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 Re: US support of Israel [Re: Redstorm]
#11259098 - 10/16/09 09:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Catholic Church created the religion known as Islam.
They commissioned a female to go down south and find a crazy, outgoing man. She found a guy named Mohammad. She encouraged him to do what he done. Told him what he "was", etc...
The whole of the conflict is because of the Catholics creating this religion.
The Catholics have the Jesuits to do their bidding covertly. There's a whole sect of belief along these lines. Books about it, and what not. Kind of crazy stuff, if you ask me, but what isn't crazy that's still true these days?
As for Israel and my country supporting them: GTFO of the middle east, America.
We need real people to be voted into office the next time elections come about. For serious. F the two party system. They're all b.s. puppets working in someone other than "your average American's" best interests.
Fuck them all. If we cannot elect better representatives, we then need to infiltrate the Political Action Committees that fund these candidates and tell them who's the better candidate and why.
The system has you and I by the balls. We can't keep allowing them to spend our money like it never ends.
Screw this crap, man. The system's boned.
Is there any way for the average American to propose bills, or somehow get things shifted in our legislative branch? Other than to wait until the terms run down?
Aloha,
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Tri High]
#11259153 - 10/16/09 09:58 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice crackpot theory. Do you have any support for this nonsense?
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Tri High
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Tri High]
#11259495 - 10/16/09 10:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Books:
Understanding Daniel and the Revelation
Secret Terrorists ( http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/preamble.html )
People:
A man I stayed with in Hawai'i. Seriously devout Christian guy. Kinda loony, but alright in his role. Masons do it with hookers to become 33rd degree. Then they kill the hooker, too.
The latter part of the above post was just my opinion.
Respect.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Redstorm]
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All I know is this The major player on my side of the war is the United States, followed second by the European Union. I'm an American, and in my country it is legal for people to be openly atheist. To deny the exists of god if they want.
No let's look at some of the most powerful players on the other side of the war like Iran, the Taliban, and all of those other theocratic states. They are not tolerant of other peoples right to deny God.
Muslims, and bleeding heart liberals will always try to tell you "Muslims allow people of other faiths to peacefully exist in there countries" The term for such protect people is "Dhimmi", and the only people that are protected under that part of sharia are Jews, and Christians because they are faiths that came from Abraham, and what he believed was the one true god.
These Muslims, and liberals will try to paint a Rosy picture of Islam that falls in line with there distorted view of how the world actually works. Like Muslims are going around the globe preaching religious tolerance, freedom of speech, and hugging puppies, but history and current actions paint quite a different picture for any one with eyes to see it.
I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew, so Islam does not tolerate my right to religious expression. We have a term for that were I come from, and it's call Fascist.
I'm not so extreme to say that all Muslims everywhere are all bad people, but as a whole community combined under a Government they are not friendly, and tolerant of my Western belief system.
I am also not so extreme, and blind to believe that my side has not commit ed atrocities. We look out for our own interest just like everyone Else in the world, and if you stand in our way we will kill you. It's unfortunate, but that's the way things work in the world.
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how do you fix thousands of years of bigotry?
Simple answer: You can't, and people like you who think that the world problems are manageable by peaceful action are living in a dream world.
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Is one side going to try again to obliterate the other before people learn to live in peace?
If history has taught us anything it's that eventually one side is going to have to lose. If your Imagination has taken you to some place where Jews, and Palestinians are going to be hugging each other, and everyone will all just get along I have news for you man it's time to grow the fuck up. Utopia doesn't exist, and it never will.
The Jews, and Palestinians will never peacefully solve their problems, and that's as much the Palestinians fault as it is the Israelis.
Are the Palestinians wrong? No more then the Jews are for looking out for there interested.
If the power balance shifted today The Palestinians would inflict so much pain on the Jews it would not even be funny, and I couldn't blame them. The only good thing for the Jews, and my nation as an ally of the Jews, is that the power balance is in our favor.
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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Redstorm]
#11260542 - 10/16/09 02:04 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not support our alliance with israel. I do not believe that their alliance is worth our funding and involvment. 
If Israel were to be taken over my any of the middle eastern countries I would be a happy camper. These countries and their cultures pose no worthwhile threat to us as far as I can tell. Also, any nuclear threat is proposterous, does the term MAD ring a bell? We spend half our budget on military if any shit hit the fan I do not doubt we could conquer any area of the middle east provided we had the political will to allow an effective invasion.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11260564 - 10/16/09 02:08 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Saudis and Egyptians support Israel because they want Islamic fanatics to die so there's less terrorism in Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
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Redstorm = Sayeed
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Deekay]
#11260920 - 10/16/09 03:04 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not support our alliance with israel. I do not believe that their alliance is worth our funding and involvment.
If Israel were to be taken over my any of the middle eastern countries I would be a happy camper. These countries and their cultures pose no worthwhile threat to us as far as I can tell. Also, any nuclear threat is proposterous, does the term MAD ring a bell? We spend half our budget on military if any shit hit the fan I do not doubt we could conquer any area of the middle east provided we had the political will to allow an effective invasion.
You do know that Israel already has the means to defend itself. We do not back them because we love them. We do not back them because they need us to survive. We back them because the number one enemy of western culture is Islam. Not that they are a serious threat at all, but they are the most hostile to our culture compared to anyone else.
As a matter of fact they are not a threat what so ever. If NATO wasn't so tied up in humanitarian concerns we would have wiped our enemy off the face of the planet by now. We are so militarily Superior to our Islamic foes that a real war, not the nation building bullshit that we are seeing now, but a real war would have such a devastating effects on their eastern culture it's inconceivable.
So what just because we are stronger means that we are the ones that are evil?
