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 Shad0w
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 Re: people taking tripping too seriously?  [Re: frogstool]
#11158722 - 09/30/09 04:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL!
frogstool..... I like you, hope you post back with your trip once you do.
Once in awhile..... it is good to remember that it IS all about breathing......
In.
And out.
And it KEEPS ON BEING ALIVE!!!!!!!! 
The post I put in your other thread is because I am kinda worried that you are looking for a 'replacement' for religion...........
Makes me sad. 
I think you should try to work out some of the issues you have with your religious upbringing, you know, come to PEACE with it.... ...... or maybe make -that- a goal for your first trip, instead of tripping off into fairy-land. 
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11158776 - 09/30/09 04:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shad0w...I know I have a lot to overcome with my upbringing! I don;t necessarily want shrooms as a replacement, but maybe as a key to another door that opens to another path?! Who knows?
But I do know for sure that I don't want to slam any doors prematurely.
Thank you so much for your compassion and guidance! I have a sense that I'll have my trips with my boyfriend for whatever they are, and I may have some more "religious" trips on my own to explore, and be okay with that...and we'll see what happens.
But I know I'll take your kindness and wisdom with me wherever I go, so thank you.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11158907 - 09/30/09 05:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainTrips said:
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Poptart said:
What do you mean meditating sober gets a lot more done?
And who is to say how it works?
I'll play devils advocate as well and we'll see where this takes us.
Haha I like you :p
For me meditating sober helps me solve my personal conflicts a lot more. It's hard to explain, as everyone's different, but I can achieve a much clearer state of mind sober. For my view of meditation, it just makes more sense to do it sober. I get very distracted by CEV's and I can never clear my thoughts while tripping...well I guess I shouldn't say I can't, but I don't really want to if that makes sense. I love getting taken away on trips by small amounts of meditation, but it's more just to enhance the trip. I have more intention and clarity sober.
Some would for sure argue that I have problems I haven't faced or yada yada, but it's just in my personality. Also, I don't remember many of the realizations that I get whilst tripping. I can't tell you how many times I've had these "amazing" realizations on mushroom trips but when I came down, they weren't there anymore.
What's your view?
Well I honestly have only tripped a couple of times and that was before I picked up meditation.
For the past couple of months I have just been meditating daily as well as practicing yoga. I became very familiar with my mind and how it worked. During my meditations however I had persistant thoughts would keep resurfacing and woulden't go away no matter how much I returned my attention to my breathe.
I was abstaining from weed at the time because I was looking for a job and wanted to pass a drug test. I finnally got a job and decided to smoke some weed.
I meditated about a half an hour before smoking. I then loosened my body up with some yoga and pracited body awarness techniques. Then I took my first toke and returned to my breathe. This was my first time going into a high already conciously aware and relaxed.
WOW. I had never been so high in my life! I felt every single particle of my body vibrate with life and vitality! I felt the chi/prana flow through me and started chanting. I started with low chants to stimulate the lower chakras first and worked my way up the scale. Eventually I stopped chanting and just focused on my breathe. In...out...in...out the sound of my breathe was soothing and put my mind to sleep yet I was ever present and alert at the same time. With each inhale I felt as if I was sucking in light and each exhale was realeasing negative energy.
The union of my breathe reminded me of the divine yin yang - and + duality that makes the universe as it is. Without darkness their can be no light. Without fear their is no love. Without evil their is no good.
After my breathe put my mind to sleep I decided to do some yoga and was amazed at my new found flexability and body awarness.
Fuck I just realized I almost typed out a whole report.
Anyways I'm very passionate about combining drugs with meditation and think it's something everyone should experiement with.
The next day after the high it felt like I never really came down and my mind was more silent then it had ever been.
And I have been able to reach higher and higher high's ever since.
