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 Do you love everything?
#11188634 - 10/05/09 04:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Written by me: To love is harder than to hate.
How do or did you get into the ability to love everything around you unconditionally? If you've not yet, are you trying to?
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good ideas.
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 Re: Do you love everything? [Re: showme]
#11188754 - 10/05/09 04:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ever since I had my first ego loss during a mushroom trip I understood this.
Took me about 4 months but I've begun to live life and view others in this way and it has made me such a better person! It's been about 11 months and I've 180'ed from where I was this time last year. Everyone should at least read this, if not give it a chance.
Give love a chance 
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...Love everything?
In a destructive society?
No - thank you.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
#11188797 - 10/05/09 04:45 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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...Love everything?
In a destructive society?
No - thank you.
I know, right. Since others are destructive I should be too, so it's like a loop of destruction. Instead of showing them how much better love is, I'd rather just join the cycle of hate.
I know you were being sarcastic, but I wanted to write this.
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No, I'm actually rather serious.
I hate humanity - they're messing with my planet, they're ignorant and ugly... What is there not to hate? ...If you want to see nature, they will murder trees and print a colorful picture of nature on it.
Love isn't everything... I prefer knowledge and direct experience shared with the people you are attuned to during philosophical conversation in deep forests on herbal psychedelics.
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Edited by Sellith (10/05/09 05:02 PM)
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
#11188863 - 10/05/09 04:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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i love oxy
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
#11189028 - 10/05/09 05:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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VoidMasamune said:
No, I'm actually rather serious.
I hate humanity - they're messing with my planet, they're ignorant and ugly... What is there not to hate? ...If you want to see nature, they will murder trees and print a colorful picture of nature on it.
Love isn't everything... I prefer knowledge and direct experience shared with the people you are attuned to during philosophical conversation in deep forests on herbal psychedelics.
That's how I was before I grew up, too.
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If that is the case, I refuse to grow up - I'm perfectly content with myself :P
I'm not trying to bash your point of view though, if the entire world would be more like what you describe it would improve... Less preconceptions.
Until then (and probably after that too if it where the case to ever happen) it's just not for me.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
#11189481 - 10/05/09 06:26 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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John Lennon said It best! It's easy. All you need is love. 
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No you don't, listen to Black Mage.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
#11189558 - 10/05/09 06:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ha ha! I know! He's so cute.......in an evil way.
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I try to love everything that there is to love, but as void said, there is so much hate and the destructiveness of our society is just ridiculous.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Dr.Myco87]
#11189797 - 10/05/09 07:17 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your general mood plays as a large factor in loving unconditionally IME's.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: inphinity]
#11190181 - 10/05/09 08:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's best to find a balance between the two, I think if you try to love everything- that "love" just ends up being dilluded.
Or like you said, maybe there's a differant word for it. I wouldn't call it love.
I mean, I appreciate the world around me and am generally a happy guy- but that doesn't mean i'm in a constant state of "love." It's more of an appreciation...
Unless i'm just way too high and don't know what i'm talking about... that's quite possible as well.
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I don't love much.
I think you are severely deluding the meaning of the word...
I like tons of stuff sure.
But I agree masamune.
Why love people who manipulate people for greed or straight up hatred?
Why love those who kill others in other country's for no reason? or whatever.. "For their country". or for "God".
If growing up means to forgive ANYTHING sorry. Id rather not "Grow up".
I don't love those who destroy the planet to save money.
Or those who pay others to keep down those who try to save the planet from these people.
Just so they can keep on making money.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
#11190516 - 10/05/09 08:48 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, I'm actually rather serious.
I hate humanity - they're messing with my planet, they're ignorant and ugly... What is there not to hate? ...If you want to see nature, they will murder trees and print a colorful picture of nature on it.
Love isn't everything... I prefer knowledge and direct experience shared with the people you are attuned to during philosophical conversation in deep forests on herbal psychedelics.
u my man speak my heart.
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Black_Sunset said:
Ever since I had my first ego loss during a mushroom trip I understood this.
Took me about 4 months but I've begun to live life and view others in this way and it has made me such a better person! It's been about 11 months and I've 180'ed from where I was this time last year. Everyone should at least read this, if not give it a chance.
Give love a chance
I agree with this. The first time I did enough magic cactus to experience heavy ego-loss I felt that I couldn't hate anymore. Hate is just a nasty feeling.....I notice that I've become extremely empathetic towards others, it's like I can feel what other's feel.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: starfirex]
#11190568 - 10/05/09 08:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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To not hate doesn't mean to love though.
Would you say you really love those who put greed over the planet?
Its not like we have anywhere to go when earth is unlivable..
This is our only home, and the only place that harbors complex life, that we know of.
I don't think it is okay to love these people.
Just because they are slowly killing the planet doesn't mean they are not killing the planet.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Thisfire]
#11190585 - 10/05/09 08:58 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thisfire said:
To not hate doesn't mean to love though.
Would you say you really love those who put greed over the planet?
Its not like we have anywhere to go when earth is unlivable..
This is our only home, and the only place that harbors complex life, that we know of.
I don't think it is okay to love these people.
Just because they are slowly killing the planet doesn't mean they are not killing the planet.
Then you are clearly not at peace w/ yourself.
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I will forgive anyone who wants to do harm or has done harm to me but I love everything equally
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i only love everything when im on ecstasy. sorry.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Moronicus]
#11190700 - 10/05/09 09:17 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not for everybody, but it is an amazing thing to be able to love yourself and everybody.
I guess it takes a certain kind of person.
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To not hate doesn't mean to love though.
Would you say you really love those who put greed over the planet?
Its not like we have anywhere to go when earth is unlivable..
This is our only home, and the only place that harbors complex life, that we know of.
I don't think it is okay to love these people.
Just because they are slowly killing the planet doesn't mean they are not killing the planet.
Then you are clearly not at peace w/ yourself.
It's possible to be at peace with yourself without loving everyone and everything. It's possible to be at peace with yourself without being at peace with the entire world as well.
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To not hate doesn't mean to love though.
Would you say you really love those who put greed over the planet?
Its not like we have anywhere to go when earth is unlivable..
This is our only home, and the only place that harbors complex life, that we know of.
I don't think it is okay to love these people.
Just because they are slowly killing the planet doesn't mean they are not killing the planet.
Then you are clearly not at peace w/ yourself.
It's possible to be at peace with yourself without loving everyone and everything. It's possible to be at peace with yourself without being at peace with the entire world as well.
Yes, to an extent.
You should feel silly for holding people at fault for their own confused delusions. That's like kicking a puppy.
I would never hate somebody who does something out of anger. I couldn't; there are reasons for the anger and those reasons can be helped. Everybody thinks on the same structure, but the ego gets in the way.
Edited by OutThisLife (10/05/09 09:20 PM)
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To not hate doesn't mean to love though.
Would you say you really love those who put greed over the planet?
Its not like we have anywhere to go when earth is unlivable..
This is our only home, and the only place that harbors complex life, that we know of.
I don't think it is okay to love these people.
Just because they are slowly killing the planet doesn't mean they are not killing the planet.
Then you are clearly not at peace w/ yourself.
It's possible to be at peace with yourself without loving everyone and everything. It's possible to be at peace with yourself without being at peace with the entire world as well.
Yes, to an extent.
You should feel silly for holding people at fault for their own confused delusions. That's like kicking a puppy.
I would never hate somebody who does something out of anger. I couldn't; there are reasons for the anger and those reasons can be helped. Everybody thinks on the same structure, but the ego gets in the way.
If I murdered your mother would you hate me?
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Honestly? I'd want to know why, and then go from there.
I can't let anger get in the way of my journey.
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To not hate doesn't mean to love though.
Would you say you really love those who put greed over the planet?
Its not like we have anywhere to go when earth is unlivable..
This is our only home, and the only place that harbors complex life, that we know of.
I don't think it is okay to love these people.
Just because they are slowly killing the planet doesn't mean they are not killing the planet.
Then you are clearly not at peace w/ yourself.
It's possible to be at peace with yourself without loving everyone and everything. It's possible to be at peace with yourself without being at peace with the entire world as well.
Yes, to an extent.
You should feel silly for holding people at fault for their own confused delusions. That's like kicking a puppy.
I would never hate somebody who does something out of anger. I couldn't; there are reasons for the anger and those reasons can be helped. Everybody thinks on the same structure, but the ego gets in the way.
