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myshroomyhead
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Middleman]
#11222365 - 10/10/09 06:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Middleman said: Nothing against Ramana, I'm just saying to be careful with concepts, awakening is a process that takes place below the neck.
well his teachings are no concepts. No enlightened master will give you a concept. They guide people to their self. They give them tools and answer questions.
I can understand your thought, but it's a different thing for enlightened masters. What they say is truth, and truth only.
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Oweyervishice said: A person doesn't need to know they are being misleading to be so.
Your judgment is foul. Do you even wasted a thought about yourself? Did you actually meet a person with a higher state of mind?
I bet you didn't!
I said that because I know I myself been unintentionally misleading in the past.
My judgement is foul?
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Chronic7
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Middleman said: Nothing against Ramana, I'm just saying to be careful with concepts, awakening is a process that takes place below the neck.
This is true, this is also why Ramana mostly taught through silence & when he did give advice it was to discover the true nature of what 'I' is, to inquire into the nature of Self, which leads out of the head, to the Heart
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Middleman said: These guys are misleading. There is no true self. True self is an oxymoron.
If one follows the Inquiry to its completion no paradoxes or oxymorons are left to ponder about, the Self is not an oxymoron or a paradox, only to the mind, not to itself. Practicing being the Self is an oxymoron & a paradox, but this paradox undoes itself if the practice is followed through...
You see, if you inquire into the Self, you will find the Self is not the mind or the vital force which carries out actions or practices, so if anything inquiry is a practice that removes itself, to leave an effortless state of realization. It is a practice of thinning the personal mind out into the Universal Infinite Its like combing through the mind to get all the knots out, then the comb is thrown away itself!
Ramana also cleared this up...in India when they cremate bodies they turn the body with a stick until the body is completely burnt, then the stick itself is consumed in the fire, he uses this as an analogy for the mind carrying out inquiry...
"The thought 'Who am I?', destroying all other thoughts, will itself finally be destroyed like the stick used for stirring the funeral pyre"What remains can only be the Self, beyond thought/imagination, paradox or oxymorons Quote:
Oweyervishice said: My judgement is foul?
All judgement is foul
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11225150 - 10/11/09 06:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey Chronic are you enlightened? I heard enlightened people can read thoughts is this true?
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Chronic7
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Diaboleros said: Hey Chronic are you enlightened?
I know who i am, there is no greater realization to be 'enlightened' about then who you really are
The timeless definition of enlightenment that all the Sages have said is 'Know ThySelf'
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Diaboleros said: I heard enlightened people can read thoughts is this true?
Spontaniously it happens, but if i 'try' to read thoughts, that is my ego trying, so itself is the block
Time to time i can hear whats going on in someones head, a passing thought, if i was interested in it i could perhaps hone the skill, but i have NO interest in whats going on in my own head let alone anyone elses...
I would never try to excerise some mental power, its only ego food, the real power is to realize the Self beyond the ego, all other powers retain the ego as the instrument for carrying out the power
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11225187 - 10/11/09 06:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok so once you realized the self, whats next? Sit back and relax to enjoy life? Or what?
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Chronic7
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Diaboleros said: Ok so once you realized the self, whats next? Sit back and relax to enjoy life? Or what?
TOTAL satisfaction, Bliss beyond beleif
What is the point of all this ifit is not to come to total satisfaction?
Im not wasting peoples time talking about philosophy, this investigation is to come to the end of it all
When perfection is recognized as the very foundation of existence your whole being comes to completion & merges with that perfection
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Oweyervishice said: A person doesn't need to know they are being misleading to be so.
Your judgment is foul. Do you even wasted a thought about yourself? Did you actually meet a person with a higher state of mind?
I bet you didn't!
I said that because I know I myself been unintentionally misleading in the past.
My judgement is foul?
I'm sorry, misinterpreted your post.
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Chronic7
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“It is not enough that one surrenders oneself. Surrender is to give oneself up to the original cause of one's being. Do not delude yourself by imagining such a source to be some God outside you. One's source is within oneself. Give yourself up to it. That means that you should seek the source and merge in it.”
