyfish]
#11388240 - 11/04/09 09:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've noticed a lot of you saying "more people have been killed by drunk people then by people on mushrooms" or things to that effect....but no one has taken into consideration that alcohol is legal almost everywhere. mushrooms are illegal almost everywhere. alcohol is used by millions of more people then mushrooms, and on a daily basis.
there is no way to compare the two, anyway.
if mushrooms were as legal and used as alcohol, i think we would see a lot more shit like this happening. a LOT more. probably even more mushroom related then alcohol related. stupid people would be taking mushrooms, not knowing what they were getting themselves into.
mushrooms obviously alter the psyche a lot more then alcohol does.
just a thought.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: SunshineDaydream]
#11388985 - 11/05/09 02:12 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've noticed a lot of you saying "more people have been killed by drunk people then by people on mushrooms" or things to that effect....but no one has taken into consideration that alcohol is legal almost everywhere. mushrooms are illegal almost everywhere. alcohol is used by millions of more people then mushrooms, and on a daily basis.
there is no way to compare the two, anyway.
dont worry man, we have take it into consideration, and i partially agree with you there, although THERE IS a really good way to compare the two. look at those numbers! if someone tells you they are keeping something illegal for your well being, while giving another drug available on the market that is involved in more than 50% of all homicides in the world, involved in almost every domestic violence case there is, involved in half of accident/automobile deaths etc etc (the list is REALLY long), there is something really really fishy in the air.
all that happens and alcohol is still legal. shrooms have a case like this and they are heavily condemned.
also, people who try shrooms use it in alot of dumb ways since noone educated them about it. they are a sacred plant, and people use it as a recreational/social drug. as bill hicks said in his standup, quoting a random anti-mushroom propagator: "i took mushrooms and went to disney world, and had a horrible time!" .."well that's because your a ...moron"
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if mushrooms were as legal and used as alcohol, i think we would see a lot more shit like this happening. a LOT more. probably even more mushroom related then alcohol related. stupid people would be taking mushrooms, not knowing what they were getting themselves into.
mushrooms obviously alter the psyche a lot more then alcohol does.
just a thought.
this has yet to be tested and seen, now its just speculation. shrooms enhance the perceptive, creative, logical and spiritual centers and it aint for everybody to take without supervision. alot of people have their world view's set in stone, and the new, different information that shrooms show them, than the one they build their persona around their whole life, can break a whole character down. its a great tool, but has to be used with alot of care in certain individuals. should it be banned if someone might snap on it? ofc not. educate people about it. make supervised seminars. find out the right individual dosage. doesnt that seem like more care about an individual than simply trowing them in jail?
should we ban physics research labs since if an unqualified person used them he could create a nuclear disaster? maybe a bit naive comparison, but you know what i'm aiming at
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11389570 - 11/05/09 07:28 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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For any of you folks out there who understand the power of prayer, please keep Kenny's mom in your prayers. (Kenny is the guy who was murdered). His mom is really hurting. Her son was her whole life. I don't think she'll ever be the same from her son being murdered in such a senseless brutal way. Thanks for your consideration and prayers. ~Peace
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11390367 - 11/05/09 10:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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R.I.P. Kenny.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
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R.I.P. Kenny.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11390555 - 11/05/09 11:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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**UPDATE** Nebraska State Paper
The trial of a Chadron man accused of murdering his roommate by stabbing him 51 times continued Wednesday, as friends of Joseph Hotz testified to a calm, friendly persona that stood in sharp contrast with his alleged murder of Kenneth Pfeiffer.
Prosecutors have charged Hotz, a former Chadron State College student, with felony murder. They allege he smoked marijuana and dropped poisonous, psychedelic mushrooms before murdering Pfeiffer, blitzing out of the house, and threatening a neighbor with the same fate unless the man coughed over his keys. Hotz has entered of not guilty plea by reason of insanity.
Two witnesses – former roommate John Pierson and friend Issac Sager – said Hotz and Pfeiffer were good friends, and Hotz was, according to Pierson, “the most peaceful guy I ever met.” Pierson had lived with Hotz for two years before Pfeiffer moved in to the house on 935 Shelton in Chadron. Pierson had to move out because the landlord nixed pets, and Pierson owned a cat.
