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Softteddybear
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You should all develop your psychic ability.
#10883841 - 08/18/09 03:15 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I started to develop my psychic ability and I now dont know how I ever lived without it.

It is so natural and beautifull.
I just set my intent and now I can feel my energy body/see others energy body as well as see telepathic connections.
I used to be able to see auras also.

Being psychic I beleive is pinnacle in human development.
In a way I actually feel more comfortable and safe than without it.

Think about it it is like having another sense. Actually it opens up a barrage of multisensory stuff which in turn helps you other senses and stuff as well.

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Mushouse
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10883913 - 08/18/09 03:24 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

How can I get started with this?

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Softteddybear
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Mushouse]
#10884090 - 08/18/09 03:53 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

You basically just set your intent, maybe write it down. Possibly do some meditation. Even just some relaxation should be fine. Then you will just start seeing stuff out of the blue that you didnt recognize before, or sensing, feeling, hearing, knowing, etc.

Keep a journal of the stuff that happens. Just keep your mind focused on the task and your unconcious should start the process for you.

Maybe read a book on it. This will help your mind become more comfortable with the idea.

It is absolutely wonderfull and very natural feeling. When it starts happening you feel more comfortable with it than without it.
With me there is a soft feeling accompanied by it which is so amazing.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10884366 - 08/18/09 04:31 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

so meditate, read a book and set my intent? how do you meditate?

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TheWolf
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10884397 - 08/18/09 04:36 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Though not directly related to training or tuning the psychic abilities, meditation and chakra exercises are an easy way to begin to raise one's awareness of auras, energy, and many other things. There are multiple ways as well to develop psychic awareness and abilities, an in depth search from google should turn up more than enough sources.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10884873 - 08/18/09 05:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Why can't you see auras anymore?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10884931 - 08/18/09 05:41 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

What can one do with psychic powers that one can't do without them?

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EternalCowabunga
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10885489 - 08/18/09 07:06 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

What is the state of being psychic? You can hear people's thoughts?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#10885581 - 08/18/09 07:19 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

this is a joke right?

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Softteddybear
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#10885599 - 08/18/09 07:21 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I havent been seeing auras because I stopped practicing it. If you practice it you see them all the time. I didnt want to at the time so I ignored them untill they went away.

You can do lots of stuff with psychic power.
I particularly like the peace of mind I get from being in my energy/emotional body as well as seeing psy stuff which is basically metaphysical stuff going on all around ie. telepathic bubbles that connect people if they have that connection as well as auric connections. For instance you could tell if they were in a relationship or not by looking at it.

I also have more sense of telekenetic ability.
Being in the emotional body you get a sense of your spirit which is a source of love and compassion as well. It is like drinking sweet emotion into your heart. It is very therapudic.

I beleive psychic development is the best metaphysical technique I have found.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#10886018 - 08/18/09 08:32 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
What is the state of being psychic? You can hear people's thoughts?

You have to understand the nature of thoughts, and the nature of human feeling beyond LANGUAGE. Language was a CREATION an invention by human society, we have other ways of COMMUNICATION, of transference than Symbols or words. Do you think we were created without the ability to communicate?

I can feel and insert feeling into other people, as well as read and insert thoughts(which are really images) from and into peoples consciousness.

It really is natural, its all collective.

Edited by TeamAmerica (08/18/09 08:42 PM)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10886051 - 08/18/09 08:36 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I've been meditating for about a year now on and off and I've managed to stimulate my third eye enough that I can feel pressure in that area almost 50% of the time. I started to open that chakra first because it seemed like an important one to open.

But now I'm hearing that I should start from the base up. I'm having trouble stimulating my other chakras. Every time I try and concentrate on a certain chakra my third eye starts acting up and it steals all my attention.

I'm also don't know how to close it. Any time I try and close it I only open it more because I am giving it attention.

But I am starting to see and understand things that most people don't. Meditation is wonderful.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10886177 - 08/18/09 08:54 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

The odd time I hear peoples thoughts and I see things in dreams before they happen. Never had to develop anything just comes naturally to me. I dunno how much of it I can trust though because I do have regular dreams and I hear voices which are a construct of my imagination. So far I haven't been able to get any use out of this mild psychic ability I have. I've noticed that psychic stuff tends to come through as flashes just as your falling asleep. I'll get this emotion filled flash of someone telling me something then in the near future that same person tells me that exact same thing. I'm not very emotional but I get surges of emotion in these flashes I wonder if they're other peoples emotions I'm feeling. Unfortunately there are lots of drama queens in our midst so its probably rough being a psychic.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10886287 - 08/18/09 09:09 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

You can make anything
what you want, with your head.

but I am a bit skeptical about some psychics. You can change your perception, of course, and can then, consequentially, see the world differently, but I don't believe that people can literally control things just by thinking about them. Some psychics are legit, like the ones just aware of subtle energies and mysticism/tarot cards/astrology/stuff like that.

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TheWolf
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: stereolab]
#10886851 - 08/18/09 10:42 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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stereolab said:
You can make anything
with you want, in your head.

but I am a bit skeptical about some psychics. You can change your perception, of course, and can then, consequentially, see the world differently, but I don't believe that people can literally control things just by thinking about them. Some psychics are legit, like the ones just aware of subtle energies and mysticism/tarot cards/astrology/stuff like that.

That's exactly my view. I believe often people will make things sound extreme because either from a lack of knowledge of what they're really doing or other reasons. There is something legit about the human psychic ability, but it's not the ideas that people naturally inherit from the media they view. Comics, shows, etc. Simply raising your awareness of such things is even an "ability" in itself.

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thedudenj
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TheWolf]
#10888353 - 08/19/09 07:16 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

every one is ... its a matter of time before everyone is forced to acknowledge it

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10889406 - 08/19/09 11:35 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Softteddybear said:
I havent been seeing auras because I stopped practicing it. If you practice it you see them all the time. I didnt want to at the time so I ignored them untill they went away.

You can do lots of stuff with psychic power.
I particularly like the peace of mind I get from being in my energy/emotional body as well as seeing psy stuff which is basically metaphysical stuff going on all around ie. telepathic bubbles that connect people if they have that connection as well as auric connections. For instance you could tell if they were in a relationship or not by looking at it.

I also have more sense of telekenetic ability.
Being in the emotional body you get a sense of your spirit which is a source of love and compassion as well. It is like drinking sweet emotion into your heart. It is very therapudic.

I beleive psychic development is the best metaphysical technique I have found.

So if you stare at people long enough, you will see auras surrounding their bodies?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10889519 - 08/19/09 11:57 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

eh seeing auras isnt that important at all

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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: thedudenj]
#10889616 - 08/19/09 12:12 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I don't care about it's importance, I just care about whether or not it's even real... :glittershitz:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10895650 - 08/20/09 04:45 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Sigmund poid
hahahahaah

:rofl:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10898075 - 08/20/09 01:32 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Fisherman
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10913820 - 08/22/09 04:08 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I've noticed auras randomly at a meditation meeting and a workshop, I didn't really have any intent to see them.

One could say we live in a world which has constantly been evolving, twirling itself around if you will, by all which is and has been created.

One can decide to look at something in many angles.

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Edited by Fisherman (08/22/09 04:14 PM)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Fisherman]
#10916849 - 08/22/09 10:57 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

If I could find any scientific proof that supported Psychic ability/metaphysical abilities in general, at all, I'd probably be really interested in pursuing it. But honestly, not to offend, but a lot of people in the world have claimed to be psychic/other things but can never, ever prove any claims.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Yith]
#10917889 - 08/23/09 02:33 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

How about trying to pursue it and see what you find, instead of relying on the rest of the world to tell you if something exists or not?

You decide.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Fisherman]
#10919089 - 08/23/09 10:18 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I'm saying what is the first step one would take. The title of the thread is "You should all develop your psychic ability."

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Fisherman
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Yith]
#10920135 - 08/23/09 01:16 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Only you can decide what step to take.

The term "psychic ability" is just a term we associate certain things with, you can go any way you want!

Try to start meditating, or whatever you feel like trying, maybe contact with entities, maybe trying to see auras in any way you find suitable with a friend or just observing someone, maybe do it while high or whatever you feel like.

Anything, read up on some ideas maybe just to get a little into something, your choice.

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Poid
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Fisherman]
#10920608 - 08/23/09 02:18 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Fisherman said:
I've noticed auras randomly at a meditation meeting and a workshop, I didn't really have any intent to see them.

One could say we live in a world which has constantly been evolving, twirling itself around if you will, by all which is and has been created.

One can decide to look at something in many angles.

I've never seen auras around people, ever. What do they look like?

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Fisherman said:
Only you can decide what step to take.

The term "psychic ability" is just a term we associate certain things with, you can go any way you want!

Try to start meditating, or whatever you feel like trying, maybe contact with entities, maybe trying to see auras in any way you find suitable with a friend or just observing someone, maybe do it while high or whatever you feel like.

Anything, read up on some ideas maybe just to get a little into something, your choice.

, WTF? You associate "certain things" (other than psychic abilities) with the term 'psychic ability'? :what:

What is meditation? How do you contact entities? :whatever:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10920820 - 08/23/09 02:53 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Before the military I could see stuff around people.

Don't stare directly at people. Let your eyes go out of focus a bit. You can start to see some colors breathing around people. The colors look fluffy.

The harder you try to do it the more difficult it is. Try it when you are day-dreaming a bit and you might find it easy.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Mr.Al]
#10920835 - 08/23/09 02:55 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I bet these "auras" are just remnants of an LSD trip. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10920859 - 08/23/09 03:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Poid said:
I bet these "auras" are just remnants of an LSD trip.

Nope. Before I joined the military the only drug I consumed was some maryjane once every few months.

EDIT

Oh. I also drank a few times too.

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Edited by Mr.Al (08/23/09 03:01 PM)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Mr.Al]
#10922036 - 08/23/09 05:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I guess that the people around us hold back any kind of psychic activity. If you throw a person anywhere far removed from civilization, psychic events will happen almost certainly in a matter of hours. Astronauts, hermits, castaways and sheperds report this kind of stuff all the time.

It has something to do with pheromones and endogenous tryptamines. If they are "turned on" and there's nobody around to "tune in", then you just "drop out" and begin to see aliens, UFOs, Virgin Mary, Mother Goddess, you name it.

The only obvious way to bypass this "field" holding you back is to get stoned out of your gourd. But, if you live in a place like NEW YORK, then I guess you can't do it on the natch. I dunno for sure, but it's very unlikely.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: rootbark]
#10923342 - 08/23/09 09:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10923400 - 08/23/09 09:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
What is meditation? How do you contact entities?

Poid, there is no need to be rude.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10924432 - 08/24/09 12:45 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Poid said:
Quote:

Fisherman said:
I've noticed auras randomly at a meditation meeting and a workshop, I didn't really have any intent to see them.

One could say we live in a world which has constantly been evolving, twirling itself around if you will, by all which is and has been created.

One can decide to look at something in many angles.

I've never seen auras around people, ever. What do they look like?

Quote:

Fisherman said:
Only you can decide what step to take.

The term "psychic ability" is just a term we associate certain things with, you can go any way you want!

Try to start meditating, or whatever you feel like trying, maybe contact with entities, maybe trying to see auras in any way you find suitable with a friend or just observing someone, maybe do it while high or whatever you feel like.

Anything, read up on some ideas maybe just to get a little into something, your choice.

, WTF? You associate "certain things" (other than psychic abilities) with the term 'psychic ability'?

What is meditation? How do you contact entities?

I associate anything and nothing with the term psychic ability, thanks for the correction.

You figure out how you want to meditate, you figure out if you want to get closer towards contact with other entities - Your intention/mind can do a lot.

Much luck with whatever you endeavor on.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Fisherman]
#10926422 - 08/24/09 11:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Mr.Al said:
Quote:

Poid said:
I bet these "auras" are just remnants of an LSD trip.

Nope. Before I joined the military the only drug I consumed was some maryjane once every few months.

EDIT

Oh. I also drank a few times too.

Well, then what you're seeing is probably just tracers or some shit. When you sit and stare at one place, shit just starts to cloud your vision. It's not really there in the objective world, as evidenced by the fact that devices that can record the visible light spectrum have never captured any auras.

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DimensionX said:
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Poid said:
What is meditation? How do you contact entities?

