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 Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Redstorm]
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I'm mostly asking for it because it isn't true.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11323297 - 10/26/09 08:59 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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anybody here doing anythign about it?
after waht we saw with the bush admin fo r8 years, which was pretty damn horrible, hitler horrible minus teh world war. seems as though it has not really seriously pissed off you Americans enough, and if Obama is doing such a shit job, why aren't people changing things?
People are too easy going now a days, event eh big mouths are shut up as soon as there is a small threat of loosing something. If so many people dislike Obama, why is there nothing being done? elections are not the only call for ordinance.
this is probabyl the same reason drugs are ever so popular, i know i am guilty.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: kadakuda]
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I support both wars. They have produced net positive effects for world peace and human rights.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11325080 - 10/26/09 01:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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war is peace! freedom is slavery!
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Yrat]
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Do you know what "net" means? Perhaps you also have a problem with cops when they get into shootouts with bank robbers.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11329682 - 10/27/09 03:34 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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He was but he also tied their hands behind their backs. He sent in tons of troops and then wouldn't let them fight properly. Half measures which got a lot of soldiers killed.
I think this could be said for nearly every president. I think Obama is taking plays from Johnson's book. First you have to disregard all the intel from your field commanders, you know the ones that are actually involved in the combat. I believe Obama said he was "skeptical" of the reports from McCrystal. The general stated he had only spoken with Obama once since being placed in charge and reiterated the need for additional ground troops. I guess with Obamas vast wealth of knowledge of military tactics, and real world experience in the armed forces he had the right to be skeptical. WTF? Who in his cabinet has the knowledge, skills, or ability to conduct this war? No one.
Johnson also hand picked the targets that aviators were to bomb. Yes this guy in Washington was ordering the exact buildings that were allowed to be bombed. Even when the pilots could see SAM'S being offloaded from ships, or being transported to anti aircraft sites, they were not allowed to fire at or destroy them.
He was afraid of communist/Chinese/Russian involvement in the war. Too late, he knew they were already there and the airmen got to watch the missiles which could eventually kill them being delivered. Of course small arms were also being shipped to their infantry, used to kill American soldiers, and the pilots were not allowed to intervene. Most certainly the lives of many American soldiers were lost due to this.
The same could be said for both Bush and congress in general. How long did it take them to send the MRAPS to Iraq? While they "dithered" many soldiers were maimed and killed. Do you believe that the mosque that Al-Sadr was holed up in was the only one that marines could not fire on? Even when taking fire from hostiles we were not able to return fire for fear it would enrage the enemy. They were already trying to kill us, how much more angry could we possibly make them. And yes many were shot by sniper fire coming from mosques.
How many Americans had to die, in a failed attempt to win the hearts and minds?
How about when complaints came out concerning our poorly equipped soldiers? Rumsfeld stated you don't go to war with the army you want, you go with the one you have. Really? Well asshole this was a preemptive war, of course you could go with the one you wanted.
All of this is due to political repercussions taking precedence over the lives of soldiers. Of course Obama isn't pondering which decisive action or strategy to commit to he is worried about the polls. So we send more undermanned troops to engage the enemy and watch them die as he also contemplates the politics of this war. If he is so concerned about the American GI then why did he attempt to force our soldiers to pay for their own treatment to injuries incurred while in battle. Yes they wanted our own soldiers to pay for their health care, yet illegals can get it for free. I love this country's leaders.
Actually Obama reminds me of Ken Aspin and Colin Powell. Both feared a political backlash if they were to listen to their commanders. The field commanders stated they needed AC-130 gunships, tanks, and armored vehicles. All of which were denied. Powell was afraid that if they were used then it "wouldn't be the greatest imagery on CNN" If you've ever seen the movie blackhawk down and wondered why our soldiers were not in armored vehicles/tanks, had no close air support, and were slaughtered and dragged through the streets, thank Powell. Of course while they ponder the political repercussions of taking action, real men die. Don't worry though they'll be safe in Washington. Of course later he stated he "didn't recall" denying the troops the hardware necessary for them to conduct their mission in a manner deemed necessary by their commanders.
Kinda like Deja vu all over again.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11329735 - 10/27/09 04:11 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you know what "net" means? Perhaps you also have a problem with cops when they get into shootouts with bank robbers.
no, i have a problem when they raid the wrong house, without a warrant, and shoot grandma dead.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Therian]
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I was under the impression that armored vehicles were not used during the operation seen in Blackhawk Down because of the nature of the operation (in and out quickly) and the terrain of the city?
