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Analysis of a conspiracy theory
#11014494 - 09/07/09 12:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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While 9/11, NWO etc. are debated hotly on these boards, here is a video of a conspiracy I doubt many of us believe (5:50):
(9:57)
There are multiple simple reasons (see "Occam's razor") as to why there are atheists, and why they are growing in numbers, without having to involve a conspiracy theory. However, these christians reject the simple answer because they are too close minded to believe people can leave their faith by themselves.
In order to explain what is happening, they feel there must be a "man behind the curtain" who is influencing things.
While the facts/evidence they use could possibly point to a conspiracy, a conspiracy is not necessary for them to be true, and is extremely unlikely. Note there can not be any evidence that would disprove this theory.
The theorists then cite the existence of this conspiracy as a danger, in order to push their own agenda.
This model applies to other conspiracy theories too. Some people cannot accept a simple explanation for things, so there needs to be an elaborate story, with an agenda, for them to believe an event.
Do the mods a favor: Please don't turn this into a 9/11 conspiracy debate thread. I want other people's input on how conspiracy theories arise, and what makes some theories more believable or unlikely than others.
Discuss.
EDIT: Added second video as it is more "Conspiracy theory"-ish.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Green_T]
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Green_T said:
The theorists then cite the existence of this conspiracy as a danger, in order to push their own agenda.
There you have it folks.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Green_T]
#11014526 - 09/07/09 12:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry... where was the conspiracy theory in there?
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: DNKYD]
#11014544 - 09/07/09 12:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: I'm sorry... where was the conspiracy theory in there?
An atheist plot using the mainstream media to "brainwash" the children away from Christianity.
They believe people are becoming atheist because they are being influenced by the media.
I added the second video as it is more of an "atheist conspiracy theory"
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Morgenstern]
#11014552 - 09/07/09 12:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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That video has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory. It's just a bunch of christians saying "I don't like Dawkins."
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Green_T]
#11014559 - 09/07/09 12:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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More like influenced by common sense and scientific studies.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Morgenstern]
#11014566 - 09/07/09 12:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Atheists did 9/11
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: twighead]
#11014577 - 09/07/09 12:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't get it.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Morgenstern]
#11014603 - 09/07/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Despite the glaring flaws in atheism.
Common sense does not have flaws.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Vibes]
#11014882 - 09/07/09 01:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no unified common sense, it is disparate and conflicting among people. Thus most common sense does have huge flaws in it and it is not a worthy method.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: DieCommie]
#11015000 - 09/07/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought common sense was something EVERYONE could relate to, but some were too dumb to learn it.
You can't relate to something you don't know. I'm not sure about anything anymore!
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Morgenstern]
#11015001 - 09/07/09 02:07 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Brainwashing: washing of the brain.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Morgenstern]
#11015119 - 09/07/09 02:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Common sense is somebody's faith that they just expect everybody else to believe.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Green_T]
#11574845 - 12/03/09 03:10 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well seeing as how the three thing's wrong with the world today are government, society, and religion, not so bad.
Legalize Freedom.
Viva La Hoffman.
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Green_T]
#11574850 - 12/03/09 03:13 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by Flop Johnson (12/03/09 03:14 AM)
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Flop Johnson]
#11574946 - 12/03/09 04:17 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
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http://www.amazon.com/Not-Chance-Shattering-Modern-Evolution/dp/1880582244
"Each new revelation in genetic research, no matter how bizarre and unforeseen, can be construed as a ringing confirmation of the theory of evolution, or so evolutionary biologists would have us believe. With this book, Dr. Lee Spetner risks the wrath of the evolution establishment by challenging the validity of the neo-Darwinian theory, or "dogma" as he calls it. Evolutionists assume that the observed ability of organisms like finches and bacteria to adapt to altered environments is clear proof of the NDT, which holds that random mutations in the DNA molecule are a prime factor in these adaptations. But this inference is negated by compelling new evidence at every level of biology according to Spetner, whose credentials include an MIT doctorate in physics, expertise in molecular biology, and published papers on biology in prestigious scientific journals. Numerous experiments are cited indicating many of these survival modifications are linked to a particular class of nonrandom mutations responding on cue to specific changes in the environment. A given external stimulus will trigger the same chain reaction of hormone-induced DNA mutations every time, yielding an identical adaptive response.
Spetner claims research findings like these which don't fit approved doctrine are simply ignored by evolutionary biologists. That charge is echoed with gusto by renowned biologist Lynn Margulis, who issues scathing denunciations of their obscurantist tactics in "Slanted Truths." She believes the "stranglehold" of the Darwinian "religious movement" can only be broken by a rational counter-force from outside the fold. Spetner's authoritative book is an ideal instrument for this deliverance. Critics of the NDT will savor the hard-science rigor of molecular arguments adduced against a theory they believe is largely based on speculative just-so stories.
In a historical overview, the author reminds us that when the so-called synthetic theory was first crafted fifty years ago, DNA had yet to be discovered. Darwin himself was blissfully ignorant of the functions and structure of the cell. We now know that mammals are composed of trillions of cells, each containing an information-packed DNA molecule and hundreds of interacting organelles. It is therefore not unreasonable to ask: What if Darwin's quaint theory were advanced today for the first time? The proposal that a clumsy hypothetical mechanism modeled on eighteenth century economic theories and pigeon breeding practices could possibly account for the origins of EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT in the incredibly complex universe of microbiology unfolding before our eyes would be laughable. The hodgepodge theory of evolution has become a religious faith so deeply ingrained in its adherents they appear oblivious to its absurdities. This book relates how stunning advances in biotechnology in just the past two decades have dramatically widened the gulf separating the realities of empirical science from the myths of neo-Darwinism.