Poid, there is no need to be rude.

I'm not trying to be rude, it's just frustrating receiving ambiguous answers to specific questions. :shrug:

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Fisherman said:
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Poid said:
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Fisherman said:
I've noticed auras randomly at a meditation meeting and a workshop, I didn't really have any intent to see them.

One could say we live in a world which has constantly been evolving, twirling itself around if you will, by all which is and has been created.

One can decide to look at something in many angles.

I've never seen auras around people, ever. What do they look like?

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Fisherman said:
I associate anything and nothing with the term psychic ability, thanks for the correction.

Oh, well I like to adkfsdfgjkhsfjk (I associate this term with the word 'eating) after a good kjfhgkealbv (I associate this term with the word 'nap'), it really hits the ppoosst (I associate this term with the word 'spot')

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Fisherman said:
You figure out how you want to meditate, you figure out if you want to get closer towards contact with other entities - Your intention/mind can do a lot.

I probably would, if I even had a clue what it means to meditate or contact entities. Right now, you basically gave me one ingredient to a recipe, and are expecting me to know the rest of it.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10926556 - 08/24/09 11:44 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
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Mr.Al said:
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Poid said:
I bet these "auras" are just remnants of an LSD trip.

Nope. Before I joined the military the only drug I consumed was some maryjane once every few months.

EDIT

Oh. I also drank a few times too.

Well, then what you're seeing is probably just tracers or some shit. When you sit and stare at one place, shit just starts to cloud your vision. It's not really there in the objective world, as evidenced by the fact that devices that can record the visible light spectrum have never captured any auras.

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DimensionX said:
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Poid said:
What is meditation? How do you contact entities?

Poid, there is no need to be rude.

I'm not trying to be rude, it's just frustrating receiving ambiguous answers to specific questions.

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Fisherman said:
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Poid said:
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Fisherman said:
I've noticed auras randomly at a meditation meeting and a workshop, I didn't really have any intent to see them.

One could say we live in a world which has constantly been evolving, twirling itself around if you will, by all which is and has been created.

One can decide to look at something in many angles.

I've never seen auras around people, ever. What do they look like?

Quote:

Fisherman said:
I associate anything and nothing with the term psychic ability, thanks for the correction.

Oh, well I like to adkfsdfgjkhsfjk (I associate this term with the word 'eating) after a good kjfhgkealbv (I associate this term with the word 'nap'), it really hits the ppoosst (I associate this term with the word 'spot')

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You figure out how you want to meditate, you figure out if you want to get closer towards contact with other entities - Your intention/mind can do a lot.

I probably would, if I even had a clue what it means to meditate or contact entities. Right now, you basically gave me one ingredient to a recipe, and are expecting me to know the rest of it.

The auric fields ive seen have been... static/colored light/energy surrounding people, popping out naturally - I've also seen it emenate from things like a radiator and trees.

And the recipes around here are like, whatevers :>

You asked me how to meditate and contact entities, I told you that it's your choice how to figure it out, as I do not believe there is any correct way to do anything, but seemingly, you were interested? Anyways I think were done here, whateverness.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10930623 - 08/24/09 09:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You can't expect people to just hand you all the answers. There are multiple ways to achieve a lot of things we've discussed here, many of which you can find on the internet. Sometimes you just have to search for yourself.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TheWolf]
#10933782 - 08/25/09 10:58 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

, nobody has discussed any sort of method in this thread!

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10933829 - 08/25/09 11:03 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

here's one :

eat a bunch of mushrooms with your best friend.
sit in the same room..and dont speak to each other.

see what happens..

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10934099 - 08/25/09 11:40 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The people I know would not be comfortable with doing that.

And even if I did that and saw auras, it's obvious that I was just hallucinsting. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10934284 - 08/25/09 12:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I believe that every one of us has a natural psychic ability that in most cases just goes unnoticed. As soon as we start to pay attention to what is already going on we can learn to use this ability. Many times throughout my life I have known what someone was thinking before they said anything. When this starts to happen all the time you get used to trusting yourself. As you might imagine this can be very difficult at times because there are a lot of very unhappy and mean people in the world with a lot of negative things to say. I don't think it is a good idea to block this ability because of something you don't want to hear but it is possible to not be affected by what you hear (or get used to it).

A skeptical mind will continue to ignore what is going on while they file any sign or synchronicity under meaningless coincidence. Even when the truth seems obvious to an open mind, skeptics will search for another explanation and when they don't find one they will suggest it was merely a coincidence.

I will post an example when I have more time.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10935129 - 08/25/09 02:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe that every one of us has a natural psychic ability that in most cases just goes unnoticed. As soon as we start to pay attention to what is already going on we can learn to use this ability. Many times throughout my life I have known what someone was thinking before they said anything. When this starts to happen all the time you get used to trusting yourself. As you might imagine this can be very difficult at times because there are a lot of very unhappy and mean people in the world with a lot of negative things to say. I don't think it is a good idea to block this ability because of something you don't want to hear but it is possible to not be affected by what you hear (or get used to it).

A skeptical mind will continue to ignore what is going on while they file any sign or synchronicity under meaningless coincidence. Even when the truth seems obvious to an open mind, skeptics will search for another explanation and when they don't find one they will suggest it was merely a coincidence.

I will post an example when I have more time.

Ya these kind of experiences have been happening to me as well. I've been meditating every day for the past couple months for about an hour a day and I'm starting to be more "in tune" with things. It only happens though when my mind is silent and I am present.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10935512 - 08/25/09 03:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

auras are irrelevant..

its the communication that goes into a higher level..

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10937177 - 08/25/09 07:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't call that a psychic experience. :shake:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10937527 - 08/25/09 07:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Disconnect your mind from language. Understand what language IS and understand what it does TO and THROUGH you.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10937577 - 08/25/09 08:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't call that a psychic experience.

How old are you ?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10940246 - 08/26/09 07:34 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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, nobody has discussed any sort of method in this thread!

I don't believe this thread was started to assist in people developing their own methods. I believe it was more a suggestion to get people to think about developing their own psychic abilities through their own methods.

Like I said, the internet is available to you so why don't you do a search and look for some methods you would find ring true for you.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TeamAmerica]
#10940922 - 08/26/09 10:32 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Disconnect your mind from language. Understand what language IS and understand what it does TO and THROUGH you.

my understand, you mean to imply that i don't understand what language is. and i'm assuming that most have the same perspective on language as i do. so what are we missing?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10940948 - 08/26/09 10:37 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Disconnect your mind from language. Understand what language IS and understand what it does TO and THROUGH you.

my understand, you mean to imply that i don't understand what language is. and i'm assuming that most have the same perspective on language as i do. so what are we missing?

what would the thoughts be like in your head if you never learned a language? This doesn't have to do with anything I'm just wondering.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10941036 - 08/26/09 10:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

instant. i find myself going over my pattern of logic in my head sometimes as if i'm talking to someone. when really it's unnecessary because i understand my thoughts instantly no matter how complex. dunno if thats what you were looking for i'll think about it some more. very interesting question.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10943460 - 08/26/09 04:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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instant. i find myself going over my pattern of logic in my head sometimes as if i'm talking to someone. when really it's unnecessary because i understand my thoughts instantly no matter how complex. dunno if thats what you were looking for i'll think about it some more. very interesting question.

I find myself doing the same thing.

The deeper I get in to meditation the more I notice how fucking repetative, pointless, judgemental and crazy my thoughts are.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TheWolf]
#10943590 - 08/26/09 05:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I wouldn't call that a psychic experience.

How old are you ?

20.

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, nobody has discussed any sort of method in this thread!

I don't believe this thread was started to assist in people developing their own methods. I believe it was more a suggestion to get people to think about developing their own psychic abilities through their own methods.

Like I said, the internet is available to you so why don't you do a search and look for some methods you would find ring true for you.

You don't see it as odd that there have been no suggested methods, or even any links that point to these methods?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10944343 - 08/26/09 07:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Disconnect your mind from language. Understand what language IS and understand what it does TO and THROUGH you.

my understand, you mean to imply that i don't understand what language is. and i'm assuming that most have the same perspective on language as i do. so what are we missing?

what would the thoughts be like in your head if you never learned a language? This doesn't have to do with anything I'm just wondering.

They would be images, they would be feeling... :psychsplit:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10944358 - 08/26/09 07:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Not really, people are capable looking for themselves.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10944422 - 08/26/09 07:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

There is no "Method" It simply happens to some people.

If I could describe a method it would be, understand language, understand your consciousness beyond language, and practice placing thoughts or images directed at someone. It works easier if the person is in a "receiving" state, put forth the thought (sometimes it requires to be mentally "connected" to them, which isn't that hard, its more of a personal thing) and they might receive it, and if they are answering a question,or looking for an answer, they might say exactly what you were thinking. Ive had my friends, and family do this, and speak some of my thoughts that I know aren't made of their own consciousness. Aside from that, I experience speaking words the same time as other people VERY often, or I will say something, and the other person, will say "I was just thinking that" Ive had multiple people ask me if I was "Psychic," I just laugh and shrug, and say it happens a lot.

People receive telepathic images really well. One time, I was thinking of a ball of lightning in a waiting room. I was imagining it, and forming it in my mind, when I look around me, two men sitting across from each other are drawing the exact image.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TeamAmerica]
#10944519 - 08/26/09 07:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

This topic is fun stuff. At true peace letting go of all tethers and negative emotions, seems to work for me. silence , no drugs and plenty of time seems to make it happen for me. Peace, hepacat

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10947264 - 08/27/09 08:46 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe that every one of us has a natural psychic ability that in most cases just goes unnoticed. As soon as we start to pay attention to what is already going on we can learn to use this ability. Many times throughout my life I have known what someone was thinking before they said anything. When this starts to happen all the time you get used to trusting yourself. As you might imagine this can be very difficult at times because there are a lot of very unhappy and mean people in the world with a lot of negative things to say. I don't think it is a good idea to block this ability because of something you don't want to hear but it is possible to not be affected by what you hear (or get used to it).

A skeptical mind will continue to ignore what is going on while they file any sign or synchronicity under meaningless coincidence. Even when the truth seems obvious to an open mind, skeptics will search for another explanation and when they don't find one they will suggest it was merely a coincidence.

I will post an example when I have more time.

A few years ago when I lived on the West Coast, a girl friend I was with had organized a surprise visit with my parents from out East (not a holiday or special occasion). She managed to set this all up without me noticing. My parents are never ones for surprise visits and they haven't flown out West in several years.

A few hours before their arrival I heard my father inside my head telling me that he and my mother are on a plane flying out to visit. So I said to my girlfriend "my parents are coming to visit today". She asked me what would make me think such a thing, so I told her that I was talking to my father inside my head. Around this time in our relationship she was starting to think I was a little crazy and although there was no other rational explanation for how I could know about my parents visit, she still insisted that I was either delusional or making things up to mess with her head.

With situations like this there are normally always more than one obvious sign but even with my ability to foresee several different events, this woman was able to convince herself that not only is telepathy impossible but her boyfriend is crazy. Fear can do some crazy shit inside people's heads, with denial so strong that even when the truth is right in front of their eyes, they won't see it. I think most people are more comfortable when life is simple, normal or boring. I guess it is also a scary thought for some to imagine that other people are more sensitive or have stronger psychic abilities than they do.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10948768 - 08/27/09 01:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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TheWolf said:
Not really, people are capable looking for themselves.

...but are not capable of finding anything using a blank map. :shrug:

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There is no "Method" It simply happens to some people.

If I could describe a method it would be, understand language, understand your consciousness beyond language, and practice placing thoughts or images directed at someone. It works easier if the person is in a "receiving" state, put forth the thought (sometimes it requires to be mentally "connected" to them, which isn't that hard, its more of a personal thing) and they might receive it, and if they are answering a question,or looking for an answer, they might say exactly what you were thinking. Ive had my friends, and family do this, and speak some of my thoughts that I know aren't made of their own consciousness. Aside from that, I experience speaking words the same time as other people VERY often, or I will say something, and the other person, will say "I was just thinking that" Ive had multiple people ask me if I was "Psychic," I just laugh and shrug, and say it happens a lot.

People receive telepathic images really well. One time, I was thinking of a ball of lightning in a waiting room. I was imagining it, and forming it in my mind, when I look around me, two men sitting across from each other are drawing the exact image.

