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 Simplicitry
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 Re: US support of Israel [Re: Deekay]
#11262020 - 10/16/09 06:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not support our alliance with israel. I do not believe that their alliance is worth our funding and involvment. 
If Israel were to be taken over my any of the middle eastern countries I would be a happy camper. These countries and their cultures pose no worthwhile threat to us as far as I can tell. Also, any nuclear threat is proposterous, does the term MAD ring a bell? We spend half our budget on military if any shit hit the fan I do not doubt we could conquer any area of the middle east provided we had the political will to allow an effective invasion.
You do know that Israel already has the means to defend itself. We do not back them because we love them. We do not back them because they need us to survive. We back them because the number one enemy of western culture is Islam. Not that they are a serious threat at all, but they are the most hostile to our culture compared to anyone else.
islam is not the #1 threat of the western world. find me the real reason that the U.S. funds them with money and weapons?
I'm assuming you have a reason. I'm always willing to listen to an alternative point of veiw.
So tell me, why is the U.S. backing Israel. Are we doing it because we want enemies we don't have to have.
I personally think we back them because we are enemies with Hezbollah, but that's just my opinion. What's yours?
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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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Also Deekay you said that they are not the greatest enemy of the west. Then who is?
I don't know the last time another group carried out an attack on American soil.
If your going to try to paint a pictrure of Muslims being warm, and cuddly you might as well save your breath for a young child, or liberal who still believes that your magic world of peace and understanding is something real.
And do any of you dreamers have a plan that would offer any kind of real chance of solving these problems?
It real easy to point out what's wrong, but to have a plan is a much more difficult thing to do.
I propose that the stronger of the two sides eventually has to win, because either side is to proud to just stand down.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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I don't know the last time another group carried out an attack on American soil.
If your going to try to paint a pictrure of Muslims being warm, and cuddly you might as well save your breath for a young child, or liberal who still believes that your magic world of peace and understanding is something real.
Are you lumping all Muslims in with Al Qaeda???
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I don't know the last time another group carried out an attack on American soil.
If your going to try to paint a pictrure of Muslims being warm, and cuddly you might as well save your breath for a young child, or liberal who still believes that your magic world of peace and understanding is something real.
Are you lumping all Muslims in with Al Qaeda???
Not all of them. But I do not blind myself to what most of the prodiminatly muslim countries policies toward my culture are. I refuse to be blind. I'm telling you that I feel that Islam is not a friend of the west, and that in many a mosque hatred, and intolerance for Agnostics like myself is very common.
Look at prodominatly Muslim countries. Like Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Afganistan (before the war). If you look at trends in their government you will begin to see troubling patterns from a western perspective. Sharia (Islamic Law) in the political infastructure, Supreme Leaders who think they are god, open public policy that is hostile to my country & way of life, Religious opression of people who's faiths do not include the god of Abraham, and the list goes on.
All I'm saying is fuck that. I think that they should be able to practice whatever faith they want, but there book (The Quaran), and sharia would not allow me the same respect.
It's very clear to me as an American who is our ally, and who is our enemy. I think everyone really knows how it is. Liberals just like living in a dream world.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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Redstorm = Sayeed
And GI_Luvmoney = Great_Satan, Los_Pepes, etc.
Seriously, mods? Are you kidding me?
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The hundred million people in their immediate neighborhood, led by religious fanatics, have endeavored to destroy this tiny country for over 50 years. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS.
It used to be for that reason. Now it's because because of Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime.
I guess thats why the Palestine freedom fighters try to maximize the Palestinian civilian casualties. Its because Israel is oppressive and has nothing to do with the fact that they want Israel and jews out of the region under any cost
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Redstorm]
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And GI_Luvmoney = Great_Satan, Los_Pepes, etc.
Seriously, mods? Are you kidding me?
There are mods in this forum??
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What role does jewish owned media and companies play in america? i always hear that jews own all the movie, newspaper, radio companies, banks etc. is that true?
are there fake jewish christian priests?
more than average in the government, finance, media?
is there a deliberete israel slant in the US media, government, economics etc?
I honetly have heard many accusations and seen some facts to back that up.
whats the deal.
is israel using the US to defend israel? is the US volenteering?
It's very interesting how world war one changed the US's overall policy in regards to Israel, Britan, Germany and France.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11263690 - 10/17/09 12:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's a big ballsy play for religous racial domiance that was pitted one side against the other to the death?
what nonsense!