That's the way I see it too. 
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Love everything? No. But I don't hate anything. There are many bad things in the world and things I don't like, yet to hate these things would do no good. To hate would only be harming myself and possibly others around me.
To love the beauty of life is divine. And to spread love is even more so. The best I can do is spread my word to others. And to take the love other give me. And to at all costs stop hatred. I wouldn't kill anyone unless I had a very good reason (if I or a loved one was under attack or someone was otherwise posing a threat).
But there are somethings that shouldn't be loved. And that is my belief.
edit: And now that I think about it, OutThisLife, I really do think to love everything is extremely foolish. Because to love the bad things and people that do bad things in life, is NOT to conquer these things. If you say there are no bad things in life, you are ignorant or otherwise if you love bad things and people that do bad things, such as murder, then you are supporting a bad cause.
Knowledge and wisdom should govern love. Not everything should be loved. Save love for what is truly deserving of it.
Life is hard. Life isn't perfect. It's heard all the time and maybe cliche but "Life's a bitch - fuck it" is kind of true. Life will be hard at times, there will be times of no love. And the best one can do is to move on, cope in someway, metaphorically fuck it. Or maybe actually fuck it too.
Anyway the point is, don't love blindly and foolishly. Love is an ambiguous term anyway. Just because you say you love everyone and everything doesn't mean its a good thing. Actions speak louder than words.
I'm fairly certain I've made a point here. If you disagree please do tell me why.
Edited by yevonite (10/05/09 09:43 PM)
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: yevonite]
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Love everything? No. But I don't hate anything. There are many bad things in the world and things I don't like, yet to hate these things would do no good. To hate would only be harming myself and possibly others around me.
To love the beauty of life is divine. And to spread love is even more so. The best I can do is spread my word to others. And to take the love other give me. And to at all costs stop hatred. I wouldn't kill anyone unless I had a very good reason (if I or a loved one was under attack or someone was otherwise posing a threat).
But there are somethings that shouldn't be loved. And that is my belief.
edit: And now that I think about it, OutThisLife, I really do think to love everything is extremely foolish. Because to love the bad things and people that do bad things in life, is NOT to conquer these things. If you say there are no bad things in life, you are ignorant or otherwise if you love bad things and people that do bad things, such as murder, then you are supporting a bad cause.
Knowledge and wisdom should govern love. Not everything should be loved. Save love for what is truly deserving of it.
Life is hard. Life isn't perfect. It's heard all the time and maybe cliche but "Life's a bitch - fuck it" is kind of true. Life will be hard at times, there will be times of no love. And the best one can do is to move on, cope in someway, metaphorically fuck it. Or maybe actually fuck it too.
Anyway the point is, don't love blindly and foolishly. Love is an ambiguous term anyway. Just because you say you love everyone and everything doesn't mean its a good thing. Actions speak louder than words.
I'm fairly certain I've made a point here. If you disagree please do tell me why.
You're thinking too much. That's okay though, I suppose. It's very easy to show somebody what they're doing is wrong and have them beg for some kind of forgiveness; then you tell them to not do that. You tell them to just lead their life without hatred from there on.
You're just not trying. You're assuming, you're sitting around doing nothing but thinking.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
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No, I'm actually rather serious.
I hate humanity - they're messing with my planet, they're ignorant and ugly... What is there not to hate? ...If you want to see nature, they will murder trees and print a colorful picture of nature on it.
Love isn't everything... I prefer knowledge and direct experience shared with the people you are attuned to during philosophical conversation in deep forests on herbal psychedelics.
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No, I'm actually rather serious.
I hate humanity - they're messing with my planet, they're ignorant and ugly... What is there not to hate? ...If you want to see nature, they will murder trees and print a colorful picture of nature on it.
Love isn't everything... I prefer knowledge and direct experience shared with the people you are attuned to during philosophical conversation in deep forests on herbal psychedelics.
agree totally.
mushrooms has made me attuned with nature, but it surely didn't make me love human nature more, did the opposite.
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That's funny, I've been there too. Nothing good comes out of it. The energy you put out is the energy you get and spread.
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That's funny, I've been there too. Nothing good comes out of it. The energy you put out is the energy you get and spread.
if they at least did no harm to nature i wouldn't feel this disgust for humans.
but till then, they are murderous, greedy bastards.
even tho i hate i don't focus on it.
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Yet you sit around and watch them continue in their confused mindset? Yet you don't try to change anything from within these people? You just assume they're stuck? Or you assume they actually believe what they're doing is right? Hmph.
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Yet you sit around and watch them continue in their confused mindset? Yet you don't try to change anything from within these people? You just assume they're stuck? Or you assume they actually believe what they're doing is right? Hmph.
that's the thing, there doing all this knowing fully what they are doing.
people don't give a shit and care for something as illusion as money.
there are good people in this world.
but it's the rotten ones in the bunch that ruin the beauty of the picture.
do you think there is none who gave such a view point as i have?
it has been don many times but people don't listen.
i don't conform to violence so if you got any valid ideas i would love to hear them.
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You're thinking too much. That's okay though, I suppose. It's very easy to show somebody what they're doing is wrong and have them beg for some kind of forgiveness; then you tell them to not do that. You tell them to just lead their life without hatred from there on.
You're just not trying. You're assuming, you're sitting around doing nothing but thinking.
First let me state, that I don't have anything against you at all. In fact, I do come to love most people I meet. That's because it's not people I don't like, it's the things that the DO that I sometimes don't like. And since what one does defines a person, too many bad actions could lead to me disliking a person.
Now, I'm disappointed that you said I am thinking to much. Not because I feel like you insulted me, but because I feel like people don't think enough. People don't use their brains a lot of the time.
It seems to me a disgrace with people don't use their ability to think. We're smart creatures, but so many of us like to be stupid. And I'm not calling anyone here stupid.
And no, it's not always "very easy" to show someone they are doing something wrong. Some people are so submerged in their way of things, so deep into their own rabbit hole, that they will never change, ever, no matter what you say. I don't know where you live, but I'm pretty sure you consider the plane crashes into the twin towers to be immoral, wrong. Now try telling the people that organized that to never do it again. People don't change just because you tell them something. Even your close friends. Through example and time people can change, and sometimes they need the push but it has to be their own initiative to change.
And finally, when you say that I am not trying, that I'm just sitting around and doing nothing but thinking, this bothers me to the core. It doesn't offend me, and it doesn't make me dislike you, but it greatly concerns me.
Why? Because don't you think that statement in itself is a HUGE assumption? I lead a life far more productive and inspiring than most people do. I say to others what I believe they need to hear and I listen to others for what I need to hear. I do what I believe believe down to my heart and soul to be right. I avoid mindless conversation and I avoid regression. I always push forward. I try to change the world as much as I can, and I do that by what I can change immediately around me.
Yes, I am always thinking, but I'm not always sitting. Instead I'm thinking and doing.
I get what you are trying to do, and I think its a good cause, but simply proclaiming Love is all won't do what you want it to. Spread your uniqueness, live a life of proactivity, and love without holding back. But don't hold back to opposing the things you disagree with and don't love. Again, I get what you are trying to do, and I respect it, but there is far more to leading life than Love.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: yevonite]
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"Yes, to an extent.
You should feel silly for holding people at fault for their own confused delusions. That's like kicking a puppy.
I would never hate somebody who does something out of anger. I couldn't; there are reasons for the anger and those reasons can be helped. Everybody thinks on the same structure, but the ego gets in the way."
"Yet you sit around and watch them continue in their confused mindset? Yet you don't try to change anything from within these people? You just assume they're stuck? Or you assume they actually believe what they're doing is right? Hmph."
I apologize if this is a double post. But here I find a contradiction in your reasoning. One should feel silly for holding one at fault for their confused delusions? It is not like kicking a puppy. A better metaphor would be screaming at a child for reasons they don't understand is like kicking a puppy.
If people are not held at fault for their confused delusions, if they aren't let it known to them, how would they ever even think of changing? You question it yourself in the second quote.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: yevonite]
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You sound very egotistical.
If we are not like you then there is something wrong with us.
I am very "At peace" with myself.
That doesn't mean I love other people who want to ruin everything.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: yevonite]
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I love your writing and I love the concept. I totally agree with everything you said and it pretty much sums up what I believe as well. It is hard for me to hate someone or to judge them based on what I hear or see. I think this is due to my mother, she was a great example for me and I never thought twice about trying to be like her....It just happened. I can honestly say it is easier for me to love everyone than to hate everyone. Being nice to someone seems to only result in a good outcome (Not always, but most of the time). On the contrary being mean to someone always seems to bring conflict and turmoil.
