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 thetonebone72
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 Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: whoever]
#11294318 - 10/21/09 05:45 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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whoever said:
This was my take, reading either some state or national park rulebook - NOTHING may be removed from the land, but you may bury your shit.
Are you daft, brother? What I am trying to say is it is NOT illegal to remove mushrooms from most government lands. And actually in Washington (as of 2006) it is spelled out pretty damn precisely and the rules are more liberal than in Oregon where the usual max per day is only 1 gallon. I wish Oregon had a similar reference.
ARE WE CLEAR??!!
Non commercial hunting on most federal and state land in OR & WA is a non-issue. Print out these docs and take them with you so if anyone gives you any shit you've got backup.
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imachameleon
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: whoever]
#11294423 - 10/21/09 05:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The man has references. Can't argue with that.
Anywhere you go, they can arrest you for having Psilocybin containing mushrooms on your person, but unless the cop KNOWS they're psilocybin containing, you're probably not going to get into trouble. Like some others have said, having edibles on you is going to help your case a lot. I would claim ignorance if a cop ever stopped me, or just start talking about edible mushrooms. If the cop does recognize yr boomers, You were just trying to spice up your cooking and you accidentally stumbled upon these horrible hallucinogenic drugs. of course, thank you officer for warning me! I might have lost my mind and murdered my family! I can't bear to think of it, why I've never touched drugs in all my life and here I am collecting them unknowingly! (Throws the actives away in disgust, looks horrified).
My question is, how do you measure a gallon of shrooms?
And what kind of edible mushrooms grow in the dune grasses?
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ehtdaedlufetarg
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I was picking P. Silvatica in a Park in PDX when a early 30's Women on a jog stopped and asked me what i was picking. I pulled a latin name out of my butt and said i part of a (fake) Mycological Enthusiasts group and made up a acronym. She picked a mushroom, looked at it, and told me she had taken a bunch of mycology courses at Evergreen and ran off. Her whole "vibe" was suspicious and malicous. Since, after all, i had a bag full of Psilocybes i decided it was a good time to leave and come back another day. 2 minutes of walking later and i look back and a Portland Parks 4-wheeler thing pulls up, lady gets off - looks at mushrooms. About the same time a cop pulled up and parked on the street across from the spot i was picking and stopped for a minute and then rolled off. I think the lady knew what was up but didnt like it.
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whoever
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thetonebone72 said:
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whoever said:
This was my take, reading either some state or national park rulebook - NOTHING may be removed from the land, but you may bury your shit.
Are you daft, brother? What I am trying to say is it is NOT illegal to remove mushrooms from most government lands. And actually in Washington (as of 2006) it is spelled out pretty damn precisely and the rules are more liberal than in Oregon where the usual max per day is only 1 gallon. I wish Oregon had a similar reference.
ARE WE CLEAR??!!
Non commercial hunting on most federal and state land in OR & WA is a non-issue. Print out these docs and take them with you so if anyone gives you any shit you've got backup.
yeah that sounds really legitimate - that's how i like to talk to rangers, other boys in blue, and whoever else we all picked on in high school...
anyway, i'm in GA, i'm not from here, i can't tell a post from a posted, and i'm sick and fucking tired of tracking rules. Everything is illegal here. period. except that you are authorized to bury your shit at some or other specified coordinates
So i'm glad to find myself in the true outdoorsy class, too scared to eat anything, 'take nothing but photos, leave nothing but footprints'.
If I see mushrooms of interest they become a completely clandestine matter, because it's nobody's business unless 'warranted'.
Like somebody else said 'only break one law at a time' if you can help it.
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^^^Like the name says^^^
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thetonebone72 said:
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whoever said:
This was my take, reading either some state or national park rulebook - NOTHING may be removed from the land, but you may bury your shit.
Are you daft, brother? What I am trying to say is it is NOT illegal to remove mushrooms from most government lands. And actually in Washington (as of 2006) it is spelled out pretty damn precisely and the rules are more liberal than in Oregon where the usual max per day is only 1 gallon. I wish Oregon had a similar reference.
ARE WE CLEAR??!!
Non commercial hunting on most federal and state land in OR & WA is a non-issue. Print out these docs and take them with you so if anyone gives you any shit you've got backup.
Maybe I'm missing something, but are we talking 1 gallon of average mushrooms, or 1 gallon of actives?