The god muslims worship and die praying to is the same god christians, jews, and anyone else who believes in a higer power or the force of nature and the universe "worships."
they're destroying god's creation in the name of god.
some people truly fucked up, on both sides.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11263711 - 10/17/09 12:53 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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by the way, when people are "destroying god's creation in the name of god" and similar backwards two faced things that's what religous people call "satan" and when satan reigns over earth is when the apocalypse is supposed to happen.
what the F is the solution? how do we stop all the madness?
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I want to add one thing, and this is speculative theory. is it possible Israel had some part in 9/11? or was it absolutelky certainly muslims?
Israel's motive would be to churn up US military support in the middle east.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11264291 - 10/17/09 06:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Me personally, I don't believe in mans' made up stupid ass religions.
A Priest = A man that was born into this world the same exact way I was, and has never talked to or seen god.
A Muslim Cleric = A man that was born into this world the same exact way I was, and has never talked to or seen god.
A Rabbi = A man that was born into this world the same exact way I was, and has never talked to or seen god.
All of these so called "Clergy" are merely regeritating what a MAN taught them from the time they were babies. They do not have divine insight.
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It's a big ballsy play for religous racial domiance that was pitted one side against the other to the death?
The god muslims worship and die praying to is the same god christians, jews, and anyone else who believes in a higer power or the force of nature and the universe "worships."
You might do better to remind Muslim People of this fact. Because the last time I checked it was perfectly legal in my westernized country for them to build Mosques and worship however they see fit.
Do a little research into Islamic Theocratic Governments, find out what kind of religious freedoms they have in those countries, and then try to make your poin seem valid to someone from the west.
If you did your research before you got into this debate then you would know that Islam does not advocate tolerance toward religions outside of those that stem from Abrahams God. I'm not talking about extremists, I'm talking about the scripture from the Quaran. Don't believe me? Well, then go find out for yourself, and then prove me wrong if I'm wrong.
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I want to add one thing, and this is speculative theory. is it possible Israel had some part in 9/11? or was it absolutelky certainly muslims?
Israel's motive would be to churn up US military support in the middle east.
Yea and they killed President Kennedy, and they abducted Hoover. Come on man, I could come up with hundreds of crack pot conspiracy theories, but if you don't have evidence to back it up, that's all it is a theory, and to be honest it just makes you sound like a moron.
I guess Al Qaedia is on Israeli pay roll according to your theory, because they played right into it by excepting responsibility.
NO, NO, I've got it!!! All of those Saudi Arabian Hijackers weren't really Arab Muslims at all they were Jews in Arab Muslim Costumes!!!
For those of us that don't go around believing in every stupid little conspiracy theory on the internet, there is a long well documented history of tensions between the Western Civilizations, and Islam.
I know this. When the twin towers fell the people of Palestine danced in celebration. I watched it with my own eyes.
Do I blame them for that? NO
Why don't I blame them for that? Because they are an enemy of the west along with Hezbollah. I've always known they were our enemy, and on September 11 they should me that they know I am there enemy.
I just don't think that they should have that sentiment, and then expect any sympathy from me in any way.
I take comfort in knowing that I live in wealth will my enemy lives in poverty. My children will be raised knowing racial, and religious equality, and there children will know the hatred that is taught in there culture. My country allows people to worship god however they see fit, and they live in oppressive regimes that restrict that and so many other aspects of life.
Did you see Jews dancing in the streets after 9/11?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Isreal hunts down and kills the kind of people who danced in the streets when my fellow Americans, Innocent Civilians, were killed by a branch of the Islamic Militant Arm. I salute them for it. There not doing it for me, but I'll take the assistance none the less.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11265736 - 10/17/09 12:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why does the USA support Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime?
Shared ideology. Both nations were founded on the same principles; white supremacy, a divine "right" of expansion due to perceived inherent superiority & a mythical god wanting them to have the land, & forced removal/ethnic cleansing/genocide of native peoples. Most Americans have no understanding of this subject & prefer to be ignorant & believe their self-righteous delusions about how they are "liberators" & stand for "freedom" & such.
Plus, by virtue of money, the Zionists have significant influence over the U.S. government, in addition to the shared racist worldview & a desire to make money at any costs to the environment or the humanity of poorer people with darker-skin.
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Even the rocks... as they swelter in the sun along the silent seashore in solemn grandeur thrill with memories of past events... and the very dust under your feet responds more lovingly to our footsteps than to yours, because it is the ashes of our ancestors, and our bare feet are conscious of the sympathetic touch, for the soil is rich with the life of our kindred.
And when the last red man shall have perished from the earth and his memory among white men shall have become a myth, these shores shall swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe.
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Why does the USA support Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime?
