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CaptainTrips
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people taking tripping too seriously?
#11156614 - 09/30/09 10:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

So...I've been getting kind of frustrated with people who take tripping really seriously (and I know that sounds kind of contradictory, as I'm posting on the shroomery :P) but I mean, what happened too the Merry Pranksters way of tripping? On so many threads I see people trying to read into trips so much, but by thinking so in depth, they completely miss the simplicity of it. It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view. I know that this thread hasn't been well thought out either (I'm pretty tired hah) and that lots of you probably disagree.
I don't really know how to explain what I mean from this, but it just seems people are forgetting about the "let's just have a good time" aspect of tripping in favor of the "let's figure myself out" aspect. If that makes sense.

I want to hear all your opinions :smile:

and I'm not trying to flam that way of tripping in any way, to each his own.

EDIT

And I am in no way saying tripping is not important or serious :P it's just I tripped with a guy who only wanted to meditate on it a little while ago, and I really wanted to go adventuring. I didn't really enjoy the trip.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11156639 - 09/30/09 10:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

anytime i've tried to find the meaning of life in a trip i end up freaking myself out, and when i just try and have fun i end up finding secrets to the meaning of life. i'm feeling ya.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: h00ligaN]
#11156669 - 09/30/09 10:58 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly! SO many people try to force these things or search so hard for them they miss them. It's just frustrating to see for me, and even more frustrating when I'm tripping with people who only want to meditate and sit in dark rooms (which can be awesome, but for 8 hours?? it isn't worth it)

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11156699 - 09/30/09 11:05 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

yeah.. i just coaxed my wife last weekend to take some bomb ass doses with me and aimlessly walk around town. she was wanting to look at stuff like glow sticks and crap. i don't ever see her wasting time on glow sticks after the wicked visuals we had that night! we weren't headed anywhere.. just adventuring and talking. best time ever.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11156710 - 09/30/09 11:08 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I agree.

People try to hard to find the meaning of life.

But nobody ever finds the meaning of life when there looking for it. :tripping:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: h00ligaN]
#11156729 - 09/30/09 11:12 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Haha those are the best nights.

Glow sticks can be quite ridiculous sometimes though :P I remember one night I was at a music festival dosed on .5 molly, 4g shrooms, and 2 hits of acid (also quite a bit of rum- we were dressed as pirates so it was a requirement, haha). ANyway, we were all tripping mass, and they had set up this (approx.) 12ft glowstick stick man. It was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11156745 - 09/30/09 11:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I am with you on tripping to have fun. I don't need a drug to see the flaws in my life personally.

Furthermore, I don't want a hallucinogenic substance changing who I am.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11156755 - 09/30/09 11:19 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

There are times to feel and times to think. You have to go with what your mind wants to do during that particular experience, if you force yourself to be introspective obviously that's not a good thing but it also isn't smart to ignore any thought processes and realizations about your life or self-view that you might have.

People who have read into their trip enough to post threads or input on this forum about their realizations or confusion, obviously did get introspective and want advice from others or to put it into words. it doesn't mean they didn't enjoy the trip, for me the most "feel good" trips are the ones where I really analyze my situation - I cleanse myself and feel completely renewed and ready for what life has in store.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Legalize]
#11156768 - 09/30/09 11:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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echoesSG said:
I agree.

People try to hard to find the meaning of life.

But nobody ever finds the meaning of life when there looking for it.

Haha very true :P I don't think we're supposed to find the meaning of life during the course of our lifetime. I believe that's what creates lots of acid casualties. This constant search for a meaning.

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Legalize said:
I am with you on tripping to have fun. I don't need a drug to see the flaws in my life personally.

Furthermore, I don't want a hallucinogenic substance changing who I am.

Agreed

*EDIT*

I agree with you too gangster, but I just think there's a middleground that's lots of people forget about. I think there's a point where trying to find the meaning causes more problems than it solves

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Edited by CaptainTrips (09/30/09 11:31 AM)

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Legalize]
#11156811 - 09/30/09 11:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Furthermore, I don't want a hallucinogenic substance changing who I am.

Too bad. If you've already taken any hallucinogen it's already happened.

You are changed every second of every day......with every sound you hear it's implanted in your memory, and you can never go to before that sound......as par with dosing....you will always have that experience to reflect upon, so you can and ALWAYS will be changed from it....

As for the op

Some people don't see the forest for the trees, and spend the whole time lost in it trying to find them :shrug:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11156856 - 09/30/09 11:34 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: NlightNd1]
#11157000 - 09/30/09 11:52 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I think this happened to me and it backfired. Tripping became weird for me. Atleast mushrooms. I have to get back to the fun part. Instead of being all anxious. I think I just forgot how to flow with it.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: NlightNd1]
#11157118 - 09/30/09 12:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: ShroomDoom]
#11157180 - 09/30/09 12:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

i like to have "fun" trips and "deep" trips, they are both amazing, i like to enjoy the best of both worlds

tripping is simply the shit and i like to explore my high in every way that i can

sometimes i decide what it is im wanting from a trip before i dose and then i just do it. usually between fun, spiritual, or self exploring

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#11157216 - 09/30/09 12:28 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

generally trying to learn a valuable lesson isn't much fun, but rather enlightening. I don't see anything wrong in wanting to spend your trip meditating(to each his/her own, like you said). Not everyone will think it's fun to drop acid and venture out. You especially have to take into consideration the location of the tripper. I know that for myself, going outside is a horrible idea. Maybe if I lived near some awesome landscapes or safe/open areas. I can learn just as much about the outside world(and there inside one..whoaa dude :grin:

) sitting in a dark room than being outside. regardless, it's enjoyable depending on the comfort of the trip. I think taking psyches in public events would cause more people to be put off by it, rather than meditating at home IMO.

Knowledge can very well lead to depression(which is why many just want to have fun on substances), but that is a hump that you need to overcome to become reborn. Realizing that you spent too much time in your life "just trying to have fun" can also become depressing when you become older. I don't think there is a right way or a wrong way..it's all just "your" way.

well, unless you just play in traffic with that shit, then it's the wrong way! :crazy2:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: tracedwards313]
#11157250 - 09/30/09 12:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'd rather see people taking it too seriously than people using substances irresponsibly and without respect for themselves or for the substance.

It's disappointing when I hear about people who have had a 'bad trip' after taking a drug in combination with alcohol (or any number of other chemicals), or while trying to use shrooms as a 'party drug', and then they wonder why they didn't have a good time.

That said, I'm all for adventuring. It's fun to trip without any particular goal in mind, but I don't think that negates the need for preparation and respect.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: ForeverAndBack]
#11157368 - 09/30/09 12:58 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

"Too seriously???" '"TOO SERIOUSLY" that is BLASPHEMY...The Psychedelic Inquisition will be around to your home in short order with brands and pincers (and salvia) to hear your full confession and correct that attitude. These "partyers" must not be allowed to corrupt.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: ForeverAndBack]
#11157429 - 09/30/09 01:07 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I respect psychedelics very much because of their ability to alter your perceptions so drastically. But I defiantly try to take the experiences with a grain of salt. The bottom line is that the drug is simply altering your perception of reality... so many people try to make that into so much more than it really is. I mean, psychedelics have shown me amazing things... but at the same time, they've taken me the other way and showed me that I'm really not very important in the grand scheme of things. A lot of people tend to take themselves too seriously, and in turn try to pretend their experiences are much more important than they really are and take psychedelics too seriously.

I'm all for being safe and having a good time while learning a bit about myself in the process. So many people are quick to proclaim psychedelics are the end all be all or an entry to the spirit realm or some other crock of horse shit. They're just so delusioned and can't make sense of such profound experiences they end up making it into so much more than it is and taking it way too seriously.

The drugs are changing your brain chemistry and therefore altering your perception of reality, it is what it is... I personally don't feel the need to pretend it's anymore than that- but I guess I could see why some would.

This is coming from someone who's done LSD 100+ times, Mushrooms quite a bit, various RC's, DMT, Salvia, and all that good stuff. I'm not a noob who will learn in time, I'm the opposite... I'm a guy who started out believing in all kinds of horse crap and then learn to take myself less seriously over the years.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11157510 - 09/30/09 01:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

sometimes its not so simple. every time I tripp thinking its gona be a blast and have alot of fun. I end up loosing my mind, and its fucks with me. So for a while now I have ben reading up and "preparing for it" taking it seriously. mushrooms put you in the passanger seat, them being the driver. yea you could have fun and roll with it. but what if the driver decides to hit a wall, or slam on the breaks. you have to be prepared for it.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11157568 - 09/30/09 01:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

i suppose the indigenous people of the Amazon are just wasting their time then? centuries upon centuries of "psychedelic" use and you think they would have got it by now that they are just looking too hard?

bologna.

..I honestly feel many of you have missed some key points, regardless of the amount of times you have taken LSD or whatever entheogens it may be.

Perhaps some of you aren't taking trips serious enough and give it the respect it deserves. It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11157634 - 09/30/09 01:31 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I respect psychedelics very much because of their ability to alter your perceptions so drastically. But I defiantly try to take the experiences with a grain of salt. The bottom line is that the drug is simply altering your perception of reality... so many people try to make that into so much more than it really is. I mean, psychedelics have shown me amazing things... but at the same time, they've taken me the other way and showed me that I'm really not very important in the grand scheme of things. A lot of people tend to take themselves too seriously, and in turn try to pretend their experiences are much more important than they really are and take psychedelics too seriously.

I'm all for being safe and having a good time while learning a bit about myself in the process. So many people are quick to proclaim psychedelics are the end all be all or an entry to the spirit realm or some other crock of horse shit. They're just so delusioned and can't make sense of such profound experiences they end up making it into so much more than it is and taking it way too seriously.

The drugs are changing your brain chemistry and therefore altering your perception of reality, it is what it is... I personally don't feel the need to pretend it's anymore than that- but I guess I could see why some would.

This is coming from someone who's done LSD 100+ times, Mushrooms quite a bit, various RC's, DMT, Salvia, and all that good stuff. I'm not a noob who will learn in time, I'm the opposite... I'm a guy who started out believing in all kinds of horse crap and then learn to take myself less seriously over the years.

You just explained everything I tried and failed to explain :smile:

thank you. I have a few friends who have become paranoid mental cases (not meaning the in any demeaning way honestly, they are still my friends) because they believed in psychedelics so much...and while psychedelics can show you so much, you can't take them literally.

And what is life if not to enjoy yourself and have a good time? We are all our own part to this giant machine we call our world, might as well enjoy ourselves. :laugh:

just my personal opinion :smile:

Thanks for all the insights everyone :smile:

I'm enjoying this, keep them coming :laugh:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: ForeverAndBack]
#11157669 - 09/30/09 01:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd rather see people taking it too seriously than people using substances irresponsibly and without respect for themselves or for the substance.

It's disappointing when I hear about people who have had a 'bad trip' after taking a drug in combination with alcohol (or any number of other chemicals), or while trying to use shrooms as a 'party drug', and then they wonder why they didn't have a good time.

That said, I'm all for adventuring. It's fun to trip without any particular goal in mind, but I don't think that negates the need for preparation and respect.

I agree with this the most.

But, I can totally understand how dissapointing it would be to plan a trip with someone, and then they just want silent darkness.... when I am feeling like a walk.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11157706 - 09/30/09 01:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Like others have said before I'd rather someone take it to seriously than not enough.

I even take weed seriously.

I meditate every day and practice yoga and get the prana/chi flowing in me then every sunday I meditate for about a half an hour and then take two hits and meditate and practice yoga for the duration of my high. I almost had a kundalini awakening just off of weed alone.

Most people don't know you can get yourself higher off of intent.

Having introspective/spiritual experiences are fun in my opinion.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Poptart]
#11157807 - 09/30/09 01:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Like others have said before I'd rather someone take it to seriously than not enough.

