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 Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11127415 - 09/25/09 05:52 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think you guys are getting fascism and communism mixed up.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11128883 - 09/25/09 10:18 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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whew, most of you guys are fucking loony. Clinton was a okay president. He gets a B from me. A lot of you need to read a lot more before you start labeling people as "socialist" or "libertarian", btw, because it's clear that not too many people in this thread know exactly what these words mean.
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Bill Clinton was actually a pretty good president. Especially compared against his replacements.
Sounds like you have some issues with your father which are clouding your judgement towards Clinton.
You don't give many specifics to back your opinion which suggests you are a political novice.
If you haven't gotten into politics I would suggest you stay out of national politics as there is almost no logic to it whatsoever- just a bunch of old people being rude and trying to get on tv. Just look at the regulars here on this forum- would you really want these people as your neighbors? 
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: zorbman]
#11129910 - 09/26/09 04:09 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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he actually balanced and reversed the trend of the federal budget. he definitely gets points from me for doing that.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Yrat]
#11129935 - 09/26/09 04:25 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The most popular storyline offered by these Monday morning quarterbacks is that the mistaken decision to allow Lehman to fail resulted from the Bush Administration's misplaced faith in the free markets. In this telling, the real crises began in the days following the Lehman bankruptcy, which unleashed a financial panic that would have caused complete economic collapse -- if not for the subsequent federal intervention.
In reality, Lehman's demise was simply the result of an unfolding crisis that began years before. Popular belief aside, allowing the institution to succumb to the overwhelming debts on its balance sheet was perhaps the only correct decision made by government since this crisis began. The propagandists' complete reversal of cause and effect now threatens to spur the government to compound prior mistakes and bring on the next phase of the financial crisis. Unfortunately, this chapter will likely be much more dangerous than what we saw last fall.
However, politics quickly trumped economics, and the Lehman trial balloon soon turned into the Hindenburg. Washington had no stomach for the ensuing financial carnage, and when other institutions began to topple, Bush, Paulson and Bernanke abandoned their prior convictions and threw all they had into the ensuing bailout bonanza. As a result, the moral hazard that they had sought to avoid now exists on a scale unprecedented in our history. Capitalism has been extinguished on Wall Street, and our financial institutions now exist as public utilities. The presidents of our biggest banks are now the highest paid civil servants in the world!
Since market forces are no longer allowed to allocate capital and control risk, these decisions are now made by government regulators and are then passed through to their subordinates on Wall Street. This perverse organizational structure constitutes a new form of American fascism.
~Peter Schiff
control over financial sector, auto sector, housing sector, have i forgotten any? if it's not fascism now, when does it start to be?
i forgot the attempts at the health care sector!
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: robcypher]
#11130029 - 09/26/09 05:32 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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whew, most of you guys are fucking loony. Clinton was a okay president. He gets a B from me. A lot of you need to read a lot more before you start labeling people as "socialist" or "libertarian", btw, because it's clear that not too many people in this thread know exactly what these words mean.
Some people would do well to study economics, looking at business cycle theory in particular, and they might discover that Clinton was one of the individuals responsible for the housing market bubble. Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and of course the fed chairman at the time Alan Greenspan are all also to varying degrees at fault for that massive market distortion. The economic mess we are in could be called the partial effects of the necessary market correction to fix the malinvestment caused by artificially low interest rates and bogus legislation like the Community Reinvestment Act. Austrian Business Cycle Theory is key to understanding why the economy is presently F.U.B.A.R. and not merely S.N.A.F.U.
It needs to be remembered that you can't truly ascertain a leader until you see the effects of their decisions many years later...
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 Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11130144 - 09/26/09 06:46 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Clinton merely modified policies extended forth by Bush I and Reagan. The Reagan/Bush people are who you need to look at (remember the S&L scandals, Iran-Contra, etc)
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: robcypher]
#11130206 - 09/26/09 07:10 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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right
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Yrat]
#11130865 - 09/26/09 10:40 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: mushateman]
#11130882 - 09/26/09 10:45 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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right
he's right, clinton was tied into iran/contra as well as heavily tied to
the S&L scandals, let's not forget whitewater, the clintons disappearing
and reappearing records and the way the clinton know anything about
anything that they had any dealings with
with the S&L scandals tax payers footed the bill for $125bn and they
still went under with none of that money being recovered
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Bill Clinton had his selling points.
The economy was strong during his terms. Which was a result of not doing anything to fuck it up during his term, but his economic policies did very little to insure future economic strength. He seemed to have a good grasp of foreign affairs.
Bill Clinton should have lost his job.
The Lewinsky scandal was about more than lying under oath. The none of your business argument really doesn't fly. The President of the United States of America having sexual relations of any kind with an intern is sleazy at best. I would assert that the the top dog in our government having an affair with an intern is more a misuse of his position and even predatory abuse of power. Certainly not in the best interest of the public, and combined with the lied under oath condition should have resulted in a different outcome.