This is all a product of your imagination. I dare you to argue with me on this one. :satansmoking:

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This topic is fun stuff. At true peace letting go of all tethers and negative emotions, seems to work for me.

How does "true peace letting go of all tethers and negative emotions" = psychic powers? :confused:

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I didn't even read your post, for many reasons.

First thing I'd like to say to all of you is that it's hard even having a discussion when terms haven't been defined, so I am taking for granted that by "psychic powers", we mean telepathy. Telepathy is a hypothetical psychological process in which an individual can literally perceive the perception of another individual in exactly the same way that individual is perceiving things. Obviously, since perception is quite literally a physical mechanism, it is impossible for one to do this; even if your brain perfectly mimicked the processes of another person's brain, it wouldn't be you perceiving the other person's perceptions, but rather, it would be a manifestation of your imagination, just like everything else.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10949424 - 08/27/09 03:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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First thing I'd like to say to all of you is that it's hard even having a discussion when terms haven't been defined, so I am taking for granted that by "psychic powers", we mean telepathy. Telepathy is a hypothetical psychological process in which an individual can literally perceive the perception of another individual in exactly the same way that individual is perceiving things. Obviously, since perception is quite literally a physical mechanism, it is impossible for one to do this; even if your brain perfectly mimicked the processes of another person's brain, it wouldn't be you perceiving the other person's perceptions, but rather, it would be a manifestation of your imagination, just like everything else.

Yes, in the intersubjective terms of language, can we really KNOW anything? :smile:

Telepathy is a form of pychic ability, but not exclusive. We differ in our opinions because you claim the process of thought is solely a product of the physical brain?

I believe we have a certain intuition, in which pychic abilities come more natural then spoken language. It is just another avenue of communication, in this case through the "underlying ether" of existence which connects all things, as opposed to external sound vibrations of spoken language.

I think us humans are a lot more psychic then we give our selves credit for. Ever sense someone is in a bad mood? Ever walk into a room and immediately you get a vibe?

My cousin and I, who are the offspring of identical twins (our moms) have this thing, which our moms have as well, which we call twin thing. Over AOL instant messenger or playing a video game, we will message each other the exact same thing at the exact same time. It's like a form of intuition, and I don't think you could correlate it to the physical processes of the brain. I've also had an experience when I was at a crowded party with my cousin, and I wanted to get his attention. I intently sent him a message to look at me from across the room, and he turned around and looked right at me and smiled, after receiving the message.

Coincidence? Perhaps. But the fact this has been a reoccurring experience makes me think otherwise.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10949900 - 08/27/09 04:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well Poid, I can see you certainly won't be developing any psychic powers :noway:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10949933 - 08/27/09 04:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said: It's like a form of intuition, and I don't think you could correlate it to the physical processes of the brain.

I've had a few telepathic experiences and I don't doubt its existence, but it's highly likely that the physical processes of the brain are necessarily correlated to any mental experience we have. Perhaps the quantum entanglement of the particles comprising our neurons with the particles comprising the neurons of another human make it possible, but ultimately scientific findings must agree with mysticism for a complete understanding of the Universe.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10950147 - 08/27/09 05:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think the problem of adapting a chiefly physical perspective of life to a chiefly non physical perspective will make this very difficult.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DimensionX]
#10950160 - 08/27/09 05:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I would venture that physical and mental are just different perspectives of the same fundamental substance.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10950198 - 08/27/09 05:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think that could be true, but i think by viewing things through a physical lense we see different things than if we see it through a mental lense. I think music is a good example of this. You can write music down, you can even describe how it effects the brain. This would be a physical description of music. But none of this actually captures the subjective experience of listening to it. I think this subjective or conscious level of experience is where we find the mystical.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10950242 - 08/27/09 05:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said: It's like a form of intuition, and I don't think you could correlate it to the physical processes of the brain.

I've had a few telepathic experiences and I don't doubt its existence, but it's highly likely that the physical processes of the brain are necessarily correlated to any mental experience we have. Perhaps the quantum entanglement of the particles comprising our neurons with the particles comprising the neurons of another human make it possible, but ultimately scientific findings must agree with mysticism for a complete understanding of the Universe.

I would speculate based on our rudimentary understanding of the brain and its relation to mental processes, that the physical correlation to this "intuition" could be DNA itself, the basis of what we are. I don't think psychic abilities need correlate to the physical brain. Did you know that DNA emits light? :smile:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10950268 - 08/27/09 05:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I think that could be true, but i think by viewing things through a physical lense we see different things than if we see it through a mental lense. I think music is a good example of this. You can write music down, you can even describe how it effects the brain. This would be a physical description of music. But none of this actually captures the subjective experience of listening to it. I think this subjective or conscious level of experience is where we find the mystical.

See, if we truly understood how music affects the brain then I believe we'd also necessarily understand the subjective experience caused by listening to it: I'm talking a full mapping of the auditory cortex and a cognitive schematic of each individual neuron. Needless to say neuroscience is not up to this level yet but eventually I think we'll see the world of the physical and the world of the mental start to converge.

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I would speculate based on our rudimentary understanding of the brain and its relation to mental processes, that the physical correlation to this "intuition" could be DNA itself, the basis of what we are. I don't think psychic abilities need correlate to the physical brain. Did you know that DNA emits light?

DNA spontaneously emits light? I hadn't heard that. But regardless of where the telepathic information is coming from, it eventually has to be filtered into a specific pattern of neural firings for you to even experience it.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10950405 - 08/27/09 06:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think this will happen to some extent but i think there could be a fundamental limit as to how far these two things can converge. For example, hypothetically, science gains a complete understanding how music effects the brain. A person studys this and learns the whole thing, but this person has never heard music before in their life. Although he has a complete scientific understanding of the process of music, the experience of listening to it would still be foreign.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10950948 - 08/27/09 07:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Do you think you're the only one who had a blank map?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DimensionX]
#10950972 - 08/27/09 07:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that a complete scientific understanding of the process of how music affects the brain would automatically include the experience of listening to it. If we know that stimulating a specific neuron in your auditory cortex produces a certain subjective pitch, then we can deduce from a given sound sample what the corresponding brain state will be, and from that what the corresponding mental state will be.

Unfortunately this probably would only apply to your own brain/mind, because we can never truly know what another individual's conscious experience is like (different synaptic configurations and neural wiring). I see nothing impossible with applying the scientific method to understand your own mind though.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10951025 - 08/27/09 07:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Perhaps the quantum entanglement of the particles comprising our neurons with the particles comprising the neurons of another human make it possible, but ultimately scientific findings must agree with mysticism for a complete understanding of the Universe.

Aww dude... dont just pick trippy sounding words from physics to substantiate your claim. Neurons dont entangle with each other and they dont entangle with other people. Entanglement has a specific meaning and it cannot be used to describe purported psychic or telepathic behavior. Make up your own terms. :razz:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10951033 - 08/27/09 07:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't say neurons entangle with each other, I said particles comprising our neurons could be entangled with other particles comprising other neurons. This is certainly possible, no?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10951055 - 08/27/09 07:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Nope. Particles dont just entangle, it requires very specific conditions for particles to entangle. And even if you could entangle the particles in two peoples brain (which you cannot), you still cant communicate via entanglement (lest you violate relativity). This is where the famous EPR 'paradox' comes from.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10951078 - 08/27/09 07:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

What conditions are necessary for two particles to become entangled?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10951146 - 08/27/09 07:55 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

No, its not possible. Entangling particles is difficult and there is copious decoherence in a brain (or any macroscopic system) which would make it impossible.

Yes what you say about spins is true, but you still cannot communicate using this method. Again, this would violate relativity or necessitate hidden variables which have been conclusively shown not to exist. (This is the famous EPR paradox, Bell's inequality and Aspect experiment. Complicated stuff to say the least) This 30-80 year old misunderstanding often shows up in crack pottery since its hard to understand and thus easy to fool people with.

edit - well your edit rendered my answer moot. :tongue:

For particles to become entangled they must interact (in a specific way) and remain in a superposition. This cant happen on a macroscopic system (like a brain) because of decoherence. I dont know if any of this is making sense... bottom line - there is no way entanglement can explain telepathy.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10951211 - 08/27/09 08:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I've been brushing up on my physics lately as I want to learn the theory behind quantum mechanics. I've started with classical mechanics but I fear it'll be a long trek till I get to the good stuff.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10951277 - 08/27/09 08:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Hey De, did you ever check out Ervin László? I feel like he would be right up your ally.

"His 2004 book, Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything posits a field of information as the substance of the cosmos. Using the Sanskrit and Vedic term for "space", Akasha, he calls this information field the "Akashic field" or "A-field". He posits that the "quantum vacuum" (see Vacuum state) is the fundamental energy and information-carrying field that informs not just the current universe, but all universes past and present (collectively, the "Metaverse").

László describes how such an informational field can explain why our universe appears to be fine-tuned as to form galaxies and conscious lifeforms; and why evolution is an informed, not random, process. He believes that the hypothesis solves several problems that emerge from quantum physics, especially nonlocality and quantum entanglement.

"There is a form and level of coherence in the various domains of observation and experience that involves a quasi-instant transmission of information across space and time...I present evidence that "nonlocal coherence" is widespread in nature, occurring in the macrodomain of the universe, in the microdomain of the quantum, as well as in the mesodomain of life... I show that (i) phenomena of nonlocal coherence are logically interpreted as the transmission of a non-conventional yet physically effective form of information termed “in-formation”; (ii) this transmission is the effect of a universal field in nature; and (iii) the universal in-formation field is the scientifically identifiable functional equivalent of the fundamental metaphysical element known in Sanskrit and Hindu metaphysics as Akasha."

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10951497 - 08/27/09 08:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You shouldnt really need classical as a prereq to quantum (but its interesting in its own right). The biggest prereq would be linear algebra and some PDEs.

I dont want to derail the thread further, but I want to explain why you cannot communicate using entanglement. Say I want to tell you if the British are coming by land or by sea, and we each have an entangled photon. If I observe mine to be spin up you will then observe yours to be spin down (and visa versa). Remember that what I observe my photon's spin to be is completely random. So say I see the British coming by land, and then I observe my photon to be 'up'. Thus you observe your photon to be 'down'. But you dont know if this means land or sea! Because there was an equally likely probability that if they come by land I would observe 'down' and you would observe 'up'. What this means is that the message is encrypted and for you to interpret what your photon's spin state means you need a key. But because it is random for me I cannot give you a key until after I observe my photon. The key must be sent by classical channels and it cannot be sent until after I observe the photon! So the key is really the communication and no communication can be had by entanglement.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10953584 - 08/28/09 05:05 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I personally believe that there will always be a gap between objective knowledge and subjective experience. I almost see them as separate realities where communication between the two can never be perfect. Just like communication between two people is never perfect. But if that perfect communication did occur i think it would certainly be amazing.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DimensionX]
#10956034 - 08/28/09 02:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey De, did you ever check out Ervin L�szl�? I feel like he would be right up your ally.

Hadn't heard of him but I'll check him out, thanks for the recommendation! I don't agree with him that evolution is an informed process but it'd be interesting if he has some persuasive evidence to back his claim up.

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DimensionX said: But if that perfect communication did occur i think it would certainly be amazing.

Perhaps perfect communication between two individuals is impossible without actually becoming the other individual? You might enjoy Thomas Nagel's paper What Is It Like to be a Bat?.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10963685 - 08/29/09 08:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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"This is all a product of your imagination. I dare you to argue with me on this one. "

Actually yes, my psychic abilities would be a product of my imagination. Seeing that Imagination is the source of all mental activity.

And what a great thing imagination is.

Be careful what you think of... ill tell you that even a fool could influence your thoughts without your knowledge.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TeamAmerica]
#10965458 - 08/30/09 09:42 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Here's my step by step guide to ESP, aka the way I do it.

First of all: there's nothing improbable or impossible about it. Like any art, it seems like magic to anyone outside it; but once you get into it, it starts revealing its secrets to you.

There are four psychic abilities: precognition, retrocognition, telepathy and psychokinesis.