Being around friends who judge quickly and notice differences in people they hardly even know makes it harder to accept everyone for me. I try to stay positive and treat others as I would want to be treated. And truly what is better than seeing someone smile? Love love love...It makes me warm inside =D
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Turky]
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Great post dude. I agree completely.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: AdrianPsy]
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I have a question, one that I implied but you merely suggested that there is something wrong with me.
In fact it seems that anyone that disagrees with you has something that is wrong with them? whatever, maybe not.
Do you really love those who are greedy and action upon action prove they care not for the well being of the planet?
Why? why would you show them any love, those who prove constantly they care not for you, or anyone elses future.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Thisfire]
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I read through, and no I don't think everyone should be like me. But I don't see the reasoning for not loving somebody; I guess we both have that, though. I have my facts and you have yours.
I just know everybody can be "enlightened" - and I am willing to give it a shot.
Even if you disagree w/ me, I <3 you.
I hate their actions, not them.
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Well okay, I guess I can respect that.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: yevonite]
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You're thinking too much. That's okay though, I suppose. It's very easy to show somebody what they're doing is wrong and have them beg for some kind of forgiveness; then you tell them to not do that. You tell them to just lead their life without hatred from there on.
You're just not trying. You're assuming, you're sitting around doing nothing but thinking.
First let me state, that I don't have anything against you at all. In fact, I do come to love most people I meet. That's because it's not people I don't like, it's the things that the DO that I sometimes don't like. And since what one does defines a person, too many bad actions could lead to me disliking a person.
Now, I'm disappointed that you said I am thinking to much. Not because I feel like you insulted me, but because I feel like people don't think enough. People don't use their brains a lot of the time.
It seems to me a disgrace with people don't use their ability to think. We're smart creatures, but so many of us like to be stupid. And I'm not calling anyone here stupid.
And no, it's not always "very easy" to show someone they are doing something wrong. Some people are so submerged in their way of things, so deep into their own rabbit hole, that they will never change, ever, no matter what you say. I don't know where you live, but I'm pretty sure you consider the plane crashes into the twin towers to be immoral, wrong. Now try telling the people that organized that to never do it again. People don't change just because you tell them something. Even your close friends. Through example and time people can change, and sometimes they need the push but it has to be their own initiative to change.
And finally, when you say that I am not trying, that I'm just sitting around and doing nothing but thinking, this bothers me to the core. It doesn't offend me, and it doesn't make me dislike you, but it greatly concerns me.
Why? Because don't you think that statement in itself is a HUGE assumption? I lead a life far more productive and inspiring than most people do. I say to others what I believe they need to hear and I listen to others for what I need to hear. I do what I believe believe down to my heart and soul to be right. I avoid mindless conversation and I avoid regression. I always push forward. I try to change the world as much as I can, and I do that by what I can change immediately around me.
Yes, I am always thinking, but I'm not always sitting. Instead I'm thinking and doing.
I get what you are trying to do, and I think its a good cause, but simply proclaiming Love is all won't do what you want it to. Spread your uniqueness, live a life of proactivity, and love without holding back. But don't hold back to opposing the things you disagree with and don't love. Again, I get what you are trying to do, and I respect it, but there is far more to leading life than Love.
Agreed.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: AdrianPsy]
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Interesting to see all these different opinions about the subject...
I changed my mind! Let's find bliss in ignorance and just looooooove!!
Ok, maybe not.
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Yet you sit around and watch them continue in their confused mindset? Yet you don't try to change anything from within these people? You just assume they're stuck? Or you assume they actually believe what they're doing is right? Hmph.
that's the thing, there doing all this knowing fully what they are doing.
people don't give a shit and care for something as illusion as money.
there are good people in this world.
but it's the rotten ones in the bunch that ruin the beauty of the picture.
do you think there is none who gave such a view point as i have?
it has been don many times but people don't listen.
i don't conform to violence so if you got any valid ideas i would love to hear them.
Not so. I bet you gave them 4 grams and left them alone in the woods they would come back humbled. People can change. Don't judge them for who they are in their state of ignorance. Why not devote your life to awakening humanity?
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Poptart]
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You were insulted when I said that you thought too much, why? You know that thinking too much on something is a bad thing, I know you've thought about that before.
I'm a thinker too, and doing it all the time just leads to negativity.
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Love everything? Doesn't mindfulness and compassion make more sense? I love my boyfriend, I would do anything for him, but I do not love everything. Love is something I reserve for few things. Gosh, love is a worn out word these days... Anyway, on the other hand, I believe once you have experienced ego-loss, you become more compassionate and mindful of others. It's so hard to practice mindfulness when there is so much negative influence in the world. I hope that one day I will find my place so that I wont be worrying about the disease that is humanity any longer. I just want to live life for me, expand and fully embrace the human experience. Well... yeah. 
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This guy thinks he is better than everyone who doesn't agree with him because he has this idea to change the world with a 4 paragraph internet blog.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: LifeLike]
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This guy thinks he is better than everyone who doesn't agree with him because he has this idea to change the world with a 4 paragraph internet blog.
No, and if that's what you got out of it then I'm sorry.
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I think only God can love unconditionally. There is no end to his love. It's not like I can be God and be unharmed by society. What's there to love about getting shot by a gun or dealing with every day life annoyances? I think that's where the ego comes in and of course, learning how to effectively deal with a situation by balancing love and ego.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: astrogenic]
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I think only God can love unconditionally. There is no end to his love. It's not like I can be God and be unharmed by society. What's there to love about getting shot by a gun or dealing with every day life annoyances? I think that's where the ego comes in and of course, learning how to effectively deal with a situation by balancing love and ego.
You are god, though. You're your own god in a system of gods.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
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No, I'm actually rather serious.
I hate humanity - they're messing with my planet, they're ignorant and ugly... What is there not to hate? ...If you want to see nature, they will murder trees and print a colorful picture of nature on it.
Love isn't everything... I prefer knowledge and direct experience shared with the people you are attuned to during philosophical conversation in deep forests on herbal psychedelics.
Love is everything. All the things you just complained about would be completely eradicated if humans could learn universal love and compassion for everything. Everything would be Utopian and love is the ONLY way to obtain the type of society hippies like me dream about.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Poptart]
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Yet you sit around and watch them continue in their confused mindset? Yet you don't try to change anything from within these people? You just assume they're stuck? Or you assume they actually believe what they're doing is right? Hmph.
that's the thing, there doing all this knowing fully what they are doing.
people don't give a shit and care for something as illusion as money.
there are good people in this world.
but it's the rotten ones in the bunch that ruin the beauty of the picture.
do you think there is none who gave such a view point as i have?
it has been don many times but people don't listen.
i don't conform to violence so if you got any valid ideas i would love to hear them.
Not so. I bet you gave them 4 grams and left them alone in the woods they would come back humbled. People can change. Don't judge them for who they are in their state of ignorance. Why not devote your life to awakening humanity?
so i will drug people and put them in the woods?
sounds like a looong job.
and they say ignorance is bliss, more like a job well unspent.
other than that i do try to make people realize, just lots aren't willing to listen.
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Love is everything. All the things you just complained about would be completely eradicated if humans could learn universal love and compassion for everything. Everything would be Utopian and love is the ONLY way to obtain the type of society hippies like me dream about.
Good, go ahead and love stuff... Meanwhile, I'll keep hating the ones that don't.
Then when hippies become the standard and there is nothing left to hate, I will still hold dearly the beauty I see in negativity without hating.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
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Love is everything. All the things you just complained about would be completely eradicated if humans could learn universal love and compassion for everything. Everything would be Utopian and love is the ONLY way to obtain the type of society hippies like me dream about.
Good, go ahead and love stuff... Meanwhile, I'll keep hating the ones that don't.
Then when hippies become the standard and there is nothing left to hate, I will still hold dearly the beauty I see in negativity without hating.
I didn't need your permission haha, you have fun with that outlook 
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To love all is to blindly walk though life. To dream of a Utopian society is just that, a dream and only a dream. Life experiences are created out of "love" and "hate. We learn and teach through many means, don't limit yourself. I don't love everything around me, I save my love for what I believe truly deserves it, though my belief is my opinion, and so is my love.
