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 US support of Israel 
#11255093 - 10/15/09 06:02 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Why does the USA support Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime?
I'd like to know your opinion.
This is important because it's why "the terrorists" don't like the USA, and it ties in to world war one, two, and possibly three.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11255162 - 10/15/09 06:13 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Shins said:
Why does the USA support Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime?
I'd like to know your opinion.
This is important because it's why "the terrorists" don't like the USA, and it ties in to world war one, two, and possibly three.
I support U.S. alliance with Israel. Islamic Fascist don't respect my way of life, and I guess the way I see it the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Make any sense, or do you completely disagree.
Oh yea, and if you think that the terrorist, and Hamas, and Hezbollah will just put there guns down, and hug the U.S. if we change our policy toward Israel then I have to disagree with you.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11255243 - 10/15/09 06:24 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Shins said:
Why does the USA support Israel's oppressive, racist, elitist regime?
I'd like to know your opinion.
This is important because it's why "the terrorists" don't like the USA, and it ties in to world war one, two, and possibly three.
Probably because they are not oppressive, racist, or elitist.
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I support U.S. alliance with Israel. Islamic Fascist don't respect my way of life, and I guess the way I see it the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Make any sense, or do you completely disagree.
Oh yea, and if you think that the terrorist, and Hamas, and Hezbollah will just put there guns down, and hug the U.S. if we change our policy toward Israel then I have to disagree with you.
do you really know that "Islamic Fascist don't respect my way of life?" Or do you believe that because it's what's repeated most often in the media?
you don't think that the discontent Arab extremists have has anything to do with the USA's part in world war one and two, and the re-creation of Israel?
If the USA stopped supporting Israel and took a negative approach to it i GUARANTEE a lot of "terrorists" would rejoice the US. though of course it won't erase the past.
on the topic of "Islamic Fascist don't respect my way of life" I'd like to point out here that the USA is largely christian, and as such follows the teachings of Jesus. Muslims accept Jesus as well as other people "of the book" including Jews.
Jewish scripture on the other hand, condemns non-Jews (gentiles) to be of lower racial status, and worth less than a Jew, and that it's okay to abuse non-Jews.
The Jews also had Jesus killed.
why does a supposedly christian nation support another nation who believes Jesus was shit, and a nation who supports the ones who had him killed?
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Edited by Shins (10/15/09 07:08 PM)
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11255527 - 10/15/09 07:15 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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I dont knwo too much about the issue but i found this video interesting.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11255563 - 10/15/09 07:22 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Muslims don't like anybody. They regularly war with any and every nation they can, regardless of connection to Israel. Your are just lapping up leftist bullshit that all revolves around white guilt.
I support U.S. alliance with Israel.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11255632 - 10/15/09 07:31 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Shins said:
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Simplicitry said:
I support U.S. alliance with Israel. Islamic Fascist don't respect my way of life, and I guess the way I see it the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Make any sense, or do you completely disagree.
Oh yea, and if you think that the terrorist, and Hamas, and Hezbollah will just put there guns down, and hug the U.S. if we change our policy toward Israel then I have to disagree with you.
do you really know that "Islamic Fascist don't respect my way of life?" Or do you believe that because it's what's repeated most often in the media?
you don't think that the discontent Arab extremists have has anything to do with the USA's part in world war one and two, and the re-creation of Israel?
If the USA stopped supporting Israel and took a negative approach to it i GUARANTEE a lot of "terrorists" would rejoice the US. though of course it won't erase the past.
on the topic of "Islamic Fascist don't respect my way of life" I'd like to point out here that the USA is largely christian, and as such follows the teachings of Jesus. Muslims accept Jesus as well as other people "of the book" including Jews.
Jewish scripture on the other hand, condemns non-Jews (gentiles) to be of lower racial status, and worth less than a Jew, and that it's okay to abuse non-Jews.
The Jews also had Jesus killed.
why does a supposedly christian nation support another nation who believes Jesus was shit, and a nation who supports the ones who had him killed?
First of all if you want to start having this conversation under the assumption that I only recieve information from mainstream media that's your own problem, but I don't just get my information only from the mainstream media. Actually the history of Israel, and the middle east is one of my deepest interests because it has such a strong influence over the worlds current problems.
Second of all I'm not a Christian, but I am of Christian decent, and from a Christian nation. If you mean to sit, and tell me that Islam is a friend of the west, or of Christians then I think you need to be a little more honest with yourself. Yes, Yes, I'm familiar with the term Dhimmi(Arabic for poeple of the Book i.e. Christians, and Jews), but let's be serious about that aspect. Dhimmi have to pay an extra tax in Muslim country, and recognize Muslim superiority to have peaceful existence. And what about Hindu's, Buddhists, and atheist. They are not protected all. No they are to be dealt with by the sword.
I fought against the Islamic enemy on the battle field. I am a proud veteran. I did so because I don't want to see my country end up a Theocracy like Iran where the church controls the government. I believe in separation of church and state.