I even take weed seriously.

I meditate every day and practice yoga and get the prana/chi flowing in me then every sunday I meditate for about a half an hour and then take two hits and meditate and practice yoga for the duration of my high. I almost had a kundalini awakening just off of weed alone.

Most people don't know you can get yourself higher off of intent.

Having introspective/spiritual experiences are fun in my opinion.

Taking drugs (if practicing Buddhist anyway) while you meditate is very counterproductive isn't it?

From what I've learned the purpose of meditation is to bring you to the present moment and achieve the clearest state of mind possible, while the purpose of psychedelics is to generally remove yourself from, well, the present moment and look at life through a different window.

I can agree though that it does have really interesting effects when you mix the two (I meditate every morning and night, half hour) and occasionally trip at the same time.

I personally enjoy seeing how far I can push myself with psychedelics though, I love going out in public and meeting new people. I've made so many friends just taking molly or LSD and wandering around with a few close friends doing crazy fun stuff. Whenever I try to figure something out in a trip, I tend to get delusional, and I come out of the trip unrefreshed and I feel like I haven't really done much. I mean, sometimes I love just trippin out in my room and listening to floyd, but usually I just love going nuts. When I'm too busy exploring my mind I tend to forget to look at the beauty of the world around me.

Just because I want to have a more recreational experience doesn't mean that I'm not taking it seriously.

Also please don't take anything I say personally :smile:

I understand that sometimes I'm a little blunt with things, I do respect your opinion very much :smile:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11157818 - 09/30/09 01:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

though i agree one shouldn't go into a trip expecting a certain out come... whatever it may be. but the difference is fundamental in people. some can have fun and enjoy themselves at that is it. others, like myself, have no other choice but to take them seriously. if i try to take these things recreationaly or abuse them by making a habit out of them they slap me with a reality check that is very unpleasant. maybe thats why some take them 'seriously'.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11157825 - 09/30/09 01:58 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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i suppose the indigenous people of the Amazon are just wasting their time then? centuries upon centuries of "psychedelic" use and you think they would have got it by now that they are just looking too hard?

bologna.

People have also been worshipping invisible god's in the sky and doing other absurd things for centuries. That doesn't mean they're right or that I should have to agree with them...

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It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.

Then what exactly is it for? It's a subjective oppinion. I hate when people try to be all knowing and tell others how you should and shouldn't use/perceive psychedelics. People can take psychedelics as seriously or as unseriously as they want... as long as they arn't hurting anyone else or trying to impose their beliefs on others.

It's all about what the individual person gets out of it, and if all that happens to be is a weird experience, then hey- why not. Or some mystical gate to the spirit realm- hey, whatever floats your boat dude.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11157910 - 09/30/09 02:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11157947 - 09/30/09 02:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Like others have said before I'd rather someone take it to seriously than not enough.

I even take weed seriously.

I meditate every day and practice yoga and get the prana/chi flowing in me then every sunday I meditate for about a half an hour and then take two hits and meditate and practice yoga for the duration of my high. I almost had a kundalini awakening just off of weed alone.

Most people don't know you can get yourself higher off of intent.

Having introspective/spiritual experiences are fun in my opinion.

Taking drugs (if practicing Buddhist anyway) while you meditate is very counterproductive isn't it?

From what I've learned the purpose of meditation is to bring you to the present moment and achieve the clearest state of mind possible, while the purpose of psychedelics is to generally remove yourself from, well, the present moment and look at life through a different window.

I can agree though that it does have really interesting effects when you mix the two (I meditate every morning and night, half hour) and occasionally trip at the same time.

I personally enjoy seeing how far I can push myself with psychedelics though, I love going out in public and meeting new people. I've made so many friends just taking molly or LSD and wandering around with a few close friends doing crazy fun stuff. Whenever I try to figure something out in a trip, I tend to get delusional, and I come out of the trip unrefreshed and I feel like I haven't really done much. I mean, sometimes I love just trippin out in my room and listening to floyd, but usually I just love going nuts. When I'm too busy exploring my mind I tend to forget to look at the beauty of the world around me.

Just because I want to have a more recreational experience doesn't mean that I'm not taking it seriously.

Also please don't take anything I say personally I understand that sometimes I'm a little blunt with things, I do respect your opinion very much

Damn nothing against you. I'm just sick of that horse shit being tossed around.

Just because lots of dipshits run around claiming mediation and drugs don't work together doesen't make it true. Experiment and see for youself if they work together.

The wave of thoughts that come to the surface of your mind when you meditate on weed is just your brain decompressing all the thoughts stored in your head that you normally suppress. After a while you will come into pure silence and the boundery between the inner and outer world dissolve.

People claim they think for themselves but they really don't. Most of us are still asleep running around and looking for others to confirm their view of reality.

Try this then come back to me and tell me that weed and meditation don't work together with a straight face.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

First you have to remove yourself from the mainstream cultural matrix that society has created. Then you got to take it one step further and step out of the matrix your fellow trippers have created if you want to know the truth.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11157949 - 09/30/09 02:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Taking drugs (if practicing Buddhist anyway) while you meditate is very counterproductive isn't it?

From what I've learned the purpose of meditation is to bring you to the present moment and achieve the clearest state of mind possible, while the purpose of psychedelics is to generally remove yourself from, well, the present moment and look at life through a different window.

Maybe thats where the difference is.

Psychedelics tend to make me feel MORE connected to life, not removed from it.

The present moment freezes for an eternity while the mind-frame stands perfectly still, serene and immovable...... The awareness of the lack of activity suddenly dis-rupts the clarity of the water.

Meditation is AMAZING on droogz!!!

Maybe it is our goal and intent with the drugs that make one side seem "serious" or "stupid"?

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11157995 - 09/30/09 02:30 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I never said they don't work together - in fact I said they have interesting effects together, I have meditated on many many drugs, but if you are looking for the traditional way...that is how it works. Personally having tried both meditated on drugs can be a lot more interesting, but meditating sober gets a lot more done (for me).

Again, this is all just personal experience (which I do have a decent amount of :wink:

hahaha) and opinion. I'm not trying to be an ass, just devils advocate :laugh:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11158015 - 09/30/09 02:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I think I could agree with that.

Hmmm.....

I dont know, I mean, I feel that I fit both catagories, I love to have a care-free fun time.

But, at the same time, I SEE THINGS MAN!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Cant really help which way it goes, or when.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11158038 - 09/30/09 02:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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People have also been worshipping invisible god's in the sky and doing other absurd things for centuries. That doesn't mean they're right or that I should have to agree with them...

Well, you certainly don't have to agree with anybody. Use of entheogens have been occurring much before people worshiped invisible god's in the sky. That is indeed absurd(religious dogma) I agree, however, where do you come off thinking that prehistorical usage of substances equally compares to religious belief in invisible gods? Do you personally know that they believe in such imaginations? Just curious as to how you think they come hand in hand.

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Then what exactly is it for? It's a subjective oppinion. I hate when people try to be all knowing and tell others how you should and shouldn't use/perceive psychedelics.

It is a subjective opinion indeed and I never said I knew exactly the purpose of it is, but it's quite obvious that there is much to learn from these substances, like it or not. I am sure that there is a much more profound reason as to why we have access to such natural wonders that tap us back into our roots. Culture has certainly changed the outlook on drugs, and that's why it is used for entertainment. Can't you agree with that even at all? also, how or when was I trying to be "all-knowing" or tell people how they should or shouldn't use drugs? I am simply defending the power of these drugs because it's a shame to see that some people are knocking the true believers of the divine. You don't have to sit and meditate if you don't want, but don't go bashing people that feel it is beneficial to their divinity. In actuality, you seem to be "all-knowing" in your previous statement which I originally replied to because you claim that you know its all horse shit because you are not a noob to trips.

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It's all about what the individual person gets out of it, and if all that happens to be is a weird experience, then hey- why not. Or some mystical gate to the spirit realm- hey, whatever floats your boat dude.

Agreed, but this sounds a little different from your previous statement....."So many people are quick to proclaim psychedelics are the end all be all or an entry to the spirit realm or some other crock of horse shit. They're just so delusioned and can't make sense of such profound experiences they end up making it into so much more than it is and taking it way too seriously."

seems like you are trying to force feed your personal beliefs as well

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11158086 - 09/30/09 02:51 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

See I can agree with all that...but there are so many people I know that forget to just chill out, put on some tunes and groove.

You can learn so much about yourself by going to a music festival and just listening to wicked music and dancing - but it doesn't require meditation or sensory deprivation. I guess that's what I mean by all this, there's more to learning about yourself than spirituality and stuff. Sometimes we forget that the simplest things can be the most fulfilling.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: NlightNd1]
#11158108 - 09/30/09 02:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.

Well put my friend.When I first started(over 10 years ago) I did it just to have fun and adventure.Now after countless trips later I have discovered how therapeutic psychedelics can be.
When I trip now I still trip to just have a good time, but there is also many trip that I take that are for the soul purpose to better myself.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11158170 - 09/30/09 03:08 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Like others have said before I'd rather someone take it to seriously than not enough.

I even take weed seriously.

I meditate every day and practice yoga and get the prana/chi flowing in me then every sunday I meditate for about a half an hour and then take two hits and meditate and practice yoga for the duration of my high. I almost had a kundalini awakening just off of weed alone.

Most people don't know you can get yourself higher off of intent.

Having introspective/spiritual experiences are fun in my opinion.

Taking drugs (if practicing Buddhist anyway) while you meditate is very counterproductive isn't it?

From what I've learned the purpose of meditation is to bring you to the present moment and achieve the clearest state of mind possible, while the purpose of psychedelics is to generally remove yourself from, well, the present moment and look at life through a different window.

I can agree though that it does have really interesting effects when you mix the two (I meditate every morning and night, half hour) and occasionally trip at the same time.

I personally enjoy seeing how far I can push myself with psychedelics though, I love going out in public and meeting new people. I've made so many friends just taking molly or LSD and wandering around with a few close friends doing crazy fun stuff. Whenever I try to figure something out in a trip, I tend to get delusional, and I come out of the trip unrefreshed and I feel like I haven't really done much. I mean, sometimes I love just trippin out in my room and listening to floyd, but usually I just love going nuts. When I'm too busy exploring my mind I tend to forget to look at the beauty of the world around me.

Just because I want to have a more recreational experience doesn't mean that I'm not taking it seriously.

Also please don't take anything I say personally I understand that sometimes I'm a little blunt with things, I do respect your opinion very much

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I never said they don't work together - in fact I said they have interesting effects together, I have meditated on many many drugs, but if you are looking for the traditional way...that is how it works. Personally having tried both meditated on drugs can be a lot more interesting, but meditating sober gets a lot more done (for me).

Again, this is all just personal experience (which I do have a decent amount of hahaha) and opinion. I'm not trying to be an ass, just devils advocate

What do you mean meditating sober gets a lot more done?
And who is to say how it works?
I'll play devils advocate as well and we'll see where this takes us.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Poptart]
#11158270 - 09/30/09 03:27 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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What do you mean meditating sober gets a lot more done?
And who is to say how it works?
I'll play devils advocate as well and we'll see where this takes us.

Haha I like you :p
For me meditating sober helps me solve my personal conflicts a lot more. It's hard to explain, as everyone's different, but I can achieve a much clearer state of mind sober. For my view of meditation, it just makes more sense to do it sober. I get very distracted by CEV's and I can never clear my thoughts while tripping...well I guess I shouldn't say I can't, but I don't really want to if that makes sense. I love getting taken away on trips by small amounts of meditation, but it's more just to enhance the trip. I have more intention and clarity sober.

Some would for sure argue that I have problems I haven't faced or yada yada, but it's just in my personality. Also, I don't remember many of the realizations that I get whilst tripping. I can't tell you how many times I've had these "amazing" realizations on mushroom trips but when I came down, they weren't there anymore.

