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I'm not Muslim, christian or Jewish,  but i believe some things from each religion as well as others.

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I think churches have taken some religion too far and people have twisted it for personal gain.

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I'm pretty much just playing "devil's advocate" showing the other side of the coin.

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it's strange how so many so called conservatives are so liberal when it comes to warfare.

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the purpose of this thread was to get insight into people's opinions.

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personally i think both sides commit atrocities and that America should have no part in it.  separation of church from state right?

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why are non-abramic people being sucked into the mess by the government when there's supposed to be religious freedom?

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The Jews played a part in the process of sucking America into that,  and that could be considered an attack of other sorts.  political and economic "warfare" are just as dangerous and a full frontal assault,  only  it more easily flies under the radar.

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I don't know why Muslims, Jews, Christians, atheists, orangutans, who the heck ever cant just share Jerusalem and the world in peace and harmony. why do people have to be genocidal maniacs? like its us vs. them and the earth is running out of space.

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> I have yet to see one of you offer a viable solution

I had an excellent solution, and the only solution that I see working... bulldoze the entire area and salt the land making it worthless for everybody.

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Both sides hate each other.  Both sides feel entitled to the land.  Neither side is willing to give up their struggle for the land.  Other players in the area can use the struggle as a rally cry for their own benefit, thus they have no reason to want to see peace.  With such a stacked deck, do you really believe that there is a non-violent solution that will lead to peace?

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Here's a non-violent solution.  Murdering lunatics leave the Israelis alone in their tiny little oil-free desert.  I can assure one and all that if there are no more attacks against Israel then there will be no more attacks from Israel.  Is there one fool among you who believes the opposite?

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Why does the USA support Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime?

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They had to be dealt with because they spilled the blood of my fellow country men. I never had any interest in going to that shit hole desert until my hand was forced.

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Your lists are comical... as if one dozens of times as long couldn't be made for (Arab and/or Muslim) civilians killed by the U.S. & it's colonial extension, Israel, over the past several decades.

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To reveal the irrefutable point about U.S. opposition in the Arab/Muslim world, why don't you compose a list for me of all the Brazilian citizens killed within Brazil by Muslim militants in that nation's history?

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If the Taliban had agreed to hand over bin Laden, which was certainly in their capacity to do, they would still be in charge of Afghanistan.

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If the Taliban had agreed to hand over bin Laden, which was certainly in their capacity to do, they would still be in charge of Afghanistan.

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the US had the chance to take bin Laden on many occasions, for some reason
the orders were contrary to that goal not to mention there's nothing
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Just what is it that you are saying came from Bush's mouth?  Because, for once since it is very short, I played the video and I have no idea what you are trying to say.  It certainly doesn't say anything about bin Laden not being involved in 9/11.

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As far as I know the only chance we had to get ObL was when Clinton was President but he said at the time there was no legal reason to take him.  Lack of evidence at the time.  Which was several years before 9/11.

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http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

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Just what is it that you are saying came from Bush's mouth?  Because, for once since it is very short, I played the video and I have no idea what you are trying to say.  It certainly doesn't say anything about bin Laden not being involved in 9/11.

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nope but it and a dozen other press conferences show that bin Laden
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As far as I know the only chance we had to get ObL was when Clinton was President but he said at the time there was no legal reason to take him.  Lack of evidence at the time.  Which was several years before 9/11.

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Osama is claimed to have taken the responsibility for the 1993 World
Trade Center Bombing in addition to claiming to be responsible for the
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Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

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JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, VIII:44

    "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews - "

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WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co.

    "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

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This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE TABLE DURING INTERMISSION," at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of 1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.

    "I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews.
    In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.
    For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.
    If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty.
    If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.
    Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.

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JEFFERSON, THOMAS. 18th century American statesman.

    "Dispersed as the Jews are, they still form one nation, foreign to the land they live in. " (D. Boorstin, THE AMERICANS)
    "Those who labor in the earth are the Chosen People of God, if ever he had a chosen people. " (NOTES ON VIRGINIA)

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CHURCHILL, WINSTON. 20th century British politician. In 1920, he wrote a long newspaper article of the recent Bolshevik seizure of Russia. After praising what he called the "national Jews" of Russia, he said:

    "In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish efforts rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire.
    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creating of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistic Jews. It is certainly the very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders... In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astounding. And the prominent if not the principal part in the system of terrorism applied by the extraordinary Commissions for combating Counter Revolution has been take by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many nonJews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing. ("Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People." ILLUSTRATED SUNDAY HERALD, London, February 8, 1920.)

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MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet, page 43

    "But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them."

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MARIA THERESA, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (1771 - 1789)

    "Henceforth no Jew, no matter under what name, will be allowed to remain here without my written permission. I know of no other troublesome pest within the state than this race, which impoverished the people by their fraud, usury and money-lending and commits all deeds which an honorable man despises. Subsequently they have to be removed and excluded from here as much as possible."

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MOHAMMED, in the Koran

    "Whoever is a friend of a Jew, belong to them, becomes one of them, God cannot tolerate this mean people. The Jews have wandered from divine religion. You must not relent in your work which must show up Jewish deceit."

