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Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction?
    #10930378 - 08/25/09 12:23 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Is it possible to extract Psilocybin with vodka(40% alc/vol)

I put some dried mushrooms in some vodka, if its possible I'd like to some how get Psilocybin crystals out of it?


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: wre]
    #10930381 - 08/25/09 12:24 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Well I hope you can, why would you put your shroomies in it before you knew if it would work or not?

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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: HopanDubMan]
    #10930422 - 08/25/09 12:29 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Cause i could drink it if i don't find out how


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: wre]
    #10930486 - 08/25/09 12:39 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah that works too.
lol :/
sorry I have no advice to give :frown:


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: HopanDubMan]
    #10930497 - 08/25/09 12:41 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Find the Shulgin article, 70% or so, works much better than anything above or below that percentage, for some reason.

Makes nice crystals, but there is a good amount of waste, I'm sure.

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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: fireshaman]
    #10931857 - 08/25/09 03:56 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

just soak the mushrooms and evaporate? no way. seriously?


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #10931880 - 08/25/09 04:01 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

So if it's supposedly wasteful, could you soak an ounce of so, get most of the psilocybin out in crystal form, then just eat the mushroom remains?

Most of the psilocybin would be gone from the ounce, but surely still enough to trip on, and then you could take the crystals later.

Would this still be wasteful?


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: MacGruber]
    #10931885 - 08/25/09 04:02 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

i think it gets wasteful when it evaporates


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #10932202 - 08/25/09 05:16 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

im pretty sure its a lot harder than that to extract psilocin/psilocybin crystals from mushrooms.


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: Lucas89]
    #10933061 - 08/25/09 11:23 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i thought so too. can someone clarify this?


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #10933131 - 08/25/09 11:40 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

You all have got to do the research.

It is indeed very straight forward.

Find the techs online, that show photos...

I don't have the expertise on this topic that those authors do!

I trust Shulgin and the photographic techs have the proof right there..

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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: fireshaman]
    #10933209 - 08/25/09 11:59 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

i tired to look it up. Can someone answer if it is as simple as soak and evap?


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #10933229 - 08/25/09 12:05 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

In the time it takes to post those 3 posts above you can have an answer :wink:

Fuck, I just saw, on the suggested similar posts thing, after posting, that there's techs here.  If you're so lazy how are you going go source the everclear at 70% ethanol and find a coffee filter?  I would use a brown one that does not have chemical bleach, for health and for degradation of active reasons....

Stirring the mixture and drying and grinding the mushrooms might take a lot of exertion too :wink:


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: fireshaman]
    #10933242 - 08/25/09 12:10 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for the help fuckhead


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #10933245 - 08/25/09 12:10 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Anytime brotha :wink:

I thought you wrote 'tired to look it up'

but maybe you meant 'tried to look it up'

either way, PM me if you still can't find it, I just don't want the youth to get to complacent....  Research my child!


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: fireshaman]
    #10933295 - 08/25/09 12:22 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

lol i meant tried


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: fireshaman]
    #10933344 - 08/25/09 12:33 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

March 5, 2003

Psilocybe Mushroom Extractions

Dear Dr. Shulgin:

A friend of mine performed a Soxhlet extraction of 12 grams of powdered Psilocybe cubensis, using 95% ethanol. When the 60 mL of extract cooled to room temperature, many small transparent, colorless crystals had formed on the bottom of the container and did not redissolve on agitation. Do you know what these crystals are? -- Journeyman

Dear Journeyman:

There is a fascinating report in the literature that gives a quantitative measurement of the efficiency of extraction of both psilocybin and psilocin from the mushroom Psilocybe bohemica. The citation to the article is Kysilka, R. and Wurst, M., Planta Med. Vol. 56 pp. 327-328 (1990). These Czechoslovakian scientists studied the efficiency of both methanol and ethanol as solvents, each containing varying amounts of water. The results were, to me, both unexpected and most provocative.

The isolation of psilocybin seemed to be quite reasonable. This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol, and almost insoluble in boiling ethanol. And the extraction efficiency is optimum with methanol and almost as good with ethanol. With both, the less water present, the better. The compound is, after all, a perfect example of a zwitterion, the internal salt of a phosphoric acid and an amine base.

But the numbers with psilocin are strange. With aqueous ethanol, the optimum extraction was with a 70% ethanol concentration, and the extraction efficiency dropped almost to zero when there was no water present. But methanol was extremely inefficient regardless of the amount of water present in it. These researchers were apparently surprised by these findings, as they explored further and uncovered other clues. Time is a factor. Psilocin is extracted at a much slower rate than is psilocybin because it is contained intracellularly in the plant, and thus slower to be gotten out. They conclude that many of the low psilocin assays of mushrooms are due to this difficulty of getting the alkaloid out of the plant and into the extracting solvent. Using this information they determined that the levels of psilocybin and psilocin are substantially the same in Psilocybe bohemica, in conflict with the published literature values where very small amounts of psilocin were observed.

Efficient extraction apparently requires patience.

As to the identity of the crystals that were drifting around in the cooled Soxhlet receiver, from their being insoluble in ethanol, and white, and transparent, I would guess that you are seeing pure psilocybin.

-- Dr. Shulgin


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: fireshaman]
    #10933415 - 08/25/09 12:52 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Another advantage, is preservation of actives.


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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: fireshaman]
    #10935406 - 08/25/09 05:56 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

151 proof vodka soak, in a sealed & warmed mason jar, 3 rinses, ought to get out most of the alkaloids...
chill the aq/EtOH soln, decant/filter/dry solids...

boil down solvent a bit & chill for a second crop of crystals (or more likely, "goo")

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Re: Psilocybin crystal vodka extraction? [Re: gnrm23]
    #10935430 - 08/25/09 06:00 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I would guess that letting slowly dry, w/o even a fan, would allow the crystals to more properly form, but then again I have not personally done this TEK =)


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