|
 Poid
deBunker
 
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area 
|
 Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Redstorm]
#11353129 - 10/30/09 03:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Redstorm said:
Quote:
You voted "No", didn't you?
I didn't vote...
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
explosiveoxygen
Prophet of TGMM
Registered: 07/10/09
Posts: 1,250
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Poid]
#11353158 - 10/30/09 03:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Seems the Government protects ourselves from ourselves in many instances.
--------------------
The Great Mycelium (TGMM) is more than you and me, we are all part of One.
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: explosiveoxygen]
#11353186 - 10/30/09 03:46 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I believe the government's fundamental duty is to protect individual's from other individuals; it's basically about making sure we are safe from each other.
Of course, though, humans will always want as much freedom as possible! 
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
Edited by Poid (11/13/09 03:38 PM)
|
Prisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 152,650
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: zappaisgod]
#11354737 - 10/30/09 08:36 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said:
I actually agree with the lad. The government's role is to protect us from each other ("each other" occasionally being murderers rapists thieves etc.). It is not the government's role to protect us from ourselves.
they're doing a shitty job of protecting the people, I dont have a
publicly funded security detail following me everywhere to ensure I dont
get robbed, raped and murdered, millions of dead rape victims might want
to inquire about a refund since government hasnt done their job
--------------------
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11357157 - 10/31/09 11:06 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
I feel like there are a lot of random murderers and serial killers in somewhere the midst of the USA's populace; the government needs spend most of its efforts to eradicate these kind of people, IMO, or else said government needs to be reformed in a timely manner.
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
Edited by Poid (02/16/10 06:40 PM)
|
 Mr.Al
Alphabet soup
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 3,518
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Poid]
#11361541 - 11/01/09 08:05 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
I feel like there are a lot of random murderers and serial killers in somewhere in the midst of the USA's populace; the government needs spend most of its efforts to eradicate these kind of people, IMO, or else said government needs to be reformed in a timely manner.
That is pretty idiotic given that government is what does the most murdering of all.
You want government to have a monopoly on murder.
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Mr.Al]
#11362667 - 11/01/09 12:24 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
You want government to have a monopoly on murder.
I want government to prevent murder from ever occurring, by any means necessary. 
Edited by Poid (11/02/09 09:36 AM)
|
meatcakeman
the search for bodhisattva
Registered: 07/03/07
Posts: 8,279
Loc: el sol
Last seen: 5 days, 22 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Redstorm]
#11367078 - 11/02/09 02:00 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Redstorm said:
Quote:
meatcakeman said:
Quote:
Yrat said:
the original intent of the US government was to defend the inalienable rights of its citizens: you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't interfere with someone else's right to do whatever the fuck they want. this purpose has been lost, and now we are left with:
Quote:
meatcakeman said:
The purpose of the Government is to protect the Government, advance the Government, and prolong the Government.
Yes, all thanks to our aggressively free form of capitalism. Free enterprise in its purest form is impossible because it is unsustainable. But we're slowly getting there..
This does not follow. Please reason it out for us rather than just post the first thing that comes to your mind.
Thank you.
I think it's pretty straight forward. Think of Carnegie. Think of the rights of corporations; then and now.
--------------------
大开眼界
Hasta siempre, comandante.
|
meatcakeman
the search for bodhisattva
Registered: 07/03/07
Posts: 8,279
Loc: el sol
Last seen: 5 days, 22 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Poid]
#11367083 - 11/02/09 02:01 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
You want government to have a monopoly on murder.
I want government to [prevent murder from ever occurring, by any means necessary.
By any means? Does that include murder?
--------------------
大开眼界
Hasta siempre, comandante.
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: meatcakeman]
#11368212 - 11/02/09 09:41 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
meatcakeman said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
You want government to have a monopoly on murder.
I want government to [prevent murder from ever occurring, by any means necessary.
By any means? Does that include murder?
So do you not believe in the death penalty??? 
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Mr.Al
Alphabet soup
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 3,518
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Poid]
#11370129 - 11/02/09 02:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Again, you are not looking at the fact that government murders far more than serial killers or other dregs of society.
Government is capable of, and has participated in already, mass murder on scales that are difficult to conceptualize.
Yet, you want Big Brother government to "protect you".
Man up and learn how to protect yourself instead of seeing the godless state as the answer to your own personal weakness.
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Mr.Al]
#11370205 - 11/02/09 02:27 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Again, you are not looking at the fact that government murders far more than serial killers or other dregs of society.
What makes you think that I am unaware of this fact?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Government is capable of, and has participated in already, mass murder on scales that are difficult to conceptualize.
Can you give us some specific supporting examples, please?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Yet, you want Big Brother government to "protect you".