What's your view?

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11158393 - 09/30/09 03:48 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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So...I've been getting kind of frustrated with people who take tripping really seriously (and I know that sounds kind of contradictory, as I'm posting on the shroomery :P) but I mean, what happened too the Merry Pranksters way of tripping? On so many threads I see people trying to read into trips so much, but by thinking so in depth, they completely miss the simplicity of it. It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view. I know that this thread hasn't been well thought out either (I'm pretty tired hah) and that lots of you probably disagree.
I don't really know how to explain what I mean from this, but it just seems people are forgetting about the "let's just have a good time" aspect of tripping in favor of the "let's figure myself out" aspect. If that makes sense.

I want to hear all your opinions and I'm not trying to flam that way of tripping in any way, to each his own.

EDIT

And I am in no way saying tripping is not important or serious :P it's just I tripped with a guy who only wanted to meditate on it a little while ago, and I really wanted to go adventuring. I didn't really enjoy the trip.

Everyone wants different things out of their psychedelic experiences.

Im not one to screw around on psychedelics unless Im on acid. Acid to me has more of a prankster spirit (same with 2C-B) where as mushrooms have a more spiritual feeling to them. I really cant just fuck around like I can on acid when Im on mushrooms.

The Merry Pranksters did acid and shit ton of other drugs. From what I remember reading they still had a semi-serious agenda behind everything. They still had a point they were trying to get across but were trying a more playful approach.

No I didnt read the thread.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: TTT]
#11158419 - 09/30/09 03:52 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

i cant imagine taking an ayahuasca or peyote ceremony lightly. it may seem as simple as "just an alteration of perception" but in my experience that is far from the truth.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: ShroomDoom]
#11158457 - 09/30/09 03:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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i cant imagine taking an ayahuasca or peyote ceremony lightly. it may seem as simple as "just an alteration of perception" but in my experience that is far from the truth.

I was going to add those along with DMT but since I have no experience with them I decided not to.

Ive seen them classed in the same category as mushrooms as being traditional/spiritual healers. My trips on mushrooms have all been like that, and I wouldnt treat a mushroom/peyote/ayahuascatDMT rip any differently than that.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11158677 - 09/30/09 04:30 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I love this conversation very much. I feel like I am in a strange place. Maybe I am gullible or a follower or whatever, but I've always, always been a person who thought there was MORE. MORE to life than just feeding appetites. When my normal belief systems were proven to be bullshit I started looking for new ways into the "deep" and the "real". I haven't have an actual intentional trip yet. And maybe I'm full of shit, and maybe it is just a new cult for me, but I believe there are ways and paths and doors to better understanding and appreciation of what it means to exist as these meat bags that we are. And if religion doesn't help, maybe psychedelics can open some new understanding for us.

It just seems likes being human is a huge experience we should make the most of, and I'd so love to find some trail that helps.

Maybe I am just full of shit and it is all just about breathing. But damn.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: frogstool]
#11158722 - 09/30/09 04:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

LOL!

frogstool..... I like you, hope you post back with your trip once you do.

Once in awhile..... it is good to remember that it IS all about breathing......

In.

And out.

And it KEEPS ON BEING ALIVE!!!!!!!! :heart:

The post I put in your other thread is because I am kinda worried that you are looking for a 'replacement' for religion...........

Makes me sad. :sad:

I think you should try to work out some of the issues you have with your religious upbringing, you know, come to PEACE with it.... ...... or maybe make -that- a goal for your first trip, instead of tripping off into fairy-land. :mushroom2:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11158776 - 09/30/09 04:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Shad0w...I know I have a lot to overcome with my upbringing! I don;t necessarily want shrooms as a replacement, but maybe as a key to another door that opens to another path?! Who knows?

But I do know for sure that I don't want to slam any doors prematurely.

Thank you so much for your compassion and guidance! I have a sense that I'll have my trips with my boyfriend for whatever they are, and I may have some more "religious" trips on my own to explore, and be okay with that...and we'll see what happens.

But I know I'll take your kindness and wisdom with me wherever I go, so thank you.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11158907 - 09/30/09 05:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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What do you mean meditating sober gets a lot more done?
And who is to say how it works?
I'll play devils advocate as well and we'll see where this takes us.

Haha I like you :p
For me meditating sober helps me solve my personal conflicts a lot more. It's hard to explain, as everyone's different, but I can achieve a much clearer state of mind sober. For my view of meditation, it just makes more sense to do it sober. I get very distracted by CEV's and I can never clear my thoughts while tripping...well I guess I shouldn't say I can't, but I don't really want to if that makes sense. I love getting taken away on trips by small amounts of meditation, but it's more just to enhance the trip. I have more intention and clarity sober.

Some would for sure argue that I have problems I haven't faced or yada yada, but it's just in my personality. Also, I don't remember many of the realizations that I get whilst tripping. I can't tell you how many times I've had these "amazing" realizations on mushroom trips but when I came down, they weren't there anymore.

What's your view?

Well I honestly have only tripped a couple of times and that was before I picked up meditation.

For the past couple of months I have just been meditating daily as well as practicing yoga. I became very familiar with my mind and how it worked. During my meditations however I had persistant thoughts would keep resurfacing and woulden't go away no matter how much I returned my attention to my breathe.

I was abstaining from weed at the time because I was looking for a job and wanted to pass a drug test. I finnally got a job and decided to smoke some weed.

I meditated about a half an hour before smoking. I then loosened my body up with some yoga and pracited body awarness techniques. Then I took my first toke and returned to my breathe. This was my first time going into a high already conciously aware and relaxed.

WOW. I had never been so high in my life! I felt every single particle of my body vibrate with life and vitality! I felt the chi/prana flow through me and started chanting. I started with low chants to stimulate the lower chakras first and worked my way up the scale. Eventually I stopped chanting and just focused on my breathe. In...out...in...out the sound of my breathe was soothing and put my mind to sleep yet I was ever present and alert at the same time. With each inhale I felt as if I was sucking in light and each exhale was realeasing negative energy.

The union of my breathe reminded me of the divine yin yang - and + duality that makes the universe as it is. Without darkness their can be no light. Without fear their is no love. Without evil their is no good.

After my breathe put my mind to sleep I decided to do some yoga and was amazed at my new found flexability and body awarness.

Fuck I just realized I almost typed out a whole report.

Anyways I'm very passionate about combining drugs with meditation and think it's something everyone should experiement with.

The next day after the high it felt like I never really came down and my mind was more silent then it had ever been.

And I have been able to reach higher and higher high's ever since.

Seriously try this out.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Poptart]
#11158942 - 09/30/09 05:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Every person is different and every drug effects every person in a different (sometimes similar) way. What might be a happy party high for some might be a serious and very deep high for others

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: NlightNd1]
#11159143 - 09/30/09 05:39 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: TTT]
#11159223 - 09/30/09 05:53 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Seriously try this out.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

That's a pretty awesome link - I'm out of Bud right now, but I'll definitely give it a shot when I pick up :smile:

I don't know, but for me it's really interesting seeing just how far the sober mind can go. I mean, we all know that a drug will alter your perceptions, but there's never too much thought about how limitless yourmind in general is.

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The Merry Pranksters did acid and shit ton of other drugs. From what I remember reading they still had a semi-serious agenda behind everything. They still had a point they were trying to get across but were trying a more playful approach.

That's what I'm trying to convey :smile:

the middleground. You have to know your limits, but as long as you can be honest with yourself and you aren't hurting anyone around you, I'd say go for it! :smile:

my view on this is kind of like my view on religion. I think it is definitely a very important part of our culture, and I do believe there is a greater spirit. However. When people take it too seriously and try force their opinions on you, it becomes frustrating. (Not bashing religion - at all :smile:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11159293 - 09/30/09 06:03 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Seriously try this out.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

That's a pretty awesome link - I'm out of Bud right now, but I'll definitely give it a shot when I pick up

I don't know, but for me it's really interesting seeing just how far the sober mind can go. I mean, we all know that a drug will alter your perceptions, but there's never too much thought about how limitless yourmind in general is.

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The Merry Pranksters did acid and shit ton of other drugs. From what I remember reading they still had a semi-serious agenda behind everything. They still had a point they were trying to get across but were trying a more playful approach.

That's what I'm trying to convey the middleground. You have to know your limits, but as long as you can be honest with yourself and you aren't hurting anyone around you, I'd say go for it!

my view on this is kind of like my view on religion. I think it is definitely a very important part of our culture, and I do believe there is a greater spirit. However. When people take it too seriously and try force their opinions on you, it becomes frustrating. (Not bashing religion - at all )

That's just the thing though. Practicing meditation on and off drugs has made my sober meditations deeper. I am easily able to slip into a trance and I've been noticing lots of changes in my perceptions lately. It's like I will get high and come down a little higher than I was before and I just keep building off of that. But it's important to take breaks with weed. I only smoke about once a week. I find it's best for the body/mind/spirit.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11159345 - 09/30/09 06:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I get where you're coming from as I myself have wanted to go adventuring on trips as well and if my friends wanted to stay in and meditate instead, I'd be errked.

but lately, I've been really needing a trip that teaches me more about myself and where I currently am and what I need to get done cause I've been in a pretty bad place, so those are the kind of trips that I'm trying for. Ironically, when I have it set in my mind this is what I need, my trips are not very helpful at all; compared to trips on a whim with friends as those have turned out to be much more insightful.

So people are just at different phases and moods...

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Poptart]
#11159372 - 09/30/09 06:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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That's just the thing though. Practicing meditation on and off drugs has made my sober meditations deeper. I am easily able to slip into a trance and I've been noticing lots of changes in my perceptions lately. It's like I will get high and come down a little higher than I was before and I just keep building off of that. But it's important to take breaks with weed. I only smoke about once a week. I find it's best for the body/mind/spirit.

Ahhh that could explain lots - I only take a day pot break when I feel the need to meditate sober.

I normally blaze all day every day.

Today is one of my days off :smile:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11159400 - 09/30/09 06:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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desiretoheal said:i suppose the indigenous people of the Amazon are just wasting their time then? centuries upon centuries of "psychedelic" use and you think they would have got it by now that they are just looking too hard?

While the indigenous people of the Amazon were busy tripping to learn about totem spirits and other spiritual tripe, the rest of the world invented modern civilization. So yeah, it was pretty much a waste of time.

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..I honestly feel many of you have missed some key points, regardless of the amount of times you have taken LSD or whatever entheogens it may be.

Perhaps some of you aren't taking trips serious enough and give it the respect it deserves. It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.

Just like the internet. The internet is serious business, and should never be used for entertainment.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11159412 - 09/30/09 06:17 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

dont try to expect anything, i say....everything will find u. anytime i trip and i try to find answers and stuff i end up becoming paranoid about other irrelevant stuff. if i just relax and stuff and dont worry bout nothing i end up having revelations find me on their own.

and if they dont find me who fucking cares. im enjoying myself. thats what matters.

but i also feel the other side too. lots of ppl have already had "fun trips" too much and are seeking something more spiritual. some get it the first time and our satisfied, others go overboard and become obssessive with having to find themselves and stuff.

if i do meditate i meditate with no expectations...just mellow and zone out and go into that trance and everything finds me.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: gogyra]
#11159455 - 09/30/09 06:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Because "modern civilization" isnt a waste of time?

I think I missed the point.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11159464 - 09/30/09 06:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

actually modern civilization is a waste of time along with ancient civilization as well. pretty much all civilization is a waste of time. im not even going to began to explain why. too many ppl would argue.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: whatdidusay]
#11159683 - 09/30/09 06:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I just let the trip do what it will do.

And so far it hasn't let me down. ^_^

If I get really insightful, well.. Ill let it happen.