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VLADIMIR, LENIN, Founder of Bolshevik Communist (From an article in Northern Pravda, October-December 1913, qouted in Lenin on the Jewish Question, page 10)

    "There the great universally progressive features of Jewish culture have made themselves clearly felt: its internationalism, its responsiveness of the advanced movements of our times (the percentage of Jews in democratic and proletarian movements is everywhere higher than the percentage of Jews in the general population.)
    ...Those Jewish Marxists who join up in the international Marxist organizations with the Russian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian and other workers, adding their might (both in Russian and in Jewish) to the creation of an international culture of the working class movement, are continuing the best traditions of Jewry."

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HENRY FORD in (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921

    "Jews have always controlled the business... The motion picture influence of the United States and Canada... is exclusively under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators of the public mind."

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GRANT, USYSSES S. 19th century American general, politician. While in command of the 13th Army Corps, headquartered at Oxford, Mississippi, he became so infuriated at Jewish camp-followers attempting to penetrate the conquered territory that he finally attempted to expel the Jews:

    "I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into post commanders, the special regulations of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I been of this that I instructed the commanding officers at Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have frequently had them expelled from the department, but they come in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel anywhere. They will land at any woodyard on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy cotton themselves, they will act as agents for someone else, who will be at military post with a Treasury permit to receive cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy up at an agreed rate, paying gold. (Letters to C. P. Wolcott, assistant secretary of war, Washington, December 17, 1862)
    1. The Jews, as a class, violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department, and also Department orders, are hereby expelled from the Department.
    2. Within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order by Post Commanders, they will see that all of this class of people are furnished with passes and required to leave, and anyone returning after such notification, will be arrested and held in confinement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as prisoners, unless furnished with permits from these headquarters.
    3. No permits will be given these people to visit headquarters for the purpose of making personal application for trade permits.
    By order of Major Gen. Grant Jno. A. Rawlings, Assistant Adjutant General (General Order Number 11, December 17, 1862)


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WELLS, H. G. 20th century British writer.

    "The Jews looked for a special savior, a messiah, who was to redeem mankind by the agreeable process of restoring the fabulous glories of David and Solomon, and bringing the whole world at last under the firm but benevolent Jewish heel." (The Outline of History)
    "Zionism is an expression of Jewish refusal to assimilate. If the Jews have suffered, it is because they have regarded themselves as a chosen people." (The Anatomy of Frustration)
    "A careful study of anti-Semitism prejudice and accusations might be of great value to many Jews, who do not adequately realize the irritations they inflict." (Letter of November 11, 1933)
    Wells was in the habit of referring to KARL MARX as "a shallow third-rate Jew," and "a lousy Jew" in private correspondence. (Norman MacKenzie, H. G. Wells)

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LINDBERGH, CHARLES. 20th century American aviator, writer.
Wednesday, August 23, 1939

    "We are disturbed about the effect of the Jewish influence in our press, radio and motion pictures. It may become very serious. [Fulton] Lewis told us of one instance where the Jewish advertising firms threatened to remove all their advertising from the Mutual system if a certain feature were permitted to go on the air. The threat was powerful enough to have the feature removed."

Thursday, May 1, 1941

    "The pressure for war is high and mounting. The people are opposed to it, but the Administration seems to have 'the bit in its teeth' and is hell-bent on its way to war. Most of the Jewish interests in the country are behind war, and they control a huge part of our press and radio and most of our motion pictures. There are the 'intellectuals' and the 'Anglophiles,' and the British agents who are allowed free rein, the international financial interests, and many others." (The Wartime Journals)

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BONAPARTE, NAPOLEON. French statesman, general.

    "The Jews provided troops for my campaign in Poland, but they ought to reimburse me: I soon found that they are no good for anything but selling old clothes..."
    "Legislating must be put in effect everywhere that the general well-being is in danger. The government cannot look with indifference on the way a despicable nation takes possession of all the provinces of France. The Jews are the master robbers of the modern age; they are the carrion birds of humanity... "They must be treated with political justice, not with civil justice. They are surely not real citizens."
    "The Jews have practiced usury since the time of Moses, and oppressed the other peoples. Meanwhile, the Christians were only rarely usurers, falling into disgrace when they did so. We ought to ban the Jews from commerce because they abuse it... The evils of the Jews do not stem from individuals but from the fundamental nature of this people." (From Napoleon's Reflections, and from speeches before the Council of State on April 30 and May 7, 1806.)
    "Nothing more contemptible could be done than the reception of the Jews by you. I decided to improve the Jews. But I do not want more of them in my kingdom. Indeed, I have done all to prove my scorn of the most vile nation in the world." (Letter to his brother Jerome, King of Westphalia, March 6, 1808)
    (1) Every big and small Jew is the peddling trade must renew his license every year.
    (2) Checks and other obligations are only redeemable if the Jew can prove that he has obtained the money without cheating. (Ordinance of March 17, 1808. Napoleonic Code.)

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What the fuck are you talking about now?  Do you think he didn't do 9/11?  This is a straight yes or no.

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What the fuck are you talking about now?  Do you think he didn't do 9/11?  This is a straight yes or no.

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