Pierson said he'd seen Hotz and Pffeifer drop mushrooms before, but neither flew into the kind of rage that produce a murder.
It kicked off Tuesday with opening arguments and a tape of the distraught Hotz telling a police officer – who happened to lead a ministry group Hotz was in - that he believed he'd killed Pfeiffer. Hotz bawled on the tape, asking for his parents, friends and God to save him, and to recognize “there is some good in me.”
Prosecutors argued that Hotz had dropped mushrooms before, had a series of bad trips, and knew he might again, and thus was responsible for the murder. The defense countered that Hotz hallucinated a kind of holy war while on the trip, believing he's lost God's favor, and was about to killed by Pfeiffer. The prosecution framed Hotz's instinct as “Darwinian,” brushing aside any metaphysical or spiritual characterization of the event.
The trial may wrap this week, or continue into early next week. The 14-member jury is comprised of 11 women and three men.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11394648 - 11/05/09 09:19 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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IME, god always makes for a bad trip. I prefer not to think about the christian god while tripping. He's way too omnipresent and all controlling and will invariably lead someone to a hyper-paranoid state. Such a concept is best left out of someone's mind during a mushroom trip.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: ScavengerType]
#11395535 - 11/06/09 12:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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IME, god always makes for a bad trip. I prefer not to think about the christian god while tripping. He's way too omnipresent and all controlling and will invariably lead someone to a hyper-paranoid state. Such a concept is best left out of someone's mind during a mushroom trip.
Only if you believe in god.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11395774 - 11/06/09 02:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is he a troll, or just an idiot? I can't tell.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11395782 - 11/06/09 02:56 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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IME, god always makes for a bad trip. I prefer not to think about the christian god while tripping. He's way too omnipresent and all controlling and will invariably lead someone to a hyper-paranoid state. Such a concept is best left out of someone's mind during a mushroom trip.
Only if you believe in god.
When your high you can believe in some fucked up shit, especially if you have had such a nutty concoction as this god figure reinforced into your mind as a factual entity.
I had a bad trip once when my GF asked me what god's last name was and I kept thinking he was watching me and it was creeping me out, he is a creepy fellow always staring about at your buisness and presumably judging you. As a literary character I would characterize him as a subjective super-villain.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: ScavengerType]
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God loves us and only wants the best for us.
Edited by Peacefuel (11/06/09 07:07 AM)
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: dispizeme]
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Is he a troll, or just an idiot? I can't tell.
Why is he an idiot?
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11398594 - 11/06/09 01:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is he a troll, or just an idiot? I can't tell.
Why is he an idiot?
me or the Jesus freak?
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: ScavengerType]
#11402034 - 11/06/09 11:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: dispizeme]
#11411574 - 11/08/09 01:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow thats fucked up, he sounds like a retard - even if he did that messed up he still showed a really bad ability and he shouldnt be considered responsible enough to remain in society, no? What if he has another psychotic episode from drugs or something else... wtf pleading for insanity isnt sufficient IMO
wow I just realized how much religion was mixed up into this case, talk about a lot of psychological issues behind this whole deal... wow
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: andrewss]
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wtf pleading for insanity isnt sufficient IMO
wow I just realized how much religion was mixed up into this case,
I’m with you, and it seems the judge agrees as well. On Friday he instructed the jury that they no longer had the option of finding Hotz not guilty by reason of insanity. They should be deliberating as we speak and can find him guilty of anything from first degree murder to manslaughter.
I’m not sure how good of an idea it is to try and find spiritual truths when tripping. I’m not saying God won’t speak to us when we’re high, I’ve written some pretty good songs when I was stoned, but I think you need to be on a firm footing in your faith. There is a spiritual battle that wages in the life of a believer. If you’re not strong in you’re understanding evil can also use your trip to twist the truth. Hotz was quoted as saying that he felt an evil sensation. I’m no expert, I’m just here to share and try to make some sense of this. I do want to apologize for all the professing Christians who have a self serving agenda or think they are better than someone. This is not what Christ is about. Though seemingly the minority, there are true disciples out there seeking only to fulfill thier God given calling and make a positive difference. It’s an awesome journey, I assure you ~peace
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11418945 - 11/09/09 12:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can bet that he had mental issues before the episode and the mushrooms were just a catalyst to bring them out. IMO an insanity plea sounds quite reasonable. It's not as if they are trying to plead that it was temporary insanity (the way it sounds) and that he should be released right away. I doubt that putting him in prison would change him for the better if he does have delusions that could have caused the problem. If you believe in an eye for an eye then call for his eye, but if you believe in rehabilitation then call for the appropriate rehabilitation.