Otherwise I go at it with a "This is what I saw, and what I felt" attitude when im sober looking back, instead of thinking with a sober mind about something I saw while tripping and trying to explain it to myself while sober. It doesn't work like that I don't think.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11159692 - 09/30/09 06:50 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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That's just the thing though. Practicing meditation on and off drugs has made my sober meditations deeper. I am easily able to slip into a trance and I've been noticing lots of changes in my perceptions lately. It's like I will get high and come down a little higher than I was before and I just keep building off of that. But it's important to take breaks with weed. I only smoke about once a week. I find it's best for the body/mind/spirit.

Ahhh that could explain lots - I only take a day pot break when I feel the need to meditate sober.

I normally blaze all day every day.

Today is one of my days off

Ya smoking weed all day is defiantly a hindrance. I used to be an every day stoner and it got me nowhere. I seriously recommend you take a week or two off of weed and just practice sober meditation and then try this out.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

Once I did this and threw in my own spin to it my life really took off. I feel like I'm undergoing a major metamorphosis. But ya this is just what has worked for me and I can't speak for everyone but if you are serious about expanding your conciousness in all directions try it out.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: gogyra]
#11159979 - 09/30/09 07:26 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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desiretoheal said:i suppose the indigenous people of the Amazon are just wasting their time then? centuries upon centuries of "psychedelic" use and you think they would have got it by now that they are just looking too hard?

While the indigenous people of the Amazon were busy tripping to learn about totem spirits and other spiritual tripe, the rest of the world invented modern civilization. So yeah, it was pretty much a waste of time.

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..I honestly feel many of you have missed some key points, regardless of the amount of times you have taken LSD or whatever entheogens it may be.

Perhaps some of you aren't taking trips serious enough and give it the respect it deserves. It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.

Just like the internet. The internet is serious business, and should never be used for entertainment.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11160011 - 09/30/09 07:31 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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So...I've been getting kind of frustrated with people who take tripping really seriously (and I know that sounds kind of contradictory, as I'm posting on the shroomery :P) but I mean, what happened too the Merry Pranksters way of tripping? On so many threads I see people trying to read into trips so much, but by thinking so in depth, they completely miss the simplicity of it. It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view. I know that this thread hasn't been well thought out either (I'm pretty tired hah) and that lots of you probably disagree.
I don't really know how to explain what I mean from this, but it just seems people are forgetting about the "let's just have a good time" aspect of tripping in favor of the "let's figure myself out" aspect. If that makes sense.

I want to hear all your opinions and I'm not trying to flam that way of tripping in any way, to each his own.

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And I am in no way saying tripping is not important or serious :P it's just I tripped with a guy who only wanted to meditate on it a little while ago, and I really wanted to go adventuring. I didn't really enjoy the trip.

people genuinely believe that mushrooms or acid or any psychedelic are gifts from god and somehow that they aren't drugs that get you high.. they are drugs that do something other than get you high and therefore deserve a lot more respect. IE people thinking that mushroom trips HAVE to be spiritual or whatever. they don't.

i've had some of the best, pure fun times on shrooms of my life. never once did i over analyze it or think that the mushrooms were showing me some unseen knowledge. i mean, i personally can get my mind in order more by doing some coke or speed or opiates before psychedelics.

basically what im saying is, most people who eat shrooms turn into stereotypical hippies :lol:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zSDMF]
#11160229 - 09/30/09 08:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

just because you choose to ignore spiritual aspects of the substance, doesn't necessarily mean it is not present..but that's totally fine.

As long as you are getting good vibes and don't cause harm to others, enjoy it.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zSDMF]
#11160230 - 09/30/09 08:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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people genuinely believe that mushrooms or acid or any psychedelic are gifts from god and somehow that they aren't drugs that get you high.. they are drugs that do something other than get you high and therefore deserve a lot more respect. IE people thinking that mushroom trips HAVE to be spiritual or whatever. they don't.

they don't have to be spiritual. in fact people can go into a trip looking for fun and have a life changing experience at the same time. its happened to me before.

these are natural masterpieces of the biological canvas. when you think about how far these things evolved to make chemicals that allow them to be in a relationship with the human brain...its amazing. whether or not you believe in a creator i think these things are gifts regardless of your use of them. if its a blissful intoxication that's a gift! if it is your elucidation that comes, then its a blessing!

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i've had some of the best, pure fun times on shrooms of my life. never once did i over analyze it or think that the mushrooms were showing me some unseen knowledge

shrooms are unique as psychedelics. kind of in a class of their own. they are the backwards clown. they can be very entertaining, silly.

ayahuasca and peyote are another story.

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i mean, i personally can get my mind in order more by doing some coke or speed or opiates before psychedelics

ironically all the people i know of who use such dangerous drugs dont have their minds in order. my friends that used to be into those things regret it and recognize that they are more harmful than beneficial. i have yet to see anyone doing coke, speed or opiates and living a wholesome lifestyle. don't take it the wrong way...just personal experience.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: ShroomDoom]
#11160310 - 09/30/09 08:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

well i'm fucked up and talking shit so that kind of explains the tone of the voice and you are most definitely right, coke meth and opies don't lead to very much in life. what i meant to say was exactly what i did really, people choose to believe a drug is spiritual. well, i don't think choose is the right word because i didn't choose for mushrooms to play out that way for me they just did. now to say that I didn't have trips that totally changed my life is 100% false, but I think because I started eating them at such a young age (12) and in unusually large and vast quantities I just didn't know how to look for any spirituality in the drug. I didn't ANYTHING about them or what they did, except that I knew they grew on cow poo and I knew they had to stain blue, have a golden cap (usually), and have a purple skirt.

I guess it carried over to now because mushrooms have zero spiritual aspects to it. actually I don't eat mushrooms anymore because they give me the worst body load ever, and all they do to my mind is make me feel RETARDED. I can't concentrate on anything.. but I think that's because I abused them. definitely.

I do think its absurd when people think that psychedelics have to be spiritual or are always supposed to have a spiritual theme. I've met people that have bluntly said I am tripping wrong because I have a good time, I giggle at colors and tell wack ass jokes to my friends. I also loved to read the bible, lol. I felt like I was the author of each book, but that's another story. Tripping is what it is, and it doesn't really have to be ANYTHING. That's what I was trying to say earlier, hope I articulated it better.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zSDMF]
#11160444 - 09/30/09 08:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

it's interesting hearing reactions from people.

But please PLEASE remember I NEVER said psychedelics were not spiritual. They are very spiritual, all I was trying to say was that people should lighten up :smile:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11160538 - 09/30/09 08:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It doesn't really change my opinion on the matter much though, lol. I realize i'm a minority. It's just my belief some people look for it and therefore take it too seriously as you stated in the OP.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11160617 - 09/30/09 09:03 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

THIS REMINDS ME OF THE GREAT MOMENT WHEN THE BUS ARRIVED AT MILLBROOK!!! EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE MERRY PRANKSTERS MEET THE SPIRITUAL MEDITATORS LMAO

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: NlightNd1]
#11160664 - 09/30/09 09:08 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.

Amazing. 5 shrooms sir.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11161043 - 09/30/09 09:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Wrong...it's more than just the alteration of perspectives. How do you know that your perspective right now is a universal "preference" and that any perspective under a psychedelic isn't the right one?

Psychedlics open worlds so powerful that no human tongue can fully describe or properly comprehend such realms in full and proper respect/appropiateness. It's beyond you and anyone else so who is one to judge right?

And this is why they are taken so seriously, even more than the world you might call the "real one."

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I respect psychedelics very much because of their ability to alter your perceptions so drastically. But I defiantly try to take the experiences with a grain of salt. The bottom line is that the drug is simply altering your perception of reality... so many people try to make that into so much more than it really is. I mean, psychedelics have shown me amazing things... but at the same time, they've taken me the other way and showed me that I'm really not very important in the grand scheme of things. A lot of people tend to take themselves too seriously, and in turn try to pretend their experiences are much more important than they really are and take psychedelics too seriously.

I'm all for being safe and having a good time while learning a bit about myself in the process. So many people are quick to proclaim psychedelics are the end all be all or an entry to the spirit realm or some other crock of horse shit. They're just so delusioned and can't make sense of such profound experiences they end up making it into so much more than it is and taking it way too seriously.

The drugs are changing your brain chemistry and therefore altering your perception of reality, it is what it is... I personally don't feel the need to pretend it's anymore than that- but I guess I could see why some would.

This is coming from someone who's done LSD 100+ times, Mushrooms quite a bit, various RC's, DMT, Salvia, and all that good stuff. I'm not a noob who will learn in time, I'm the opposite... I'm a guy who started out believing in all kinds of horse crap and then learn to take myself less seriously over the years.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Poptart]
#11161068 - 09/30/09 10:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Damn nothing against you. I'm just sick of that horse shit being tossed around.

Just because lots of dipshits run around claiming mediation and drugs don't work together doesen't make it true. Experiment and see for youself if they work together.

The wave of thoughts that come to the surface of your mind when you meditate on weed is just your brain decompressing all the thoughts stored in your head that you normally suppress. After a while you will come into pure silence and the boundery between the inner and outer world dissolve.

People claim they think for themselves but they really don't. Most of us are still asleep running around and looking for others to confirm their view of reality.

Try this then come back to me and tell me that weed and meditation don't work together with a straight face.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

First you have to remove yourself from the mainstream cultural matrix that society has created. Then you got to take it one step further and step out of the matrix your fellow trippers have created if you want to know the truth.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11161115 - 09/30/09 10:07 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I take my trips very seriously, but I don't spend them sitting in a room doing nothing. I have a lot of fun, and I learn a lot during them. There's nothing better than being at a show on acid and dancing to the music, and at the same time having constant mindfucks about your life. It's a pretty crazy experience.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11161693 - 10/01/09 12:14 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

i find myself using any drug as entertainment, psychedelics did change my life and who i am, but it came from me just wanting to get fucked up.

i never could imagined psychedelic could be what they are.

i also think that they should be respected and seen for more than a substance to have fun on. i no longer take psychedelics to get fucked up but to feel what makes me actually me.

i have had spiritual experiences that made me realize things i would have otherwise never realized.

tripping is very deep, it doesnt have to be if you dont allow it, but when you do it makes you enlightened to a new perspective of your life.

god i love psychedelic substances

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11161698 - 10/01/09 12:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds to me like somebody isnt taking tripping seriously enough!
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11161786 - 10/01/09 12:51 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

i blame fear and loathing lol

idk i see where your coming from though. we all started out that way. i think the "fun" part is just a phase, until you take a large dose and find out its true medicinal abilities. then you learn to respect it and you see that using it just for fun is a bit disrespectful. also, i have noticed that those who use it the wrong way usually end up getting lost(i speak from experience). when there is no real purpose, then there is no reason to partake. thats the way i see it, but everyone is to their own. i have nothing against anyone, they can do whatever they want, but sooner or later, they will learn.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11162115 - 10/01/09 03:40 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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So...I've been getting kind of frustrated with people who take tripping really seriously (and I know that sounds kind of contradictory, as I'm posting on the shroomery :P) but I mean, what happened too the Merry Pranksters way of tripping? On so many threads I see people trying to read into trips so much, but by thinking so in depth, they completely miss the simplicity of it. It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view. I know that this thread hasn't been well thought out either (I'm pretty tired hah) and that lots of you probably disagree.
I don't really know how to explain what I mean from this, but it just seems people are forgetting about the "let's just have a good time" aspect of tripping in favor of the "let's figure myself out" aspect. If that makes sense.

I want to hear all your opinions and I'm not trying to flam that way of tripping in any way, to each his own.

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And I am in no way saying tripping is not important or serious :P it's just I tripped with a guy who only wanted to meditate on it a little while ago, and I really wanted to go adventuring. I didn't really enjoy the trip.

Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11162382 - 10/01/09 06:13 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

People should just let their hair down and observe. Whatever comes, make no judgement. Words are for objects, and you yourself won't be an object, so just let go and see what happens.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: skippyluvs]
#11162389 - 10/01/09 06:16 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Wrong...it's more than just the alteration of perspectives. How do you know that your perspective right now is a universal "preference" and that any perspective under a psychedelic isn't the right one?

Psychedlics open worlds so powerful that no human tongue can fully describe or properly comprehend such realms in full and proper respect/appropiateness. It's beyond you and anyone else so who is one to judge right?

And this is why they are taken so seriously, even more than the world you might call the "real one."

Sorry I have to call you on this one...

You called me wrong and then said "who is one to judge right?"

If no one is, then neither are you. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but yeah... :smile:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11162411 - 10/01/09 06:27 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

Really? I can see where you're coming from...but I really do believe that that opinion is too strong. Close your eyes for a second, and imagine (unbiased) yourself on LSD in a forest of day-glo pink blue and green. It's not like it was a full on paint job either, after all there are no remains. Also, I play these so called "violent" video games, and I watch porn too. Does that now make me a bad person? Most definitely not. I still have morals, respect for women, and I'm definitely not going to go shoot random people up because Is aw it in the game.

All I'm trying to say, is that there are many ways or being a good, respectful and responsible person while using psychedelics that don't involve such seriousness.

When Leary met the Pranksters, they didn't get along, but Leary lightened up, because he realized they were all on the same boat, with the same purpose. Most acid casualties are from people who became obsessed with the drug and actually did take it seriously. It drove them mad.

You know why?

The answer does not come from psychedelics.

It comes from yourself.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11162776 - 10/01/09 08:43 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Sorry I have to call you on this one...

You called me wrong and then said "who is one to judge right?"

If no one is, then neither are you. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but yeah... sorry if I sound like one

No need to apologize, I'll just call you out for what you said above as well, how about that? I can play the devils advocate game too :smile:

When I spoke of "judgement" I meant the way someone experiences psychedlic experiences (it will vary from person to person, almost everyone in the medical and scientfic field tends to agree with this), and when I said wrong I was talking about you saying psychedlic experiences are all about "perspective" me as one individual saying otherwise proves that you are wrong in trying to make an "indefinite" statement. Simple as that.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11162820 - 10/01/09 08:53 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Really? I can see where you're coming from...but I really do believe that that opinion is too strong. Close your eyes for a second, and imagine (unbiased) yourself on LSD in a forest of day-glo pink blue and green. It's not like it was a full on paint job either, after all there are no remains. Also, I play these so called "violent" video games, and I watch porn too. Does that now make me a bad person? Most definitely not. I still have morals, respect for women, and I'm definitely not going to go shoot random people up because Is aw it in the game.

All I'm trying to say, is that there are many ways or being a good, respectful and responsible person while using psychedelics that don't involve such seriousness.

When Leary met the Pranksters, they didn't get along, but Leary lightened up, because he realized they were all on the same boat, with the same purpose. Most acid casualties are from people who became obsessed with the drug and actually did take it seriously. It drove them mad.

You know why?

The answer does not come from psychedelics.

It comes from yourself.

I agree in many respects to what you said, you can't generalize people. Life is far more complex. However psychedelics can just as easily be the answer to most if not all things just as much as they may not for others. It all depends.

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#11162888 - 10/01/09 09:05 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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Really? I can see where you're coming from...but I really do believe that that opinion is too strong. Close your eyes for a second, and imagine (unbiased) yourself on LSD in a forest of day-glo pink blue and green. It's not like it was a full on paint job either, after all there are no remains. Also, I play these so called "violent" video games, and I watch porn too. Does that now make me a bad person? Most definitely not. I still have morals, respect for women, and I'm definitely not going to go shoot random people up because Is aw it in the game.

OK I am shutting my eyes: I HATE it. It is all one uniform sickly gaudy colour been used to desecreatethe unimaginable diversity of the woods. garish and vile and ugggh! I have never understood how a lot of popular art depicting psychedelic experience is so freakin gaudy--like Las Vegas gaudy. MY experience has never been like that so I cannot connect with that mindset and all and dont respect them imposing it on the actual natural world. I wouldn't be amused at all.
Why do you play them? Why do you watch porn?
I am observing in the news and roundabout more and more sicker and sicker acts of violence . You wonder where this kind of violence comes from. I have been thinking about it and I assume its combination of violent vid games, violent music, hard core porn the soul-deadness of mass consumer culture, all fuelled with drugs and booze mostl likely with psychiatric drugs involved too
A story I read today. This guy hears 'Piza delivery' outside his door. He is feeding his baby. He opens door, and then they attack him stabbing him in the face splattering the baby with his blood. Where the fuck does that kind of disrespect and sadistic violence COME from?

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All I'm trying to say, is that there are many ways or being a good, respectful and responsible person while using psychedelics that don't involve such seriousness.

Depends what you mean by seriousness. You can be both laughing and serious at the same time--But this dont mean you pull stupid pranks and are insensitive to others, and to wildlife. No sir

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When Leary met the Pranksters, they didn't get along, but Leary lightened up, because he realized they were all on the same boat, with the same purpose. Most acid casualties are from people who became obsessed with the drug and actually did take it seriously. It drove them mad.

I don't agree. You are meaning obsessesed as abusing the drug to get somewhere right? I am not meaning that. For a start you do not abuse it by taking it too many times in a year. You always take set and setting very seriously indeed, and the come down and integration. Thats what I am saying

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You know why?

The answer does not come from psychedelics.

It comes from yoursel

I see it as a meeting. There's you and there's a bunch of sacred mushrooms. You meet/eat them. So respect them and yourself for healing experience. Ask them why it is you love violent video games and porn.
I was a sex addict totally addicted to porn (in AA speak I should say "am")! never was into vid games though

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11162933 - 10/01/09 09:14 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11163013 - 10/01/09 09:32 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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Really? I can see where you're coming from...but I really do believe that that opinion is too strong. Close your eyes for a second, and imagine (unbiased) yourself on LSD in a forest of day-glo pink blue and green. It's not like it was a full on paint job either, after all there are no remains. Also, I play these so called "violent" video games, and I watch porn too. Does that now make me a bad person? Most definitely not. I still have morals, respect for women, and I'm definitely not going to go shoot random people up because Is aw it in the game.

OK I am shutting my eyes: I HATE it. It is all one uniform sickly gaudy colour been used to desecreatethe unimaginable diversity of the woods. garish and vile and ugggh! I have never understood how a lot of popular art depicting psychedelic experience is so freakin gaudy--like Las Vegas gaudy. MY experience has never been like that so I cannot connect with that mindset and all and dont respect them imposing it on the actual natural world. I wouldn't be amused at all.
Why do you play them? Why do you watch porn?
I am observing in the news and roundabout more and more sicker and sicker acts of violence . You wonder where this kind of violence comes from. I have been thinking about it and I assume its combination of violent vid games, violent music, hard core porn the soul-deadness of mass consumer culture, all fuelled with drugs and booze mostl likely with psychiatric drugs involved too
A story I read today. This guy hears 'Piza delivery' outside his door. He is feeding his baby. He opens door, and then they attack him stabbing him in the face splattering the baby with his blood. Where the fuck does that kind of disrespect and sadistic violence COME from?

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All I'm trying to say, is that there are many ways or being a good, respectful and responsible person while using psychedelics that don't involve such seriousness.

Depends what you mean by seriousness. You can be both laughing and serious at the same time--But this dont mean you pull stupid pranks and are insensitive to others, and to wildlife. No sir

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When Leary met the Pranksters, they didn't get along, but Leary lightened up, because he realized they were all on the same boat, with the same purpose. Most acid casualties are from people who became obsessed with the drug and actually did take it seriously. It drove them mad.

I don't agree. You are meaning obsessesed as abusing the drug to get somewhere right? I am not meaning that. For a start you do not abuse it by taking it too many times in a year. You always take set and setting very seriously indeed, and the come down and integration. Thats what I am saying

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You know why?

The answer does not come from psychedelics.

It comes from yoursel

I see it as a meeting. There's you and there's a bunch of sacred mushrooms. You meet/eat them. So respect them and yourself for healing experience. Ask them why it is you love violent video games and porn.
I was a sex addict totally addicted to porn (in AA speak I should say "am")! never was into vid games though

This is a kind of reply I was hoping for, and all I have to say is.

Lighten up.

I play them because I enjoy them, I watch porn because I enjoy it...I think most honest people would say they watch porn, like come on. Did I say I love them? no. I said I ENJOY them. You're missing this whole middleground concept I'm trying to get across.

That sadistic violence you mentioned doesn't come from "video games" and "porn", those are just excuses for it. It comes from the human mind, face it. Though people can be influenced, what we do is ultimately our decision. You can't go labeling people who watch porn and play video games as bad people, it's just making excuses.

The real issue is that we as a people do in fact need help, but we have to stop distracting ourselves with these useless thought of "let's blame it on this!" Once we face the fact that we are who we are, and we have the power to change who we are (with drugs or without). Please don't take this as a strike against you, it isn't intended as one, but personally I do see your view a bit radical.

The point is we need all these different types of extremes in society, they keep it going (have you ever read "One flew over the cuckoos nest"?) The rabbit wouldn't be a rabbit without the wolf. If you that makes sense. What if we were all able to laugh at these pranks however? What if, what if we all trusted each other enough to get along and have a laugh? What if we didn't take these light hearted games so seriously? I can see where you're coming from, and I have respect for your point of view. The part where I get frustrated though, is when I can't see any respect or attempt at understanding in return.

Now I may be making assumptions, but when you say "OK I am shutting my eyes" I can already hear the sarcasm and the bias in your reply. You didn't take a second to see it from my side. Of course, maybe I am making assumptions, and if I am I'm sorry, and I would love it if I was wrong.

Please don't take any of this personally either - it is solely for the sake of argument :smile:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11163026 - 10/01/09 09:35 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I take strong issue with the "violent video games and music" statement. I'm a really nice guy and completely non violent in my daily life, but I still get great satisfaction from a nice Halo killing spree. It seems bad, but I don't think of it as "killing" per se, I think of it as winning. And the music...idk, it's badass, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out there and try to replicate what I hear. That would be crazy.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: oojijimoo]
#11163041 - 10/01/09 09:39 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I take strong issue with the "violent video games and music" statement. I'm a really nice guy and completely non violent in my daily life, but I still get great satisfaction from a nice Halo killing spree. It seems bad, but I don't think of it as "killing" per se, I think of it as winning. And the music...idk, it's badass, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out there and try to replicate what I hear. That would be crazy.

I'm the same - excpet with music. Used to be a metalhead but moved over to the folk/blues/hippy tunes. (60's and 70's ftw :wink:

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But I know more violent people that never play videos games that violent people that do....actually...I really don't know any violent people that play a lot of video games...

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11163071 - 10/01/09 09:45 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I've always thought violent games were a healthy outlet for caged up aggression. It can be sort of cleansing.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: PsilocybinMike]
#11163218 - 10/01/09 10:09 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It all boils down to not knowing a damn thing, about anything.

But in relation to how people view and interpret their trips is dependent on their own personality.

I for one, am skeptical, about pretty much everything.

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I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.

And it's hard to breakthrough into DMT hyperspace without actually believing there is something more. For that, I'll be forever curious.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: oojijimoo]
#11163276 - 10/01/09 10:20 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Peoples from the Amazon don't trip for "worshipping invisible god's in the sky" but for healing and other very practical things (finding lost people etc). It is not a question of belief, it is working and that's all. I witnessed it many times. The spiritual side and the fun may happen but it is like a kind of "side effect", lol.

This thread illustrates one thing: it is impossible to speak about the mushrooms.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: oojijimoo]
#11164424 - 10/01/09 02:14 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I know that not EVERYONE who watches porn, and/or plays violent vid games, and/or listens to violent music doesn't maybe act out ---but surely your not saying that shit wont have an effect on some?