Seriously try this out.
http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Poptart]
#11158942 - 09/30/09 05:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Every person is different and every drug effects every person in a different (sometimes similar) way. What might be a happy party high for some might be a serious and very deep high for others
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: NlightNd1]
#11159143 - 09/30/09 05:39 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: TTT]
#11159223 - 09/30/09 05:53 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Poptart said:
Seriously try this out.
http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html
That's a pretty awesome link - I'm out of Bud right now, but I'll definitely give it a shot when I pick up 
I don't know, but for me it's really interesting seeing just how far the sober mind can go. I mean, we all know that a drug will alter your perceptions, but there's never too much thought about how limitless yourmind in general is.
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The Merry Pranksters did acid and shit ton of other drugs. From what I remember reading they still had a semi-serious agenda behind everything. They still had a point they were trying to get across but were trying a more playful approach.
That's what I'm trying to convey the middleground. You have to know your limits, but as long as you can be honest with yourself and you aren't hurting anyone around you, I'd say go for it!
my view on this is kind of like my view on religion. I think it is definitely a very important part of our culture, and I do believe there is a greater spirit. However. When people take it too seriously and try force their opinions on you, it becomes frustrating. (Not bashing religion - at all )
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11159293 - 09/30/09 06:03 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainTrips said:
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Poptart said:
Seriously try this out.
http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html
That's a pretty awesome link - I'm out of Bud right now, but I'll definitely give it a shot when I pick up
I don't know, but for me it's really interesting seeing just how far the sober mind can go. I mean, we all know that a drug will alter your perceptions, but there's never too much thought about how limitless yourmind in general is.
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TTT said:
The Merry Pranksters did acid and shit ton of other drugs. From what I remember reading they still had a semi-serious agenda behind everything. They still had a point they were trying to get across but were trying a more playful approach.
That's what I'm trying to convey the middleground. You have to know your limits, but as long as you can be honest with yourself and you aren't hurting anyone around you, I'd say go for it!
my view on this is kind of like my view on religion. I think it is definitely a very important part of our culture, and I do believe there is a greater spirit. However. When people take it too seriously and try force their opinions on you, it becomes frustrating. (Not bashing religion - at all )
That's just the thing though. Practicing meditation on and off drugs has made my sober meditations deeper. I am easily able to slip into a trance and I've been noticing lots of changes in my perceptions lately. It's like I will get high and come down a little higher than I was before and I just keep building off of that. But it's important to take breaks with weed. I only smoke about once a week. I find it's best for the body/mind/spirit.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11159345 - 09/30/09 06:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I get where you're coming from as I myself have wanted to go adventuring on trips as well and if my friends wanted to stay in and meditate instead, I'd be errked.
but lately, I've been really needing a trip that teaches me more about myself and where I currently am and what I need to get done cause I've been in a pretty bad place, so those are the kind of trips that I'm trying for. Ironically, when I have it set in my mind this is what I need, my trips are not very helpful at all; compared to trips on a whim with friends as those have turned out to be much more insightful.
So people are just at different phases and moods...
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Poptart]
#11159372 - 09/30/09 06:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's just the thing though. Practicing meditation on and off drugs has made my sober meditations deeper. I am easily able to slip into a trance and I've been noticing lots of changes in my perceptions lately. It's like I will get high and come down a little higher than I was before and I just keep building off of that. But it's important to take breaks with weed. I only smoke about once a week. I find it's best for the body/mind/spirit.
Ahhh that could explain lots - I only take a day pot break when I feel the need to meditate sober.
I normally blaze all day every day.
Today is one of my days off
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11159400 - 09/30/09 06:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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desiretoheal said:i suppose the indigenous people of the Amazon are just wasting their time then? centuries upon centuries of "psychedelic" use and you think they would have got it by now that they are just looking too hard?
While the indigenous people of the Amazon were busy tripping to learn about totem spirits and other spiritual tripe, the rest of the world invented modern civilization. So yeah, it was pretty much a waste of time.
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..I honestly feel many of you have missed some key points, regardless of the amount of times you have taken LSD or whatever entheogens it may be.
