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Bipolardox
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Thanks, that'll be a fun side project. An added bonus to finding wood lovers
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Twiztidsage
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If you know anyone that grows cubes, tell them to save the stem butts for you.
They don't necessarily have to be wood lovers for it to work.
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fishbutt
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Hey...
So update... I let the stupid cardboard dry out... almost dry but still plyable... so not as wet as i know it needs to be... but on the section i squirted some CR cube spores... there was a huge web of myc!!! holy crap! I rehydrated with a squirt bottle and made sure excess water was absorbed and drained. The myc is still there so im hoping it didn't dry all the way out! We will see ill def. keep you updated on this and yes it works!!! Just don't be a dumbass and let your little pieces of cardboard dry out!
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Twiztidsage
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Re: Stem Butts!!! [Re: fishbutt]
#11180229 - 10/04/09 11:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pics?
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fishbutt
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yes sir...  cross fingers they come back to life vibrantly!

Also... these were on the bottom and stuck to the plastic... i moved them to the top so they would be easier to take a pic of, but alot of it is still on the bottom, so im hoping that it will also attach itself to the bottom pieces of cardboard! yippie
I was just doing this as a test to see if it would work just sitting outside neglected here in HI to see what it would do... so I used a small sandwich container and the same type of cardboard with the ridges, but just in smaller pieces... right off the box, soaked them by holding them under the faucet... let them drip dry, no sterilization what so ever!!! Will keep it updated
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Edited by fishbutt (10/04/09 03:07 PM)
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Re: Stem Butts!!! [Re: fishbutt]
#11306493 - 10/23/09 01:11 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK...
So now I have a whole crap load of colonized cardboard! Cube myc!
After a few g2g i had that small amount of kibbles and bits left over so i dumped them in between layers of cardboard... and bamo... colonized in no time! 
So...case them in poop? Spawn something with them? What would be the best option?
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Re: Stem Butts!!! [Re: fishbutt]
#11340536 - 10/28/09 04:45 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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Update...
Im not expecting too much out of this project so im not putting that much time into... but what do you know! All i did was put some unsterile peat moss wetted down to field capacity on top of the cardboard and put them back in the same spot outside with the lid of the tupperware slightly on slightly off. Anyway checked it few days later... and heres what we see:

HA HA looks like it may fruit... woooord. Just going to leave it as is until i see some pins and then ill move it inside to give the pins room to get big
Aloha, FB
just wanted to say... this works great, its cheap, easy, and well lets see what happens... are fruits grown of cardboard and peat going to be potent? Anyone ever tried straight cardboard fruits? LOL
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Bipolardox
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Re: Stem Butts!!! [Re: fishbutt]
#11340796 - 10/28/09 05:31 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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you gotta be kidding!! Thats nutz!!!!
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fishbutt
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ha ha... nope not kidding! Its real!
I made a peat sandwich... cardboard, peat, cardboard, peat, cardboard, peat... and left it for like 5 days... it dawned on me to look at it today b/c i was doing laundry and it sits outside on a shelf above the washing machine... ha ha ha 

Gotta love having constant 75-80 temps always... and now its starting to turn "winter" which just means big n.shore waves and rain and... more copelandias out in the fields than you can imagine!
Anyway... has anyone ever tried fruits off straight cardboard??? Id love to hear some feedback 
Peace FB
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Re: Stem Butts!!! [Re: fishbutt]
#11429975 - 11/10/09 10:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have never ate a shroom that came from cardboard but I do know that substrate doesnt effect potency genetics do. so if that was from a spore syringe potency is unknown but should still do the job. 
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Really impressive. I'm always a fan of simplicity. Be sure to keep us updated on how fruiting turns out.
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Hey twiz, it's been over a month since you posted pics, any updates? That stuff was looking pretty crazy!
Fishbutt, I know that RR has fruited off a bible before, which I would imagine is a similar composition to cardboard, so I would say that it could work, but you'd probably need a bible's worth of stuff to get any decent sized fruits. I like the experiments you're doing, I've never seen these methods being used for cubes before, very nice! I'll definitely have to give that a shot!
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Quote:
13shrooms said: I have never ate a shroom that came from cardboard but I do know that substrate doesnt effect potency genetics do. so if that was from a spore syringe potency is unknown but should still do the job. 