Have you ever--DO you ever sometimes try and imagine things as though you were tripping? I mean do you ever imagine you are watching people do those things when your tripping?
My first trip was very much knowing I was seeing deeply into people--and i was only 15

If I was to watch people now playing vid games constantly and the games are blowing things up and zapping people what am I gonna see?

If I watch them listening to really violent music....? freaky porn?

I am not saying to become a monk, or a born again Christian, but to see whats going on

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11164542 - 10/01/09 02:33 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I know that not EVERYONE who watches porn, and/or plays violent vid games, and/or listens to violent music doesn't maybe act out ---but surely your not saying that shit wont have an effect on some?

Have you ever--DO you ever sometimes try and imagine things as though you were tripping? I mean do you ever imagine you are watching people do those things when your tripping?
My first trip was very much knowing I was seeing deeply into people--and i was only 15

If I was to watch people now playing vid games constantly and the games are blowing things up and zapping people what am I gonna see?

If I watch them listening to really violent music....? freaky porn?

I am not saying to become a monk, or a born again Christian, but to see whats going on

I really don't believe it effects me. I am responsible for my own actions. EVERYTHING you do has a permanent effect on you too some extent, and whether you like it or not, there will always be someone out there who disagrees. I just choose not to blame them.

Sometimes I've watched a friend having a "bad trip" thinking I was seeing all these negative vibes and reading into them. Then it turns out they were actually having a great time.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11165860 - 10/01/09 06:44 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.

Sure it does. As with anything in life, it is whatever you choose to make of it

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#11165867 - 10/01/09 06:46 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.

Sure it does. As with anything in life, it is whatever you choose to make of it

Actually..... I was just electrocuted the other day.....

.... And I find this logic faulty.

No matter what I "want to make of it" getting electrocuted is no fun at all.

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#11165956 - 10/01/09 07:07 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Is it us taking the trip to seriously or the trip taking us to seriously????

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11166645 - 10/01/09 09:00 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Why do you play them? Why do you watch porn?
I am observing in the news and roundabout more and more sicker and sicker acts of violence . You wonder where this kind of violence comes from. I have been thinking about it and I assume its combination of violent vid games, violent music, hard core porn the soul-deadness of mass consumer culture, all fuelled with drugs and booze mostl likely with psychiatric drugs involved too
A story I read today. This guy hears 'Piza delivery' outside his door. He is feeding his baby. He opens door, and then they attack him stabbing him in the face splattering the baby with his blood. Where the fuck does that kind of disrespect and sadistic violence COME from?

I know name calling is childish, but you sir are a fucking moron.

The holocaust, the crusades, centuries upon centuries of war, human slavery, cannibalism... every other disgusting and vile thing under the sun has been a part of human society since the very beginning. If anything I think people have become slightly more civil in modern civilizations and I think you need to read up on your history, because there were some sick fucks in the past just as there are today. Long before video games, long before extreme music, long before any of that.

I happen to indulge in all of the above, I love video games, I love black fucking metal, and I love porn... the only problem is I hate violence and have never so much as been in a fistfight.

On the other hand, millions of people weren't even alive to experience these things committed atrocious acts of violence against there fellow man. Now I don't know what causes this "sadistic thinking" but trying to point the finger at video games is absolutely fucking

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11166711 - 10/01/09 09:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Why do you play them? Why do you watch porn?
I am observing in the news and roundabout more and more sicker and sicker acts of violence . You wonder where this kind of violence comes from. I have been thinking about it and I assume its combination of violent vid games, violent music, hard core porn the soul-deadness of mass consumer culture, all fuelled with drugs and booze mostl likely with psychiatric drugs involved too
A story I read today. This guy hears 'Piza delivery' outside his door. He is feeding his baby. He opens door, and then they attack him stabbing him in the face splattering the baby with his blood. Where the fuck does that kind of disrespect and sadistic violence COME from?

I know name calling is childish, but you sir are a fucking moron.

The holocaust, the crusades, centuries upon centuries of war, human slavery, cannibalism... every other disgusting and vile thing under the sun has been a part of human society since the very beginning. If anything I think people have become slightly more civil in modern civilizations and I think you need to read up on your history, because there were some sick fucks in the past just as there are today. Long before video games, long before extreme music, long before any of that.

I happen to indulge in all of the above, I love video games, I love black fucking metal, and I love porn... the only problem is I hate violence and have never so much as been in a fistfight.

On the other hand, millions of people weren't even alive to experience these things committed atrocious acts of violence against there fellow man. Now I don't know what causes this "sadistic thinking" but trying to point the finger at video games is absolutely fucking

Both sides of this do have very valid point however maybe the perversely Violante ideas are already there and these things provide the confidence/motivation in the affected individuals some how

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11166767 - 10/01/09 09:18 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It's been said before, but it bears repeating: too seriously is MUCH better than not seriously enough.

If you don't want to have a serious meditation trip, go have some fun on your own! Tell your meditating friend that you've just gotta bounce, he or she will understand.

Personally, consuming hallucinogens has had a serious effect on my life, and an entirely positive one at that. I won't say it's a huge part of my daily life, because I don't do it that often, but all the times I have were memorable and illuminating.

I don't search for the "ultimate truth" or the "meaning of life" because I don't think these things are knowable. Eating a fungus or a shred of paper with chemicals on it isn't going to reveal the answers to these questions. I know that even when I'm not tripping.

Serious things can be taken seriously and still result in large amounts of fun.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: memory_nirvana]
#11168326 - 10/02/09 05:05 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I know name calling is childish, but you sir are a fucking moron.

The holocaust, the crusades, centuries upon centuries of war, human slavery, cannibalism... every other disgusting and vile thing under the sun has been a part of human society since the very beginning. If anything I think people have become slightly more civil in modern civilizations and I think you need to read up on your history, because there were some sick fucks in the past just as there are today. Long before video games, long before extreme music, long before any of that.

I happen to indulge in all of the above, I love video games, I love black fucking metal, and I love porn... the only problem is I hate violence and have never so much as been in a fistfight.

On the other hand, millions of people weren't even alive to experience these things committed atrocious acts of violence against there fellow man. Now I don't know what causes this "sadistic thinking" but trying to point the finger at video games is absolutely fucking

No it isn't.
It is very reasonable to ask this question as it would be to question kids playing with toy guns and being brought up on millions of violent images as they are. It is very very ignore-ant not to question this.
The reason WHY i sense hostility from certain people when you do challenge all of what I am is because they feel threatened it could get taken away, and they have images of repressive Amish-like cultures, and getting whipped or having to wear devices for jackin off--all that has happened in the past!
I am not a puritan at all, but that doesn't also mean I am FOR the kind or hard core porn and violent video games that are becoming the norm now neither.
I recently sayw this sad documentary where this film crew went round your average schools here in the UK and talked to lots of youths there. Most admitted they watched porn and related how they had seen some pretty sick shit.
Now, ALL the lads and the girls said they wanted false tits!!! Ie., they had naked models take off their clothers and they were not live in the flesh but on a big screen where the audience of youths could could see them. They were fukin brave because they would hear the reactions to their bodies. Their bodies were natural and the boys and girls didn't like natural bodies at all. Know why? Cause they are being fed a diet of hard pron where the women had false tits and false cunts, and no pubes. So all the kids want that too. And it was fukin tragic to watch the body language of the girls who you could tell had no confidence with their bodies because they know the boys want plastic blow up dolls! So that's that yeah

Then we have the normalization of the type of sex being pushed by hard core CORPORATIONS trying to out do the other maaan, and hence showing heavier and freakier shit. Mostly this involves the degradation of women. And dont come that women in them love it, degradation is a corruption that happens to you until you feel it is normal. That is what happens and I speak from fukin experience

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11168347 - 10/02/09 05:15 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Why We Crave Horror Movies - Stephen King (thought it kind of applies to what you guys are saying about video games being a good outlet for pent-up aggression)

Why We Crave Horror Movies
By Stephen King
I think that we’re all mentally ill; those of us outside the asylums only hide it a little better – and
maybe not all that much better, after all. We’ve all known people who talk to themselves, people who
sometimes squinch their faces into horrible grimaces when they believe no one is watching, people who
have some hysterical fear – of snakes, the dark, the tight place, the long drop . . . and, of course, those
final worms and grubs that are waiting so patiently underground.
When we pay our four or five bucks and seat ourselves at tenth-row center in a theater showing a
horror movie, we are daring the nightmare.
Why? Some of the reasons are simple and obvious. To show that we can, that we are not afraid,
that we can ride this roller coaster. Which is not to say that a really good horror movie may not surprise a
scream out of us at some point, the way we may scream when the roller coaster twists through a complete
360 or plows through a lake at the bottom of the drop. And horror movies, like roller coasters, have
always been the special province of the young; by the time one turns 40 or 50, one’s appetite for double
twists or 360-degree loops may be considerably depleted.
We also go to re-establish our feelings of essential normality; the horror movie is innately
conservative, even reactionary. Freda Jackson as the horrible melting woman in Die, Monster, Die!
confirms for us that no matter how far we may be removed from the beauty of a Robert Redford or a
Diana Ross, we are still light-years from true ugliness.
And we go to have fun.
Ah, but this is where the ground starts to slope away, isn’t it? Because this is a very peculiar sort
of fun, indeed. The fun comes from seeing others menaced – sometimes killed. One critic has suggested
that if pro football has become the voyeur’s version of combat, then the horror film has become the
modern version of the public lynching.
It is true that the mythic “fairy-tale” horror film intends to take away the shades of grey . . . . It
urges us to put away our more civilized and adult penchant for analysis and to become children again,
seeing things in pure blacks and whites. It may be that horror movies provide psychic relief on this level
because this invitation to lapse into simplicity, irrationality and even outright madness is extended so
rarely. We are told we may allow our emotions a free rein . . . or no rein at all.
If we are all insane, then sanity becomes a matter of degree. If your insanity leads you to carve
up women like Jack the Ripper or the Cleveland Torso Murderer, we clap you away in the funny farm
(but neither of those two amateur-night surgeons was ever caught, heh-heh-heh); if, on the other hand,
your insanity leads you only to talk to yourself when you’re under stress or to pick your nose on your
morning bus, then you are left alone to go about your business . . . though it is doubtful that you will ever
be invited to the best parties.
The potential lyncher is in almost all of us (excluding saints, past and present; but then, most
saints have been crazy in their own ways), and every now and then, he has to be let loose to scream and
roll around in the grass. Our emotions and our fears form their own body, and we recognize that it
demands its own exercise to maintain proper muscle tone. Certain of these emotional muscles are
accepted – even exalted – in civilized society; they are, of course, the emotions that tend to maintain the
status quo of civilization itself. Love, friendship, loyalty, kindness -- these are all the emotions that we
applaud, emotions that have been immortalized in the couplets of Hallmark cards and in the verses (I
don’t dare call it poetry) of Leonard Nimoy.
When we exhibit these emotions, society showers us with positive reinforcement; we learn this
even before we get out of diapers. When, as children, we hug our rotten little puke of a sister and give her
a kiss, all the aunts and uncles smile and twit and cry, “Isn’t he the sweetest little thing?” Such coveted
treats as chocolate-covered graham crackers often follow. But if we deliberately slam the rotten little
puke of a sister’s fingers in the door, sanctions follow – angry remonstrance from parents, aunts and
uncles; instead of a chocolate-covered graham cracker, a spanking.
But anticivilization emotions don’t go away, and they demand periodic exercise. We have such
“sick” jokes as, “What’s the difference between a truckload of bowling balls and a truckload of dead
babies?” (You can’t unload a truckload of bowling balls with a pitchfork . . . a joke, by the way, that I
heard originally from a ten-year-old.) Such a joke may surprise a laugh or a grin out of us even as we
recoil, a possibility that confirms the thesis: If we share a brotherhood of man, then we also share an
insanity of man. None of which is intended as a defense of either the sick joke or insanity but merely as
an explanation of why the best horror films, like the best fairy tales, manage to be reactionary, anarchistic,
and revolutionary all at the same time.
The mythic horror movie, like the sick joke, has a dirty job to do. It deliberately appeals to all
that is worst in us. It is morbidity unchained, our most base instincts let free, our nastiest fantasies
realized . . . and it all happens, fittingly enough, in the dark. For those reasons, good liberals often shy
away from horror films. For myself, I like to see the most aggressive of them – Dawn of the Dead, for
instance – as lifting a trap door in the civilized forebrain and throwing a basket of raw meat to the hungry
alligators swimming around in that subterranean river beneath.
Why bother? Because it keeps them from getting out, man. It keeps them down there and me up
here. It was Lennon and McCartney who said that all you need is love, and I would agree with that.
As long as you keep the gators fed.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11168410 - 10/02/09 05:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view.