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11305614 - 10/23/09 11:30 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Truly there is no cause for you to be miserable and unhappy. You yourself impose limitations on your true nature of infinite being, and then weep that you are but a finite creature. Then you take up this or that spiritual practice to transcend the nonexistent limitations. But if your spiritual practice itself assumes the existence of the limitations, how can it help you to transcend them?"Link to PDF version of Raman Maharshi's 'Who Am I?' Originally this was recorded in a question/answer format, but Ramana himself rewrote it into paragraphs summing up the teachings, this was later on translated by Michael James who has a great understanding of Tamil & Bhagavans upadesa, for the one person that may download & read this, enjoy! http://www.zshare.net/download/673957327bf5f579/EDIT: For a more readable version in the question/answer format... http://www.zshare.net/download/67397034d4c439bb/
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11305649 - 10/23/09 11:37 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the link!
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Chronic7
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No problem, i was sharing it somewhere else & thought id post it here aswell to possibly revive this thread...
The introduction is very skippable btw & the translation can be heard to read, its more for die hard Ramana disciples
For a more readable version in the question/answer format...
http://www.zshare.net/download/67397034d4c439bb/
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11374881 - 11/03/09 06:07 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Self alone, the Sole Reality, Exists for ever. If of yore the First of Teachers Revealed it through unbroken silence Say who can reveal it in spoken words?
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11377831 - 11/03/09 03:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is really short and sweet, just the way it should be.
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Ozekat]
#11418141 - 11/09/09 11:22 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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The ultimate state of supreme liberation is ones own real nature It is always attained Knowing this, Be Still
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11418949 - 11/09/09 01:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chronic, this is SOOOO like you!
Well i have a book here in front of me: BE AS YOU ARE: The Teachings Of Sri Ramana Maharshi
'He says about reality that it must always be real. It is not with forms and names. Reality underlies these. Reality underlies these limitations but is itself limitless.'
I think i know this 'reality'. Perhaps you were right after all...
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Ahimsa]
#11419094 - 11/09/09 01:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was the first Ramana Maharshi Book i bought, its excellent
Im unspeakably happy you have it Let me know how you get on with it...
Heres a quote like your signature:
Ramana: "when attention pays attention to attention, then that is attention"
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
#11419180 - 11/09/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read it while is was in India last summer... It made sense in the light of my experience of three months in an English Buddhist meditation centre. One day i was studying the Prajna Paramita and i arrived to what they call the final analysis. After that indescribable moment i have never been in doubt again about reality. I searched for about 17 years to understand what started with the question 'What is truth?'. But that day something happened in my mind, or perhaps to my mind. Everything reduced to an insight that, and this is the only way i can describe the realization, 'faster than itself'. My thinking beat itself to it. I still remember the very thought:
"...everything is without essence, and this essencelessness is an assembled entity..."
I know, it may not mean anything much to you, but at that moment i just knew, and my mind went beyond itself. And now i have this certainty that i cannot put into words. I try to explain it but always end up not being understood, or with a paradox, or any other dualistic notion, and so on... did you experience 'something'?
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Ahimsa]
#11419273 - 11/09/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ahimsa said: I read it while is was in India last summer... It made sense in the light of my experience of three months in an English Buddhist meditation centre. One day i was studying the Prajna Paramita and i arrived to what they call the final analysis. After that indescribable moment i have never been in doubt again about reality. I searched for about 17 years to understand what started with the question 'What is truth?'. But that day something happened in my mind, or perhaps to my mind. Everything reduced to an insight that, and this is the only way i can describe the realization, 'faster than itself'. My thinking beat itself to it. I still remember the very thought:
"...everything is without essence, and this essencelessness is an assembled entity..."
I know, it may not mean anything much to you, but at that moment i just knew, and my mind went beyond itself. And now i have this certainty that i cannot put into words. I try to explain it but always end up not being understood, or with a paradox, or any other dualistic notion, and so on... did you experience 'something'?
I understand when you say 'my mind went beyond itself' although a paradoxical statement I also understand the 'instantanious realization' as realization takes place out of time, its timeless
The certainty can never be put into words
Ive had great experiences through practicing Self-inquiry The experience of the Self is the important factor, not experiencing an object, but experiencing the nature of Self
I Love Ramana
"The Self is within the direct experience of all"
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