But didnt someone have potency issues with using white rice? lol
Not trying to deny your claim I just remembered reading that thread a while back and it seemed to have something to do with it being white rice lol.
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Re: Stem Butts!!! [Re: XD40]
#11432512 - 11/11/09 10:30 AM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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XD40 - I remember that thread from a few years ago... I remember the guy grew Z-strain on white rice and said the whole flush was bunk. I remember it because he cased it in a container that was square an tall like an old milk carton or something... But yeah I will be interested to find out!
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Re: Stem Butts!!! [Re: fishbutt]
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fishbutt
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well played now we are clear
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Twiztidsage
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Quote:
13shrooms said: I have never ate a shroom that came from cardboard but I do know that substrate doesnt effect potency genetics do. so if that was from a spore syringe potency is unknown but should still do the job. 

Not true at all.
From Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World by Paul Stamets:
"Adding to the difficulty of ascertaining precise dosages is research byBeug and Bigwood (1982) which found a fourfold difference in the psilocybin content from mushrooms grown on rye grain, and nearly a tenfold difference in specimens collected in the wild.
Gartz (1989) found that raising tryptamine concentrations of cow dung and rice media by 25 millimolars directly affected the potency of Psilocybe cubensis mycelia, specifically in psilocin content: from .09% to 3.3% of dried mass. (Psilocybin content was actually depressed, but not nearly on the same order of magnitude.) This discovery may well explain why certain strains of P. cubensis are more potent than others when the diets of cattle are supplemented with nutrient-rich feed.
Jochen Gartz (1989) also made the interesting observation in the culturing of P. azurescens and P. cubensis mycelium that the raising of malt sugars to more than 10% resulted in the complete suppression of psilocybin production.
These two observations, one with tryptamines and the other with (carbon rich) sugars, underscore that the nutritional content of the substrate significantly affects potency."
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Twiztidsage
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As far as my stem butts I have no updates, but I think my room is too cold. The mycelium doesn't appear dead, but it has stopped growing.
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badman
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Nice info
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13shrooms
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Quote:
Twiztidsage said:
Quote:
13shrooms said: I have never ate a shroom that came from cardboard but I do know that substrate doesnt effect potency genetics do. so if that was from a spore syringe potency is unknown but should still do the job. 

Not true at all.
From Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World by Paul Stamets:
"Adding to the difficulty of ascertaining precise dosages is research byBeug and Bigwood (1982) which found a fourfold difference in the psilocybin content from mushrooms grown on rye grain, and nearly a tenfold difference in specimens collected in the wild.
Gartz (1989) found that raising tryptamine concentrations of cow dung and rice media by 25 millimolars directly affected the potency of Psilocybe cubensis mycelia, specifically in psilocin content: from .09% to 3.3% of dried mass. (Psilocybin content was actually depressed, but not nearly on the same order of magnitude.) This discovery may well explain why certain strains of P. cubensis are more potent than others when the diets of cattle are supplemented with nutrient-rich feed.
Jochen Gartz (1989) also made the interesting observation in the culturing of P. azurescens and P. cubensis mycelium that the raising of malt sugars to more than 10% resulted in the complete suppression of psilocybin production.
These two observations, one with tryptamines and the other with (carbon rich) sugars, underscore that the nutritional content of the substrate significantly affects potency."
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7826767#7826767 you can take that up with RR or Workman. its genetics, I dont care what Gartz thinks he did. Gartz supposedly grew Liberty Caps indoors also but not to much proof on that but a bunch of papers he wrote saying he did. no pics of the process.
Workman grew Libs indoors with proof and posted it on shroomery.
Im growin Libs indoors and documenting the whole process to prove my work. Gartz is very vague with his studies.
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