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Yrat]
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Do you know what "net" means? Perhaps you also have a problem with cops when they get into shootouts with bank robbers.
no, i have a problem when they raid the wrong house, without a warrant, and shoot grandma dead.
I do too.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Redstorm]
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I was under the impression that armored vehicles were not used during the operation seen in Blackhawk Down because of the nature of the operation (in and out quickly) and the terrain of the city?
Not even close. Both Gen. Downing and Gen. Montgomery asked for the equipment several times. It was what is known as the "force package". Their soldiers trained with this equipment and were intended to have access to it. In the military it is said that you fight as you train.
After the Pakistanis were killed by Aidid the nature of the mission changed completely. The U.S. caved to pressure from the UN, our politicians refused to allow the soldiers access to the requested armor and consequently, the bodies of soldiers were dragged through the streets, naked and burned.
So while those in Washington worry about opinion polls,posturing, and their careers before the lives of our soldiers, this will continue to happen. You know, don't listen to those that are actually there fighting the battles, remain "skeptical" of what the generals tell you, speak with them only once, have the audacity to say you are concerned about the troops, and dither on.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do you know what "net" means? Perhaps you also have a problem with cops when they get into shootouts with bank robbers.
no, i have a problem when they raid the wrong house, without a warrant, and shoot grandma dead.
I do too.
so then you're against the war in iraq?
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Yrat]
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Do you know what "net" means? Perhaps you also have a problem with cops when they get into shootouts with bank robbers.
no, i have a problem when they raid the wrong house, without a warrant, and shoot grandma dead.
I do too.
so then you're against the war in iraq?
You mean it was a different country that was in violation of all those UN resolutions?
Well, what a surprise!
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#11336844 - 10/28/09 07:09 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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UN resolutions, cease fire agreement, Marquess of Queensbury, Hoyle. He was in violation of everything.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11345391 - 10/29/09 12:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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After the Pakistanis were killed by Aidid the nature of the mission changed completely. The U.S. caved to pressure from the UN, our politicians refused to allow the soldiers access to the requested armor and consequently, the bodies of soldiers were dragged through the streets, naked and burned.
sucks loosing sometimes, doesn't it?
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: kadakuda]
#11345408 - 10/29/09 12:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Especially when the only reason for it as a failure of will by the commander. You seem to be happy about it, yourself. Tell me how wonderful it is in Mogadishu today. I'd love to hear your first person account.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11351785 - 10/30/09 11:55 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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indeed, i am smiling and buying fire works as we celebrate to show my incredible sincere joy of hearing how many people are beaten, raped, tortured and dragged down streets. nothing gets my jollies going like seeing corpses shredded apart behind a ford at 30 mph 
seriously though man. whether we agree with the war or not, these people (talking about americans anyway) chose to be in another country fighting the people who live there....they should be ready for the worst case scenario....and when you are in another persons house, without welcome and killing them, perhaps the worst should not only be prepared for, but expected. how many americans protect their house with guns, and have have the legal right to defend their home with deadly force....i see no difference. the torture and disgusting acts, both ways, are uncalled for i agree. buts its war, nothing is fair about war, its just retards against retards doing things people really should not do to each other, takes 2 sides to fight.
although i feel bad for anyone put in such misery, one can only feel so bad when they knowingly put themselves in that danger.
i wonder though. The US seems to have a bunch of wars that they never won. is it that they have some other agenda they are calling a victory, or is the US just so awful at organizing things that they cannot win a war, just cause a bunch of chaos and hard feelings? all i can say is if they are going to start wars, at least be able to finish them or find another way of accomplishing things, so far there have been a lot of failures and dead people....and its not right to either side. honestly, i dont get why even the pro war people can stand how the gov handles this shit.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zappaisgod]
#11355535 - 10/31/09 12:02 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I support both wars. They have produced net positive effects for world peace and human rights.
Keep on spending us into oblivion, you humanitarian you.
Have you heard anything about an economic crisis in this country during the last year?
Between democratic party spending for social services and the republican party spending for their latest neocon death-cult adventure these bastards are going to bankrupt the nation.
The American people desperately needs its representatives to tighten its goddamn belt instead of spending more money we don't fucking have!
Is there ANY fiscal sanity whatsoever left in this nation???
Bread and bailout circuses all around and not a sane leader in sight.
It's Rome redux.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zorbman]
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whether we agree with the war or not, these people (talking about Americans anyway) chose to be in another country fighting the people who live there....they should be ready for the worst case scenario....and when you are in another persons house, without welcome and killing them, perhaps the worst should not only be prepared for, but expected. how many Americans protect their house with guns, and have have the legal right to defend their home with deadly force....i see no difference. the torture and disgusting acts, both ways, are uncalled for i agree. buts its war, nothing is fair about war, its just retards against retards doing things people really should not do to each other, takes 2 sides to fight.