Perhaps some of you aren't taking trips serious enough and give it the respect it deserves. It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.
Just like the internet. The internet is serious business, and should never be used for entertainment.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11159412 - 09/30/09 06:17 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont try to expect anything, i say....everything will find u. anytime i trip and i try to find answers and stuff i end up becoming paranoid about other irrelevant stuff. if i just relax and stuff and dont worry bout nothing i end up having revelations find me on their own.
and if they dont find me who fucking cares. im enjoying myself. thats what matters.
but i also feel the other side too. lots of ppl have already had "fun trips" too much and are seeking something more spiritual. some get it the first time and our satisfied, others go overboard and become obssessive with having to find themselves and stuff.
if i do meditate i meditate with no expectations...just mellow and zone out and go into that trance and everything finds me.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: gogyra]
#11159455 - 09/30/09 06:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because "modern civilization" isnt a waste of time?
I think I missed the point.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11159464 - 09/30/09 06:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually modern civilization is a waste of time along with ancient civilization as well. pretty much all civilization is a waste of time. im not even going to began to explain why. too many ppl would argue.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: whatdidusay]
#11159683 - 09/30/09 06:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just let the trip do what it will do.
And so far it hasn't let me down. ^_^
If I get really insightful, well.. Ill let it happen.
Otherwise I go at it with a "This is what I saw, and what I felt" attitude when im sober looking back, instead of thinking with a sober mind about something I saw while tripping and trying to explain it to myself while sober. It doesn't work like that I don't think.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11159692 - 09/30/09 06:50 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainTrips said:
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That's just the thing though. Practicing meditation on and off drugs has made my sober meditations deeper. I am easily able to slip into a trance and I've been noticing lots of changes in my perceptions lately. It's like I will get high and come down a little higher than I was before and I just keep building off of that. But it's important to take breaks with weed. I only smoke about once a week. I find it's best for the body/mind/spirit.
Ahhh that could explain lots - I only take a day pot break when I feel the need to meditate sober.
I normally blaze all day every day.
Today is one of my days off
Ya smoking weed all day is defiantly a hindrance. I used to be an every day stoner and it got me nowhere. I seriously recommend you take a week or two off of weed and just practice sober meditation and then try this out.
http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html
Once I did this and threw in my own spin to it my life really took off. I feel like I'm undergoing a major metamorphosis. But ya this is just what has worked for me and I can't speak for everyone but if you are serious about expanding your conciousness in all directions try it out.
Spiral out...Keep going.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: gogyra]
#11159979 - 09/30/09 07:26 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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gogyra said:
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desiretoheal said:i suppose the indigenous people of the Amazon are just wasting their time then? centuries upon centuries of "psychedelic" use and you think they would have got it by now that they are just looking too hard?
While the indigenous people of the Amazon were busy tripping to learn about totem spirits and other spiritual tripe, the rest of the world invented modern civilization. So yeah, it was pretty much a waste of time.
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..I honestly feel many of you have missed some key points, regardless of the amount of times you have taken LSD or whatever entheogens it may be.
Perhaps some of you aren't taking trips serious enough and give it the respect it deserves. It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.
Just like the internet. The internet is serious business, and should never be used for entertainment.
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This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11160011 - 09/30/09 07:31 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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So...I've been getting kind of frustrated with people who take tripping really seriously (and I know that sounds kind of contradictory, as I'm posting on the shroomery :P) but I mean, what happened too the Merry Pranksters way of tripping? On so many threads I see people trying to read into trips so much, but by thinking so in depth, they completely miss the simplicity of it. It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view. I know that this thread hasn't been well thought out either (I'm pretty tired hah) and that lots of you probably disagree.
I don't really know how to explain what I mean from this, but it just seems people are forgetting about the "let's just have a good time" aspect of tripping in favor of the "let's figure myself out" aspect. If that makes sense.
