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 LifeLike
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 Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11174018 - 10/03/09 08:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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some people take it too seriously and some don't take it seriously enough. i try to find a middle ground.
either way, if you are having fun then keep on tripping.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11175363 - 10/03/09 01:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shad0w said:
You know, I agree with the idea that 'The Corporation' is running the show..... all of them.
But, I am not so sure they are "making" people sadistic......
People have sado/masochist streaks running thru them naturally...... violence and sex have a lot of close connections in the natural world.
However, I would agree that this piece of our psychology is being preyed upon for the almighty dollar.
I think your wrong. Well 3/4 right. No we are not hard wired to be sadistic. That is a myth perpetuated by elites down the times. In religion you had it pushed that you are born in sin. With Darwinism it is that you are 'tooth and claw' like they claim nature is and 'only the strongest survive'--so all these myths mould you. I am hoping that psychedelic/tripping (which is what this thread is about  ) will reveal this.
in MY lifetime it has. I was getting a sadistic streak, brought on by pressures from combination of school, peers, parents, mass media, horror books i'd begun reading, but at 15 with help from LSD I was dramtically changed, and regained a sense of the magic of nature. And remember these trips were even recreational, so imagine well thought out healing trips and what THEy can achieve!
The power elite do not want you to be compassionate and caring. They want you or your kids to join their sadistic fukin wars, and/or ACCEPT the horros of war. And of cut throat business, and stamping on people when they're down so you can be 'number 1'--that is their trip. So of course they promote sadism.
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I dont think the creators of Doom(going retro) WANT kids to kill each other...... that would mean less customers.
It dont work like that. The vibe is violent. The overall vibe. Less respect for others, for animals. Kids who are addicted to vid games. All this feeds them the $$$$$ they crave.
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But, I do think they are fully aware of the addictive rush of racking up a graphic kill count, or like duke nukem, lets get some nudity in there somewhere!
I -do- think the division is promoted... It is in the Big Boys best interest that we squabble over the carrot while they use us to plow the field, only to reap the greater part of the harvest and THEN pass out the feed to us as if we should feel privillaged to recieve it.
This is what I mean by you seem to go only 3/4 of the way. Something seems to be holding you back to seeing it as it really is to the roots.
I think psychedelics does this--for me anyhow. I see direct no bullshit.
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But, I dont think that rap music and violent video games are the MAJOR part of this sort of diagram.
Also, as far as rap music goes...... people were making it a long time before the media giants were promoting it... So, if the idea is that "gangsta rap" is inherently "bad" get that out of your head right away.....
They are part of it thats all we need to know. Part of the cancer eating away at the young etc. With a cancer you dont just take a part of it away. All of it has to go.
As for your idea of gangsta rap not being a negative influence on everyone then watch this great video that will prove otherwise!
[url=#]HipHop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes[/url]
It is all connected in fact. It may seem strange that the same big profit boys part of the civilization that dropped nuclear bombs on cities full of babies, children, people, and animals, and sprayed agent orange on forests full of babies, children, people, and animals, and other ongling evil horric shit, would both be sadists and promote sadism in the young etc, but there we are!
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It is a sad fact of life that some people get so wrapped up in the game, that they would kill someone for 20 dollars or a pair of sneakers or some off-hand insult, I mean , try to answer -this- question correctly. "Watchu lookin at foo!"
ME :" erm..... you, wondering where you learned to dress yourself, or if maybe they just dont make pants in your size."
^ btw ^ I blame that on the fathers....... so in need of earning and deserving respect, that it gets twisted into a demand for respect,or else. 
I have been thinking a lot about the way we live our lives lately...................
I hope to hell Jesus is coming back in 2012. I am not sure where else we -could- go as a whole community....
IT -seems-..... that there is no way OUT of this..... the best I could hope for is a mild acceptance of the "way things are" and to do the best I could.......
But, the idea that "everything will get better" is so far out of the question, based simply upon the Great Men unwilling to release the power, and the Weak Men unwilling to come together and well.... in no uncertain terms.... murder every one of those who wish to retain control over the mass of humanity.