A number of these myths are spun in "The Blind Watchmaker" by one of evolution's high priests, zoologist Richard Dawkins. Spetner searched this work for traces of solid science and found mainly false assumptions and technical inaccuracies instead. He notes that, "like many passionate believers, Dawkins did not examine his evidence critically." Indeed, his vaunted cumulative selection thesis is riddled with unfounded assumptions. He built his case for it entirely on the power of the concept, with not one word of proof. His biomorph and lexical computer simulations are demonstrated not to represent natural selection as his uncritical disciples may believe, only artificial selection, as in pigeon breeding.
The author's diversified background, which also includes lectureships in information theory and communication theory at Johns Hopkins University, enables him to speak expertly on a host of technical issues surrounding this subject. Laymen who've fallen behind the dazzling pace of microbiology will be intrigued by his lucid account of the counter-intuitive adaptive strategies in Nature's arsenal. The architecture and mechanisms of the DNA molecule are examined in depth, introducing lay readers to a host of basic concepts like introns, transitrons, point mutations, mutation rates, genetic information and heritable genetic switches. This potent brew is spiced with liberal doses of humorous asides and amusing anecdotes.
It should be noted that Spetner's work is narrowly focused on the purely secular, scientific aspects of his topic. It rarely strays into the domains of metaphysics or theology. Amazon reviewers of this book who parrot mindless shibboleths about creationism and gods of the gap as they did with Michael Behe's ground-breaking "Darwin's Black Box " will clearly establish they either didn't read the book or have been hopelessly brainwashed in orthodox biology classes.
To appreciate the extent of evolutionists' distortions in the classroom, one has only to browse through a current biology textbook after reading Spetner. To cite one case, he has found thousands of examples of convergence, or parallel evolution, buried in the literature, so one might assume they are a significant fact of biological life. He demonstrates mathematically the impossibly long odds against these uncanny near-identities of features in unrelated species, like wings in birds and bats, being evolved by any feat of natural selection. Evidently academic biologists prefer not to dispute this conclusion. A typical nationally distributed college text, "Biology " by N.A. Campbell, contains 1200 pages saturated with evolution mythology, but just one short paragraph on convergence. An equally inextricable companion phenomenon, mimicry, is completely ignored. Other slanted omissions and distortions abound.
Spetner's definitive treatise on what many consider an extremely important issue deserves a much wider audience than it presently commands. Whereas the shelf space afforded the evolutionist tomes of Dawkins and Steven J. Gould in the mega book stores Barnes & Noble and Borders is measured in linear feet, "Not by Chance" is nowhere in sight, not even in inventory. These giant outlets are rapidly driving out alternative book sellers. The inability of an author of Spetner's stature to address a substantial segment of the population that would be sympathetic to his message amounts to de facto censorship by a quasi-monopolistic distribution system. Although most of them will never have the opportunity, avid evolutionists would find this slender volume an eye-opening read."
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Morgenstern]
#11574955 - 12/03/09 04:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mataspore said:
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Green_T said:
The theorists then cite the existence of this conspiracy as a danger, in order to push their own agenda.
There you have it folks.
yup
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Re: Analysis of a conspiracy theory [Re: Green_T]
#11574984 - 12/03/09 04:41 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green_T said: While 9/11, NWO etc. are debated hotly on these boards, here is a video of a conspiracy I doubt many of us believe (5:50):
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There are multiple simple reasons (see "Occam's razor") as to why there are atheists, and why they are growing in numbers, without having to involve a conspiracy theory. However, these christians reject the simple answer because they are too close minded to believe people can leave their faith by themselves.
In order to explain what is happening, they feel there must be a "man behind the curtain" who is influencing things.
While the facts/evidence they use could possibly point to a conspiracy, a conspiracy is not necessary for them to be true, and is extremely unlikely. Note there can not be any evidence that would disprove this theory.
The theorists then cite the existence of this conspiracy as a danger, in order to push their own agenda.
This model applies to other conspiracy theories too. Some people cannot accept a simple explanation for things, so there needs to be an elaborate story, with an agenda, for them to believe an event.
Do the mods a favor: Please don't turn this into a 9/11 conspiracy debate thread. I want other people's input on how conspiracy theories arise, and what makes some theories more believable or unlikely than others.
Discuss.
EDIT: Added second video as it is more "Conspiracy theory"-ish.
the idea that you cannot present evidence to disprove the existence of something is a logical fallacy often used as a scape goat for Atheist's
I can easily put together evidence to prove the tooth fairy is not real, or Santa Claus, or even a flying spaghetti monster
does it not concern anyone else that the Apostasy prophesied in the New Testament is taking place right now?
2 Timothy 4:
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
1 Timothy 4:
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,
3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
5for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
2 Thessalonians 2:
1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
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I also find this quote in your sig to be incredibly ironic considering:
"I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" - Thomas Jefferson
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