You are so misinformed it is difficult to even know where to begin with you. The Americans did not choose to fight with people in their houses. The Americans were part of a U.N. peace keeping force. Their so called leader took over the government in a coup, was responsible for the deaths of many hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen. He kept food and medical supplies from his own people. When Aidids personal army called a cease fire with other factions, part of the truce agreement was to have the U.N. oversee the cessation of fighting as well as provide humanitarian assistance.
Not only were they "welcomed" they were specifically asked for. It was only after the food and medicine was being taken by warlords, U.N. members were beaten, and finally 24 Pakistani peacekeepers were murdered by Aidid did the INTERNATIONAL community find it necessary to have military forces aid with the humanitarian efforts. The people were not protecting their houses with their guns, we were giving them food and medical supplies. I suppose the U.N. is supposed to stand by while a self proclaimed warlord steals from the impoverished and murders its members.
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sucks loosing sometimes, doesn't it?
Actually we didn't loose. The point I was previously attempting to make was that whether it be the commander in chief, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, or the Sec. of Defense. They all put politics before the lives of their soldiers. Powell didn't want to send armor in due to the political ramifications of CNN posting pictures of destroyed buildings. What he got instead was pictures of burned corpses being spit on, posted by CNN. If the asshole was more concerned about the lives of his soldiers than some preconceived notion of the political backlash of using armor, this would not have happened. I would say he lost the gamble in a big way, and the pictures that came out were far worse than that of a destroyed building. Like I said, its fine for him, as he had no skin in the game and wasn't be shot at.
As for having a bunch of wars we never won, we could have won every war after WWII if we chose to. Once again poor leadership, indecisiveness, unwillingness to listen to commanders on the field, and fear by our "leadership" for their political careers doomed many tens of thousands of American soldiers.
I see that it states that you are from Asia, is that why you seem to have something against the United States? Is it because the last time we actually used our military forces appropriately the Asians were involved? It seems Ironic that an Asian would post what you said on the shroomery, as I believe your yellow skinned, wretched brethren met their untimely, yet well deserved deaths at the receiving end of our mushroom clouds. Apparently your grandmothers ovaries were forever detrimentally changed by the mutagenic qualities of the ionizing radiation from the aforementioned "little boy" bomb. It's quite obvious the mutation had a transgenertional effect, as your cognitive abilities must have been stunted inutero.
As for not having the organizational skills to handle a war, I would say you are incorrect. Much of our problem comes from exhibiting too much restraint. This only emboldens the enemy. Can you imagine if there were hundreds of Jap soldiers in Mt. Suribachi all with bombs and firearms, shooting at our soldiers. Do you honestly believe MacArthur would have said don't shoot back we don't want to anger them. First and foremost we must win their hearts and minds. All the while our soldiers are being shot at of course.
What you Asians don't understand is that we Americans actually go out of our way to help others, such as in Somalia. We also have to fight our own wars, whereas you Asians can simply call in Godzilla to fight the wars for you. Perhaps you could have him distribute your SARS virus to your enemies. We have also done much for the Asians, as a matter of fact I think we've saved more prepubescent Taiwanese boys than you've slept with.
I wouldn't really begrudge the American GI if I were you, as it is well documented that the only thing Asian women like to receive from the American soldiers more than chocolate, is American penis of course. You may very well be the bastard child progeny of a union between a rice burning, syphilis infected, paddy princess prostitute, and an American soldier. Ooh meee so Hooohney, me love you longtime.
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: zorbman]
#11357521 - 10/31/09 12:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I support both wars. They have produced net positive effects for world peace and human rights.
Keep on spending us into oblivion, you humanitarian you.
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Have you heard anything about an economic crisis in this country during the last year?
How long have we been there? Was it just last year? Perhaps you think that the bank problems were due to the wars. That would be the first time I heard that idea floated.Quote:
Between democratic party spending for social services and the republican party spending for their latest neocon death-cult adventure these bastards are going to bankrupt the nation.
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The American people desperately needs its representatives to tighten its goddamn belt instead of spending more money we don't fucking have!
Is there ANY fiscal sanity whatsoever left in this nation???
Bread and bailout circuses all around and not a sane leader in sight.
It's Rome redux.
It isn't Rome. Rome wasn't a democracy. It's Athens:
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At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
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Re: Cheney urges escalation of Afghanistan war by calling Obama a pussy [Re: Therian]
#11357735 - 10/31/09 12:52 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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None of what you are replying to was written by me.
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