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 zorbman
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 Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11357987 - 10/31/09 01:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I support certain military operations if they are carefully considered (achievable goals, no mission creep, etc.) and we can afford it. We haven't done it that way in a long time. These missions seem almost deliberately designed to be perpetual probably due to the large profits generated in certain quarters.
I understand why we had to initially invade Afghanistan because the terrorists who attacked us were based in that country. Any president who didn't do so after 9/11 would probably have been drummed out of office. But we cannot stay there forever. And we can no longer afford it. The Taliban is an evil group but they aren't Al Qaeda- those who attacked us. No, that group is an amorphous entity spread out over many countries- it doesn't lend itself to a conventional war.
If the economy continues to worsen as I think it will then we will be forced to pull out anyway. As I see it we have two choices: we can do it now in an orderly fashion or let circumstances force our hand. I think the former is the best option- pull most of the troops and continue using drones and special ops teams when targets present themselves.
As for Rome, at one time it was a republic until loose fiscal policy and imperial overstretch killed it. The process took centuries in their case but our experience seems to be more compressed.
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Men occasionally stumble over the truth but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill
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 kadakuda
The Great"Green".......East
Registered: 05/21/04
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Loc: Asia
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zorbman]
#11360648 - 10/31/09 11:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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As for having a bunch of wars we never won, we could have won every war after WWII if we chose to. Once again poor leadership, indecisiveness, unwillingness to listen to commanders on the field, and fear by our "leadership" for their political careers doomed many tens of thousands of American soldiers.
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As for not having the organizational skills to handle a war, I would say you are incorrect.
seems like a bit of a contradiction.
my points above are simply, they chose to be there....stop thinking about international/national level. i mean that one soldier felt it necessary to join up and fight. Unless that person is a complete and 100% mental case he/she must realize there is possibility going over there fighting, perhaps a good chance. maybe their intentions were noble, maybe not...who knows. what we do know is that americans are free and are able to choose.
and if people were not defending their land they would not be fighting back. no doubt there are monsters over there doing bad things, no arguments. monsters fighting monsters, and people are getting caught in between....which quite often turns them into monsters as well after seeing what happens to their loved ones....whether the new monsters decide to fight for the whites or the browns seems to dictate how the west labels them: terrorists or heroes. i am not arguing that UN, USA and other countries in wars do not do some good, but with the US and iraq/afghanistan i would never think of the word peace keeper either...
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I see that it states that you are from Asia, is that why you seem to have something against the United States? Is it because the last time we actually used our military forces appropriately the Asians were involved? It seems Ironic that an Asian would post what you said on the shroomery, as I believe your yellow skinned, wretched brethren met their untimely, yet well deserved deaths at the receiving end of our mushroom clouds. Apparently your grandmothers ovaries were forever detrimentally changed by the mutagenic qualities of the ionizing radiation from the aforementioned "little boy" bomb. It's quite obvious the mutation had a transgenertional effect, as your cognitive abilities must have been stunted inutero.
i generally ignore red neck americans that think the rest of the world is a poor case they need to shoot until its fixed...but perhaps i should mention i am probabyl whiter than you and am from canada. I am here because the standards are *better* than canada (which is already better than the states), as well as the money is far better. so you can keep insulting an entire continent that frankly in general is far more morally sound than you could ever dream of, but there is really no point....especially complaining about a white mans "Asian" grandmothers ovaries getting mutated with chemicals your country dropped over some country i have never been to.
to be honest, you seem rather proud about fucking up other countries, and its folks like you that keep these messes going round and round.
your soldiers chose to be there. people living in those countries your helping don't usually choose to fight. sure they have rebels, gangs warlords....but they all seem to be just a little more animalsitic than yourselves.
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zorbman
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: kadakuda]
#11360740 - 11/01/09 12:47 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never said anything of the sort.
This is the second time someone has quoted me incorrectly in this thread.
Guys, lay off the drugs. Seriously. 
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Men occasionally stumble over the truth but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill
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kadakuda
The Great"Green".......East
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zorbman]
#11361907 - 11/01/09 09:49 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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quick reply, at least we are using quotes 
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luvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?
Registered: 11/29/01
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: kadakuda]
#11362981 - 11/01/09 01:17 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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kadakuda said:
quick reply, at least we are using quotes
Then perhaps you should figure out how to use it correctly. It's not that difficult.
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Thomas Sowell
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PookztA
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#11394172 - 11/05/09 08:12 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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i just wanted to say FUCK Dick Cheney. he is a bitch, and now that he is back on the Council of Foreign Relations, he is once again actively playing a role in formulating USA Foreign Policy.
FUCK YOU Dick Cheney.
that is all.
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Abrahm
Spreading Psytrance & Love in the Midwest USA
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Redstorm
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: PookztA]
#11396462 - 11/06/09 07:31 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is he back on the CFR? Do you have a link for that?
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PookztA
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Redstorm]
#11406089 - 11/07/09 03:29 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh wait, i guess the video i had seen was old and i misunderstood it. i dont think he is on the CFR anymore. sorry. still, fuck that guy 
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Spreading Psytrance & Love in the Midwest USA
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