Shared ideology. Both nations were founded on the same principles; white supremacy, a divine "right" of expansion due to perceived inherent superiority & a mythical god wanting them to have the land, & forced removal/ethnic cleansing/genocide of native peoples. Most Americans have no understanding of this subject & prefer to be ignorant & believe their self-righteous delusions about how they are "liberators" & stand for "freedom" & such.
Plus, by virtue of money, the Zionists have significant influence over the U.S. government, in addition to the shared racist worldview & a desire to make money at any costs to the environment or the humanity of poorer people with darker-skin.
What a wonderfully deranged bit of nonsense. There are approximately 14 million Jews in the entire world which has 6 billion people. In America there are approximately 7 million or about 2.5% of the population. If such a tiny number of people can dominate maybe they are the master race. Bow down and lick the boots of your betters.
Money? Saudi Arabia has more money than all the Jews in the world combined.
The shared racist worldview of............Obama? Rangel? Lee? Ellison? Could you be more insane?
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what does everyone think about the speech Benjamin freedman made back in 1961?
Benjamin H Freedman The Balfour Declaration
^^ That's just a snippet
He basically says that the US was suckered into WW1 because the zionist jews wanted palestine, and the brits/french wanted to defeat germany so they made a deal. The jews would get the (mostly pro-german at the time) USA into the war if britain would promise them palestine, and they did with the balfour declaration even before the war was over.
He says the brits promising palestine to the jews before the war was over was completely rediculous and they had no authority.
Is that the root of all the problems?
as well as things like disputes over the suez canal and western european countries forcing (militarly) their influence in the middle east? (egypt, India etc.)
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11266241 - 10/17/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Most, if not all, of the middle eastern borders owes their existence to the partitioning of the ottoman empire following WW1.
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Why does the USA support Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime?
Shared ideology. Both nations were founded on the same principles; white supremacy, a divine "right" of expansion due to perceived inherent superiority & a mythical god wanting them to have the land, & forced removal/ethnic cleansing/genocide of native peoples. Most Americans have no understanding of this subject & prefer to be ignorant & believe their self-righteous delusions about how they are "liberators" & stand for "freedom" & such.
Plus, by virtue of money, the Zionists have significant influence over the U.S. government, in addition to the shared racist worldview & a desire to make money at any costs to the environment or the humanity of poorer people with darker-skin.
I am not "white", and neither are Jews. I am cacasian, but I'm definitly not arian.
You know what i see the connection your talking about now. People of European decent LOVE THE JEWS!!! I mean you'd have to look no farther then the Holocust, The spanish inquistions, The KKK, Neo Nazis. Yes I definitly see what your talking about now.
And if you really want to blame "white people" for the problems in Isreal then get your fucking facts straight. If any "white people" are to blame for Isreal it's England. They are the ones that drew those borders.
Racism? Please! every race on earth is racist to a certian extent. If you think that looking out for your own peoples intrests over the intrests of other peoples is racism then everyone is racist. I would like you to show me on place on earth where people that have different ethnicities, religions, and cultures live in a truely intergrated society.
About the only thing that I would agree with you on is the fact that spreading freedoms, or being liberators is bullshit. That's something that crazy left wingers beleive in. I would have never tried nation building democracies in the Middle East. Those people live like animals out there with some of the worst human rights records to speak of. I don't want to help them or liberate them. If anything I'd want to destroy them.
And it's not my fault if they get exploited by foriegn forces. Whether those forces be "white" or from a different background. If the people in the middle east are not smart, or strong enought to govern themselves while keeping foriegn influences at bay that's not my fault.
History has shown us that when two cultures collide the weaker is put into submission, and guess what it's not looking good for the Islamic Facists out there.
One more thing I find funny is that people on the other side of this arguement always try to point out how much influence Isreal has over American Politics like it's going to make me upset.
You ever talk to an Isreali. They are like Americans. One of there most famous Leaders was born, and raised in Wisconsin. Isreal is an extension of America, and not in a Religious way. They speak like us, and they are our allies. You all can bitch and moan about it all you want, but your just a bunch of winey little bitches on the losing end of an arguement.
And while I may never change your mind. It doesn't matter, because policy will stay the same, and me, and my Jewish allies will stay in the powerful position.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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Oh yea, and I would also like to make one more interesting point. It seems like the left is always rooting for the losing side. Since the Palestinians are not on top right now everyone one on the left is crying about how badly they are being treated.
Did it ever occur to any of you left leaning morons that not all arguments are about right and wrong. Has it ever occur ed to you that what is right for the Palestinians is wrong for the Jews. And vice versa what is right for the Jews is wrong for the Palestinians. Both sides have committed atrocities, both sides have killed one another, both sides have deep seeded hatred for one another, and just because Israels the stronger of the two, and more capable of exerting their will doesn't make them more evil then the Palestinians.