Have a nice day,
The False Diviner
everyone makes some good points in this thread, but the fact of the matter is that besides not doing anything to truly "fuck up" the budget and that if anything its like someone else said, he didnt do anything that is sustainable in the long run, more or less a house of cards, and part of that is the fact that taxation was so high that in the end it contributed to whats going on now by more or less giving a false sense that everything is going okay and only living in the "now" without looking ahead to see the consequences of said policies is a fallacy. it is also a fallacy to give him so much credit for everything that happened when it seems like the the budget was the way it was in spite of what he did not because of it.
nothing long term was looked into and i feel he was not progressive like he makes himself out to be but moreso just trying to keep the status quo.
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everyone makes some good points in this thread, but the fact of the matter is that besides not doing anything to truly "fuck up" the budget
he gave 5% of the budget to his friends in banking so they could close up shop and retire early
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: robcypher]
#11132909 - 09/26/09 04:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is as if the presidency is a political hot potato...
You attempt to prop everything up (see: bubble economics a.k.a. keynesian economics). Prevent the liquid shit from hitting the fan. Pass the job to the next useless schlep....
Economic distortions need to be corrected in order for the economy to move forward in a meaningful way (efficient allocation of available resources).
The problem we run into is that market corrections for systemic malinvesment are inherently painful throughout the economy.
Thus, actually fixing economic problems is politically unpopular because people don't want to be told the truth that the solution is painful.
Economic corrections that are allowed to take their course (Id est: America circa 1920-1921) are somewhat severe, but short lived.
Government intervention (such as the nonsense during the Great Depression) leads to protracted economic agony, an increase in the size and scope of government, and an economy that is less responsive due to government regulation.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11134837 - 09/26/09 11:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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What do you mean when you say, "efficient allocation of available resources"?
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11135926 - 09/27/09 06:22 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think he means the liquidation of assets of insolvent institutions. when capitalism is in place, companies that go bankrupt sell off their assets to pay off debts. these assets are bought by those who operate in an efficient matter and are actually able to produce a profit. this way, resources are transferred from failing institutions and sectors to those succeeding and growing, generating positive growth.
propping up these insolvent institutions with taxpayer money prevents this natural process from occurring and only delays the inevitable.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: C.M. Mann]
#11144291 - 09/28/09 01:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is exactly what I mean. Rewarding failure is detrimental to society. We have stagnant unresponsive markets in America due to the "too big to fail" central economic planning approach. Our auto industry has been "bailed out a couple times. Unions from the American auto makers have an unhealthy amount of influence in politics. The American car companies have become a welfare state unto themselves!
The fallacies inherent in central economic planning are what destroyed the U.S.S.R. Politicians are generally corrupt individuals with dubious "understanding" of economics. It makes no sense whatsoever to allow them to meddle with the market.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11144688 - 09/28/09 02:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The only economy most politicians understand is the economy of votes.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11145739 - 09/28/09 06:03 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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The fallacies inherent in central economic planning are what destroyed the U.S.S.R.
This might be true, but it is the fallacies of the free market will be what destroys the U.S.
I love listening libertarians talk about the free market. They talk about the grand ideas of competition reducing costs, an efficient allocation of resources, and proper valuation of good and services all the time. But if I had a dollar for every time a libertarian talked about the assumptions that the free market theory was based on like, free entry and exit from markets, absolute consumer knowledge, efficient labor markets, uniformity of goods, and zero externalizes I would be FLAT BROKE.
And don't even get me started on unions. Under a free market unions have the same right to exist as corporations do.
But of course, all of this is theory. And I find it interesting that if we look at reality, we can see many countries which are vastly more "socialist" than the U.S. that have much better standards of living than the united states, but still have lower unemployment, higher production per unit, and extend virtually the exact same freedoms to the people that the U.S. extends to me.
I of course put socialist in quotes because reasonable and rational government intervention in the market has never been socialist. And if it is, then the U.S. has been a Socialist country from day one.
And getting back to the point, Clinton was a fine moderate president. I didn't like what he signed regarding gay rights, some of his banking deregulation, and handling of Wacco. But Over all I would give him a solid B as President.
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: Mr.Al]
#11146941 - 09/28/09 08:40 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rewarding failure is detrimental to society. We have stagnant unresponsive markets in America due to the "too big to fail" central economic planning approach.
"Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard--the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money--the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.
"Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed."
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Re: bill clinton fucking sucked [Re: zorbman]
#11147424 - 09/28/09 10:02 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good thing I have some gold. Wont have to worry about a thing when this country falls. I'll by a boat with the gold and sail my way to some uninhabited island.
As for clinton not fucking anything up? Wow have people really forgotten who put us in a recession? I admit the quality of life for Americans was a lot better than his successor but we still had money that was borrowed during bush sr. term for the gulf war.
Why does bill clintons opinion matter? He cant do anything but talk. His lesbian wife hates him so he is useless to this country now.
Now in 96 if I was old enough to vote, I would have voted for ross perot. That guy was a number cruncher. I believe if he was president NOW he could fix this economy and the medicare system.
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