I would like to see you write back that Islam believes in separation of church and state because I'll call you a liar.
Be honest with yourself. Islam is not a friend of the west, just like the west is not a friend of Islam. The Crusades, The wars everything.
let's call it what it really is
Edited by Simplicitry (10/18/09 01:33 PM)
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: DieCommie]
#11255674 - 10/15/09 07:38 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
Muslims don't like anybody. They regularly war with any and every nation they can, regardless of connection to Israel. Your are just lapping up leftist bullshit that all revolves around white guilt.
I support U.S. alliance with Israel.
I don't subscribe to "the left" or accusations of "white guilt" other than what's the truth. the truth is what i try to subscribe to.
"Muslims don't like anybody." is bullshit. do you know any Muslims? have you asked him/her if that's true? it's not. Muslims are mostly kind, good, loving people.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11255697 - 10/15/09 07:41 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Yes, I do know some muslims. Western ones here in the states. Obviously I am using a generality that refers to the majority (who are not western) and to which anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Nearly every conflict on the planet today involves muslims. Be they asian, arab, black or white - be they right or wrong, the fact is almost every single armed conflict on the planet involves them. Every single place where a muslim majority lives next to a non-muslim majority there is violence. Israel/Palestine is just one of dozens of such cases.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: DieCommie]
#11255764 - 10/15/09 07:52 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
Yes, I do know some muslims. Western ones here in the states. Obviously I am using a generality that refers to the majority (who are not western) and to which anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Nearly every conflict on the planet today involves muslims. Be they asian, arab, black or white - be they right or wrong, the fact is almost every single armed conflict on the planet involves them. Every single place where a muslim majority lives next to a non-muslim majority there is violence. Israel/Palestine is just one of dozens of such cases.
Amen Brother. It's so true.
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To the OP are you Muslim or Arabic? You said your not a leftist so this would be my next guess.
I suppose every white American should move to Europe so the Native Americans can have there land back?
It's the same with the Jews, and Palistinians. You want to know who deserves the holy land. The people who are powerful enough to hold it, because that's the only way it can be. It's not like they're going to share it with one another.
Let's be serious there is no solution short of the Jews leaving, and that's not going to happen. And problems with the west, and Islam have much deeper roots then just Isreal. They were killing each other long before the word holocust, Isreal, and palistine were the main words in the conflict.
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What Happened to the OP, what you don't want to discuss your topic anymore.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11256138 - 10/15/09 08:48 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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It sounds like you are making a statement about a subject you know nothing about. Every thing you said was far from the truth, as to raise suspicion of intent.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11256174 - 10/15/09 08:53 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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It sounds like you are making a statement about a subject you know nothing about. Every thing you said was far from the truth, as to raise suspicion of intent.
Who's statement are you refering to? The OP?
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11256224 - 10/15/09 09:00 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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C.M. Mann said:
It sounds like you are making a statement about a subject you know nothing about.
You should know all about that, huh?
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Redstorm]
#11256782 - 10/15/09 10:27 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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im not arabic, and i wouldn't call myself a muslum.
is this whole thing a crazy religous battle for world dominace? crusades continued?
how do you fix thousands of years of bigotry? and why did the USA ever get involved? I like seperation of church from state too, so why support Israel?
Is one side going to try again to obliterate the other before people learn to live in peace?
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11256832 - 10/15/09 10:35 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Is one side going to try again to obliterate the other before people learn to live in peace?
Yes, Palestine's official position is the destruction of the Israeli state and solely a Palestinian state in the region. That is the position of Palestine's financial supporters as well.
Israel, and it's financial supporters, official position is a two state solution where there is no destruction of either state and they coexist.
Israel is not willing to give up its status as a state, Palestine is not willing to coexist. So they fight.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: Shins]
#11256931 - 10/15/09 10:56 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Shins said:why does a supposedly christian nation support another nation who believes Jesus was shit, and a nation who supports the ones who had him killed?
I'm surprised nobody mentioned it. In order for the Second Coming of Christ to take place, the Jewish people have to have dominion over the city of Jerusalem.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: THC Titan]
#11256945 - 10/15/09 10:59 PM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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Nobody mentioned it because its not true and its irrelevant.
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Re: US support of Israel [Re: DieCommie]
#11258468 - 10/16/09 08:08 AM (1 month, 5 days ago) |
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While I'm not sure if it's true since I don't subscribe to fairy tales, it certainly is relevant.
If Evangelical Christians believe that Israel must have their own state for the rapture to occur, then their rabid support of Israel will not be conditional on Israel ever acting appropriately.
This support is then passed onto their elected officials. Or the officials just believe the nonsense in the first place.
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Blumenthal opens the video by interviewing Tom Delay, who when asked how much the "Second Coming" plays into his support for Israel, says, "obviously, it's what I live for, I hope it comes tomorrow."
Delay closed by saying, "we have to be connected to Israel to enjoy the second coming."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unautho_b_57826.html
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