I think it is absurd to imagine 'Jesus' or superman or the 'aliens' is gonna come and bail us out. Each one of us has to SEE first whats going on and get responsible even if it means your on your own against a crowd who cant see what you mean. You have to see it first.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11175394 - 10/03/09 01:25 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shad0w said:
You know, I agree with the idea that 'The Corporation' is running the show..... all of them.
But, I am not so sure they are "making" people sadistic......
People have sado/masochist streaks running thru them naturally...... violence and sex have a lot of close connections in the natural world.
However, I would agree that this piece of our psychology is being preyed upon for the almighty dollar.
I think your wrong. Well 3/4 right. No we are not hard wired to be sadistic. That is a myth perpetuated by elites down the times. In religion you had it pushed that you are born in sin. With Darwinism it is that you are 'tooth and claw' like they claim nature is and 'only the strongest survive'--so all these myths mould you. I am hoping that psychedelic/tripping (which is what this thread is about ) will reveal this.
in MY lifetime it has. I was getting a sadistic streak, but at 15 with help from LSD I was dramtically changed. And remember these were even recreational, so imagine well thought out healing trips and what THEy can achieve.
The power elite do not want you to be compassionate and caring. They want you or your kids to join their sadistic fukin wars, and/or ACCEPT the horros of war. And of cut throat business, and stamping on people when they're down so you can be 'number 1'--that is their trip. So of course they promote sadism.
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I dont think the creators of Doom(going retro) WANT kids to kill each other...... that would mean less customers.
It dont work like that. The vibe is violent. The overall vibe. Less respect for others, for animals. Kids who are addicted to vid games. All this feeds them the $$$$$ they crave.
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But, I do think they are fully aware of the addictive rush of racking up a graphic kill count, or like duke nukem, lets get some nudity in there somewhere!
I -do- think the division is promoted... It is in the Big Boys best interest that we squabble over the carrot while they use us to plow the field, only to reap the greater part of the harvest and THEN pass out the feed to us as if we should feel privillaged to recieve it.
This is what I mean by you seem to go only 3/4 of the way. Something seems to be holding you back to seeing it as it really is to the roots.
I think psychedelics does this--for me anyhow. I see direct no bullshit.
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But, I dont think that rap music and violent video games are the MAJOR part of this sort of diagram.
Also, as far as rap music goes...... people were making it a long time before the media giants were promoting it... So, if the idea is that "gangsta rap" is inherently "bad" get that out of your head right away.....
They are part of it thats all we need to know. Part of the cancer eating away at the young etc. With a cancer you dont just take a part of it away. All of it has to go.
As for your idea of gangsta rap not being a negative influence on everyone then watch this great video that will prove otherwise!
[url=#]HipHop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes[/url]
It is all connected in fact. It may seem strange that the same big profit boys part of the civilization that dropped nuclear bombs on cities full of babies, children, people, and animals, and sprayed agent orange on forests full of babies, children, people, and animals, and other ongling evil horric shit, would both be sadists and promote sadism in the young etc, but there we are!
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It is a sad fact of life that some people get so wrapped up in the game, that they would kill someone for 20 dollars or a pair of sneakers or some off-hand insult, I mean , try to answer -this- question correctly. "Watchu lookin at foo!"
ME :" erm..... you, wondering where you learned to dress yourself, or if maybe they just dont make pants in your size."
^ btw ^ I blame that on the fathers....... so in need of earning and deserving respect, that it gets twisted into a demand for respect,or else.
I have been thinking a lot about the way we live our lives lately...................
I hope to hell Jesus is coming back in 2012. I am not sure where else we -could- go as a whole community....
IT -seems-..... that there is no way OUT of this..... the best I could hope for is a mild acceptance of the "way things are" and to do the best I could.......
But, the idea that "everything will get better" is so far out of the question, based simply upon the Great Men unwilling to release the power, and the Weak Men unwilling to come together and well.... in no uncertain terms.... murder every one of those who wish to retain control over the mass of humanity.