Just because we are stronger we should let people with intolerance toward people of other cultures knock our buildings down with our planes, bomb our embassies in Kenya, our barracks in Saudi Arabia, our boats in the water?
Just know that there will always be Americans like myself who seek vengeance for our dead.
One of you people would argue that they only attacked us for our stance on Israel, but I would say bullshit, because there is a whole history of violence between our two cultures before 1947 when Israel first became the modern state that it is. And trying to point a finger at who started the conflict is futile because it was going on before your great great great grandpa was around.
If the U.S. pulled out of the middle east it would not solve the problem that eastern Muslims do not embrace western culture. Hezbollah, Hamas, The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and all of the other Islamic groups in the middle east share one very common thread, Their hatred of western culture, and there hatred of the fact that we dominate the world.
They will not simply put down their weapons. And as I said before the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Which is why I'm a friend of Israel.
Oh yea, and I can't wait till Israel fucks Iran hardcore. It's coming mark my words
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11260988 - 10/16/09 03:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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im not arabic, and i wouldn't call myself a muslum.
is this whole thing a crazy religous battle for world dominace? crusades continued?
If eleven Jews can find a way to dominate billions of people then the billions deserve to be dominated.Quote:
how do you fix thousands of years of bigotry? and why did the USA ever get involved? I like seperation of church from state too, so why support Israel?
Read a history book. It is pretty much related to the cold war. Also consider just what piece of shit property was granted Israel as opposed to the incredibly lucrative land granted the Muslims when the Ottoman Empire was divvied up. A tiny resourceless piece of forsaken desert.
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Is one side going to try again to obliterate the other before people learn to live in peace?
There is only one side that appears to be interested in obliterating the other.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#11261173 - 10/16/09 03:39 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is only one side that appears to be interested in obliterating the other.
One side talks tough. The other side acts tough. I'm sure you know which is which.
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Well, one side tries to do both. I'm sure you know who.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#11261433 - 10/16/09 04:29 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, one side tries to do both. I'm sure you know who.
Fair enough. I'm not interested in defending Palestinians, I just get annoyed when people appear to claim Israel does no wrong. Israel wants to destroy Palestine as much as the other way around, and both Governments have consistently shown they have no interest in peace. Israel refuses to halt settlement activity, which is a part of the international roadmap to peace. So I have the same question as the OP - why does the US support Israel? If they don't want peace, they should go their course alone.
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Israel does not want to destroy "Palestine", whatever that is. They just want to be left alone.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#11261510 - 10/16/09 04:39 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Israel does not want to destroy "Palestine", whatever that is. They just want to be left alone.
Fine - be a stickler for grammer. They want to take over the "Arab Land" with their settlements, as we've debated before:
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Well, one side tries to do both. I'm sure you know who.
Fair enough. I'm not interested in defending Palestinians, I just get annoyed when people appear to claim Israel does no wrong. Israel wants to destroy Palestine as much as the other way around, and both Governments have consistently shown they have no interest in peace. Israel refuses to halt settlement activity, which is a part of the international roadmap to peace. So I have the same question as the OP - why does the US support Israel? If they don't want peace, they should go their course alone.
I don't believe that Israel is innocent. I do not believe they are gods choosen ones. I do not beleive that they are right. I do not believe that they are wrong.
I do believe that they look out for there own interest just like everyone else on the planet does.
I believe it is in American interest to have a friendly nuclear power(Israel) that is not afraid of international condemnation within a very easy striking distance of Iran. Iran a country that burns our flag, hates our country, and is our enemy.
I'm not saying that all Iranians are evil. I'm saying that their beliefs, Ideals, and morals contradict what we as Americans believe in to the point of hostility.
If you lay down your sword, your enemy won't do the same. Especially one that has thousands of years worth of anger and hatred for you.
You know we could all go in circles for hours, and hours, but the bottom line is the west along with Israel has been on the dominate side for quite some time now, and I don't see that changing.
To all you Muslims who want to see the destruction of Israel, or the fall of the U.S. are just going to have to keep praying to Allah. Look at how well you've done with all your prayers so far. He's really taking care of you isn't he.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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Yes, we can and have gone in circles forever and ever and ever. Here's the reality. The jews were given a teeny tiny slice of the Ottoman Empire when it was partitioned. Teeny. Tiny. And without any oil. The hundred million people in their immediate neighborhood, led by religious fanatics, have endeavored to destroy this tiny country for over 50 years. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yes, we can and have gone in circles forever and ever and ever. Here's the reality. The jews were given a teeny tiny slice of the Ottoman Empire when it was partitioned. Teeny. Tiny. And without any oil. The hundred million people in their immediate neighborhood, led by religious fanatics, have endeavored to destroy this tiny country for over 50 years. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS.
I'm with you man. Isamic intolerance is all to evident. Those who choose to ignore it, or can't see it are blind or stupid. One or the other.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."
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I do not support our alliance with israel. I do not believe that their alliance is worth our funding and involvment.
If Israel were to be taken over my any of the middle eastern countries I would be a happy camper. These countries and their cultures pose no worthwhile threat to us as far as I can tell. Also, any nuclear threat is proposterous, does the term MAD ring a bell? We spend half our budget on military if any shit hit the fan I do not doubt we could conquer any area of the middle east provided we had the political will to allow an effective invasion.
You do know that Israel already has the means to defend itself. We do not back them because we love them. We do not back them because they need us to survive. We back them because the number one enemy of western culture is Islam. Not that they are a serious threat at all, but they are the most hostile to our culture compared to anyone else.
islam is not the #1 threat of the western world. find me the real reason that the U.S. funds them with money and weapons?
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#11261952 - 10/16/09 05:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
The hundred million people in their immediate neighborhood, led by religious fanatics, have endeavored to destroy this tiny country for over 50 years. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS.
It used to be for that reason. Now it's because because of Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime.
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