In the past people had to use clumsy things like sticks, stones and dices if they wished to know things before everyone else. But nowadays precognition and retrocognition is one click away: all you have to do is to run the Timewave Zero software, examine the resonances and guess what will happen. It improves with pratice, so don't stop researching until you forecast whatever you want. You can also use the more archaic system developed by Crowley and other cabalists; in fact, most of the Golden Dawn material can be recycled by modern psychics in some way. It's damn easy to predict events that'll have a huge impact on the collective unconscious: For instance, I myself have predicted MJ's death, as you can see in my blog. However, smaller events and day-to-day things are harder but not impossible if you work your ass off.

Techlepathy is not too far away, but if you just can't wait a few more years you'll have to use dreams and entheogens and stuff. But telepathy exists: it's going on right now, and it's improving every day. Telepathy can happen easily between lovers; in fact, I guess that's what love is all about. Get stoned with your girlfriend or whatever, and see what happens.

Psychokinesis is the study of synchronicity: You look for meaningful connections, and then you change them. Let's say you find out that whenever you break a glass, you lose a friend. So, you begin to buy beer instead of wine, and to use plastic cups and plates. However, you may discover that when you buy plastic at Walmart your dealer begins to sell a new drug; then you go there only when you're tired of that guy trying to give you meth and DXM. Again, you may find some use for Cabala on this: psychokinesis is its raison d'être.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TeamAmerica]
#10965892 - 08/30/09 11:23 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I-MAGI-NATION, We are a nation of magicians.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10971752 - 08/31/09 09:00 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I-MAGI-NATION, We are a nation of magicians.

indeed

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10972521 - 08/31/09 12:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:I believe we have a certain intuition, in which pychic abilities come more natural then spoken language. It is just another avenue of communication, in this case through the "underlying ether" of existence which connects all things, as opposed to external sound vibrations of spoken language.

Intuition is not telepathy, it is a creation of your imagination. There is absolutely no way you can perceive the perception of others.

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My cousin and I, who are the offspring of identical twins (our moms) have this thing, which our moms have as well, which we call twin thing. Over AOL instant messenger or playing a video game, we will message each other the exact same thing at the exact same time. It's like a form of intuition, and I don't think you could correlate it to the physical processes of the brain. I've also had an experience when I was at a crowded party with my cousin, and I wanted to get his attention. I intently sent him a message to look at me from across the room, and he turned around and looked right at me and smiled, after receiving the message.

Coincidence? Perhaps. But the fact this has been a reoccurring experience makes me think otherwise.

This makes sense because you and your cousin are genetic relatives, so you have a similar genetic programming. Also, I assume you two belonged to a somewhat closely-knit family, so your cultural programming must be similar as well.

On top of this, you two have a close relationship with each other; it's absolutely not puzzling that your imaginations often synchronize.

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Well Poid, I can see you certainly won't be developing any psychic powers

Nor will I ever develop shape-shifting abilities! :nono:

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I've had a few telepathic experiences and I don't doubt its existence, but it's highly likely that the physical processes of the brain are necessarily correlated to any mental experience we have. Perhaps the quantum entanglement of the particles comprising our neurons with the particles comprising the neurons of another human make it possible, but ultimately scientific findings must agree with mysticism for a complete understanding of the Universe.

I don't doubt that you were able to communicate via methods other than spoken language, but I do doubt that you literally perceived another person's perceptions (thoughts, emotions, physical sensations, etc.).

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"This is all a product of your imagination. I dare you to argue with me on this one. "

Actually yes, my psychic abilities would be a product of my imagination. Seeing that Imagination is the source of all mental activity.

And what a great thing imagination is.

Be careful what you think of... ill tell you that even a fool could influence your thoughts without your knowledge.

You admit that your experiential telepathy is just your imagination (i.e.- a mechanism of an individual's perception); how on Earth can you simultaneously sustain this position while believing that you can literally read others' thoughts (i.e.- perceive their perceptions)

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#10972544 - 08/31/09 12:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Intuition is not telepathy, it is a creation of your imagination. There is absolutely no way you can perceive the perception of others.

Everything is a product of somebodies imagination.
Wrap your imagination around this.. and you will realize that nothing is really impossible.

till then... you're in the wrong forum boy :wink:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972570 - 08/31/09 12:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Everything is a product of somebodies imagination.
Wrap your imagination around this.. and you will realize that nothing is really impossible.

I wrapped my head around this, and realized that most people would rather indulge in their imagination then to betray it and consider that what objectively exists outside of their reality is what really is.

I indulge in vain imaginings as much as the next guy, though I know what is real and what is not. To a certain extent.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Softteddybear]
#10972598 - 08/31/09 12:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I started to develop my psychic ability and I now dont know how I ever lived without it.

It is so natural and beautifull.
I just set my intent and now I can feel my energy body/see others energy body as well as see telepathic connections.
I used to be able to see auras also.

Being psychic I beleive is pinnacle in human development.
In a way I actually feel more comfortable and safe than without it.

Think about it it is like having another sense. Actually it opens up a barrage of multisensory stuff which in turn helps you other senses and stuff as well.

damn, i wanted to make a thread of this but i thought you guys wouldnt enjoy it! one thing though i wanted to include is.. anixety and panic attacks. i think theres definately a reason behind them. i thought i had anixety until i started to catch on. every (usually) night, the day before something bad would happen in my life, id get a wave of anixety and pretty much a panic attack. i began to catch on while i had these said attacks. i began to ask questions to myself of who it dealt with and how bad it was gonna be. ive predicted alot of things already ever since i first caught on to this power. i still need practice but with practice makes perfect. im going to try and meditate soon and possibly try and "read" a few people to see where it takes me. i am in general, an extremely spiritual person so that probably helps with this as well. but to be honest, i dont believe in panic attacks and anixety just come out of nowhere like that, theres definately a reason behind it. lately, ive been nailing these predictions on the head. i can never ever predict whats gonna happen though, if i did, i would be able to change or prevent of whats going to happen and its impossible to change the future because its fate. everything is just meant to happen, its so weird how it works.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10972611 - 08/31/09 12:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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consider that what objectively exists outside of their reality is what really is.

no such thing :smile:

i think it doesn't exist.

the only thing that could be objective (and the word 'thing' does not do it justice ) is infinity.

and in infinity... everything is not only possible.. but already happening.
and its all going on at the same time.
right now.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972656 - 08/31/09 12:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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consider that what objectively exists outside of their reality is what really is.

no such thing

i think it doesn't exist.

the only thing that could be objective (and the word 'thing' does not do it justice ) is infinity.

and in infinity... everything is not only possible.. but already happening.
and its all going on at the same time.
right now.

... keep wrapping..

I think there is a such thing as objectivity; we can tell if someone is having an auditory/visual hallucination by recording sound/video and comparing it to what an individual is subjectively experiencing.

I think that, by definition, the universe is infinite. But this doesn't necessarily mean that its individual constituents (e.g.- matter) are infinite.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10972690 - 08/31/09 12:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I think there is a such thing as objectivity; we can tell if someone is having an auditory/visual hallucination by recording sound/video and comparing it to what an individual is subjectively experiencing.

This is only if we naively presume that our physical senses are the only way of perceiving reality.

Look at it this way.
I say triangle
You have an image of it in your mind.
it is a certain size..
certain color
certain type of triangle

i have an image as well... that may differ a lot from yours.

actually.. we might even perceive the color green in different way if it happens that we both pictured a green triangle.

yet... we clearly all know what a triangle is.
we use it to communicate
we think it is objective and outside of our own projection of it..
but its really .. nothing more than a concept.

ever had a dream.. that you couldnt differentiate from waking reality ?
who is to tell you which one is the actual one ?
who is to tell you that they are separate in the first place ?

it cannot be established..
cant be proven..

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972699 - 08/31/09 12:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Understanding that you can never know reality in its entirety does not imply its non-existent.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972794 - 08/31/09 01:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Look at it this way.
I say triangle
You have an image of it in your mind.
it is a certain size..
certain color
certain type of triangle

i have an image as well... that may differ a lot from yours.

actually.. we might even perceive the color green in different way if it happens that we both pictured a green triangle.

This is exactly my point, and exactly why "psychic" experiences are pure imagination.

There is what is, then there is our imaginative understanding of what is. What is is, and exists as it is without yielding to anything's imagination.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10972802 - 08/31/09 01:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Understanding that you can never know reality in its entirety does not imply its non-existent.

sure..

i just think that ultimately.. the realization occurs that you are the entirety of reality.
you are everything

from that standpoint.. i am reluctant to acknowledge the existence of an objective reality

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972823 - 08/31/09 01:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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i am reluctant to acknowledge the existence of an objective reality

Are you also too reluctant to accept that reality is composed of constituents?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10972843 - 08/31/09 01:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:

I indulge in vain imaginings as much as the next guy, though I know what is real and what is not. To a certain extent.

Everybody thinks they know what is real and what is not. Some people are more correct than others.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972846 - 08/31/09 01:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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i just think that ultimately.. the realization occurs that you are the entirety of reality.

Sounds like a euphemism for "The world revolves around me." I take it as wisdom to deny such a notion, the world (or reality) does not revolve around me (or us) - that is, I am not the entirety of reality. Letting go of such hubris is liberating.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10972852 - 08/31/09 01:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i believe that we have an infinite field of shit that would be nothing if we werent there to make something of it to perceive.

the constituents you speak of are merely illusions designed by no other than us , in order to experience the diversity of the impact we create by consciously affecting this infinite field.

exciting alienation

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10972867 - 08/31/09 01:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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"The world revolves around me."

by saying that.. you imply that there is a difference between the world and you

you might say.. that you are revolving around yourself..
but that too wouldnt be true..

instead.. you break off..
you experience yourself(infinity) through the eyes of the world..
and the eyes of a human entity that is part of a world.

only one of us here..

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10972869 - 08/31/09 01:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
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Poid said:

I indulge in vain imaginings as much as the next guy, though I know what is real and what is not. To a certain extent.

Everybody thinks they know what is real and what is not. Some people are more correct than others.

Technically, there is no such thing as "more correct".

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i just think that ultimately.. the realization occurs that you are the entirety of reality.

Sounds like a euphemism for "The world revolves around me." I take it as wisdom to deny such a notion, the world (or reality) does not revolve around me (or us) - that is, I am not the entirety of reality. Letting go of such hubris is liberating.

Human narcissism, when unchecked, can develop into really bizarre and extreme neuroses...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972883 - 08/31/09 01:23 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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jivJaN said:
i believe that we have an infinite field of shit that would be nothing if we werent there to make something of it to perceive.

the constituents you speak of are merely illusions designed by no other than us , in order to experience the diversity of the impact we create by consciously affecting this infinite field.

exciting alienation

People die all the time. What you're talking about here is solipsism! :lol:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10972910 - 08/31/09 01:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

get your shit strait ..

solipsism is believing that only i exist and that all of you are a product of MY imagination.

if you would care to carefully read my posts.. you would understand that my opinion is that we all comprise the larger whole which is infinite.
which is to say.. that all of us.. are merely a product of the imagination of the creative spirit which is ALL.

meaning... you and I.. are fundamentally the same SELF.
the only self.

all of us are.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972925 - 08/31/09 01:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Your assertions are obviously paradoxical; if everything exists, how is everything one? :confused:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10972931 - 08/31/09 01:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

your cells exist ..
how do they comprise your ONE body ?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972934 - 08/31/09 01:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that doesnt make sense. You say there is no reality outside of our imagination, yet you say we all comprise of a larger whole. That larger whole is reality.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10972944 - 08/31/09 01:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It is a body of cells, just like a house is a body of bricks, and a galaxy is a body of stars. My body, by definition, is a single phenomenon composed of many.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10972986 - 08/31/09 01:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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You say there is no reality outside of our imagination, yet you say we all comprise of a larger whole. That larger whole is reality.

yes

but i believe that down the line... each and every constituent realizes its connection to the infinite existence , thus becoming infinity itself.
one realizes... that one IS everything.

you are the larger whole... seemingly separated from all there is , in order to experience it.

its like 'god' , for lack of a better term, broke itself off into an infinite amount of constituents in order to find itself again :smile:

this 'god' ... this intelligent infinity... REALITY has nothing but subjective experience of itself.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973003 - 08/31/09 01:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Consciousness is a physical phenomenon; take away the physical organism, and it's gone.