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- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: vermoholic]
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OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, for those of you who are growers out there, this can call into question the ethics of your hobby, especially if you are distributing in some way. What if that eighth was produced by a shroomery member? I wouldn't be surprised.
what are you babbling about? there are millions of different types of people and millions of different things effect thwem in millions of different ways.
do you know almost more people died from swine flu vaccine than from the swine flu itself? do you know over 400 people per year in the US die from penicillin allergies? does that ignore the millions of lives it saved? your way of thinking is limited.
how about alcohol that is available at every store? who takes the blame for the "questionable ethics" as you say in that?
# 5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.
# 30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.
# 40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.
# 45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.
# 60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.
mushrooms probably take up like 0.0001 % of all that. and when that tiny % happens, "serious" world goes bananas. meditate on that.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11420086 - 11/09/09 03:13 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hotz guilty of second degree murder, five other counts
By KERRI REMPP, Record staff writer
The jury in the murder trial of Joseph Hotz returned six guilty verdicts and two not guilty verdicts at 2 p.m. Monday. Hotz was found guilty of the second degree murder of Kenny Pfeiffer, Jr., the second degree attempted murder of Rolland Sayer, making terroristic threats, and three counts of use of a deadly weapon to commit a felony.
He was found not guilty of attempted robbery and one count of use of a weapon to commit a felony.
Pfeiffer’s mother, Billie, shed tears as the verdicts were read and made quick phone calls to her daughter and ex-husband, Kenneth Sr., to share the news. Relief started flooding her body, she said, as the initial guilty verdicts were read. While she trusted the system, she said she and her family were nervous about the outcome because it happened in a small community and so many people know the Hotz family and even the jury members.
“We felt like a lot of things were stacked against us,” she said.
The trial, which began with jury selection Nov. 2 and testimony Nov. 3, lasted until 3 p.m. Friday, when the jury began its deliberations. They recessed for the weekend and resumed Monday morning. The wait over the weekend was difficult, Ms. Pfeiffer said.
The family and friends who came to support them had to keep reminding themselves that there were a lot of charges to go through. They spent their lunch Monday reviewing statutes, trying to figure out what verdicts might be returned.
“I’m just glad that it’s over today, and it’s done,” she said, passing on thanks to her son’s best friend, Jon Quinn, who traveled from Florida to be on hand for the trial, and to her friends Chick Big Crow and Bonnie Holy Rock. Ms. Pfeiffer said she wasn’t able to bear sitting in for most of the trial, but her friends and Quinn were able to keep her informed. They were also able to shield her from the details she says she still doesn’t want to think about.
“Knowing what he went through devastated us,” she said, referring to herself and her son’s father. “I was originally not going to come because I couldn’t bear to be in the same room with Joey.”
Ms. Pfeiffer opened testimony in the case, talking about her son and how he lived with her for a time before enrolling at Chadron State College. She avoided most of the rest of the trial, sitting in only for the testimony be the defense’s expert witness. With the ordeal behind her, she can now remember “Little Kenny” as he was – the center of their family’s universe, a man with a beautiful smile and laugh.
“He made friends so easily. He liked everyone he met,” she said. The family was proud that he was studying to become a teacher and coach, and his place at CSC gave her a chance to help him with schoolwork over the phone and form a deeper bond with her son, Ms. Pfeiffer said.
“He was my son but he was my friend, too.”
Hotz, 26, was charged with first degree murder and first degree attempted murder, as well as the related weapons and terroristic threats charges, but the jury had instructions to consider second degree charges and manslaughter if they believed the state had not met its burden of proof for the higher premeditated charges.