I usually get this idea after coming to a realization on a trip.
It leads me to wonder if I could have came up with that idea sober, had I just thought of it. I am thinking yes, but I most likely wouldn't had I not catalyzed the event.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#11168868 - 10/02/09 08:26 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

well in my lifetime went from reading fairy books as a kid, and then graduated to reading Pan Horror books from about 11 onwards. Why did this happen?
I dont know but may try guessing. I hated school. I was secretly gay and had to keep it a secret cause it was taboo. I was having to grow up to fast and was smoking at 11. I was a screwed up fukin kid is what i was.
Reading horror stories give me a thrill.
But I ALSO noticed a sadistic streak growing in me.
When I got to 15 and was to take LSD I came to my senses because the magic of nature came back !

Of course I have watched horror films since, but not obsessively.

I remember at art school the 'hip' film then was this film called Man Bites Dog' and it was real terrible horror, and the 'hip' audience and the friends I was with were LAUGHING at these really terrible scenes. I did not and it fuked off the ones I was with. They were just being like sheeple thinking they had to laugh at this horror cause it was 'ironic'

Think about the Roman Ganes and all that horror and how many people would have argued it was normal if you challenged it

But if you are constantly summerged in violent images all the day week in week out and druggin and boozin it it MUST have a negative effect, and I am seeing this acting out in the world. Just because theres been horror in the past dont make THIS right

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11171869 - 10/02/09 07:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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zzripz said:
well in my lifetime went from reading fairy books as a kid, and then graduated to reading Pan Horror books from about 11 onwards. Why did this happen?
I dont know but may try guessing. I hated school. I was secretly gay and had to keep it a secret cause it was taboo. I was having to grow up to fast and was smoking at 11. I was a screwed up fukin kid is what i was.
Reading horror stories give me a thrill.
But I ALSO noticed a sadistic streak growing in me.
When I got to 15 and was to take LSD I came to my senses because the magic of nature came back !

Of course I have watched horror films since, but not obsessively.

I remember at art school the 'hip' film then was this film called Man Bites Dog' and it was real terrible horror, and the 'hip' audience and the friends I was with were LAUGHING at these really terrible scenes. I did not and it fuked off the ones I was with. They were just being like sheeple thinking they had to laugh at this horror cause it was 'ironic'

Think about the Roman Ganes and all that horror and how many people would have argued it was normal if you challenged it

But if you are constantly summerged in violent images all the day week in week out and druggin and boozin it it MUST have a negative effect, and I am seeing this acting out in the world. Just because theres been horror in the past dont make THIS right

You weren't a fucked up kid, you were having a difficult childhood. You had a few more issues to deal with than other people, and it clearly made you a decent person. So don't say that, please. You are who you are today because of who you used to be :smile:

just trying to be positive, sorry :smile:

It may not make it right, but does it make it wrong? That's for us as people to decide. The argument between good and evil has been going on since the dawn of time - we won't solve it tonight. I wouldn't automatically assume it has a NEGATIVE effect, I would say more along the lines of, it has an effect, but any open mind can see that while it does, it really isn't significant.

I personally am more concerned with CNN and FOX news and such than I would ever be with a video game.

It just seems that people who take this all seriously don't give off great vibes when you're tripping with them, and they seem too hyper-focused on trying to figure out this or that. That's what I am saying - is that it really doesn't even seem like they're having a good time.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11172008 - 10/02/09 08:19 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I just don't do anything and everything comes to me.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11173419 - 10/03/09 02:01 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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CaptainTrips said:

I personally am more concerned with CNN and FOX news and such than I would ever be with a video game.

It just seems that people who take this all seriously don't give off great vibes when you're tripping with them, and they seem too hyper-focused on trying to figure out this or that. That's what I am saying - is that it really doesn't even seem like they're having a good time.

But I see it as a continuum. Who is making the money out of the video games?
Video Games making more money then anything else.I bet you those connected with the big boys ultimately. Same is so with violent music! Their middle name is manipulation and making sure there is conflict in society and in the individual.
This is good: "Teaching Kids To Kill"

Surely, man, authentic psychedelic insight has see to to pull away the dirty curtain and show us who are pulling the strings. Who does it suit to promote sadism in young impressionable minds? The very sadists ruling the show is who!

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11174007 - 10/03/09 08:11 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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zzripz said:
Quote:

CaptainTrips said:

I personally am more concerned with CNN and FOX news and such than I would ever be with a video game.

It just seems that people who take this all seriously don't give off great vibes when you're tripping with them, and they seem too hyper-focused on trying to figure out this or that. That's what I am saying - is that it really doesn't even seem like they're having a good time.

But I see it as a continuum. Who is making the money out of the video games?
Video Games making more money then anything else.I bet you those connected with the big boys ultimately. Same is so with violent music! Their middle name is manipulation and making sure there is conflict in society and in the individual.
This is good: "Teaching Kids To Kill"

Surely, man, authentic psychedelic insight has see to to pull away the dirty curtain and show us who are pulling the strings. Who does it suit to promote sadism in young impressionable minds? The very sadists ruling the show is who!

You know, I agree with the idea that 'The Corporation' is running the show..... all of them.

But, I am not so sure they are "making" people sadistic......

People have sado/masochist streaks running thru them naturally...... violence and sex have a lot of close connections in the natural world.

However, I would agree that this piece of our psychology is being preyed upon for the almighty dollar.

I dont think the creators of Doom(going retro) WANT kids to kill each other...... that would mean less customers.

But, I do think they are fully aware of the addictive rush of racking up a graphic kill count, or like duke nukem, lets get some nudity in there somewhere!

I -do- think the division is promoted... It is in the Big Boys best interest that we squabble over the carrot while they use us to plow the field, only to reap the greater part of the harvest and THEN pass out the feed to us as if we should feel privillaged to recieve it.

But, I dont think that rap music and violent video games are the MAJOR part of this sort of diagram.

Also, as far as rap music goes...... people were making it a long time before the media giants were promoting it... So, if the idea is that "gangsta rap" is inherently "bad" get that out of your head right away.....

It is a sad fact of life that some people get so wrapped up in the game, that they would kill someone for 20 dollars or a pair of sneakers or some off-hand insult, I mean , try to answer -this- question correctly. "Watchu lookin at foo!"

ME :" erm..... you, wondering where you learned to dress yourself, or if maybe they just dont make pants in your size." :tongue2:

^ btw ^ I blame that on the fathers....... so in need of earning and deserving respect, that it gets twisted into a demand for respect,or else. :sad:

I have been thinking a lot about the way we live our lives lately...................

I hope to hell Jesus is coming back in 2012. I am not sure where else we -could- go as a whole community....

IT -seems-..... that there is no way OUT of this..... the best I could hope for is a mild acceptance of the "way things are" and to do the best I could.......

But, the idea that "everything will get better" is so far out of the question, based simply upon the Great Men unwilling to release the power, and the Weak Men unwilling to come together and well.... in no uncertain terms.... murder every one of those who wish to retain control over the mass of humanity.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11174018 - 10/03/09 08:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

some people take it too seriously and some don't take it seriously enough. i try to find a middle ground.

either way, if you are having fun then keep on tripping.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11175363 - 10/03/09 01:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Shad0w said:

You know, I agree with the idea that 'The Corporation' is running the show..... all of them.

But, I am not so sure they are "making" people sadistic......

People have sado/masochist streaks running thru them naturally...... violence and sex have a lot of close connections in the natural world.

However, I would agree that this piece of our psychology is being preyed upon for the almighty dollar.

I think your wrong. Well 3/4 right. No we are not hard wired to be sadistic. That is a myth perpetuated by elites down the times. In religion you had it pushed that you are born in sin. With Darwinism it is that you are 'tooth and claw' like they claim nature is and 'only the strongest survive'--so all these myths mould you. I am hoping that psychedelic/tripping (which is what this thread is about ) will reveal this.
in MY lifetime it has. I was getting a sadistic streak, brought on by pressures from combination of school, peers, parents, mass media, horror books i'd begun reading, but at 15 with help from LSD I was dramtically changed, and regained a sense of the magic of nature. And remember these trips were even recreational, so imagine well thought out healing trips and what THEy can achieve!
The power elite do not want you to be compassionate and caring. They want you or your kids to join their sadistic fukin wars, and/or ACCEPT the horros of war. And of cut throat business, and stamping on people when they're down so you can be 'number 1'--that is their trip. So of course they promote sadism.

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I dont think the creators of Doom(going retro) WANT kids to kill each other...... that would mean less customers.

It dont work like that. The vibe is violent. The overall vibe. Less respect for others, for animals. Kids who are addicted to vid games. All this feeds them the $$$$$ they crave.

Quote:

But, I do think they are fully aware of the addictive rush of racking up a graphic kill count, or like duke nukem, lets get some nudity in there somewhere!

I -do- think the division is promoted... It is in the Big Boys best interest that we squabble over the carrot while they use us to plow the field, only to reap the greater part of the harvest and THEN pass out the feed to us as if we should feel privillaged to recieve it.

This is what I mean by you seem to go only 3/4 of the way. Something seems to be holding you back to seeing it as it really is to the roots.
I think psychedelics does this--for me anyhow. I see direct no bullshit.

Quote:

But, I dont think that rap music and violent video games are the MAJOR part of this sort of diagram.

Also, as far as rap music goes...... people were making it a long time before the media giants were promoting it... So, if the idea is that "gangsta rap" is inherently "bad" get that out of your head right away.....

They are part of it thats all we need to know. Part of the cancer eating away at the young etc. With a cancer you dont just take a part of it away. All of it has to go.

As for your idea of gangsta rap not being a negative influence on everyone then watch this great video that will prove otherwise!
[url=
#]HipHop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes[/url]
It is all connected in fact. It may seem strange that the same big profit boys part of the civilization that dropped nuclear bombs on cities full of babies, children, people, and animals, and sprayed agent orange on forests full of babies, children, people, and animals, and other ongling evil horric shit, would both be sadists and promote sadism in the young etc, but there we are!

Quote:

It is a sad fact of life that some people get so wrapped up in the game, that they would kill someone for 20 dollars or a pair of sneakers or some off-hand insult, I mean , try to answer -this- question correctly. "Watchu lookin at foo!"

ME :" erm..... you, wondering where you learned to dress yourself, or if maybe they just dont make pants in your size."

^ btw ^ I blame that on the fathers....... so in need of earning and deserving respect, that it gets twisted into a demand for respect,or else.

I have been thinking a lot about the way we live our lives lately...................

I hope to hell Jesus is coming back in 2012. I am not sure where else we -could- go as a whole community....

IT -seems-..... that there is no way OUT of this..... the best I could hope for is a mild acceptance of the "way things are" and to do the best I could.......

But, the idea that "everything will get better" is so far out of the question, based simply upon the Great Men unwilling to release the power, and the Weak Men unwilling to come together and well.... in no uncertain terms.... murder every one of those who wish to retain control over the mass of humanity.