Why do you believe that every constituent is conscious?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10973026 - 08/31/09 01:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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My body, by definition, is a single phenomenon composed of many.

likewise.. the infinite body is a single phenomenon composed of many..
therefore.. how can objectivity exist when it is comprised of the subjective experiences of its constituents ?

its not like a big red ball... only we see it purple and green depending on the entity.

its a big ball that is of all colors.

going by the color spectrum... you could call it white.

have you ever wondered why people refer to 'god' in their spiritual experiences as pure LIGHT ?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10973053 - 08/31/09 01:55 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Consciousness is a physical phenomenon; take away the physical organism, and it's gone.

that is your opinion , which i respect

but like i said.. it just doesnt fit in this forum.

we can debate about it..
i dont mind
i find it interesting.

but down the line we have a never ending re-run of skeptic vs believer and a shit tone arguments revolving around semantics and proof which neither of us have.

I believe that everything is conscious , because i am conscious of myself .. and the entirety of the human race on this planet at the same time.

i think.. we are like atoms of a molecule..
each of us consciously recognizing ourselves as I the atom..
and at the same time.. capable of collectively recognizing our higher consciousness as I the molecule.

this going up in scale into infinity.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973058 - 08/31/09 01:55 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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likewise.. the infinite body is a single phenomenon composed of many...

How can something be simultaneously single and infinite? The only reason my body can be one and many is because it is finite.

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how can objectivity exist when it is comprised of the subjective experiences of its constituents ?

Because subjective experiences are just part of existence; existence does not yield to sentient beings.

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have you ever wondered why people refer to 'god' in their spiritual experiences as pure LIGHT ?

Not really, no. Religious experiences don't interest me because the experiencer is usually adamantly sure that his/her experience was real in the objective world. This totally makes me " :snub:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10973078 - 08/31/09 01:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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How can something be simultaneously single and infinite?

Thats something you need to figure out on your own.

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existence does not yield to sentient beings.

you and i exist...

i can make you yield to me.

it is existence.. yielding to itself.

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Religious experiences don't interest me

I said spiritual
not religious.

big difference

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973090 - 08/31/09 02:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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but down the line we have a never ending re-run of skeptic vs believer and a shit tone arguments revolving around semantics and proof which neither of us have.

This usually happens when an individual involved in a debate is unaware of the many logical fallacies that exist. It also happens when terms aren't appropriately defined.

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I believe that everything is conscious , because i am conscious of myself .. and the entirety of the human race on this planet at the same time.

i think.. we are like atoms of a molecule..
each of us consciously recognizing ourselves as I the atom..
and at the same time.. capable of collectively recognizing our higher consciousness as I the molecule.

this going up in scale into infinity.

Life has many attributes, one being that it responds to stimuli. Do you honestly believe that inanimate objects are conscious?

You most definitely are not conscious of the entire human race, that is just a completely ridiculous statement. :nonono:

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i think.. we are like atoms of a molecule..
each of us consciously recognizing ourselves as I the atom..
and at the same time.. capable of collectively recognizing our higher consciousness as I the molecule.

this going up in scale into infinity.

So because you are conscious, you think the universe is?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973097 - 08/31/09 02:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Consciousness is a physical phenomenon; take away the physical organism, and it's gone.

that is your opinion , which i respect

but like i said.. it just doesnt fit in this forum.

Nowhere in the definition of mysticism or paranormal does it imply that consciousness must be capable of existing without an underlying physical basis. If you are proposing this theory, then it'd be nice to offer some reason for believing it.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973108 - 08/31/09 02:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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How can something be simultaneously single and infinite?

Thats something you need to figure out on your own.

Nah, I know it's impossible, I'm asking you because I want to know how you figure this.

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existence does not yield to sentient beings.

you and i exist...

i can make you yield to me.

it is existence.. yielding to itself.

Alright, then let's see you create a tidal wave with your mind! :wink:

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Religious experiences don't interest me

I said spiritual
not religious.

big difference

Small difference. :sadyes:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10973130 - 08/31/09 02:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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You most definitely are not conscious of the entire human race, that is just a completely ridiculous statement.

were done

find someone else to relentlessly contradict ..

i respected your beliefs.. and responded explaining mine.

your statement above.. does indeed make all my efforts to communicate with you ridiculous.

again...
your in the wrong forum...

work on tolerance towards ideas that do not match your own...
then we could possibly repeat this one day.

till then..

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973146 - 08/31/09 02:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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work on tolerance towards ideas that do not match your own...

Oh, the irony... :freakybirdthing:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10973260 - 08/31/09 02:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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work on tolerance towards ideas that do not match your own...

Oh, the irony...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10973296 - 08/31/09 02:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If jivJan were literally conscious of the entire human race, s/he would know my shoe size. And yours.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10973392 - 08/31/09 02:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Here is a place for dreamers who do not wish to have their ideas harshly debated, criticized or proven wrong. Freely express and discuss your personal beliefs on spirituality, religion, mysticism and the paranormal. Share your views of the universe, souls, god(s), extraterrestrials and beyond. Attempting to disprove or discredit an idea will not be tolerated. If you wish to debate and argue a position, consider visiting our Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology forum.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973490 - 08/31/09 02:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Here is a place for dreamers who do not wish to have their ideas harshly debated, criticized or proven wrong.

I've talked to one of the moderators of this forum, and he said it's OK to debate, so long as it doesn't evolve into some sort of OTD-style name calling bitchfest. These weren't his exact words, but I think you understand what I'm saying.

I wasn't criticizing you, I was just trying to tell you what I think. If you told me that you can fly at will, I would've told you the same thing. To me, claiming to posses the power of being conscious of the entire human race is just as ridiculous as claiming to be able to fly at will. :shrug:

If I offended you, fuck. My bad. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10973534 - 08/31/09 02:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Nowhere in the definition of mysticism or paranormal does it imply that consciousness must be capable of existing without an underlying physical basis. If you are proposing this theory, then it'd be nice to offer some reason for believing it.

You are correct.
But think of the implications of such a statement.
I wasnt referring to any rules when i responded to that... i simply thought it was a wrong basis for a discussion , leading into a debate , that ultimately works with the question , whether or not the soul exists. >> which i think is an idea that can be criticized , yet seems futile in this section of the forum.

i enjoy a conversation...
fuck it.. even a debate..

but i just dont like it when somebody says that my statements are ridiculous.

this thread is about psychic abilities ! and hes talking about how they dont exist.

that is for a different forum i believe.

we can get into the methods.. and argue about them..
you can say i know how to do it..
and i can say that i think your doing it wrong..
but denying the existence of the phenomena is definitely a big waste of time.. especially when this rejection is met with tolerance , only to be bashed on with petty skeptical comments in return.

the thread is about developing your psychic abilities...
and he is saying that i should be able to know his shoe size.

just think about that one for a second.. and tell me if this is really the right place for making such comments... rudely i might add.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10973561 - 08/31/09 02:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I wasn't criticizing you, I was just trying to tell you what I think.

and you told me that you think my statement is ridiculous - "bitchfest"
and that i DEFINITELY cannot do that - "criticized"
saying i should know your shoe size - "attempt to prove wrong"

i flew last night...
it was awesome..

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973882 - 08/31/09 03:42 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, this really seems to be a recurring theme on this forum; rationalism and logic vs direct experience and mysticism.

People with set beliefs (from either camp) never seem to be able to make the slightest dent in the other person's opinion.

So it goes back and forth endlessly.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10973896 - 08/31/09 03:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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the thread is about developing your psychic abilities...
and he is saying that i should be able to know his shoe size.

just think about that one for a second.. and tell me if this is really the right place for making such comments... rudely i might add.

I am just responding to your specific claims. You are claiming to possess consciousness of the entire human race; if this is true, then you would know my shoe size.

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this thread is about psychic abilities ! and hes talking about how they dont exist.

we can get into the methods.. and argue about them..
you can say i know how to do it..
and i can say that i think your doing it wrong..
but denying the existence of the phenomena is definitely a big waste of time.. especially when this rejection is met with tolerance , only to be bashed on with petty skeptical comments in return.

I explained how they don't exist, it's not like I'm just putting claims out there without any supporting evidence... :strokebeard:

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I wasn't criticizing you, I was just trying to tell you what I think.

and you told me that you think my statement is ridiculous - "bitchfest"
and that i DEFINITELY cannot do that - "criticized"
saying i should know your shoe size - "attempt to prove wrong"

i flew last night...
it was awesome..

I told you I think it is ridiculous, and that was the end of that exchange. I wasn't going to keep calling your beliefs names, and I didn't call your belief ridiculous just to get a rise out of you.

I'm saying you definitely cannot do that, just like you definitely cannot fly, or shapeshift into a monster. These are all things that the human organism is incapable of, so I am just stating that you, as a human organism, are incapable of possessing such an ability.

You told me you are conscious of every single person; if this was true, then you would know my shoe size. I'm not trying to prove you wrong here, I'm trying to prove you right! :smirk:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10973904 - 08/31/09 03:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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People with set beliefs (from either camp) never seem to be able to make the slightest dent in the other person's opinion.

Logicians don't have set beliefs. :satansmoking:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10974129 - 08/31/09 04:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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People with set beliefs (from either camp) never seem to be able to make the slightest dent in the other person's opinion.

Logicians don't have set beliefs.

The mystic would say that complete faith in logic is a belief and dogma, and that the universe as a totality does not necessarily behave in a logical way. Logic is just one facet of it.

So you can see how an argument between the two types can go no where. The rationalist is saying: prove to me how a non-logical event/idea is possible, using logic. Show me how something outside my belief system can exist using my belief system. The trouble comes from the fact that one thinks that logic and rationalism is not subject to question - that it is not a point of view or way of thinking, but an underlying property of the world. While the other sees it only as one way of perceiving the world; valid for certain purposes, but by no means the end all.

So there is a fundamental miss-communication, and both types will argue endlessly with no real progress.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10974189 - 08/31/09 04:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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The mystic would say that complete faith in logic is a belief and dogma, and that the universe as a totality does not necessarily behave in a logical way. Logic is just one facet of it.

I agree. A rationalist only understands and uses one facet of reality yet believes he is superior. A mystic can use rationalism and more.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10974206 - 08/31/09 04:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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The mystic would say that complete faith in logic is a belief and dogma, and that the universe as a totality does not necessarily behave in a logical way. Logic is just one facet of it.

I agree. A rationalist only understands and uses one facet of reality yet believes he is superior. A mystic can use rationalism and more.

Well the problem is that the mystic often sacrifices logic, and hence if not careful can become quite deluded. Its a fine balancing act.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10974217 - 08/31/09 04:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think it would be more proper to describe the 'rationalist and logic' group as 'skeptics'. I am skeptical even of rationalism and logic - they are constructs of the human mind and the universe indeed need not follow them.

Otherwise, I think you are correct that it is highly unlikely that a dent will be made in a debate between individual skeptics and mystics. But on the scale of society at large there is a big shift happening - and one side is winning the debate. Its a shift that started a few hundred years ago for us westerners and it continues to this day. The old view point that was cherished for so many millennium is being swept away in mere centuries. I dont even need to say which view point is which - it is quite clear. :wink:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10974686 - 08/31/09 05:46 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think it is completely natural for people with no psychic abilities to be afraid of the idea that such abilities exist.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10974714 - 08/31/09 05:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I think it is completely natural for people with no psychic abilities to be afraid of the idea that such abilities exist.

People clearly don't understand them either.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10974960 - 08/31/09 06:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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The mystic would say that complete faith in logic is a belief and dogma, and that the universe as a totality does not necessarily behave in a logical way. Logic is just one facet of it.

Logic isn't faith, it is a mechanism of understanding. The universe does not 'behave' in any way; the only thing we can do with the universe is attempt to understand it.

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So you can see how an argument between the two types can go no where. The rationalist is saying: prove to me how a non-logical event/idea is possible, using logic.

The rationalist is saying: show me how you came to your conclusion. The mystic is saying: my conclusion is absolute, how I came to it is unimportant.

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The trouble comes from the fact that one thinks that logic and rationalism is not subject to question - that it is not a point of view or way of thinking, but an underlying property of the world.

Logic and rationalism is questioning, and they are both constantly under question... :wtf:

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So there is a fundamental miss-communication, and both types will argue endlessly with no real progress.

Agreed.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10974982 - 08/31/09 06:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I think it is completely natural for people with no psychic abilities to be afraid of the idea that such abilities exist.