What I try to do is understand, and appreciate, all that is around me. To know why people act the way they do. I'm not going to try and change a beings way of perception though frivolous words, instead do my best to know why they are the way they are and if they learn something from me then awesome because I certainly learned from them. A world full of hippy ass "love everything brah" is extremely horrible to think about, it would get very old very fast. Life is created though a multitude of experiences and feelings, to deny any is to dilute yourself.
Although, dilution isn't necessarily a bad thing I just believe it causes to much focus on only one aspect of life.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Protoman]
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I didn't need your permission haha, you have fun with that outlook
I didn't mean to sound hostile, it wasn't sarcasm either... Like I mentioned before:
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I'm not trying to bash your point of view though, if the entire world would be more like what you describe it would improve... Less preconceptions.
Until then (and probably after that too if it where the case to ever happen) it's just not for me.
Just to clear up any possible misunderstandings, friend.
I respect what you stand for as well.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Protoman]
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To love all is to blindly walk though life. To dream of a Utopian society is just that, a dream and only a dream. Life experiences are created out of "love" and "hate. We learn and teach through many means, don't limit yourself. I don't love everything around me, I save my love for what I believe truly deserves it, though my belief is my opinion, and so is my love.
What I try to do is understand, and appreciate, all that is around me. To know why people act the way they do. I'm not going to try and change a beings way of perception though frivolous words, instead do my best to know why they are the way they are and if they learn something from me then awesome because I certainly learned from them. A world full of hippy ass "love everything brah" is extremely horrible to think about, it would get very old very fast. Life is created though a multitude of experiences and feelings, to deny any is to dilute yourself.
Although, dilution isn't necessarily a bad thing I just believe it causes to much focus on only one aspect of life.
There is negative and there is positive, yin and yang, there is a balance. I know in order for there to be good there must be evil, for love there is hate. 'Loving everything' isn't summed up to what you believe that means, it's a way of life.
Walk through life knowing that everyone is on a different path and respecting this fact, hoping everyone finds everything they wanted to out of this world even if you don't understand it, helping whoever you can whenever you can, connecting spiritually and emotionally, do your best to listen and understand, being aware of how others are feeling and doing what you can to make them feel better if necessary, these are acts of love, this is loving, this doesn't mean I don't get angry, frustrated, or negative - that's human. Doing your best to stay rational and understanding is hard, but worthwhile.
All I know is since I've done my best to be light and love for whoever I may interact with in a given day, I've experienced the best streak of good and positive energy in my life I could have ever hoped for.
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No. I have been in frames of mind when I loved maybe 99% of that might occur to me, but there's always something that I cannot love. At my best, I love as much as I can and don't expose myself to what I can't.
Could you love the existence of child molesters or warmongers?
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: astronaut]
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No. I have been in frames of mind when I loved maybe 99% of that might occur to me, but there's always something that I cannot love. At my best, I love as much as I can and don't expose myself to what I can't.
Could you love the existence of child molesters or warmongers?
Agreed.
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You were insulted when I said that you thought too much, why? You know that thinking too much on something is a bad thing, I know you've thought about that before.
I'm a thinker too, and doing it all the time just leads to negativity.
Actually, I clearly stated that I was not insulted. I was concerned.
And here you make another assumption, and that is that I agree with you on "thinking too much on something is a bad thing."
I think I know what you are talking about. I think you are talking about DWELLING: Thinking too much, even obsessing, on past events or hopes for the future. Yes, this kind of thinking, that I call dwelling, can very well be a bad thing, if that's what you mean. However, this is a WAY of thinking, not thinking itself.
I completely disagree when you say thinking all the time leads to negativity. Everyone thinks all the time regardless of trying to or not. You can't help it but think, except for maybe the case of meditation, clearing your head of all thoughts, which most people in my experience cannot achieve.
So on the contrary, it seems to me that it is HOW one thinks that may lead to negativity, not the act of thinking in itself. Yes, it is ones THOUGHT PROCESS that leads to negativity, not thinking exclusively. The very fact that you said thinking too much leads to negativity makes your thought process questionable. Why don't you make notes of the way you think and what you think for a week, and see what you come up with? You might be surprised.
I have never felt insulted, upset, or any negative emotion throughout this entire thread. I have felt concern. I believe many people in today's society are extremely impulsive and behave in ways in accordance to what they are told or peer pressured to do. I believe many people are so caught up in the non-existent affairs happening inside their heads, that as they are walking down the street or driving their car, they forget to realize reality in it's fullness; They forget to see the trees and the sky and other people for as they are, and instead hold expectations of the way things SHOULD be.
I believe some people think for themselves so minimally, that its ALMOST like they aren't thinking at all.
I love Love. But your philosophy is deficient. One can not live a happy life by simply proclaiming Love is all. And by the way, I do not know how you define love, but since it is very ambiguous, let me say this. Love is different for everyone, and is ever changing. Love is different for every situation. Love is an experience. Love is a connection, a bond, between two people that in ways words cannot capture, makes people feel warm inside. That's my interpretation of it.
And when you spread your word of Love on this message board, when you say you love the people here, what kind of love is that? To me that isn't love. You may be a loving person, I don't doubt that, but how can you love me or anyone here, or anyone for that matter, without really knowing them first? Love is something that takes time, it isn't instantaneous. I'm sorry, but if you say you can full blown love someone at first interaction, or that you just love everyone in the world, then I think you are wrong and misleading yourself. Ask yourself, what is it that you love about everyone? We all exist. But we're all different. We all have a uniqueness to be loved. And our unique being can't be loved until it is learned.
My only intention here is to make you think beyond your current philosophy. Real love comes from inside, and always behaving in ways you know to be right. Outwardly proclaiming love is hardly the same.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: yevonite]
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And by the way, I do not know how you define love, but since it is very ambiguous, let me say this. Love is different for everyone, and is ever changing. Love is different for every situation. Love is an experience. Love is a connection, a bond, between two people that in ways words cannot capture, makes people feel warm inside. That's my interpretation of it.
And when you spread your word of Love on this message board, when you say you love the people here, what kind of love is that? To me that isn't love. You may be a loving person, I don't doubt that, but how can you love me or anyone here, or anyone for that matter, without really knowing them first? Love is something that takes time, it isn't instantaneous. I'm sorry, but if you say you can full blown love someone at first interaction, or that you just love everyone in the world, then I think you are wrong and misleading yourself. Ask yourself, what is it that you love about everyone? We all exist. But we're all different. We all have a uniqueness to be loved. And our unique being can't be loved until it is learned.
Then why are you discussing this? This is the point. You choose to define it, I'm just trying to see why people waste their time with negative thoughts when the door to positivity is always open.
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i only agree with one thing, don't dwell on the negative.
but blindly loving the evil is foolish.
say if i went and killed you're every family member and people you truly loved, would you still love me and think positive of it?
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i only agree with one thing, don't dwell on the negative.
but blindly loving the evil is foolish.
say if i went and killed you're every family member and people you truly loved, would you still love me and think positive of it?
Do you truly believe that "hating" will revive your family members?
I think the choice is quite clear here, it's either love or hate, no matter what you choose, the outcome will stay the same. So why not choose love for the sake of not ruining your own life by living in grudge until the day you die? Just an idea.
By the act of hating someone else, you damage your own brains releasing negative hormones. So the guy who you hate does double damage to you. That's not a very smart way to react is it?
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Diaboleros]
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...Most of you are taking negativity in a waaaay too conformist mindset.
An experience is an experience... You talk about love, yet fear and hate negativity as if it is not as neutral as positivity.
I'm personally open to everything that I don't personally hate due to direct experience or the direct experience of those I am attuned to.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
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Wow, who knew there were so many opinions on love!
Ok, it seems, there is a great many reasons to hate.
Such as, your child being molested or family member killed.
I would like to pose the idea that retaliation against that person who did those things.... is, in fact, love.
I love my family enough, that retaliation is the only way past that point.
I will forgive you when you are dead. I -do- realize that there are things in that persons life that have caused them to get all kinds of twisted, and that deep down , they are just like me.......... But, that doesnt relieve me of what I see as my honor and obligation to those who I love.
Now, to a side issue, "to hate" that person, BUT , not take action...... is worse that anything..... to the idea that hatred could be a good thing....... I agree, but only to that extent.....
Now, this next point will probably throw some off the train..... but.