I think it is absurd to imagine 'Jesus' or superman or the 'aliens' is gonna come and bail us out. Each one of us has to SEE first whats going on and get responsible even if it means your on your own against a crowd who cant see what you mean. You have to see it first.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11176019 - 10/03/09 03:13 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmmm, Well.... as far as the sadism thing, I guess I have alwasy accepted the "survival of the fittest" sort of mentality..... Hadnt thought about things without that forming some part of the picture.
I didnt say rap was not a negative influence...... To me, I view it like art. An expression of truth. But, I find a lot of people who dont see it that way, They think that it is about spreading hatred.... and I dont really think that is the intention...... ( I live in rural southern midwest )
NOT TO SAY that some 15yr old doesnt hear it and suddenly want to slap bitches , smoke crack and kill 'niggaz'..... Kids are very impressionable.
I agree with the idea that waiting around for salvation isnt a realistic idea...... But, I guess I am at a loss for what I could do on a larger scale than my own life.
Back to the sadism thing..... Ok, what about like egypt, or rome, or the vikings or the mongols or feudal japan?
I mean, I find it hard to believe that some illuminati like conspiracy was encouraging ALL those cultures towards violence.
So why does the hatred and violence seem so inherant?
Something I thought about the other day, Lets say that killing each other for resources and territory is normal for an animal which we evolved from...............
The POINT that this is no longer an excuse is the fact that we are able to recognize the behavior, Our mental faculties greatly outwheigh the other animals..... And so, the idea that "it was just my instincts, I couldnt help it" isnt a good enough excuse anymore.
But you are saying it is not natural in a human to be viole.....
Ahhh, I am equating sadism(pleasure thru inflicting pain) with violence(forceful agressive actions).....
And in reality they are two seperate things..... hmmmmmmm
Dang.... I am going to have to think about that. But I am tending to think you are correct that it is not a normal human function to recieve pleasure from inflicting pain.
LoL, way too long of posts.... anyway, I probably wont allow my kids(when I have some) to watch TV or listen to rap until they are 18 yrs old.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11176244 - 10/03/09 04:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow this violence thing his quiet interesting. But i have to say that, violence is a huge part of human nature. Take a look at history, has there ever been a period in civilization without some sort of war or battles?
Hell just look at the movies we watch, how many movies/tv shows revolve around violence? Through out history we have "entertained" ourselves with violence and death. Its quite disgusting that we find it funny/entertaining to watch other ppl being harmed and or killed.
People always resort to violence if they cant resolve a problem by talking, which is a lot of the time. How many times have you guys heard a friend or a family member say "im going to beat his or her ass" or "im going to kill that guy/girl"? i think its quite obvious that ppl=violence, there is no denying it.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: eruditemonkey]
#11176654 - 10/03/09 05:32 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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There have been a lot of good posts in this thread, but I have to ask.
Why do you care if other people see tripping as a serious business? Shouldn't affect your way to do it, so I really don't see the point of having this debate.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: eruditemonkey]
#11178754 - 10/04/09 03:45 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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eruditemonkey said:
wow this violence thing his quiet interesting. But i have to say that, violence is a huge part of human nature. Take a look at history, has there ever been a period in civilization without some sort of war or battles?
It is true that there came about a rise in warrior mindsets which then took over relatively more peacful agrarian peoples. So why would that happen?
If you dig that that mindset is the mindset that took over and created the civilization we know from old, Egypt, Babylon, Sumaria, Rome, etc etc then you must guess that their MYTHS--their stories they inculcate the young to believe would make out that we are inherently violent...right? It would suit their purpose to have you beluieve that.
So why did the warrior originally become like that? Because they had the freedom to choose, as we all do. IF I chose I could right now go out and murder someone, but I could not do that. They chose to want to conquer nature because somehow they became estranged from their own interelation with nature. You must know being used to psychedelic experience how ecstatic is the feeling of feeling in communion with nature? Yet the warrior mindset rejects these feelings. So it ends up in conflict with itself and then wants to act this inner conflict out into the world causing all kinds of sadism and murder.