If "Big Brother" is even existing, what I want is him to protect me from all the crazies in this world.
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Man up and learn how to protect yourself instead of seeing the godless state as the answer to your own personal weakness.
If I had one of these, I'd be set! 
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Mr.Al
Alphabet soup
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 3,518
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Poid]
#11370245 - 11/02/09 02:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Dick Cheney...
All of those people have been responsible for the death of millions.
Remember also that the people usually do not want to go to war. It is government that makes that decision and cares not how many become cannon fodder.
Big Brother is a reference to 1984, that should be have been essential reading for you in grade school.
Get caught up on that. The movie version is good too.
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Mr.Al]
#11370284 - 11/02/09 02:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Dick Cheney...
All of those people have been responsible for the death of millions.
So what's your point in saying that the "government murders far more than serial killers or other dregs of society."?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Remember also that the people usually do not want to go to war.
Bullshit. 
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
It is government that makes that decision and cares not how many become cannon fodder.
So.....
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Big Brother is a reference to 1984...
I know.
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
The movie version is good too.
So I've heard. 
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Mr.Al
Alphabet soup
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 3,518
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Poid]
#11370440 - 11/02/09 02:57 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
My point is that you want the perpetrator of mass murder to protect you from dangerous people.
People don't want to go to war until something happens that government uses to manipulate the masses...
Recall the sinking of the Lusitania prior to America's involvement in WWI?
The Germans put some ads in American papers telling civilians not to ride the Lusitania, because they said they would sink it if it made it's voyage.
WWII American intelligence had intercepted messages from Japanese Admiral Yamamoto's fleet regarding the Pearl Harbor attack. We had plenty of warning, but made no preparations.
Remember the Gulf of Tonkin attack that brought us into Vietnam? Turns out that was a false flag attack...
What I am telling you is that government is far less trustworthy than the population. You would do well to be more concerned about the government than random serial killers.
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Mr.Al]
#11370481 - 11/02/09 03:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
My point is that you want the perpetrator of mass murder to protect you from dangerous people.
The government isn't necessarily a "perpetrator of mass murder".
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
People don't want to go to war until something happens that government uses to manipulate the masses...
This may be the case sometimes, but are you suggesting that there is never a legitimate cause for war?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
What I am telling you is that government is far less trustworthy than the population.
Why are you telling me things I already know?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
You would do well to be more concerned about the government than random serial killers.
No, I personally wouldn't, and you don't know enough about my personal situation to make that statement with any sort of confidence.
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Redstorm
Prince of Bugs
Registered: 10/08/02
Posts: 44,162
Loc: [life]now[/life]
Last seen: 6 months, 12 days
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Mr.Al]
#11370483 - 11/02/09 03:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Why do you use "godless" as if it was an insult?
|
Mr.Al
Alphabet soup
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 3,518
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Redstorm]
#11370554 - 11/02/09 03:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Redstorm said:
Why do you use "godless" as if it was an insult?
Government does NOT like the idea of something more powerful than itself.
That is why even politicians who like to appear on camera in churches are people I think of as "godless".
It is the humility lacking inside of them that I take offense to.
Government starts with the doctrine that man will do the wrong thing unless he is threatened with punishment.
Funny thing is that government itself appears to project it's own shortcomings upon the populace that it governs...
Simply put, personal development is doing the right thing without fear of punishment or hope for reward.
|
Poid
deBunker
Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,361
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Mr.Al]
#11370591 - 11/02/09 03:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Government does NOT like the idea of something more powerful than itself.
Proof?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
That is why even politicians who like to appear on camera in churches are people I think of as "godless".
If you say so...
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Government starts with the doctrine that man will do the wrong thing unless he is threatened with punishment.
Can you provide us with a link for this "doctrine"?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Funny thing is that government itself appears to project it's own shortcomings upon the populace that it governs...
How so?
Quote:
Mr.Al said:
Simply put, personal development is doing the right thing without fear of punishment or hope for reward.
What is the "right thing"?
--------------------
Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Mr.Al
Alphabet soup
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 3,518
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours
|
Re: I Believe the Government's Fundamental Role is to Protect Ourselves From Each Other [Re: Poid]
#11370647 - 11/02/09 03:21 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
|
|
Your conscience is the internal compass that can clue you in to the right thing.
It is pretty obvious that government is growing out of control. It is a power hunger leviathan that cares not for people's inalienable rights. Hence again, government is godless. Disrespecting inalienable rights is certainly godless behavior.
Government does not have that internal compass that individual people have. It projects it's dangerous lack of discernment regarding right from wrong onto the populace.
My position is that government needs to be controlled, not the people.
|
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
Shop for: 
Edit 
Reply 