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: Bipolardox]
#11295260 - 10/21/09 07:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actives aren't legal to possess. Many ranger stations I've been to in OR and WA have fliers that list some of the common edible mushrooms, how much you're allowed to pick, and all the rules. It is definitely not illegal to pick edibles this way.
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whoever
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: whoever]
#11295274 - 10/21/09 07:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here, somebody busted in GA for digging ginseng in the wrong time at the wrong place. Sep 6-12 georgiawildlife.com/documentdetail.aspx?docid=589&pageid=1&category=enforcement - 'possession of illegally taken wildlife'.
I dunno, but I'm not gonna ask the ranger about chanterelle season, because i already know what he'll say.
Actives? what're actives?
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Wilderness managers often need to take action to limit the impacts caused by visitor activities in order to protect the natural conditions of wilderness as required by the Wilderness Act of 1964. Managers typically implement 'indirect' types of actions such as information and education measures before selecting more restrictive measures. When regulations are necessary, they are implemented with the specific intent of balancing the need to preserve the character of the wilderness while providing for the use and enjoyment of wilderness.
The priority for the Forest Service during the 1960's and 1970's was to restore badly eroded lands on the Oconee and restore forest health. During the 1960's construction efforts were undertaken to provide developed recreation areas within 50 miles of every major town. Brasstown Bald Visitor Information Center atop Georgia's highest mountain and Warwomen Dell are examples of areas built as a result of this effort.
The next four decades saw increased environmental legislation that governs management of the national forests to protect environmental quality and insure public involvement in the process. Wilderness areas were preserved, Wild and Scenic Rivers designated, and experts in natural resource management were employed to help meet the challenges. While the way we do things have changed many times over the years, our tradition of stewardship--caring for the land and serving people, is the same.
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whoever
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thetonebone72 said:
Are you daft, brother? What I am trying to say is it is NOT illegal to remove mushrooms from most government lands. And actually in Washington (as of 2006) it is spelled out pretty damn precisely and the rules are more liberal than in Oregon where the usual max per day is only 1 gallon. I wish Oregon had a similar reference.
ARE WE CLEAR??!!
Non commercial hunting on most federal and state land in OR & WA is a non-issue. Print out these docs and take them with you so if anyone gives you any shit you've got backup.
Well, i just looked more into it, federally, and can see you've had a thwack of politics going on over the past decade. Some states have clarified things, i guess mostly western, and placated pickers to some regulated degree or other.
All I can find written by the dummies in GA in particular is "It is unlawful to take nongame wildlife" and I guess if buddy got busted for ginseng then my 'misidentified mushrooms' would invite the same fate.
Edit: Here's a good one for states, but 1993:
wildlifelaw.unm.edu/statbook/intro.html
Georgia, btw, has a strict 'non-consumption' guiding policy; wilderness is preserved so that we may look at it, presumably
guess i'll stick to catch and release until i can tell if i'm on federal land or not
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: whoever]
#11296439 - 10/21/09 10:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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ive noticed most piggys don't even know the latest laws on the norm charges they try n tax - with gyms - ofcourse they are honey mushrooms - id never never never admit to any thing else in pig presence - i highly doubt they would know what i have - and like someone said above - id rambel off scientific names -amarillia mellia (sorry bout spelling) and i guarantee when i start talking scientific style - the pigs would tune me right out
And with fungus - id argue with any authority that its a bullshit rule - my parks specifically say "do not remove any PLANTS or ANIMALS" - they seem to have forgotten fungus in there - i told you i read the rules
And id argue that removing them is actually a way to spread them out of the "protected habitat" and is good for the species - otherwise they will rot and dissapear - maybe someone else will see em - but mostly kids stomp my gyms if i don't pick them - so i believe im doing the gyms and ALL some good
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 Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: sazzelb]
#11297203 - 10/22/09 12:27 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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One time Alan and I were hunting Psilocybe cyanescens on a landscaped median near a freeway on/off ramp. We had just finished harvesting a lunch bag full of them when a cop entering the freeway via the on ramp next to us pulled over, rolled down his window, and stared at us. I walked up to the car and greeted the cop, and he asked what we were doing. I told him that we were hunting mushrooms, and opened the bag and showed him. He glanced at them for all of 2 seconds and then turned and pointed across the street to another median with a "No Pedestrians" sign and said "Okay. See that spot over there? Don't go over there." We agreed, and he bid us a good day and drove away.
I have seen and run into a few other cops, but they don't usually care or want to know what I am doing.