Love and hate both are emotions, emotions are pretty pointless in and of themselves...... without action, they are just like masturbation.
Neither one is somehow "special" without the person who acts on them.
Open hatred is better than hidden love.
One is a genuine emotional response, because it flows out into the world........ the other is just confusion and self gratification. "he wouldnt understand if I told him how I felt" < delusional.
So , while I do view the emotional aspect of love and hate very similarly........ I do believe, love is the only way out from here.......
An example is :
I find it interesting how many people in this thread have said "the people who.....whatever" grouping together individuals into some huge amorphous entity that , I believe, exists MOSTLY in your own mind..........
SURE coorporations do things that are bad.
But, each one of those individuals is a unique being..... each one has his own trip...... just like you.
To hate everyone who is a lawyer is a waste of your time and energy. Maybe his dad forced him into it? maybe now he has kids to feed, a wife to support and a house to pay off? maybe he feels just as trapped and isolated and desperatly angry at the "system" as any one else is?
It is like kicking a dog.
Now, if hating the things lawyers do, causes you to raise up a lobby against nit-picky litigation...... the end result is the same as if you did it out of love for justice and your fellow man.
The difference is you.
So, in each moment, of each day, choose your own way.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Shad0w]
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^ gets it.
<3 you shad0w, your posts are always good great.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Poptart]
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That's funny, I've been there too. Nothing good comes out of it. The energy you put out is the energy you get and spread.
it is very true but i do beleive there is small hope with most of humanity but we cant do anything about their greed and ignorance they have to do it for them selves and they may realise this by us spreading love
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Diaboleros]
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i only agree with one thing, don't dwell on the negative.
but blindly loving the evil is foolish.
say if i went and killed you're every family member and people you truly loved, would you still love me and think positive of it?
Do you truly believe that "hating" will revive your family members?
I think the choice is quite clear here, it's either love or hate, no matter what you choose, the outcome will stay the same. So why not choose love for the sake of not ruining your own life by living in grudge until the day you die? Just an idea.
By the act of hating someone else, you damage your own brains releasing negative hormones. So the guy who you hate does double damage to you. That's not a very smart way to react is it?
i don't think hating them is the answer and it really doesn't make a difference to the cause.
but loving them for it is a stupid thing that i am pretty sure no one can do.
why not just take things neutrally ? has that came across minds of this board?
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Hey OutThisLife, I have a bit more I'd like to comment on, if you don't mind.
To be able to remain positive in the most hopeless of situations is a valuable character trait. I agree with you 100 percent there. I realize that my posts haven't necessarily been the most "loving and positive" but I don't think I've said anything untrue or negative. I value information, knowledge, and wisdom so that I may better love the truly beautiful things in life. The more you know, the more you understand. The more you understand, the more there is to love.
OutThisLife, I really like what you said in the last paragraph of your blog.
"Next time you meet somebody, don't judge them so quickly. Not even positively, unless that helps you. Just go and talk to them with no expectations of that person. People all have their own stories to share, for you to learn or take from. If somebody judges you, it's their problem, not yours"
I think this is by far the most wise thing I have read of your writing - especially the part about not having expectations of a person. You are SO right. Why should we have expectations of anyone? We can't really expect anyone but ourselves to behave or be certain ways. When getting to know someone all this is true all the more...when you really know a person, trust is established and so you expect them to be the way you know them to be.
Negativity and Dislike serve purposes, believe it or not. If there was only Love in the world, then I suppose I would say things would be perfect. However, we know we don't live in a perfect world. So the bad things in the world should be recognized and confronted for the sake of improvement!
"It's not for everybody, but it is an amazing thing to be able to love yourself and everybody.
I guess it takes a certain kind of person."
Yes, yes. To be able to love yourself, and more importantly, I think, to ACCEPT yourself, are key prerequisites in loving anyone. But to be able to love everybody does not seem to be possible. A more feasible love would be to love Life, and be appreciative of life, but that is not the same as loving everybody. To simply claim you love everybody isn't the same as loving everybody, can you see that? Hypothetically, for example, consider this for a moment. You walk by strangers everyday, and your senses tell you numerous things about them, the way they look, their body language, possibly even an interpretation their mood. But that doesn't tell you that you LOVE a stranger. You don't know him/her. This stranger can be and is completely unpredictable. They are a completely unique individual. So what is there to love about him/her if you don't know a thing about them? After all, all you know about this stranger is that he/she is alive and some information on the way they look, what they were wearing, and the body language they moved with.
You know they live. Life is a great thing to love - alright, good. Maybe this stranger was very attractive - Alright, good, great, they had good looks. My point is, I seriously doubt you could think of any reasons for loving that particular stranger for WHO they uniquely ARE because you don't know a single thing about who they are.
I know you probably think I'm over analyzing, but the thing is I think there is a big difference between loving everyone and being good to everyone. Spreading goodness and a positive attitude wherever you go, whoever you encounter, is a great quality to have. But to be able to honestly and unconditionally love anyone and everyone...we just don't have that capacity as human beings. We are creatures of flaw. It's much more practical to see good and spread good to new people you meet than it is to love them like you love your best friends and family. Love grows in time through experience after experience, in other words, it takes work.
"Honestly? I'd want to know why, and then go from there.
I can't let anger get in the way of my journey. "
I was reading back through the thread and came to this and it caught my attention.
You know, anger isn't always a bad thing. There are times when it is just to be angry, are there not? If I found out someone, a close friend, had been stealing from me out of my house I would certainly be angry with him, and righteously so! If I went up to him lovingly and positively asking "Would you please tell me why you have done this? I'd like to know," I would be sending him the message that it is okay for him to steal. If I went up to him angry he would be ten fold more likely to get the point that what he did was wrong and that I don't approve.
Anger can deliver messages that need to be delivered when a happy emotion can't. There is a fine line between healthy anger and unhealthy anger...but it is unhealthy to keep your anger bottled up all the time and it is unhealthy to get angry for the wrong reasons. But to not get angry at all - this means you aren't human.
"You are god, though. You're your own god in a system of gods. "
I think I know what you mean by this, but I'm not sure. You stated this pretty factually though I think it's more of an interpretation or a belief. Anyway, if you mean individuals are gods, then the system of gods must be comprised of humanity in it's entirety - all individuals. I think there is some truth to this certainly, human beings ARE divine (in my eyes), yet far from perfect. And due to the imperfect nature of human beings, I feel a better analogy would be "you are one fish in a vast ocean of many, and not all are the same size - some are growing, some are shrinking."
"Then why are you discussing this? This is the point. You choose to define it, I'm just trying to see why people waste their time with negative thoughts when the door to positivity is always open."
The reason I define and discuss it because love is an ambiguous word and since it is a prevailing topic of this thread, it should be defined, otherwise we might as well not have discussion because we could all be talking about totally different things. Another reason is because I've came across numerous assumptions about the word in this thread. I have made some assumptions myself, though I am aware of those I made and I tried to avoid the really big assumptions. You've made quite a few, I've pointed out some, and I don't want to point out any more, but there are MANY in your "to love is harder than to hate" blog and of course this thread as well.
The door to positivity is always open, you're right. But it's not as if you can ALWAYS be positive because terrible things do and will happen in life. It's sad but true. The door will always be open and will always be there, but there are times when grievance prevails inevitably.
I am a very positive person. My positive nature comes from thinking through options to find the best possible one for any given situation. I am also very concerned with truth and wisdom. Though, I think we at best underestimate what reality actually is.
I appreciate your cause once again. But a time will come when you realize loving everyone is impractical and not feasible. Stay positive man. Remain a loving and caring person. But realize you are one fish in the vast ocean, and one fish does not have the capacity to love all of them.
By the way, you've inspired me to start my own blog. I feel I too have much I can offer through my words.
<3
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I think pretending to love everything is unrealistic and childish, and not to mention inhuman. Our perception of love is amplified greatly by our past experiences of hatred. You can't have love without hate because nothing in this world is black and white. Love and hate are essentially polar opposites of the same emotion. You can't have love without hate, good without bad, happiness without sadness. Think about it, do you really love everything/everyone? Would you have loved Hitler if you had known him? I, for one, could never find it in myself to love someone who caused so much death and destruction, no matter how messed up in the head he may have been.