I want to hear all your opinions and I'm not trying to flam that way of tripping in any way, to each his own.
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And I am in no way saying tripping is not important or serious :P it's just I tripped with a guy who only wanted to meditate on it a little while ago, and I really wanted to go adventuring. I didn't really enjoy the trip.
people genuinely believe that mushrooms or acid or any psychedelic are gifts from god and somehow that they aren't drugs that get you high.. they are drugs that do something other than get you high and therefore deserve a lot more respect. IE people thinking that mushroom trips HAVE to be spiritual or whatever. they don't.
i've had some of the best, pure fun times on shrooms of my life. never once did i over analyze it or think that the mushrooms were showing me some unseen knowledge. i mean, i personally can get my mind in order more by doing some coke or speed or opiates before psychedelics.
basically what im saying is, most people who eat shrooms turn into stereotypical hippies 
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zSDMF]
#11160229 - 09/30/09 08:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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just because you choose to ignore spiritual aspects of the substance, doesn't necessarily mean it is not present..but that's totally fine.
As long as you are getting good vibes and don't cause harm to others, enjoy it.
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If there were no rewards to reap,No loving embrace to see me through
This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zSDMF]
#11160230 - 09/30/09 08:10 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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people genuinely believe that mushrooms or acid or any psychedelic are gifts from god and somehow that they aren't drugs that get you high.. they are drugs that do something other than get you high and therefore deserve a lot more respect. IE people thinking that mushroom trips HAVE to be spiritual or whatever. they don't.
they don't have to be spiritual. in fact people can go into a trip looking for fun and have a life changing experience at the same time. its happened to me before.
these are natural masterpieces of the biological canvas. when you think about how far these things evolved to make chemicals that allow them to be in a relationship with the human brain...its amazing. whether or not you believe in a creator i think these things are gifts regardless of your use of them. if its a blissful intoxication that's a gift! if it is your elucidation that comes, then its a blessing!
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i've had some of the best, pure fun times on shrooms of my life. never once did i over analyze it or think that the mushrooms were showing me some unseen knowledge
shrooms are unique as psychedelics. kind of in a class of their own. they are the backwards clown. they can be very entertaining, silly.
ayahuasca and peyote are another story.
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i mean, i personally can get my mind in order more by doing some coke or speed or opiates before psychedelics
ironically all the people i know of who use such dangerous drugs dont have their minds in order. my friends that used to be into those things regret it and recognize that they are more harmful than beneficial. i have yet to see anyone doing coke, speed or opiates and living a wholesome lifestyle. don't take it the wrong way...just personal experience.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: ShroomDoom]
#11160310 - 09/30/09 08:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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well i'm fucked up and talking shit so that kind of explains the tone of the voice and you are most definitely right, coke meth and opies don't lead to very much in life. what i meant to say was exactly what i did really, people choose to believe a drug is spiritual. well, i don't think choose is the right word because i didn't choose for mushrooms to play out that way for me they just did. now to say that I didn't have trips that totally changed my life is 100% false, but I think because I started eating them at such a young age (12) and in unusually large and vast quantities I just didn't know how to look for any spirituality in the drug. I didn't ANYTHING about them or what they did, except that I knew they grew on cow poo and I knew they had to stain blue, have a golden cap (usually), and have a purple skirt.
I guess it carried over to now because mushrooms have zero spiritual aspects to it. actually I don't eat mushrooms anymore because they give me the worst body load ever, and all they do to my mind is make me feel RETARDED. I can't concentrate on anything.. but I think that's because I abused them. definitely.
I do think its absurd when people think that psychedelics have to be spiritual or are always supposed to have a spiritual theme. I've met people that have bluntly said I am tripping wrong because I have a good time, I giggle at colors and tell wack ass jokes to my friends. I also loved to read the bible, lol. I felt like I was the author of each book, but that's another story. Tripping is what it is, and it doesn't really have to be ANYTHING. That's what I was trying to say earlier, hope I articulated it better.
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