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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#11117536 - 09/24/09 04:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would have to go with posting on the The Shroomery.
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Icelander
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: xFrockx]
#11119207 - 09/24/09 01:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: There is no biggest obstacle and there is no awakening.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11119359 - 09/24/09 01:56 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander, Are you happy?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11120561 - 09/24/09 05:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grumpiness is a form of happiness.
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cyb3rtr0n
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11121419 - 09/24/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fraggin said: The mind itself, or the mind's perspective? Preference maybe?
perception
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Almond Flour
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11125691 - 09/25/09 01:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thinking you have a answer or seeking an end. This is the main problem with Buddhism and the new age movement in my opinion. While they offer some great wisdom, if you hope to gain some true speed in your spiritual process its not about filling the mind with shit to dwell on.
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Fraggin
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Almond Flour]
#11125721 - 09/25/09 02:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm becoming aware of this as well. The more one studies philosophy and the means to a path, the more times is wasted that could be used embarking upon the journey.
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Rahz
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11125974 - 09/25/09 02:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think most people want/are ready, to be enlightened. Could also be said, ego doesn't want it.
Ego does want adventures, good times, maybe women, kids, family, money, etc.
If you don't want to want any of that, enlightenment would be reasonable.
Who wants to be enlightened?
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Ahimsa
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
#11126181 - 09/25/09 03:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly!
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Almond Flour
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Rahz]
#11126310 - 09/25/09 03:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Rahz said: I don't think most people want/are ready, to be enlightened. Could also be said, ego doesn't want it.
Ego does want adventures, good times, maybe women, kids, family, money, etc.
If you don't want to want any of that, enlightenment would be reasonable.
Who wants to be enlightened?
Whos to say those things arnt apart of enlightenment???? Not every enlightened being needs to be a Bodhisattva in my opinion. If we consider CHrist comparing the kingdom to enlightenment.....He goes off to say some of the above mentioned is required to even enter the kingdom/nirvana
Just a thought
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Rahz
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Almond Flour]
#11126386 - 09/25/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's more than a thought. I think the norm when considering enlightenment is that you take all the "good" desires with you. That would just make it even better right?
It's worth considering that if enlightenment is the end of desire, it will be the end to a lot of things.
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." - Gilbert Keith Chesterton
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Rahz]
#11126509 - 09/25/09 04:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are no good desires because nothing is good. Nothing is bad.
Fact of the matter is though, wanting is a state of unsatisfaction. Is it the cause of all unsatisfaction? Possibly. If it were, then complete satisfaction is as easy as not wanting.
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Fraggin
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: xFrockx]
#11126530 - 09/25/09 04:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Desirelessness is not a state of being, it's a practice. Therefore, if it's attained, even for a moment, it can be lost if no longer practiced.
I'm beginning to think that expecting to reach a certain state of any kind of being, and expecting to stay there is insanity.
Even the most innate objects of existence rarely succumb to one state without changing. Perhaps they do from our perspective, but even the tallest, most unmoveable mountain ranges on this planet are constantly being forced into change by something as gentle as the wind.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11128442 - 09/25/09 10:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Biggest obstacle to becoming awakened - sex dreams or the snooze button.
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reliantself
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#11130983 - 09/26/09 12:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems like you wouldn't care to be awakened if you were perfectly content. Seems ignorance might overpower a want of something more. After all, don't we seek spirituality and enlightenment out of a sense of not being content or out of pain?
Just my thought.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: reliantself]
#11131090 - 09/26/09 12:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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People seek enlightenment because they were sold a bill of goods - a magic state free from all want and pain.
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explosiveoxygen
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#11131167 - 09/26/09 12:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: People seek enlightenment because they were sold a bill of goods - a magic state free from all want and pain.
Without desire there is only death, are these people in denial of their suicidal tendencies?
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
#11132456 - 09/26/09 04:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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True liberation is the ability to find joy in suffering.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Rahz]
#11133477 - 09/26/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Rahz said: I don't think most people want/are ready, to be enlightened. Could also be said, ego doesn't want it.
Ego does want adventures, good times, maybe women, kids, family, money, etc.
If you don't want to want any of that, enlightenment would be reasonable.
Who wants to be enlightened?
Yeah thats pretty true, IMO. Many people associate high spiritual states with happiness and ease of life. They hope to keep their same life but make it easier and make them happier.
Also, it's probably like dying or falling asleep - a change so massive that most people don't *really* want it. "Awakening" is synonymous to falling asleep to the old ways.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: explosiveoxygen]
#11133512 - 09/26/09 07:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The real obstacle is - let's face it - pussy! That is why monks are celibate.
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