And love is defined differently by everyone, so this argument is basically meaningless anyway. I doubt when you're saying you love everything that what you're feeling is 'love' in the way most people would define the word. I think you're thinking of empathy. I can relate to extreme feeling of love/empathy after tripping. I can't watch violent movies for days after doing acid because they make me cry for the people getting hurt, but that doesn't mean I love those people or love the world. I wouldn't say I 'hate' humanity either, I just think the path we've gone down is sad, but that is human nature for you.
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Shad0w
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: yevonite]
#11210748 - 10/08/09 07:31 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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"If I found out someone, a close friend, had been stealing from me out of my house I would certainly be angry with him, and righteously so! If I went up to him lovingly and positively asking "Would you please tell me why you have done this? I'd like to know," I would be sending him the message that it is okay for him to steal."
Why would that be sending him a message to steal?
Here is how I respond...... Accusation + Question. "I know you did this. Why didnt you ask me?"
And then WHATEVER comes out of his mouth besides "I am sorry"....... starts to count against him.
If by the time we get into 2-3 excuses..... he hasnt made an apology and offer of reparation...... its over. Life is too short to deal with people who CANT love you back.
I am not trying to change his behavior.... I am trying to discern his spirit.
Anytime a situation like this comes up between me and the people I love......
To me, It isnt about modifying anyones behavior. You can do whatever you want, but you might not be able to do it with me.
It is about the same question that was origionally posed at the begining of the relationship : "Will you be my friend?"
And friends dont do that.
BTW, I would approach it "positivly" and out of LOVE for my friend, in other words I will hold the benefit of the doubt out for him....... I would not be smiling, but I would keep my tones level and confident, make the accusation sound like a statement, as well as the question.... NOT a plea.
The reason I do this is two fold..... one, I like friends  I hate to lose them. Friendship means a LOT to me.
And two....... this is a very disarming approach, it catches a GOOD lot of people off their game.......
People who do those sorts of things on the regular are very used to dealing with anger to their own advantage. With the tonal qualities staying away from anger OR sadness....... They will forget that they did anything wrong and skip the apology..... you catch them "red-handed".
LoL...... dang, I sound manipulative as hell.
I dont have many friends..... but the ones I do have I trust with my life.
My post is getting long, but re-reading this, I wanted to answer the origional question : How do you love everyone?
Its easy(er.said.than.done), I know they are just like me.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Shad0w]
#11248075 - 10/14/09 05:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eye on the TV
'cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavour
It happens to be like;
Killed by the husband
Drowned by the ocean
Shot by his own son
She used the poison in his tea
And kissed him goodbye
That's my kind of story
It's no fun 'til someone dies
Don't look at me like
I am a monster
Frown out your one face
But with the other
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie
While the mother
Holds her child
Watches him die
Hands to the sky crying
Why, oh why?
'cause I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
You all need it too, don't lie
Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
Neither the brave nor bold
The writers of stories sold
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
I need to watch things die
From a good safe distance
Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so
Why can't we just admit it?
Blood like rain come down
Drawn on grave and ground
Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivore and voyeur
Stare at the transmittal
Sing to the death rattle
La, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie
Credulous at best, your desire to believe in angels in the hearts of men.
Pull your head on out your hippy haze and give a listen.
Shouldn't have to say it all again.
The universe is hostile. so Impersonal. devour to survive.
So it is. So it's always been.
We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire
Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Sellith]
#11285331 - 10/20/09 02:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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i love you all!!! there are so many different opinions in this topic that make it so inspiring a tought on the prime force that drives the universe..i'd say it is not foolish to LOVE everything unconditionatly, n there are reasons, wonder why bother ourselves with such negativity when we can live n exsist on a higher vibe?!.. and since we are mirrors in resonance everyone with all the others it would have a very positive feedback from the sorrounding universe..
as a psychedelic dreamer i(n maybe also u) have learned that consensual reality is not an objective solid thing but in its deep essence it is a universe of pure ENERGY where nothing exsist as we know it but EVERYTHING EXIST IN A POTENTIAL FORM(like quantum physics says too),in a such reality theres not an observed detached from the observer n so our own reality really depends on ourselves.WE ARE COCREATORS OF CONSENSUAL REALITY.
so that said in a world as it is WHY NOT LOVING EVERYTHING IF SO WOULD BE DOING LOVE, CREATING LOVE AND A LOVING UNIVERSE????
that being said, thank you for so much passion and good spirit 
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: pSykArMa]
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Yes, when i'm "in the light" especially when on mushrooms I truely feel like I have LOVE for the whole fractal mess of existence. If I can sit and calm myself I can usually get to that place while sober.
I, however, truely do NOT love 5-meo-amt. That stuff is so icky.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: collinZzZz]
#11286485 - 10/20/09 05:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is love? Baby don't hurt me No moer.
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I dunno if your going to read this outthislife, but you a very smart person.
I see what you are saying now.
Peace my friend. ^_^
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Thisfire]
#11463333 - 11/15/09 07:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Love EVERYTHING? No, that kind of love is blind and meaningless it is shallow and unreasonable. There are terrible things in the world, things that shouldn't be loved and to not know this just means you live a sheltered life. Sure there are plenty of good things in life but there is a difference between being optimistic and loving everything.
Do I love Hitler? No. He killed millions of people.
Do I love fleas? No. They suck blood and carry disease.
Do I love Paper clips? No. They're useful but they're just bits of metal.
Do I love VHS? No. It's outdated and annoying.
Seriously I could go on but I think I've proven my point loving everything is silly and wrong.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: crazyboy25]
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crazyboy25 said:
Love EVERYTHING? No, that kind of love is blind and meaningless it is shallow and unreasonable. There are terrible things in the world, things that shouldn't be loved and to not know this just means you live a sheltered life. Sure there are plenty of good things in life but there is a difference between being optimistic and loving everything.
Do I love Hitler? No. He killed millions of people.
Do I love fleas? No. They suck blood and carry disease.
Do I love Paper clips? No. They're useful but they're just bits of metal.
Do I love VHS? No. It's outdated and annoying.
Seriously I could go on but I think I've proven my point loving everything is silly and wrong.
Every evil person has their place.
Evil is the opportunity for good to arise.
Do not hate them, but realize their actions are evil, and do not repeat them yourself.
They are a soul looking for peace, and were led astray.
realize that we are all connected at such a level, and are all one, truly one, then you'll find it hard to not love everything.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Thisfire]
#11463592 - 11/15/09 08:19 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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How is it possible to love everything if you have to hate something to love something else? Like me hating war means I love peace. I don't love war. So no, I don't love everything. I love most positive things.
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War is just a silly little game played by those with their big egos and big guns.
Isnt it cuuuute!!!?
Hehe.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Thisfire]
#11465383 - 11/16/09 05:13 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know if it really is about loving everyTHING. I sure do accept everything and I love a lot of things. Just not everything.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Thisfire]
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Thisfire said:
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crazyboy25 said:
Love EVERYTHING? No, that kind of love is blind and meaningless it is shallow and unreasonable. There are terrible things in the world, things that shouldn't be loved and to not know this just means you live a sheltered life. Sure there are plenty of good things in life but there is a difference between being optimistic and loving everything.
Do I love Hitler? No. He killed millions of people.
Do I love fleas? No. They suck blood and carry disease.
Do I love Paper clips? No. They're useful but they're just bits of metal.
Do I love VHS? No. It's outdated and annoying.
Seriously I could go on but I think I've proven my point loving everything is silly and wrong.
Every evil person has their place.
Evil is the opportunity for good to arise.
Do not hate them, but realize their actions are evil, and do not repeat them yourself.
They are a soul looking for peace, and were led astray.
realize that we are all connected at such a level, and are all one, truly one, then you'll find it hard to not love everything.
I bet if somebody broke into your house and murdered your mother, your opinion would shift a little bit. Just because I've taken a psychedelic and experienced oneness (which I definitely have) doesn't mean I love everything, I just draw connections between everything more easily.
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Shad0w
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Do I love Hitler? No. He killed millions of people.
Do I love fleas? No. They suck blood and carry disease.
Do I love Paper clips? No. They're useful but they're just bits of metal.
Do I love VHS? No. It's outdated and annoying.
Well, Hitler was probably a very nice little boy, I bet his grandkids thought he was great. While he may have done things that I dont think should be allowed. I dont think he was SO much different from any other person...... He was just a LOT more strong willed than most.
Fleas are an important part of the life cycle.... and even if they arent, They are alive..... just like you me and everything around us..... EVEN the very planet, surface to core, breathes.