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: whoever]
#11297264 - 10/22/09 12:53 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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i got caught about 3 hours ago today. was in a cow pasture about 20 miles from my house. i found some pan cyans about a week ago there, so decided to return. after about 6 min of picking, there was tons everywhere, i hear some lady yell "HEY! GET OUT OF THE FIELD!!! GET OUT! GET OUT OF THE FIELD!" she just kept yelling at me over and over. i didnt even turn around, i just took off running. ended up getting a blister on my foot but i sure did make out with a bunch of pan cyans. check it out
 
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PlatformStrange
Most Ancient
Registered: 01/18/06
Posts: 275
Loc: Picking your spots!?
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 Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: CureCat]
#11297547 - 10/22/09 02:30 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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CureCat said:
One time Alan and I were hunting Psilocybe cyanescens on a landscaped median near a freeway on/off ramp. We had just finished harvesting a lunch bag full of them when a cop entering the freeway via the on ramp next to us pulled over, rolled down his window, and stared at us. I walked up to the car and greeted the cop, and he asked what we were doing. I told him that we were hunting mushrooms, and opened the bag and showed him. He glanced at them for all of 2 seconds and then turned and pointed across the street to another median with a "No Pedestrians" sign and said "Okay. See that spot over there? Don't go over there." We agreed, and he bid us a good day and drove away.
I have seen and run into a few other cops, but they don't usually care or want to know what I am doing.
Lucky.
I remember one time the farmer who owns my lib spots seemed to be hunting himself, although i don't think he managed to ID any libs. I just had to stand around and start my packed lunch.
Local police in the UK seem to have no clue about actives, thankfully..
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Because modern institutions depend on the transmission of a certain world view and then willing acquiescense in the truth of that world view by the populations into which it is being exported.
In other words a kind of cultural brainwashing is necessary for modern cultures to work at all.
The consequences of the acceptance of this situation of brainwashing is further acceleration toward catastrophe."
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: sazzelb]
#11297742 - 10/22/09 04:08 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thankfully over 25yrs hav Only encounted Cops Twice.First time Mate was Driving way 2fast thru Red light district.Me 2 mates n my girlfriend(wiv ferret)Had 6kg of cubes(picked in unda n hr)6 cow skulls n 1 tin of Ganga.Cops told us to get out of City that if we returned that night They would arrest us.Even gave tin bac Wouldnt happen these Days.Was start of there shift Didnt want hav to Process us for Most of it. Second time as sun was rising Along a back road Marked car Came between me n my Driver.Screamed "Were jst Feeding the Horses" to my driver n Swung open the Gate.Luckily had bucket in each hand Actually looked like was there to feed Horses. Regarding possesion We hav strict Laws pertaining to actives Once in the hand its Class A .My excuse would b NO COMMENT to officers OR M HUNGRY.At court my defence Would b 3fold 1.RELIGION 2.Picked in the dark As yet Unsorted 3.Reside in a paddock(Camp)Was hungry What else was i going to Eat
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Abuse
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: whoever]
#11297785 - 10/22/09 04:38 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear sirens all the time, but none have been directed at me yet.........yet.
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Local police in the UK seem to have no clue about actives, thankfully..
You'd be surprised, I've read stories of police encounters on the fields.
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: Abuse]
#11298220 - 10/22/09 07:35 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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You'd be surprised, I've read stories of police encounters on the fields.
Thankfully not around here.
Makes you wonder why they waste people's hard earned tax hassling the innocent.
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"Shamanism that is specifically rooted in the kind of experiences that are induced by psychoactive plants ... is an area that our society is extraordinarily phobic and nervous concerning, and the reason I think is not far to seek.
Because modern institutions depend on the transmission of a certain world view and then willing acquiescense in the truth of that world view by the populations into which it is being exported.
In other words a kind of cultural brainwashing is necessary for modern cultures to work at all.
The consequences of the acceptance of this situation of brainwashing is further acceleration toward catastrophe."
Terence McKenna.
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: CureCat]
#11298451 - 10/22/09 08:41 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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CureCat said:
One time Alan and I were hunting Psilocybe cyanescens on a landscaped median near a freeway on/off ramp. We had just finished harvesting a lunch bag full of them when a cop entering the freeway via the on ramp next to us pulled over, rolled down his window, and stared at us. I walked up to the car and greeted the cop, and he asked what we were doing. I told him that we were hunting mushrooms, and opened the bag and showed him. He glanced at them for all of 2 seconds and then turned and pointed across the street to another median with a "No Pedestrians" sign and said "Okay. See that spot over there? Don't go over there." We agreed, and he bid us a good day and drove away.