Ask yourself this one Honest Question. If the power balance were the other way around do you really believe that the Palestinians would treat the Jews any better? The answer whether you want to admit it or not is NO. If the power balance were in the Palistinians favor there wouldn't even be an Israel. They would wipe them out.
In closing I want to say that I am not Jewish. I do not hate all people of Middle Eastern descent. I do however see right through the propaganda of my enemy, and the left. There is a clear history of what causes the problems that exist between the West, and Islam. And Islam is just as responsible for looking out for there own interests and fueling the fire as my side.
My sides not more evil. It's just more successful, and powerful.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
Edited by Simplicitry (10/17/09 04:09 PM)
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11266960 - 10/17/09 04:30 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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what does everyone think about the speech Benjamin freedman made back in 1961?
Benjamin H Freedman The Balfour Declaration
^^ That's just a snippet
He basically says that the US was suckered into WW1 because the zionist jews wanted palestine, and the brits/french wanted to defeat germany so they made a deal. The jews would get the (mostly pro-german at the time) USA into the war if britain would promise them palestine, and they did with the balfour declaration even before the war was over.
He says the brits promising palestine to the jews before the war was over was completely rediculous and they had no authority.
Is that the root of all the problems?
as well as things like disputes over the suez canal and western european countries forcing (militarly) their influence in the middle east? (egypt, India etc.)
I just watched your video, and I have to say that I am less then impressed. If you think that a speech that was given in the 1950s is news it's not. Everyone knows about Jewish influence in American Politics.
I also hope that you are not naive enough to think that this is the only reason that the U.S. Government got involved in a world war. After all England is our mother country, and has been one of our longest standing allies. I'm not saying that your video is complete bullshit. I do believe that Jews had some influence over the matter. I just hope that you realize that the reasons a country gets into a war like WW1 or WW2 are much more complex then that little speech you just should us, and that there were many Americans(not just Jewish Americans) who had an interest in the way those wars turned out.
I don't dispute what was said in the video I just think it's a bid naive to believe that's the only reason the U.S. went to war.
I would also have to argue that involvement in the two World Wars was beneficial to America, and ultimately made us the super power it is today. And while I don't believe that the Jews are responsible for getting us in those wars if they did then Americans owe them thanks.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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So much blind ignorance, albeit I have to concede one important thing.
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And if you really want to blame "white people" for the problems in Israel then get your fucking facts straight. If any "white people" are to blame for Israel it's England. They are the ones that drew those borders.
As well as the U.S. through tens (probably 100+) of billions in military & economic subsidies over the past decades, with the current ('Communist' as uninformed people like zappaisgod would claim) administration continuing the status quo. BHO (superficially) says "Stop expanding the illegal settlements," & they continue to do so, saying "F*ck you but keep giving us money since we own your Senate."
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About the only thing that I would agree with you on is the fact that spreading freedoms, or being liberators is bullshit. That's something that crazy left wingers beleive in.
Actually, that claims comes mostly from the religious right, the base of the Republican party, in the U.S., whether now or during the U.S. military occupation of SE Asia, or the history of supporting dictatorships in Latin America for well over a century.
As far as treatment if power was the other way around, probably not now since Zionist apartheid, but Jews did better in Muslim parts of the world than in "Christian" Europe up until only several decades ago... particularly in Palestine, & this statement was from a group of Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel bc apparently the Torah says that Jews aren't supposed to have a 'state' until the Messiah comes.
I do have to agree on the exploitation by foreign powers (in collusion with a domestic elite) is due in a great degree to lack of organization of the masses due to a # of petty reasons... religious fundamentalism (fanned by imperialism, btw) too pervasive to accomplish any significant reforms needed to combat widespread poverty & inequality, continuing backwards ethnic feuds that have been going on for centuries or more, a lack of desire by one poor & exploited groups to work with other, often diverse groups of people all in the same boat to accomplish the greater good for the people, etc..
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Every part of this country is sacred to my people. Every hillside, every valley, every plain and grove has been hallowed by some fond memory or some sad experience of my tribe.
Even the rocks... as they swelter in the sun along the silent seashore in solemn grandeur thrill with memories of past events... and the very dust under your feet responds more lovingly to our footsteps than to yours, because it is the ashes of our ancestors, and our bare feet are conscious of the sympathetic touch, for the soil is rich with the life of our kindred.
And when the last red man shall have perished from the earth and his memory among white men shall have become a myth, these shores shall swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe.
- Chief Seattle
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