Paper clips are immensly useful..... holding paper together temporarily..... scraping resin out a pipe..... erm.... did I say holding paper together temporarily.
VHS was the bomb diggity mo-fo. Just because you are to young to remeber it. Doesnt mean it doesnt matter to some. I have a small VHS martial arts collection. And I dont own a VCR anymore. 
I think your mind is less focused on love.
And more on self love.
See. Your definition of love limits you.
You are more willing to see the darker side of life. And I dont mean like rose sunglasses.
But, when you are continually conditioning your self with a sense of "unworthiness" , A feeling of not deserving love, or that you are incapable of loving another.
Dont you think that is where everyone else is at too? Humans are a broken species. I have yet to meet a "normal" one.
Every one of us defies our nature in some way. We are not the creation of this universe. Evolution is losing its firmest grip on our kind.
Expand your feeling/thought of love to include more than yourself, OR at the very least..... let your definition apply FULLY to your Self before worrying about who else to give it to.
This is not a lecture, Just thinking out loud..... It probably applies more to me than it does to you. 
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crazyboy25
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Shad0w]
#11488297 - 11/19/09 06:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shad0w said:
See. Your definition of love limits you.
Yes in this context I suppose it does but only because I consider "Love" to denote strong feelings, if I broadened my definition of love to a very loose interpretation it would lose meaning but I suppose I could say I love everything. But really what's the point of that?
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: crazyboy25]
#11489855 - 11/19/09 10:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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new rule: meditate on love on shrooms, before you post in this thread.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: showme]
#11490406 - 11/19/09 11:54 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, loving everything is stupid.
If you arn't selective about what you love, you are a love whore and the value of your love dollars goes down, because you are a pretentious fake, plus, you shouldn't love bad things. The only time you can really love everything is high as fuck, and even weed might not do it. We are human, we can't love everything. Even if you could, like I said, some things shouldn't be loved. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's good, look at terrorists, the plague, the atomic bomb, republicans, Hitler, and especially people from Wisconsin(I'm from Michigan, they are our U.S.S.R. )
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: doom876]
#11493565 - 11/20/09 02:04 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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doom876 said:
No, loving everything is stupid.
If you arn't selective about what you love, you are a love whore and the value of your love dollars goes down, because you are a pretentious fake, plus, you shouldn't love bad things. The only time you can really love everything is high as fuck, and even weed might not do it. We are human, we can't love everything. Even if you could, like I said, some things shouldn't be loved. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's good, look at terrorists, the plague, the atomic bomb, republicans, Hitler, and especially people from Wisconsin(I'm from Michigan, they are our U.S.S.R.)
Why would weed make a difference?
Epidemics are living beings too. Apparantly, very successful ones.
Terrorists are people who have limited their definition of love to include only Allah and other Muslims....... to the counterpoint of possessing a deep seated hatred for certain ideals. What if all the terrorists were suddenly aware of how similar we all actually are? What if they saw their flaws compared side by side with ours? What if for a moment, the differences didnt seem quite so different?
The atomic bomb....... ahhh, it is more than that. Nuclear power. Quantum physics. The "testing" of the atom was a huge leap for us scientifically.
Republicans are just as stupid as democrats. So I guess I miss your point on that one.
Hitler was previously addressed, But I could also add that we could give him some value in our culture for the simple fact that he ALTERED the course of our universe. Without him, the world would be a much different place..... for better or worse, we do not know.
What about alexander the great? or julius caesar? How come no one ever hates them?
You said : "If you arn't selective about what you love, you are a love whore and the value of your love dollars goes down, because you are a pretentious fake, plus, you shouldn't love bad things."
You said : " If you dont align with my ideals about love, you are a (insert random insult ) and the value of your love goes down(1). , because you are a (random insult ), plus , I believe in a absolute and objective moral value system."
(1) You are illogical. We COULD say that "love whores" value goes up because their love is more generous. and that you are a "love miser" and it grows cold because you dont share it with others, so you can barely love at all anymore...... But that is equally retarded.
You would be surprised to find out the "good" and "bad" things , for the most part, exist ONLY in your head.
IF Hitler had won....... You would think him a hero.
And you cant say "no, I am better than that." = this will simply express how little you have explored the darker regions of your own mind.
Perspective is everything.
Love is not "used up", It is only either "given" or "not given".
The choice is always yours. You can hate someone or something....... but what do you gain? Where is your puorpose?
Tis better to have love and lost, than to have not been a love whore.
I use a VERY loose definition of the word "love", Love is the Similarity of All Things. The defining difference between the animate, and inanimate. It can extend to mean, All Things within and without, At Peace. The absense of Fear.
As in : You can have my cookie, you dont have to earn it, I let go of my fear of starvation and trust in 'fate/god/universe/self/life" regardless. I have NEED of nothing, so everything is given to those in need.
IT isnt about anyone "deserving" your love ( AS IF it were so unique, or even "yours" ).
IT is about you willing to purposefully choose to be open and accepting without judgement......... just for a moment.
Why do you love your friends? I bet acceptance without judgement is a BIG ONE on the list.
Isolating and defining the boundaries........ Important life skill. But, when that concept moves beyond the physical, and into the spiritual....... A mistake has been made.
Closing off. Protectionism. Fear.
Why are you so scared?
( end rant ) sorry I got high.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Shad0w]
#11493926 - 11/20/09 02:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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doom876 said:
No, loving everything is stupid.
If you arn't selective about what you love, you are a love whore and the value of your love dollars goes down, because you are a pretentious fake, plus, you shouldn't love bad things. The only time you can really love everything is high as fuck, and even weed might not do it. We are human, we can't love everything. Even if you could, like I said, some things shouldn't be loved. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's good, look at terrorists, the plague, the atomic bomb, republicans, Hitler, and especially people from Wisconsin(I'm from Michigan, they are our U.S.S.R.)
Why would weed make a difference?
Epidemics are living beings too. Apparantly, very successful ones.
Terrorists are people who have limited their definition of love to include only Allah and other Muslims....... to the counterpoint of possessing a deep seated hatred for certain ideals. What if all the terrorists were suddenly aware of how similar we all actually are? What if they saw their flaws compared side by side with ours? What if for a moment, the differences didnt seem quite so different?
The atomic bomb....... ahhh, it is more than that. Nuclear power. Quantum physics. The "testing" of the atom was a huge leap for us scientifically.
Republicans are just as stupid as democrats. So I guess I miss your point on that one.
Hitler was previously addressed, But I could also add that we could give him some value in our culture for the simple fact that he ALTERED the course of our universe. Without him, the world would be a much different place..... for better or worse, we do not know.
What about alexander the great? or julius caesar? How come no one ever hates them?
You said : "If you arn't selective about what you love, you are a love whore and the value of your love dollars goes down, because you are a pretentious fake, plus, you shouldn't love bad things."
You said : " If you dont align with my ideals about love, you are a (insert random insult ) and the value of your love goes down(1). , because you are a (random insult ), plus , I believe in a absolute and objective moral value system."
(1) You are illogical. We COULD say that "love whores" value goes up because their love is more generous. and that you are a "love miser" and it grows cold because you dont share it with others, so you can barely love at all anymore...... But that is equally retarded.
You would be surprised to find out the "good" and "bad" things , for the most part, exist ONLY in your head.
IF Hitler had won....... You would think him a hero.
And you cant say "no, I am better than that." = this will simply express how little you have explored the darker regions of your own mind.
Perspective is everything.
Love is not "used up", It is only either "given" or "not given".
The choice is always yours. You can hate someone or something....... but what do you gain? Where is your puorpose?
Tis better to have love and lost, than to have not been a love whore.
I use a VERY loose definition of the word "love", Love is the Similarity of All Things. The defining difference between the animate, and inanimate. It can extend to mean, All Things within and without, At Peace. The absense of Fear.
As in : You can have my cookie, you dont have to earn it, I let go of my fear of starvation and trust in 'fate/god/universe/self/life" regardless. I have NEED of nothing, so everything is given to those in need.
IT isnt about anyone "deserving" your love ( AS IF it were so unique, or even "yours" ).
IT is about you willing to purposefully choose to be open and accepting without judgement......... just for a moment.
Why do you love your friends? I bet acceptance without judgement is a BIG ONE on the list.
Isolating and defining the boundaries........ Important life skill. But, when that concept moves beyond the physical, and into the spiritual....... A mistake has been made.