“Though nothing will bring Mr. Pfeiffer back, we believe justice has been served,” said Dawes County Attorney Vance Haug after the verdicts were issued. “The State respects the jury’s verdict. It was a lengthy and difficult trial with a lot of evidence to absorb.” Testimony and evidence presented during the trial showed two roommates who were friends and apparently got along well. Pfeiffer and Hotz both had psilocybin mushrooms and marijuana in their bodies, as evidenced by toxicology reports and Hotz’s own statements to police. The defense contended throughout the week that the mushrooms caused Hotz to enter a drug-induced psychosis and delirium, and attorney Jeff Pickens said those two conditions amounted to not guilty by reason of insanity. Judge Brian Silverman, however, refused to allow the defense’s expert witness to tell the jury if Hotz could tell the difference between right and wrong at the time of Pfeiffer’s death and the attack on Sayer. He also refused to let the jury consider a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict.
That left the jury with the responsibility of finding Hotz either guilty or not guilty based on intent and whether or not they believed Hotz had consumed enough of the drugs to be incapable of forming intent to commit the crimes.
Haug said he was not surprised by the judge’s decision on the insanity verdict.
“It’s always been the State’s theory that this wasn’t an insanity case. Mr. Hotz was not and is not insane,” he said.
Assistant Attorney General Doug Warner argued in his closing that voluntary intoxication should not negate a guilty verdict, pointing out that Hotz had taken the drugs before and knew they could make him paranoid. Hotz’s attorneys claimed their client was convinced his roommate wanted to kill him, saying he hallucinated hearing people outside of the home tapping on the windows and believed so vehemently in the plot to kill him that when he left the home on Shelton Street he did so by breaking through a double-paned sliding patio door instead of simply opening one of the doors to the home.
Both Susan Jensen and Rolland Sayer, who came into contact with Hotz after the altercation with Pfeiffer, testified Hotz did not appear “normal” or “in his right mind.” After Hotz was arrested, he was kept in a patrol car while officers investigated the events of the evening for approximately two hours. The in-car recordings from that time period depict Hotz as bouncing back and forth from relative calm and silence to periods of intense screaming, where he called for family members, friends and begged for God’s mercy. He often corrected dispatchers when they said the incorrect address for his home at 935 Shelton, rattled off his birthday and listed names of family and their relation to him.
While the verdicts were read in open court, Hotz sat quietly with his hands folded in front of him. He will be sentenced Jan. 12, 2010, at 1:30 p.m. Haug said the second degree murder charge carries a sentence of 20 years to life, while the second degree attempted murder has a maximum of 50 years. The three weapons charges each carry a maximum of 20 years as well, and the terroristic threat charge has a maximum of five years. Haug said each of the weapons charges also comes with an automatic consecutive sentence, meaning that sentence must be served after the sentence for its related charge.
Pickens said the defense will file a motion for a new trial within 10 days. Should that be overruled, they will file an appeal.
The exclusion of the insanity defense devastated Pickens and Dawes County Public Defender Paul Wess, Pickens said when asked about that element of the trial by The Chadron Record.
“We had based our entire strategy on a defense that wasn’t available to the jury,” he said. The ruling by the judge took him by surprise. Prosecutors had requested that the defense’s expert witness not be allowed to testify on insanity, but Judge Silverman had advised all attorneys involved in early October that he would allow the witness to testify on the elements of insanity.
“Judges have the right to reverse their rulings on motions,” Pickens explained, but Hotz’s defense relied largely on the idea that the jury would have the insanity defense to consider.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
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Why on earth did they remove the possibility of an insanity plea? I blame the prison industrial complex. I've heard of at least 2 cases where I lived and people got sent to psych on insanity pleas where drugs influenced their thinking and I'm not even sure they were on them at the time. I wonder how this would have went if he did this while drunk.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Murder defendant was high on hallucinogenic mushrooms....[NE] [Re: Peacefuel]
#11778473 - 01/06/10 04:48 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Verdict is due in less than 6 days, Tuesday 12th Jan. Keep us posted.
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Be joyful. This could be the only chance you get.
All of the above posts are the fevered imaginings of a deluded mind, itself entirely the fictional creation of a somewhat peculiar author with a bizarre sense of humour.
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