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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Which is nothing more nor less than a tax increase which will take more money out of private hands and put it in government control. But that is nothing for you.
It'd be about a $3,000/year tax increase for me. Again, I think it's dumb that everyone making under $100k pays 6% FICA, while those making more pay a smaller percentage. But we can argue back and forth about what we believe until we're blue in the face. All that really matters is what our elected officials believe.
Well, first of all, they don't pay 6%. They pay 12.4%, half of which is hidden if you work for a paycheck. But when your benefits are calculated you get back based on what you paid in during your lifetime. You want to eliminate that and cap benefits. You also want to increase taxes on everyone who makes more than 106,000 a year by 12.4% on their last dollar. With no chance of ever getting that money in increased bennies. That isn't just a tax increase. That is a complete Columbian police station backroom beating. Those people already pay almost all the taxes and just because you can't stop spending you want to fuck them like no one has ever fucked them before.
Please, just go live in Cuba. Nobody has any money there, you'll be happy and over your sense of resentment.
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 Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: zappaisgod]
#11187808 - 10/05/09 02:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Please, just go live in Cuba. Nobody has any money there, you'll be happy and over your sense of resentment.
Show me a country with lower tax rates than the US that is successful. Plenty of countries do just fine with higher tax rates (Western Europe).
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Please, just go live in Cuba. Nobody has any money there, you'll be happy and over your sense of resentment.
Show me a country with lower tax rates than the US that is successful. Plenty of countries do just fine with higher tax rates (Western Europe).
The welfare state is sure working swell over in Europe. America became great by doing things differently. Fuck imitating euro-trash.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11187951 - 10/05/09 03:00 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The welfare state is sure working swell over in Europe. America became great by doing things differently. Fuck imitating euro-trash.
If they weren't doing so well, I'd say fuck them too. Norwegians now make more than Americans. And get better benefits.
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Mr.Al
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The welfare state is sure working swell over in Europe. America became great by doing things differently. Fuck imitating euro-trash.
If they weren't doing so well, I'd say fuck them too. Norwegians now make more than Americans. And get better benefits.
Upon looking at Norway it does appear that they are heavy into the welfare state way of life. Their economy isn't fucked yet.
It takes time for socialist welfare to inflict serious damage to the economy.
Can you explain how welfare helps strengthen the economy?
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11188221 - 10/05/09 03:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can you explain how welfare helps strengthen the economy?
I'm actually not claiming it strengthens the economy. I'm saying civilized nations should (and do) have some forms of welfare, and that they manage to get by with it just fine.
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Can you explain how welfare helps strengthen the economy?
I'm actually not claiming it strengthens the economy. I'm saying civilized nations should (and do) have some forms of welfare, and that they manage to get by with it just fine.
If it does not strengthen the economy then I would surmise that it weakens it. The problem with welfare from the government is that politicians like to bribe people with more of it over time. It places a financial drain on the producers of wealth in the economy and gives free shit to those who are not productive. Punishing productivity and rewarding sloth is not a recipe for prosperity or freedom.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
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I suppose you would rather go back to the sharecropper system then.
Disgusting.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: crookedjunk]
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I suppose you would rather go back to the sharecropper system then.
Disgusting.
What are you talking about?
I also don't like welfare because the government uses it as bribery. It's like "Don't fucking complain when we take away your freedom and anything else we do that you don't like because we're giving you free money."
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11191244 - 10/05/09 11:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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What are you talking about?
I also don't like welfare because the government uses it as bribery. It's like "Don't fucking complain when we take away your freedom and anything else we do that you don't like because we're giving you free money."
What are YOU talking about?
I hear this all the time about "taking away freedom". I'm as much for personal freedom as anyone. Taxes always have and always will be around, so if you're talking about tax freedom, you're living in a fantasy land.
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And here we have yet again someone arguing that because there is any of something that means more is completely justified. In this case taxation. No, that is crap reasoning.