I have seen and run into a few other cops, but they don't usually care or want to know what I am doing.
That is in my opinion the smartest thing to do, I mean if your doing something illegal then dont act like it.
I got arrested for picking Amanitas once and they aren't even illegal
They kept me in jail (holding cell) for an hour then let me go once they checked my camera, how fucked up is that.
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: CureCat]
#11298632 - 10/22/09 09:27 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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CureCat said:
One time Alan and I were hunting Psilocybe cyanescens on a landscaped median near a freeway on/off ramp. We had just finished harvesting a lunch bag full of them when a cop entering the freeway via the on ramp next to us pulled over, rolled down his window, and stared at us. I walked up to the car and greeted the cop, and he asked what we were doing. I told him that we were hunting mushrooms, and opened the bag and showed him. He glanced at them for all of 2 seconds and then turned and pointed across the street to another median with a "No Pedestrians" sign and said "Okay. See that spot over there? Don't go over there." We agreed, and he bid us a good day and drove away.
I have seen and run into a few other cops, but they don't usually care or want to know what I am doing.
That's a good way of handling it. Cops are adept at picking out a bad attitude. Being open and nice goes a long way. Many of them are such dicks these days with such a bad reputation they rarely get treated that way. Last night I said Hi to a local cop at the gas station just to be pleasant.
I rarely hunt where I'm "not supposed to." If I feel I just have to have those mushrooms I'll wait until it is raining hard. That keeps most people, including rangers, police, etc, away. I almost never hunt on private land without permission. In nearly 25 years of hunting I've had no run-ins with any officials.
And I've been in the habit for the last twenty years to ask people to mow around their mushrooms if they weren't ready to pick, including this year. Not a single person has turned me down.
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: sporeRider]
#11298668 - 10/22/09 09:36 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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wiscokid said:
ive noticed most piggys don't even know the latest laws on the norm charges they try n tax - with gyms - ofcourse they are honey mushrooms - id never never never admit to any thing else in pig presence - i highly doubt they would know what i have - and like someone said above - id rambel off scientific names -amarillia mellia (sorry bout spelling) and i guarantee when i start talking scientific style - the pigs would tune me right out:D
Exactly. That works with just about anyone nosy enough to ask what you're doing.
About 15 years ago I spotted a huge cluster of Gyms forming in the lawn of a corporation. The caretakers were insane about the upkeep; they mowed the lawn like a putting green. So I got ahold of the vice-president or some other high office and asked him to set up a barricade around them. I told him certain mushrooms were useful in the treatment of cancer and I was doing research. They had the barricade up for a week or so until they mushrooms were mature. Then, I picked them.
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And with fungus - id argue with any authority that its a bullshit rule - my parks specifically say "do not remove any PLANTS or ANIMALS" - they seem to have forgotten fungus in there - i told you i read the rules:D
I do the same thing in case I ever am stopped.
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And id argue that removing them is actually a way to spread them out of the "protected habitat" and is good for the species - otherwise they will rot and dissapear - maybe someone else will see em - but mostly kids stomp my gyms if i don't pick them - so i believe im doing the gyms and ALL some good:)
I go the other way on that. I'd warn about the dangers of poisonous mushrooms and explain I am doing a service so no one will eat the wrong kinds.
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Re: Ever thought you'd be spotted? [Re: MycOhunter]
#11299018 - 10/22/09 10:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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CureCat said:
One time Alan and I were hunting Psilocybe cyanescens on a landscaped median near a freeway on/off ramp. We had just finished harvesting a lunch bag full of them when a cop entering the freeway via the on ramp next to us pulled over, rolled down his window, and stared at us. I walked up to the car and greeted the cop, and he asked what we were doing. I told him that we were hunting mushrooms, and opened the bag and showed him. He glanced at them for all of 2 seconds and then turned and pointed across the street to another median with a "No Pedestrians" sign and said "Okay. See that spot over there? Don't go over there." We agreed, and he bid us a good day and drove away.
You guys must have used the force, either that or CureCat looks as good in the front as from behind?
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they checked my camera, how fucked up is that.
I have pondered what it's like to swallow an sd flash card. Since then, I've converted to microflash. I've also been rehearsing the pronunciation of 'armillaria', and 'psilocybin? nah they don't grow around these parts'
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