Closing off. Protectionism. Fear.
Why are you so scared?
( end rant ) sorry I got high.
I like how you think, I'll comment later on how I think about this.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: Glenners]
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OP is very wise for his age. 
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: burgatory]
#11494432 - 11/20/09 04:18 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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not everything but pretty much anything having to do with nature im fairly in love with. and drugs.
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IT is about you willing to purposefully choose to be open and accepting without judgement......... just for a moment.
It seems like new age douchebaggery for self important asses who want to act enlightened, with a little rationalizing and self delusion to overcome justified hate to boot. I've heard it all before, and that is usually the type who say it. Just my experience, nothing to you personally. I've just heard it all before.
You would be surprised to find out the "good" and "bad" things , for the most part, exist ONLY in your head.
Nope, rape and murder are pretty much bad, and your head is on wrong if you think it isn't.
Why are you so scared?
I scared of hippie foolishness. I don't gain from loving something bad, I only become a dumb ass professing my peace with something I shouldn't. Apathy isn't great.
IF Hitler had won....... You would think him a hero.
Maybe, though I'd like to think I'd still hate people who want to commit genocide by anything as trivial as religion or skin tone...though killing Nazi's would be nice. He didn't though, so that is just a guess.
Love and hate is a balance. Bitter at one end and foolish at the other.
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Not this weak travesty that let millions starve and sucks corporate cock while failing at every turn.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: doom876]
#11497390 - 11/21/09 06:06 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems like new age douchebaggery for self important asses who want to act enlightened, with a little rationalizing and self delusion to overcome justified hate to boot. I've heard it all before, and that is usually the type who say it. Just my experience, nothing to you personally. I've just heard it all before.
Not meaning you personally... but you cant intersperse "if , then" statements with rude remarks and expect the "arguement" to be taken seriously.
"justified hate"...... here we enter into your next mistake............. it exists only in your mind. Read on.
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You would be surprised to find out the "good" and "bad" things , for the most part, exist ONLY in your head.
Nope, rape and murder are pretty much bad, and your head is on wrong if you think it isn't.
The definition of its "goodness" or "badness" still exists mostly in between your ears. It is only "bad" because of a moral ideal. Moral ideals so not exist OBJECTIVELY. If you lost me on this one.... ask again.
Why are you so scared?
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I scared of hippie foolishness. I don't gain from loving something bad, I only become a dumb ass professing my peace with something I shouldn't. Apathy isn't great.
AGAIN, refer to the idea that you are being illogical.
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IF Hitler had won....... You would think him a hero.
Maybe, though I'd like to think I'd still hate people who want to commit genocide by anything as trivial as religion or skin tone...though killing Nazi's would be nice. He didn't though, so that is just a guess.
You would like to think so..... probably in the same way you would like to think that somehow you possess the innate ability and right to accurately judge all things under a absolute moral code..... God complex anyone?
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Love and hate is a balance. Bitter at one end and foolish at the other.
Love and hate are a balance......
If you care to read what I wrote earlier about hate, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11194641#11194641
If you loved the rapist, not like "mush" like all you pervs think of..... but in the sense that he is a broken human being..... somewhat damaged.
Wounded by the same world that has closed off your black heart from everything around you...........
Would this make you INCAPABLE of providing justice to the community?
And just to answer your insult..... I am not much of a hippy. I sometimes hate, or do not love. It is the human way..... but ...
I have an IDEAL, just like you, that IF we could all just open up.... stop being afraid..... get over ourselves..... stop judging.... and start caring about one another...........
Maybe, we could have a better world than we do now.
The point of fear for a lot of conservatives is the idea that "if we love everyone, we have to let murderers go!!!"
That is irrational and stupid. The idea of it, and the fear of the idea both.
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that was awesome. good job
i will try that from now on
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: sputnik34]
#11498463 - 11/21/09 11:16 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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u emo snot lol jk
life is shit because gorrillas are in control of the decent people
when your on x and you get beat by cops and told to sit like a dog and thrown in to a table by 3 cops and say i love you guys
your liveing in a dream world
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: mtichael]
#11498640 - 11/21/09 11:49 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know, right? He's living in a hippy fluff cloud of self deception.
I'm no sophist, I believe in moral absolutes, shadow. I don't need a god complex to make me confident when I say rape and murder is immoral. You do something like that, unless you are severely retarded, then you commited an unforgivable act. Be as broken as you want, only foolish people would forgive them. I say we just give em the chair. My heart isn't black. People make mistakes, but to rationalize them doesn't do justice to those individuals and the communities they hurt. The idea that morality is relative astounds me as much as those who make moral judgments without any basis but faith.
Here is how I think of it. I feel pain. I'd want to kill anyone who caused me a great pain(say, gang beat down), so if some gangsters slash someone's face like the NYC Bloods do, I think we should pull them in with no love or mercy and end them. The whole gang. You live and die for it, it might as well be conspiracy.
Conservatives don't believe that, they just have idiotic social ideas and focus on talking points because their base of gay and tax hating, fat white morons can't understand debate.
People need to be judged. It keeps them conscious enough that they don't do stupid things.
It is about crime. When we get a bunch of people wanting to forgive and rehabilitate criminals, when it's a statistical fact that you can't, then it's reflected in policy and puts GOOD people who DON'T break the law(important laws, not drug laws. violent criminals, neo-nazis, those toxic to good people) in danger.
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: doom876]
#11499032 - 11/21/09 01:07 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for posting that. I appreciate your point of view a lot more now.
I find it hard to stomach the idea that any absolute morality -can- exist in an entirely objective world.
Unless..... we admit God into the equation. 
But, I can understand what you are saying.
I dont think judgement and love are mutually exclusive ideas.
We can judge someone or something without hating it/them.
Rapist = pretty bad for society on a lot of levels. Is there a such thing as reform? is it possible for a murderer or rapist to come to their senses and change their ways?
I still give em a chance..... Even if it in their next life. I cant demonize them SO much that I am unable to sympathize and even understand, maybe even realize that it wasnt ALL their fault.
This does not mean, that I wouldnt kill someone who raped someone, and I had the oppurtunity.
I know the guy is cracked in the head, his parents were probably some real winners too........
But then, the victim isnt probably all that mentally stable either...... this difference between them, is minimal. One took a step farther than another.
Look at the kinky shit people get into sexually. A minor difference..... one motion closer , until it is "over the line".
Neither the rapist or the raped probably learned good boundaries, or any sort of boundary control. Human respect probably wasnt taught in their households either.
I can identify with both of them equally on a human level. I dont think either of them are very happy on the inside.
BUT......... if we let the rapist go.
UNLESS he got saved and born again ..... He will repeat. IT is simple conditioning. He has learned an outlet for some sort of emotional baggage..... and it is met without consequence.
He may deserve to die according to a concensus of respect among most of us as human beings. And again, I would surely kill him if it were my family, And I can only hope that I wouldnt hold him in contempt for much longer than his last breath.
But, that doesnt mean I NEED to look at him as unloving, unloved, or unlovable... there is nothing inherantly different about him from me...... the only differences are in our minds. Most rapists were raped. same for pedophiles, violent people were given good examples of violence.
Cycle of death. Gotta try to change it up somehow.
Thats how I see it. We are all in the same boat. The differences which make an angel and a monster are very slim. The similarities on a fundamental level, are almost scary.
The motto is : People can change, But they usually dont.
The belief of first part of that is love, the last part is justification for justice.
Actually I have a movie recomendation for you. IT is called 'Stevie' some indie home-made crap.....
But, it kinda shows you a more human side of this sort of bullsh1t thats in the world. Got me choked up a few times. Almost made me barf a few times to.....
Anywayz, Thanks for sharing your viewpoint so well. And we might just end having to agree to disagree.
I am still intrigued by the idea of an absolute objective moral value system. Who decided what was right and wrong?
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Re: Do you love everything? [Re: mtichael]
#11499359 - 11/21/09 02:10 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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u emo snot lol jk
life is shit because gorrillas are in control of the decent people
when your on x and you get beat by cops and told to sit like a dog and thrown in to a table by 3 cops and say i love you guys
your liveing in a dream world
thats clearly why we he sai du have to think rationally. u can love any1 and every1. some ppl just dont get the concept o floving ur enemies. to fucking moronic to understand what the real point of it is. those ppl never tend to grow up mentally or in wisdom, just real fucking idiots.
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