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Hell just look at the movies we watch, how many movies/tv shows revolve around violence? Through out history we have "entertained" ourselves with violence and death. Its quite disgusting that we find it funny/entertaining to watch other ppl being harmed and or killed.
Who do you think funds Hollywood (the main myth-making centre) and promotes the violence in these films and for what reason. It is the same that promotes violent video games, and violent popular music and war itself! And you right it is disgusting that many of us see this as entertainment, and sad as well.
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People always resort to violence if they cant resolve a problem by talking, which is a lot of the time. How many times have you guys heard a friend or a family member say "im going to beat his or her ass" or "im going to kill that guy/girl"? i think its quite obvious that ppl=violence, there is no denying it.
This is also what I mean. Connect the dots---When you got a culture that promotes violent video games, TV shows, music, war, cops tasering people, etc etc and the general brutal nature of this culture it causes people to think that violence is the norm. This is whats happening.
So appplying all of that to the question of this thread: 'people taking tripping too seriously?'--I had originally answered, 'no, Tripping needs to be taken infinitely seriously' and this is because of the state of everything. The violence from the top to the bottom, and destruction of nature. Everyone now who takes psychedelics must take on the responsibility to trip very very seriously to help heal themselves and these problems instead of using it for yet another escape!
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11179057 - 10/04/09 07:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everyone now who takes psychedelics must take on the responsibility to trip very very seriously to help heal themselves and these problems instead of using it for yet another escape!
if they dont, can we kill them? 
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11180355 - 10/04/09 12:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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it all depends on your definition of fun. some people find self-exploration to be fun while others like to go out and venture into nature or public and explore their altered perception of the world. or some people like to use it as an excuse to do extremely stupid shit.
speaking of stupid shit, my friend took 6 hits of acid last week, the first time he did it. and went temporarily insane as i would like to define it. ignorance in it's purest form (;
anyways. for me, i have major respect drugs i put into my body. it's more of a spiritual refreshment to me than a game. i like to have fun when it's a social kinda ordeal, but if i'm alone or with someone i'm very close to, i prefer intrinsic exploration.
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Your upset because you dont get it OP.
Your misusing beautiful substances.
You suck
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: SummerDaisies]
#11180982 - 10/04/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol he doesn't suck; being confused sucks.
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psychedelicamour said:
it all depends on your definition of fun. some people find self-exploration to be fun while others like to go out and venture into nature or public and explore their altered perception of the world. or some people like to use it as an excuse to do extremely stupid shit.
speaking of stupid shit, my friend took 6 hits of acid last week, the first time he did it. and went temporarily insane as i would like to define it. ignorance in it's purest form (;
anyways. for me, i have major respect drugs i put into my body. it's more of a spiritual refreshment to me than a game. i like to have fun when it's a social kinda ordeal, but if i'm alone or with someone i'm very close to, i prefer intrinsic exploration.
I am glad you are intelligent enough to feel like that. Sounds like your mate is into abusing his body. Using psychedelics as some kind of drug instead of a sacred sacrament.
6 tabs is crazy. Going insane is crazy, pardon the pun.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: eruditemonkey]
#11186606 - 10/05/09 11:13 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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eruditemonkey said:
wow this violence thing his quiet interesting. But i have to say that, violence is a huge part of human nature. Take a look at history, has there ever been a period in civilization without some sort of war or battles?
Hell just look at the movies we watch, how many movies/tv shows revolve around violence? Through out history we have "entertained" ourselves with violence and death. Its quite disgusting that we find it funny/entertaining to watch other ppl being harmed and or killed.
People always resort to violence if they cant resolve a problem by talking, which is a lot of the time. How many times have you guys heard a friend or a family member say "im going to beat his or her ass" or "im going to kill that guy/girl"? i think its quite obvious that ppl=violence, there is no denying it.
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