Then you must be unnatural! :wink:

Do any of you actually believe that you can literally read another's thoughts?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10975233 - 08/31/09 06:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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People clearly don't understand them either.

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Do any of you actually believe that you can literally read another's thoughts?

The word psychic (pronounced /ˈsaɪkɨk/; from the Greek psychikos—"of the soul, mental") refers to a claimed ability to perceive information hidden from the normal senses through extrasensory perception or to people said to have such abilities.

I don't believe I can read other people's thoughts. As you may see, that isn't even what psychic means. I have on occasion perceived information hidden from the normal senses through extrasensory perception.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10975438 - 08/31/09 07:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't believe I can read other people's thoughts. As you may see, that isn't even what psychic means.

From Telepathy - Wikipedia:

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Telepathy (Greek ôçëå, tele meaning "distant" and ðÜèåéá, patheia meaning "to be affected by"), refers to the transfer of information on thoughts or feelings between individuals by means other than the five classical senses (See Psi). The term was coined in 1882 by the classical scholar Fredric W. H. Myers, a founder of the Society for Psychical Research, specifically to replace the earlier expression thought-transference. A person who is able to make use of telepathy is said to be able to read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others. Telepathy, along with psychokinesis forms the main branches of parapsychological research, and many studies seeking to detect, understand, utilize telepathy have been done within the field.

I maintain that if you admantly believe that you can "transfer...information on thoughts or feelings by means other than the five classical senses", and/or are able to "read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others", you are delusional. :crazy2:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10975464 - 08/31/09 07:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Gee, Toto, I don't think we are in Kansas anymore.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10975477 - 08/31/09 07:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed, Dorothy. :thumbup:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10975523 - 08/31/09 07:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I maintain that if you admantly believe that you can "transfer...information on thoughts or feelings by means other than the five classical senses", and/or are able to "read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others", you are delusional.

You would diagnose someone with a mental illness without any proof whatsoever?

If someone claims to have an ability that you do not have you assume that they are crazy?

Maybe someone should start a thread in PSP attempting to prove that psychic abilities are impossible.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10975554 - 08/31/09 07:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Delusions themselves are symptoms, they are not an illness. I don't have proof that anyone here actually believes that they can communicate telepathically, I'm sorta just taking everyone's word for it. :shrug:

Claiming such inhuman abilities isn't enough, you have to adamantly believe that you possess such abilities to be delusional! :wink:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10975556 - 08/31/09 07:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe someone should start a thread in PSP attempting to prove that psychic abilities are impossible.

Go ahead.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10975579 - 08/31/09 07:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Claiming such inhuman abilities isn't enough, you have to adamantly believe that you possess such abilities to be delusional!

Claiming such abilities are inhuman is presumptuous.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10976943 - 08/31/09 11:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe someone should start a thread in PSP attempting to prove that psychic abilities are impossible.

Go ahead.

That would be a waste of time.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10978121 - 09/01/09 07:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Telepathy is just perceiving an intended thought from one person to another. Going back on the 'green triangle' discussion, you'd be more so inclined toward the other's perception of the green triangle than your own. This is how I've come to understand what telepathy is. It's not the literal reading of one person's mind, I don't believe you can "hear their thoughts" as if they were thinking in your own head. You seem to be thinking too much of comic books, movies, and television shows.

"A person who is able to make use of telepathy is said to be able to read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others." I'd even find that ridiculous, I don't believe someone is able to access random memory from a brain of someone as if they were a computer drive. But being able to perceive something with means other than the 5 physical senses about a person or an object, I'd consider that a 'psychic ability'.

Telekinesis and all the other more "flashy" type of abilities that have been supposed to exist or have been featured in the media, I believe more than likely do not exist. Telepathy, empathy, thing of that nature. Those do exist, to an extent.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TheWolf]
#10978264 - 09/01/09 08:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
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Poid said:
Claiming such inhuman abilities isn't enough, you have to adamantly believe that you possess such abilities to be delusional!

Claiming such abilities are inhuman is presumptuous.

Ok.

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Telepathy is just perceiving an intended thought from one person to another.

This is impossible; instead, people are just using their imaginations to concoct educated guesses of what another person is thinking.

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It's not the literal reading of one person's mind, I don't believe you can "hear their thoughts" as if they were thinking in your own head. You seem to be thinking too much of comic books, movies, and television shows.

It is in fact the literal hearing of others' thoughts, I quoted Wikipedia's definition for a reason.

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"A person who is able to make use of telepathy is said to be able to read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others." I'd even find that ridiculous, I don't believe someone is able to access random memory from a brain of someone as if they were a computer drive. But being able to perceive something with means other than the 5 physical senses about a person or an object, I'd consider that a 'psychic ability'.

Humans don't actually have other senses. This "sixth sense" is pure imagination, literally. :smirk:

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Telepathy, empathy, thing of that nature. Those do exist, to an extent.

Telepathy doesn't exist, and it never will for humans. Empathy and telepathy are not one and the same. :nonono:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TheWolf]
#10978286 - 09/01/09 08:29 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So how bout instead of arguing about whether or not psychic abilities exist, we go a little bit futher and just for the sake of talking about mysticism and the paranormal, we assume that there is a possibility of such things. Perhaps we might even have a conversation about methods to become more in touch with these abilities.

Or we can just continue going around in argument circles until the end of time...

I think there are many methods that have been used in many different societies over the ages to reach mental states other than the "norm". Many do say that by reaching these "other than normal" mental states, they are able to contact information other than what our normal every day perception would allow.

I find it interesting that similar methods have been used by shamen from many different corners of the globe, who's cultures would have had very little if any contact with each other.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10978361 - 09/01/09 08:50 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, because no one can prove that psychic abilities do not exist we do not have to assume that these things are possible because it is a fact that they are possible.

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Telepathy doesn't exist, and it never will for humans.

You cannot say that something does not exist as if it was a matter of fact unless you are able to prove that it does not exist... and repeating yourself over and over again does nothing but disrupt a very harmless and interesting conversation.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#10978368 - 09/01/09 08:52 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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So how bout instead of arguing about whether or not psychic abilities exist, we go a little bit futher and just for the sake of talking about mysticism and the paranormal, we assume that there is a possibility of such things. Perhaps we might even have a conversation about methods to become more in touch with these abilities.

It's physically impossible, do you not get it? :banghead:

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I think there are many methods that have been used in many different societies over the ages to reach mental states other than the "norm". Many do say that by reaching these "other than normal" mental states, they are able to contact information other than what our normal every day perception would allow.

God damn it. These "mental states" are just pure imagination; when I'm daydreaming, I'm in a different mental state then when I'm out in the streets getting fucked up and partying etc.

In reality, we cannot perceive with anything other than our physical body, because perception is a physical mechanism. We can imagine, but that's as far as we can get.

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I find it interesting that similar methods have been used by shamen from many different corners of the globe, who's cultures would have had very little if any contact with each other.

Shamen?

First of all, please provide sources for this claim. Second of all, even if it's true, so what? We're all human beings, it's no fucking surprise that we create similar vain imaginings...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10978375 - 09/01/09 08:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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zen buddy said:
Actually, because no one can prove that psychic abilities do not exist we do not have to assume that these things are possible because it is a fact that they are possible.

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Telepathy doesn't exist, and it never will for humans.

You cannot say that something does not exist as if it was a matter of fact unless you are able to prove that it does not exist... and repeating yourself over and over again does nothing but disrupt a very harmless and interesting conversation.

You are a physical being, no? It has been proven that perception is a physical mechanism, no?

The burden of proof is on the claimant who suggests that some sort of non self-evident phenomenon exists. What in the world makes you think the burden of proof is on me? :confused:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10978771 - 09/01/09 10:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Telepathy doesn't exist

I'd be interested to see what proof you have for this claim. If you have no proof (which you don't because it's not even possible to prove a negative) then that's just as bad as those who adamantly believe it does exist tbh.

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The burden of proof is on the claimant who suggests that some sort of non self-evident phenomenon exists. What in the world makes you think the burden of proof is on me?

You said that it didn't exist, not that there was no proof it exist so it is not objective fact. You said that objectively telepathy doesn't exist, when you have no clue.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10979020 - 09/01/09 10:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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It has been proven that perception is a physical mechanism, no?

I don't think that has been proven at all. We really do not know at this point. We can see that altering the brain alters perception, but that does not mean perception is an entirely physical event.

I think its funny that die hard materialist are so certain that the world is primarily made of a matter and consciousness is somehow a byproduct of it, secondary to matter. The only thing any of us have ever experienced is consciousness. Consciousness is really our first principle. It seems to me the burden of proof should be on the materialist to show that their is anything but consciousness; and I don't think the fact that destroying the brain results in death is proof, as we have no witness to tell us what really happens after.

Take the analogy of someone who has spent their entire life staring at a television screen displaying a flower. They say, "surely that flower is real," ignoring the fact that all they have ever really known is the television screen. Well, for some reason, we have become fixated on the world of matter, when we spend our entire lives using consciousness to perceive it - never able to step outside of our minds and prove the objective validity of of matter as separate from mind.

Oh, and thread almost TOTALLY derailed into another argument about the validity of the mystic/paranormal.

Any comments on psychic abilities that aren't argumentative? It would be welcome :grin:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10979399 - 09/01/09 11:48 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Telepathy doesn't exist

I'd be interested to see what proof you have for this claim. If you have no proof (which you don't because it's not even possible to prove a negative) then that's just as bad as those who adamantly believe it does exist tbh.

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The burden of proof is on the claimant who suggests that some sort of non self-evident phenomenon exists. What in the world makes you think the burden of proof is on me?

You said that it didn't exist, not that there was no proof it exist so it is not objective fact. You said that objectively telepathy doesn't exist, when you have no clue.

I already explained, several times, that it is impossible and non-existent. If you wanna go back and read, be my guest.

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It has been proven that perception is a physical mechanism, no?

I don't think that has been proven at all. We really do not know at this point. We can see that altering the brain alters perception, but that does not mean perception is an entirely physical event.

It depends on a physical body to exist; take that away, and you also take away perception.

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I think its funny that die hard materialist are so certain that the world is primarily made of a matter and consciousness is somehow a byproduct of it, secondary to matter. The only thing any of us have ever experienced is consciousness. Consciousness is really our first principle. It seems to me the burden of proof should be on the materialist to show that their is anything but consciousness; and I don't think the fact that destroying the brain results in death is proof, as we have no witness to tell us what really happens after.

We know that the creature is no more after it's dead. We know, via experimentation, that inanimate objects are not conscious.

Why imagine things and automatically assume that they're true? :justdontknow:

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Take the analogy of someone who has spent their entire life staring at a television screen displaying a flower. They say, "surely that flower is real," ignoring the fact that all they have ever really known is the television screen. Well, for some reason, we have become fixated on the world of matter, when we spend our entire lives using consciousness to perceive it - never able to step outside of our minds and prove the objective validity of of matter as separate from mind.

This just goes back to defining terms. If someone spent their entire life watching a flower on TV, to them, the term 'flower' is defined as a mosaic of blips on a screen that produce a certain image. And that person would be correct in defining that as such.

Just like a machine works and does things, so do we.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10979450 - 09/01/09 11:55 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

But...but... it would be so cool if it was possible and existent! :royalrainbow:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10979512 - 09/01/09 12:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

True, but it's not even fathomable.

It's like you literally feeling my sprained wrist; this is nonsense on so many levels...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10979689 - 09/01/09 12:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Poid...

Learn to swim

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10979704 - 09/01/09 12:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Poptart...

Show me how you do it

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10979730 - 09/01/09 12:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Be still

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10979854 - 09/01/09 12:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

...then I'll sink! :mad2:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10979983 - 09/01/09 01:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Quote me where I said telepathy and empathy are the same thing.

Oh, my bad, I guess wikipedia's definitions of everything are absolute. :smirk:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TheWolf]
#10980053 - 09/01/09 01:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Telepathy, empathy, thing of that nature. Those do exist, to an extent.

You are saying that these things are of the same nature. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10980355 - 09/01/09 02:24 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10980415 - 09/01/09 02:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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...then I'll sink!