All taxation involves a restriction of freedom. Every fucking penny. When that penny is taken away you are no longer free to spend it as you see fit. The more pennies you lose, the more freedom you lose. The IRS is the single greatest agent of oppression in the US.
Norway is a socialist beacon of success, right? Guess why. Hint, it isn't because of socialism:
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Norway is the world's fifth-largest oil exporter and third largest gas exporter, providing much of western Europe's crude oil and gas requirements. In 2006, Norwegian oil and gas exports accounted for over 50% of total merchandise exports.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3421.htm
5 million people and a workforce of 2.5M, almost all of the same religious and ethnic group, with very little immigration.
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"The export value for natural gas reached 21.2 billion Norwegian crowns ($3.08 billion), which is the highest ever recorded," Statistics Norway said in a statement. The value of Norway's crude oil exports was 18 billion crowns in January.
Excluding oil and gas exports, the trade deficit slimmed to 9.9 billion crowns in January from 11.7 billion in December, but was up from 9.1 billion in January a year earlier. Norway's petroleum sector accounts for about a quarter of GDP and about half of total exports.
http://in.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idINLG14118920090216
Every man, woman and child there is spotted $1,000 in oil exports, which account for 25% of their GDP. That will cover up a lot of Marxist sins.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: crookedjunk]
#11192307 - 10/06/09 07:44 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I suppose you would rather go back to the sharecropper system then.
it had many benefits including encouraging the lessee to work harder for
a larger harvest while having very few drawbacks, a sharecropper gets
use of the land and equipment of the land owner in exchange for his work
and a portion of his crop, the risks are the same for both parties, the
other option is the rental of land and equipment in which the lessee
keeps the whole crop but has to pay out of pocket for everything or they
are simply employees of the land owner and get none of the crop but a
meager wage instead.. ag wages are typically the lowest in the nation
if we turned welfare into workfare it would benefit the taxpayer, the
government and the recipient, the recipient wouldnt be getting a free
paycheck for watching oprah but would instead learn the value of that
paycheck while the tax payers would reap the benefits of that recipients
labor
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: zappaisgod]
#11192890 - 10/06/09 09:55 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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And here we have yet again someone arguing that because there is any of something that means more is completely justified. In this case taxation. No, that is crap reasoning.
The proposals are to increase taxes on the wealthy closer to where they were before we started having these massive deficits which all started under Reagan. If you're making under $100k, don't worry about it, you won't be affected. If you're making over $100k, then an extra few percent tax isn't going to break you, and I don't feel sorry for you, no matter how much whining you do.
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Norway is a socialist beacon of success, right? Guess why. Hint, it isn't because of socialism:
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Every man, woman and child there is spotted $1,000 in oil exports, which account for 25% of their GDP. That will cover up a lot of Marxist sins.
The United States produces over three times as much oil as Norway. How much are Americans spotted? Nothing? Too bad, since you clearly think it would help.
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We produce 3 times as much and have 60 times the population. Are you a comedian?
And of course you don't care that the wealthy pay almost all of the taxes and what's a little bit more. Because you aren't one. I think we should have a 100% tax on whatever income range you're in. We can narrow it down so it's only you. Who cares? It's only one schmuck being screwed.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: zappaisgod]
#11193576 - 10/06/09 11:53 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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We produce 3 times as much and have 60 times the population. Are you a comedian?
We don't even get $50.
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And of course you don't care that the wealthy pay almost all of the taxes and what's a little bit more. Because you aren't one.
I just said I'd be willing to give an extra $3k per year in order to save social security. But my $3k alone won't save it; it will take everyone else who earns $100k+.
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I think we should have a 100% tax on whatever income range you're in. We can narrow it down so it's only you. Who cares? It's only one schmuck being screwed.
I believe the more you earn, the more you should keep. But if the poor pay 6% FICA, then so should the rich. Tax breaks on the rich are bankrupting the country. You're the comedian here.