I think it is absurd to imagine 'Jesus' or superman or the 'aliens' is gonna come and bail us out. Each one of us has to SEE first whats going on and get responsible even if it means your on your own against a crowd who cant see what you mean. You have to see it first.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11175394 - 10/03/09 01:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Shad0w said:

You know, I agree with the idea that 'The Corporation' is running the show..... all of them.

But, I am not so sure they are "making" people sadistic......

People have sado/masochist streaks running thru them naturally...... violence and sex have a lot of close connections in the natural world.

However, I would agree that this piece of our psychology is being preyed upon for the almighty dollar.

I think your wrong. Well 3/4 right. No we are not hard wired to be sadistic. That is a myth perpetuated by elites down the times. In religion you had it pushed that you are born in sin. With Darwinism it is that you are 'tooth and claw' like they claim nature is and 'only the strongest survive'--so all these myths mould you. I am hoping that psychedelic/tripping (which is what this thread is about ) will reveal this.
in MY lifetime it has. I was getting a sadistic streak, but at 15 with help from LSD I was dramtically changed. And remember these were even recreational, so imagine well thought out healing trips and what THEy can achieve.
The power elite do not want you to be compassionate and caring. They want you or your kids to join their sadistic fukin wars, and/or ACCEPT the horros of war. And of cut throat business, and stamping on people when they're down so you can be 'number 1'--that is their trip. So of course they promote sadism.

Quote:

I dont think the creators of Doom(going retro) WANT kids to kill each other...... that would mean less customers.

It dont work like that. The vibe is violent. The overall vibe. Less respect for others, for animals. Kids who are addicted to vid games. All this feeds them the $$$$$ they crave.

Quote:

But, I do think they are fully aware of the addictive rush of racking up a graphic kill count, or like duke nukem, lets get some nudity in there somewhere!

I -do- think the division is promoted... It is in the Big Boys best interest that we squabble over the carrot while they use us to plow the field, only to reap the greater part of the harvest and THEN pass out the feed to us as if we should feel privillaged to recieve it.

This is what I mean by you seem to go only 3/4 of the way. Something seems to be holding you back to seeing it as it really is to the roots.
I think psychedelics does this--for me anyhow. I see direct no bullshit.

Quote:

But, I dont think that rap music and violent video games are the MAJOR part of this sort of diagram.

Also, as far as rap music goes...... people were making it a long time before the media giants were promoting it... So, if the idea is that "gangsta rap" is inherently "bad" get that out of your head right away.....

They are part of it thats all we need to know. Part of the cancer eating away at the young etc. With a cancer you dont just take a part of it away. All of it has to go.

As for your idea of gangsta rap not being a negative influence on everyone then watch this great video that will prove otherwise!
[url=
#]HipHop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes[/url]
It is all connected in fact. It may seem strange that the same big profit boys part of the civilization that dropped nuclear bombs on cities full of babies, children, people, and animals, and sprayed agent orange on forests full of babies, children, people, and animals, and other ongling evil horric shit, would both be sadists and promote sadism in the young etc, but there we are!

Quote:

It is a sad fact of life that some people get so wrapped up in the game, that they would kill someone for 20 dollars or a pair of sneakers or some off-hand insult, I mean , try to answer -this- question correctly. "Watchu lookin at foo!"

ME :" erm..... you, wondering where you learned to dress yourself, or if maybe they just dont make pants in your size."

^ btw ^ I blame that on the fathers....... so in need of earning and deserving respect, that it gets twisted into a demand for respect,or else.

I have been thinking a lot about the way we live our lives lately...................

I hope to hell Jesus is coming back in 2012. I am not sure where else we -could- go as a whole community....

IT -seems-..... that there is no way OUT of this..... the best I could hope for is a mild acceptance of the "way things are" and to do the best I could.......

But, the idea that "everything will get better" is so far out of the question, based simply upon the Great Men unwilling to release the power, and the Weak Men unwilling to come together and well.... in no uncertain terms.... murder every one of those who wish to retain control over the mass of humanity.

I think it is absurd to imagine 'Jesus' or superman or the 'aliens' is gonna come and bail us out. Each one of us has to SEE first whats going on and get responsible even if it means your on your own against a crowd who cant see what you mean. You have to see it first.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11176019 - 10/03/09 03:13 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm, Well.... as far as the sadism thing, I guess I have alwasy accepted the "survival of the fittest" sort of mentality..... Hadnt thought about things without that forming some part of the picture.

I didnt say rap was not a negative influence...... To me, I view it like art. An expression of truth. But, I find a lot of people who dont see it that way, They think that it is about spreading hatred.... and I dont really think that is the intention...... ( I live in rural southern midwest )

NOT TO SAY that some 15yr old doesnt hear it and suddenly want to slap bitches , smoke crack and kill 'niggaz'..... Kids are very impressionable.

I agree with the idea that waiting around for salvation isnt a realistic idea...... But, I guess I am at a loss for what I could do on a larger scale than my own life.

Back to the sadism thing..... Ok, what about like egypt, or rome, or the vikings or the mongols or feudal japan?

I mean, I find it hard to believe that some illuminati like conspiracy was encouraging ALL those cultures towards violence.

So why does the hatred and violence seem so inherant?

Something I thought about the other day, Lets say that killing each other for resources and territory is normal for an animal which we evolved from...............

The POINT that this is no longer an excuse is the fact that we are able to recognize the behavior, Our mental faculties greatly outwheigh the other animals..... And so, the idea that "it was just my instincts, I couldnt help it" isnt a good enough excuse anymore.

But you are saying it is not natural in a human to be viole.....

Ahhh, I am equating sadism(pleasure thru inflicting pain) with violence(forceful agressive actions).....

And in reality they are two seperate things..... hmmmmmmm

Dang.... I am going to have to think about that. But I am tending to think you are correct that it is not a normal human function to recieve pleasure from inflicting pain.

LoL, way too long of posts.... anyway, I probably wont allow my kids(when I have some) to watch TV or listen to rap until they are 18 yrs old. :tongue2:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11176244 - 10/03/09 04:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

wow this violence thing his quiet interesting. But i have to say that, violence is a huge part of human nature. Take a look at history, has there ever been a period in civilization without some sort of war or battles?

Hell just look at the movies we watch, how many movies/tv shows revolve around violence? Through out history we have "entertained" ourselves with violence and death. Its quite disgusting that we find it funny/entertaining to watch other ppl being harmed and or killed.

People always resort to violence if they cant resolve a problem by talking, which is a lot of the time. How many times have you guys heard a friend or a family member say "im going to beat his or her ass" or "im going to kill that guy/girl"? i think its quite obvious that ppl=violence, there is no denying it.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: eruditemonkey]
#11176654 - 10/03/09 05:32 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

There have been a lot of good posts in this thread, but I have to ask.

Why do you care if other people see tripping as a serious business? Shouldn't affect your way to do it, so I really don't see the point of having this debate.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: eruditemonkey]
#11178754 - 10/04/09 03:45 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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wow this violence thing his quiet interesting. But i have to say that, violence is a huge part of human nature. Take a look at history, has there ever been a period in civilization without some sort of war or battles?

It is true that there came about a rise in warrior mindsets which then took over relatively more peacful agrarian peoples. So why would that happen?
If you dig that that mindset is the mindset that took over and created the civilization we know from old, Egypt, Babylon, Sumaria, Rome, etc etc then you must guess that their MYTHS--their stories they inculcate the young to believe would make out that we are inherently violent...right? It would suit their purpose to have you beluieve that.
So why did the warrior originally become like that? Because they had the freedom to choose, as we all do. IF I chose I could right now go out and murder someone, but I could not do that. They chose to want to conquer nature because somehow they became estranged from their own interelation with nature. You must know being used to psychedelic experience how ecstatic is the feeling of feeling in communion with nature? Yet the warrior mindset rejects these feelings. So it ends up in conflict with itself and then wants to act this inner conflict out into the world causing all kinds of sadism and murder.

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Hell just look at the movies we watch, how many movies/tv shows revolve around violence? Through out history we have "entertained" ourselves with violence and death. Its quite disgusting that we find it funny/entertaining to watch other ppl being harmed and or killed.

Who do you think funds Hollywood (the main myth-making centre) and promotes the violence in these films and for what reason. It is the same that promotes violent video games, and violent popular music and war itself! And you right it is disgusting that many of us see this as entertainment, and sad as well.

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People always resort to violence if they cant resolve a problem by talking, which is a lot of the time. How many times have you guys heard a friend or a family member say "im going to beat his or her ass" or "im going to kill that guy/girl"? i think its quite obvious that ppl=violence, there is no denying it.

This is also what I mean. Connect the dots---When you got a culture that promotes violent video games, TV shows, music, war, cops tasering people, etc etc and the general brutal nature of this culture it causes people to think that violence is the norm. This is whats happening.

So appplying all of that to the question of this thread: 'people taking tripping too seriously?'--I had originally answered, 'no, Tripping needs to be taken infinitely seriously' and this is because of the state of everything. The violence from the top to the bottom, and destruction of nature. Everyone now who takes psychedelics must take on the responsibility to trip very very seriously to help heal themselves and these problems instead of using it for yet another escape!

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11179057 - 10/04/09 07:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Everyone now who takes psychedelics must take on the responsibility to trip very very seriously to help heal themselves and these problems instead of using it for yet another escape!

if they dont, can we kill them? :grin:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11180355 - 10/04/09 12:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

it all depends on your definition of fun. some people find self-exploration to be fun while others like to go out and venture into nature or public and explore their altered perception of the world. or some people like to use it as an excuse to do extremely stupid shit.
speaking of stupid shit, my friend took 6 hits of acid last week, the first time he did it. and went temporarily insane as i would like to define it. ignorance in it's purest form (;
anyways. for me, i have major respect drugs i put into my body. it's more of a spiritual refreshment to me than a game. i like to have fun when it's a social kinda ordeal, but if i'm alone or with someone i'm very close to, i prefer intrinsic exploration.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: psychedelicamour]
#11180464 - 10/04/09 12:27 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Your upset because you dont get it OP.

Your misusing beautiful substances.

You suck :dancingbear:

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: SummerDaisies]
#11180982 - 10/04/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Lol he doesn't suck; being confused sucks.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: psychedelicamour]
#11181165 - 10/04/09 02:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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it all depends on your definition of fun. some people find self-exploration to be fun while others like to go out and venture into nature or public and explore their altered perception of the world. or some people like to use it as an excuse to do extremely stupid shit.
speaking of stupid shit, my friend took 6 hits of acid last week, the first time he did it. and went temporarily insane as i would like to define it. ignorance in it's purest form (;
anyways. for me, i have major respect drugs i put into my body. it's more of a spiritual refreshment to me than a game. i like to have fun when it's a social kinda ordeal, but if i'm alone or with someone i'm very close to, i prefer intrinsic exploration.

I am glad you are intelligent enough to feel like that. Sounds like your mate is into abusing his body. Using psychedelics as some kind of drug instead of a sacred sacrament.
6 tabs is crazy. Going insane is crazy, pardon the pun.

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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: eruditemonkey]
#11186606 - 10/05/09 11:13 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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eruditemonkey said:
wow this violence thing his quiet interesting. But i have to say that, violence is a huge part of human nature. Take a look at history, has there ever been a period in civilization without some sort of war or battles?

Hell just look at the movies we watch, how many movies/tv shows revolve around violence? Through out history we have "entertained" ourselves with violence and death. Its quite disgusting that we find it funny/entertaining to watch other ppl being harmed and or killed.

People always resort to violence if they cant resolve a problem by talking, which is a lot of the time. How many times have you guys heard a friend or a family member say "im going to beat his or her ass" or "im going to kill that guy/girl"? i think its quite obvious that ppl=violence, there is no denying it.

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