Don't worry the currents will catch you and take you where you need to go.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10980682 - 09/01/09 03:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

By which time I'll wake up in Kansas...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10980701 - 09/01/09 03:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think I was telepathically informed not to read this thread - that's why I keep skipping over it! :shocked:

Now that I'm here I can see why my telepathic informant was right on the money. WTF Poid. If you are going to say "telepathy is nonsense, etc., etc." then why do we even have a paranormal and mysticism forum? You can think telepathy and all things paranormal are crack-pot issues, but that doesn't negate the rules of the forum....

This forum, as I understand it, is for exploring things that are otherwise UNEXPLAINABLE.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: fazdazzle]
#10980729 - 09/01/09 03:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Telepathy is perfectly explainable, as evidenced by the fact that I've perfectly explained it countless times in this thread! :paradisiscoolwhat:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10980799 - 09/01/09 03:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Cool. Though you seem to have skipped over some of the more important points. AKA you're breaking forum rules :smile:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10980822 - 09/01/09 03:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Telepathy is perfectly explainable, as evidenced by the fact that I've perfectly explained it countless times in this thread!

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: fazdazzle]
#10980823 - 09/01/09 03:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't break a single rule. If I did, a moderator would have notified me by now; you're in no position to be telling me I broke the rules! :shake:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10980853 - 09/01/09 03:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I didn't break a single rule. If I did, a moderator would have notified me by now; you're in no position to be telling me I broke the rules!

There's no moderators in M&P you silly goose! Either way if we allow Qubit we gotta allow you :heart:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10980904 - 09/01/09 03:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

In that case, all hell's gonna break loose! :uptosomething:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10980995 - 09/01/09 03:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

but what is the point of arguing? obviously some people here have experiences under their belts which prove to them without a doubt that there is something much larger taking place. personally, non of your arguments make a difference to me i know what i know and nothing will ever change that. all i can do on my end is accept and forgive you for not being able to see it, i wish you could grant us the same courtesy and leave if you have nothing to contribute. it is arrogant for you, a human, a tiny cluster of organic molecules on a cosmic body who's size your small brain could not fathom, to say it isn't real. the size of your planet is unfathomable, how could you dare to make assertions as to the nature of this universe? IMO, it's silly of you. i mean, how could one possibly observe the perfect geometric structure of matter, or the orbits of cosmic bodies, or the infinity of the cosmos and say it's an accident? i used to be so iguess you don't have to answer that, but we shouldn't be arguing.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981024 - 09/01/09 03:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Get off your high horse dummy. Nobody asked for your forgiveness.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981076 - 09/01/09 04:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I already explained, several times, that it is impossible and non-existent. If you wanna go back and read, be my guest.

When your explanation becomes correct, we will listen to you.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981105 - 09/01/09 04:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Get off your high horse dummy. Nobody asked for your forgiveness.

really thats your response? i'm not forgiving you because you want or asked for it. i need to forgive people and accept that is who you are or i will lose my mind.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10981115 - 09/01/09 04:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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but what is the point of arguing? obviously some people here have experiences under their belts which prove to them without a doubt that there is something much larger taking place.

Nothing but their imagination is taking place.

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I already explained, several times, that it is impossible and non-existent. If you wanna go back and read, be my guest.

When your explanation becomes correct, we will listen to you.

My explanation will not, and cannot become anything other than what it already is. I don't remember you replying to my earlier points, so I'm going to assume you have no sort of refutation to offer. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981122 - 09/01/09 04:13 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Can we please stop the pointless arguing and discuss the topic of the thread?

This is one of the worst threadjacks ever! :facepalm:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#10981175 - 09/01/09 04:20 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981213 - 09/01/09 04:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

look so this is how is see it;
humanity boils down into two, those who have experienced it, and those who have/can not experience it.. for whatever reason. the skeptics fall into the latter category obviously. mkay so we are not on the same page here, arguing won't do us any good so i quit. BUT... i have a question. don't judge the question just answer it for gods sake; have you experienced hyperspace?

for the record, arguably the smartest man who ever lived believed in a higher power.

"A human being is a part of this whole, called by us ‘Universe’, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to apportion for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein

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also i think i should say something about myself. i was born in the ussr and was raised by scientist that never had religion pushed on them, they never pushed religion on me. i was always very skeptical of such things. until i got to school. my study of machine design made me go through the classical physics series, as well as anthropology, and philosophy.. as well as many other hard ass classes most people couldn't wrap their brains around but that isn't the point. the point is these courses in particular helped me see that humanity doesn't really know whats up and it's up to me to be the judge for myself. no one could tell me. we're all just about as lost as the rest of us in terms of why. i found my why and i really hope you guys do to. if not, i have to accept and live with that... and that is not easy.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981241 - 09/01/09 04:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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look so this is how is see it;
humanity boils down into two, those who have experienced it, and those who have/can not experience it.. for whatever reason. the skeptics fall into the latter category obviously. mkay so we are not on the same page here, arguing won't do us any good so i quit. BUT... i have a question. don't judge the question just answer it for gods sake; have you experienced hyperspace?

Great, now you're assuming things of me. :thumbup:

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for the record, arguably the smartest man who ever lived believed in a higher power.

"A human being is a part of this whole, called by us ?Universe?, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest ? a kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to apportion for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." Albert Einstein

Yet he couldn't prove his beliefs... :strokebeard:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981256 - 09/01/09 04:34 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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humanity boils down into two, those who have experienced it, and those who have/can not experience it.. for whatever reason. the skeptics fall into the latter category obviously.

Not true. I have experienced it (that is psychic ability), many times - yet I remain a skeptic.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981263 - 09/01/09 04:35 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

no but the point is he pulled answers out of thin air that could be proven. answers that REVOLUTIONIZED modern physics. can't you understand that not everything has to have an obvious reason, or reason at all? take mass for instance, I can argue there is no such thing. you can't lable, see, touch, feel mass-- you can only observe the effects mass has on objects in a physical environment. or the mind for instance, you cannot touch a mind, with our understanding of neurology there shouldn't be such a thing. yet everyone can experience it subjectively.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981265 - 09/01/09 04:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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humanity boils down into two, those who have experienced it, and those who have/can not experience it.. for whatever reason. the skeptics fall into the latter category obviously.

Not true. I have experienced it (that is psychic ability), many times - yet I remain a skeptic.

you have no idea what i mean by it.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981267 - 09/01/09 04:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Me too. Well, I've never heard thoughts, per se, but I have experienced things somewhat similar to what people are talking about here.

I remain firmly anchored to my position, still.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981280 - 09/01/09 04:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Mystics are always misquoting and misinterpreting Einstein to try and substantiate their beliefs. Why are people who are so hostile to science also so desperate to gain the approval of the most famous scientist?

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“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981320 - 09/01/09 04:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i'm a fucking scientist.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981331 - 09/01/09 04:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

did you not read the bit about machine design? do you have any idea wtf that even is? so i promised i'd stop, g'day

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981347 - 09/01/09 04:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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i'm a fucking scientist.

No, you are not. :shrug:

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Mystics are always misquoting and misinterpreting Einstein to try and substantiate their beliefs. Why are people who are so hostile to science also so desperate to gain the approval of the most famous scientist?

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Einstein said:
?It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981377 - 09/01/09 04:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

no yes, yes i am. i dunno what makes you think otherwise. i'm also on the penn. maybe we could discuss thermodynamics and mysticism over some coffee.

btw i never said the man was religious. i didn't say anything about mysticism either. there is a difference between religion and what i'm talking about.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981404 - 09/01/09 04:54 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

How do you reconcile doing scientific research and embracing mysticism?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981432 - 09/01/09 04:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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no yes, yes i am. i dunno what makes you think otherwise.

Because you type like a little girl. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981439 - 09/01/09 04:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

well i promised i'd stop but...

i'm not really talking about mysticism. you can call it that if you want i suppose but it implies something silly or delusional. if there is truth to what we're saying then it's a physical phenomenon. the term metaphysical is silly and confuses simple folk. when we're not sure of a physical phenomenon we call it metaphysical. when we are sure, we write about it in physics books. btw "scientific research" is very broad and i could go on and on about how your question is silly.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981452 - 09/01/09 05:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

ok i see where you're coming from. you forgot to take your mid day nap. it's cool man don't get cranky.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981455 - 09/01/09 05:00 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

So what is the point of your existence in this thread Poid?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#10981463 - 09/01/09 05:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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ok i see where you're coming from. you forgot to take your mid day nap. it's cool man don't get cranky.

, I'm not crankey for shit, I'm just telling it like it is. :shrug:

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So what is the point of your existence in this thread Poid?

Totally off-topic... :snub:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981466 - 09/01/09 05:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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when we're not sure of a physical phenomenon we call it metaphysical. when we are sure, we write about it in physics books.

Thats not true. Every physics book I have read openly discusses things that we are not sure of (either slightly unsure or very unsure). Thats not to say that everything we are unsure of is in a physics book...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981465 - 09/01/09 05:02 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

so..

why arent there any mods here ?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10981477 - 09/01/09 05:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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so..

why arent there any mods here ?

QFT

poid's gainsaying is obviously against the rules of this forum. This is for discussion NOT debate.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10981479 - 09/01/09 05:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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so..

why arent there any mods here ?

There are. Just hit the notify mods button if you see rules being broken.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#10981485 - 09/01/09 05:05 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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so..

why arent there any mods here ?

QFT

poid's gainsaying is obviously against the rules of this forum. This is for discussion NOT debate.

I've mentioned many times that debate is not against the rules here. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981492 - 09/01/09 05:06 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

its sort of like that video i watched a while ago and what that guy was talking about billions of atoms creating one whole, and billions of these wholes create one humanity, and billions of these species create one planet... and so forth in both +/- directions. on one hand i'm an engineering, i research materials that become machines.... i have to do this in order to play the role of 'dummy' an individual, an engineer, a scholar, rides bikes, explorer or consciousness... this is my ego, who i am in this life. this is an imperative trait because i need to perform in society. at the same time i realize that we are one, and i've experienced the miracle of my own death through my eyes and am forever changed. thats why i'm writing this shit. like i have nothing better i otta be doing.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981501 - 09/01/09 05:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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My explanation will not, and cannot become anything other than what it already is. I don't remember you replying to my earlier points, so I'm going to assume you have no sort of refutation to offer.

I am not here to play PSP jerkoff games or to educate you. I will not refute you. You should take your shit to the other forum where it belongs.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981506 - 09/01/09 05:08 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i mean things that are even more profound than say... our poor understanding of charge.

take the reported, but not scientifically verified phenomenon of ghosts. ghosts fall under metaphysical(transcends established sciences). but say there was a breakthrough in modern physics. scientists hooked machines up to a dying person and somehow detected their 'spirit' transcending dimensions. then they somehow peered into that dimension and found it was the realm of ghosts. when this realm was confirmed, it would become a physical phenomenon because it occurs in the universe. my point is that just because we don't understand, can't quantify or measure some of the process in the universe (like the hypothetical ghosts) doesn't mean they're 'mystical' or 'metaphysical'. but you probably didn't get that one either.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#10981512 - 09/01/09 05:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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So what is the point of your existence in this thread Poid?

If argument is not your point, then what is? Are you really interested in discussing the development of psychic abilities, or are you here for the purpose of stoking/stroking your own ego?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981518 - 09/01/09 05:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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so..

why arent there any mods here ?

QFT

poid's gainsaying is obviously against the rules of this forum. This is for discussion NOT debate.

I've mentioned many times that debate is not against the rules here.

Try reading the rules before you cite them.

For skeptic vs believer style debates on spiritual issues, visit the Philosophy and Spirituality board.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981520 - 09/01/09 05:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

None do. They have nothing to do with physics.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981527 - 09/01/09 05:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

mkay so that point went about a mile over your head but that is ok.

look guys, it's experienced not taught.... at least not taught by a human. thats why this debate is going nowhere way too fast. neither side will convince the other of anything.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981548 - 09/01/09 05:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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mkay so that point went about a mile over your head but that is ok.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981583 - 09/01/09 05:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

mkay i edited just for you.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981584 - 09/01/09 05:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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.... at least not taught by a human.

Now Pod will explain why there are no non-human teachers.
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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981619 - 09/01/09 05:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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my point is that just because we don't understand some of the process in the universe (like the hypothetical ghosts) doesn't mean they're 'mystical' or 'metaphysical'.