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But if the poor pay 6% FICA, then so should the rich.
And if the poor receive benefits in exchange for all taxed income, so should the rich, right?
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Redstorm]
#11193781 - 10/06/09 12:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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But if the poor pay 6% FICA, then so should the rich.
And if the poor receive benefits in exchange for all taxed income, so should the rich, right?
Social Security is for those that need it. If the rich have no money when they are old, then yes, they'll get it too.
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We produce 3 times as much and have 60 times the population. Are you a comedian?
We don't even get $50.
Of course not. We are a net importer of oil. Duh.Quote:
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And of course you don't care that the wealthy pay almost all of the taxes and what's a little bit more. Because you aren't one.
I just said I'd be willing to give an extra $3k per year in order to save social security. But my $3k alone won't save it; it will take everyone else who earns $100k+.
Wow, what a guy. Here's what your proposed tax increases are
200K........$12,000
300K........$24,000
400K........$36,000
$3,000 you want to pay. What a fucking prince.Quote:
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I think we should have a 100% tax on whatever income range you're in. We can narrow it down so it's only you. Who cares? It's only one schmuck being screwed.
I believe the more you earn, the more you should keep. But if the poor pay 6% FICA, then so should the rich. Tax breaks on the rich are bankrupting the country. You're the comedian here.
Tax breaks on the rich? What tax breaks would those be, oh great unicorn hunter? The rich pay far more in taxes proportionately to their income than the poor. And it has only gone up since these fallacious tax "cuts" were enacted under Bush. The rich aren't bankrupting the country. The bums are.
As far as Soc Sec:
The poor pay 12.4%. Everybody up to $106,000 pays that. Your benefits at retirement are tied to your lifetime payments. You want to increase the payment ceiling without a benefit increase. You want to increase taxes on the wealthy by, holy fucking shit, 12.4%!!!!!! That's draconian. Just to perpetuate a Ponzi scheme that has grown way beyond anyone's original intent.
As a nod to saving this fiasco I will agree to forego any benefits if I never have to pay another dime into it. I'm 52. They can keep the fucking money they already hosed me out of and shove it up their commie asses but stop asking for more. How's that?
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zappaisgod
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But if the poor pay 6% FICA, then so should the rich.
And if the poor receive benefits in exchange for all taxed income, so should the rich, right?
Social Security is for those that need it. If the rich have no money when they are old, then yes, they'll get it too.
Bullshit, Karl. Everybody gets retirement benefits from Soc Sec regardless of need and based solely on what they paid in. And it isn't 6%. It's 12%.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: zappaisgod]
#11194270 - 10/06/09 01:44 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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More analysis of the complete and utter cornhole Falcon would like to inflict on those making more money than him:
Small business
Owner makes 1,000,000
10 employees make 200,000 each
40 employees make 50,000 each
If we eliminate the ceiling on income for soc sec one of two things will happen. Either the employees in the 200,000 range pay an additional 12% on their last 100,000 or they pay 6% and the employer pays the 6%. First scenario:
Owner pays the 6% contribution:
His tax goes up $108,000 plus 10 times 6% of $100,000 or $60,000 for a total of $168,000 (in addition to the $300,000+ he already pays). (Call an ambulance!!!!!!!)
Each 200K guy's taxes go up $6,000 for $60,000.
But no owner will ever do that
Or he cuts the employee pay by the employer contribution:
Owner tax goes up $108,000 (in addition to the $300,000+ he already pays) (Whoa!!!!!!)
Each 200K employee's tax goes up $6,000 (times 10 is $60,000) and his income goes down $6,000.
But the employees don't pay federal, state or local tax on that lost $60,000. Lost tax revenue on guys in that tax bracket varies by state but it is $20,000 to $25,000. Ponzi tax up, other tax down, income down, loss of self esteem, increased suicide, cats and dogs sleeping together.
This is no small tax, it is a complete and total rape. Raperape to Whoopie.
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