Of course not, nobody claims that. Thats not why things get categorized as mystical or metaphysical. Im surprised a scientist like yourself would be confused on this. They are categorized as mystical and metaphyisical because they are not independently and repeatably observable, and in fact have never been independently, repeatably observed. Thats it, its that simple. If they ever get independently observed then they will cease being mystical/metaphysical. Along that line, many things we dont understand (like type II superconductivity or the rotation speed of galaxies) are not considered mystical or metaphysical because they are independently and repeatably observed.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10981654 - 09/01/09 05:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

ok but maybe we're overlooking special conditions. we couldn't talk about galaxies before we had telescopes.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10981655 - 09/01/09 05:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I didn't break a single rule. If I did, a moderator would have notified me by now; you're in no position to be telling me I broke the rules!

what mods? :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981656 - 09/01/09 05:33 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

btw whats up with the sig?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10981934 - 09/01/09 06:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think Poid is breaking any rules, but you guys sure keep feeding him. No one is stopping you from discussing psychic abilities, you don't have to direct all your comments at Poid just because he came here and said he doesn't believe in such abilities.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10981955 - 09/01/09 06:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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why arent there any mods here ?

according to the forum rules ( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4780411 ) a few people need to be reminded... ya, where are the mods?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10982099 - 09/01/09 06:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

know what I mean?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10982101 - 09/01/09 06:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If you want to alert the mods to rule breaking hit the notify mod button. Its easy, its right below every post and looks like this -

. Unlike the members in this thread, they are not all psychic and have to be told if rules are being broken.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10982156 - 09/01/09 06:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You cannot prove anything to be honest Poid. Any good scientist will be the first to admit that they know hardly anything about the mind or the universe.

As Newton said "I always felt I was but a child picking up pebbles on the sea-shore while the vast ocean of truth lay undiscovered before me."

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10982160 - 09/01/09 06:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I know where the button is.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10982163 - 09/01/09 06:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

O.k, instead of bitching to the mods about Poid disagreeing with you guys, lets get the topic back on track.

Have you ever had a random intuition, or "psychic" thought, help you out in some way?

I was once driving over a narrow bridge, which I had driven over many times before, that blocked the visibility of oncoming traffic. Normally I would just drive right over rather foolishly without slowing down, but on this occasion I had a sudden thought that I should stop, and just as I pulled over to the side a truck barreled over the bridge. It would have most likely been a head on collision if I had just kept driving.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10982166 - 09/01/09 06:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

But this isnt the science forum, so here psychic abilities are proved without a doubt because they are experienced.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10982169 - 09/01/09 06:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Have you ever had a random intuition, or "psychic" thought, help you out in some way?

Yea, I have many times. I told 'dummy' that but she didnt believe me. :sad:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10982223 - 09/01/09 06:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I had been seeing this girl for a couple of weeks and I was being monogamous like she asked of me when I had a dream that she had been with four other guys since we started seeing each other. When I woke up I questioned her and sure enough it was true.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10982277 - 09/01/09 07:07 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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But this isnt the science forum, so here psychic abilities are proved without a doubt because they are experienced.

I agree that that is pretty silly but what I was disagreeing was not an assertion by Poid of "I don't believe in telepathy" it was "Telpathy doesn't exist."

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10982587 - 09/01/09 07:49 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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Tranquil Toad said:
Have you ever had a random intuition, or "psychic" thought, help you out in some way?

Yea, I have many times. I told 'dummy' that but she didnt believe me.

i didn't not believe you. i just totally ignored you because i went off on a lil tangent... or um, was carried away with the tangent that this thread went on. sorry about that.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10985447 - 09/02/09 08:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I find that practices like meditation on calming the mind, and keeping dream journals can really be beneficial do developing these types of abilities.

I find that when I meditate regularly, I have premonitions as well as seeing amazing synchronicities in the world around me.

Does anyone else here have experience with such things?

I'm glad this thread has gotten back on track.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#10985465 - 09/02/09 08:54 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I had a mushroom trip where I was told that everything that occurs is there for you to learn and grow from. When I started looking at things from that perspective it tied the dreams and synchronicities together.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985475 - 09/02/09 08:57 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
I am not here to...educate you.

Fuck man, you don't need to tell me that twice! :lol:

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So what is the point of your existence in this thread Poid?

If argument is not your point, then what is? Are you really interested in discussing the development of psychic abilities, or are you here for the purpose of stoking/stroking your own ego?

I'm here to tell people that what they think is "psychic powers" is actually called emotional intelligence.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10985516 - 09/02/09 09:06 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
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Power said:
I am not here to...educate you.

Fuck man, you don't need to tell me that twice!

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So what is the point of your existence in this thread Poid?

If argument is not your point, then what is? Are you really interested in discussing the development of psychic abilities, or are you here for the purpose of stoking/stroking your own ego?

I'm here to tell people that what they think is "psychic powers" is actually called emotional intelligence.

Semantics....? :dudewtf:

edit-Sorry, I shouldn't have said that, I'm just furthuring the the pointless debate. I'll have to check out "emotional intelligence" when I get home from work. Don't have time right now.

Edited by nicechrisman (09/02/09 09:11 AM)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#10985547 - 09/02/09 09:12 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

No, they're different; some people who have high emotional intelligence like to use their imagination to convince themselves that they have supernatural powers. :shrug:

From Emotional Initelligence - Wikipedia:

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Emotional Intelligence (EI) describes the ability, capacity, skill or, in the case of the trait EI model, a self-perceived ability, to identify, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, and of groups. Different models have been proposed for the definition of EI and disagreement exists as to how the term should be used. Despite these disagreements, which are often highly technical, the ability EI and trait EI models (but not the mixed models) enjoy support in the literature and have successful applications in different domains.

From Telepathy - Wikipedia:

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Telepathy (Greek τηλε, tele meaning "distant" and πάθεια, patheia meaning "to be affected by",) refers to the transfer of information on thoughts or feelings between individuals by means other than the five classical senses (See Psi). The term was coined in 1882 by the classical scholar Fredric W. H. Myers, a founder of the Society for Psychical Research, specifically to replace the earlier expression thought-transference. A person who is able to make use of telepathy is said to be able to read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others. Telepathy, along with psychokinesis forms the main branches of parapsychological research, and many studies seeking to detect, understand, utilize telepathy have been done within the field.

Telepathy is a common theme in modern fiction and science fiction, with many superheroes and supervillains having telepathic abilities. Such abilities include sensing the thoughts of others.

See, there's a huge difference! :yesnod2:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10985573 - 09/02/09 09:16 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
I'm here to tell people that what they think is "psychic powers" is actually called emotional intelligence.

How arrogant of you. :smile:

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I am not here to...educate you.

Fuck man, you don't need to tell me that twice!

I think you are trying to make some kind of joke. I lack the desire to educate you, not the ability.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985582 - 09/02/09 09:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
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Poid said:
I'm here to tell people that what they think is "psychic powers" is actually called emotional intelligence.

How arrogant of you.

Well, I'll be! :snub:

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I think you are trying to make some kind of joke. I lack the desire to educate you, not the ability.

I never said you lacked the ability; anyone can learn things. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10985590 - 09/02/09 09:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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anyone can learn things.

Unless they have already made a decision and are unwilling to reconsider.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985598 - 09/02/09 09:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

, and this somehow eliminates potential? :what:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10985611 - 09/02/09 09:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

We weren't talking about potential. Shutting out new information because you think you already have the answer is an impedance to learning.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985627 - 09/02/09 09:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

It is a learning disability which can be overcome.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985640 - 09/02/09 09:29 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

You said:

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Power said:
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anyone can learn things.

Unless they have already made a decision and are unwilling to reconsider.

This literally means that you believe that when one has already made a decision and is unwilling to reconsider, that they can't learn things (i.e.- potential to learn is lost when desire to learn is lost).

I'm not shutting out shit here. Give me your information, and let's see what I'll do with it.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10985689 - 09/02/09 09:40 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
This literally means that you believe that when one has already made a decision and is unwilling to reconsider, that they can't learn things (i.e.- potential to learn is lost when desire to learn is lost).

Close enough, I am not going to get all semantical over the word potential. Learning requires integrating new information into existing information or it can involve reworking connections between already know information.

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I'm not shutting out shit here. Give me your information, and let's see what I'll do with it.

lacking desire, wrong forum, etc.
Nothing personal, but if I wanted to do what you want to do I would be in the PSP forum.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985702 - 09/02/09 09:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
It is a learning disability which can be overcome.

Realizing that pride and arrogance are holding you back is a huge step for anyone with this learning disability.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10985712 - 09/02/09 09:43 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Looks to me like pride and arrogance are part and parcel of learning this ability. The believers constantly belittle and mock those who are skeptical, like telling them they are close minded, have a learning disability or some other arrogant nonsense.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10985733 - 09/02/09 09:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I think people who are not willing to critically assess their beliefs, while being adamantly and firmly anchored to them, are the epitome of arrogance. :snub:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10985775 - 09/02/09 09:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
I think people who are not willing to critically assess their beliefs, while being adamantly and firmly anchored to them, are the epitome of arrogance.

Pot to kettle.
I have no firmly anchored beliefs. I have passed the phase where I think that going in circles with a skeptic is productive for me.

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DieCommie said:
Looks to me like pride and arrogance are part and parcel of learning this ability. The believers constantly belittle and mock those who are skeptical, like telling them they are close minded, have a learning disability or some other arrogant nonsense.

I don't know about other "believers" but I was responding specifically to poid.

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I'm here to tell people that what they think is "psychic powers" is actually called emotional intelligence.

I find this attitude arrogant. I also didn't tell anyone they had a learning disability. I said that certain conditions signify a learning disability.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985819 - 09/02/09 10:02 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
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Poid said:
I think people who are not willing to critically assess their beliefs, while being adamantly and firmly anchored to them, are the epitome of arrogance.

Pot to kettle.
I have no firmly anchored beliefs. I have passed the phase where I think that going in circles with a skeptic is productive for me.

Call people all the names you want, but the fact remains that you are refraining from critically assessing your own beliefs. :shrug:

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Poid said:
I'm here to tell people that what they think is "psychic powers" is actually called emotional intelligence.

I find this attitude arrogant.

I don't give a shit! :lol:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985876 - 09/02/09 10:14 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
I have no firmly anchored beliefs. I have passed the phase where I think that going in circles with a skeptic is productive for me.

Doesnt having no firmly anchored beliefs make you the skeptic? hmm...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10985948 - 09/02/09 10:27 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:

Call people all the names you want, but the fact remains that you are refraining from critically assessing your own beliefs.

How would you know if I critically access my beliefs?

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DieCommie said:
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Power said:
I have no firmly anchored beliefs. I have passed the phase where I think that going in circles with a skeptic is productive for me.

Doesnt having no firmly anchored beliefs make you the skeptic? hmm...

Hmm... aren't you clever.

The way I see this subject is there are a bunch of people who say there is something freaky going on here. Let's talk about it. Then there is a group of people who say there is nothing freaking going on here you are experiencing "blah, blah, blah".

I don't want to argue with the people who say that nothing freaky is going on. That is what the PSP forum is for. I have already played that out. If other people wish to do that, I don't care. That is not why I came here. I want to talk with people who want to find out what the freaky thing is. That is what this forum is for.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10985962 - 09/02/09 10:30 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Power said:
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Poid said:
Call people all the names you want, but the fact remains that you are refraining from critically assessing your own beliefs.

How would you know if I critically access my beliefs?

Because I am critically assessing your beliefs, and it makes you uncomfortable.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10986035 - 09/02/09 10:43 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Not true. It makes me annoyed because you really don't know what you are talking about. This is a waste of time. I am done with you.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10986076 - 09/02/09 10:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
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Power said:
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Poid said:
Call people all the names you want, but the fact remains that you are refraining from critically assessing your own beliefs.

How would you know if I critically access my beliefs?

Because I am critically assessing your beliefs, and it makes you uncomfortable.

See.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10986087 - 09/02/09 10:53 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Well this topic was back on track for a few posts...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10986111 - 09/02/09 10:58 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

M&P Forum Rules

3) Mocking others beliefs is not allowed. Making posts or threads that mock in a ridiculing manner will not be tolerated. For skeptic vs believer style debates on spiritual issues, visit the Philosophy and Spirituality board.

This forum is intended for those of the open mind. We understand not everything can be explained by science. The more you open yourself up to mystical experiences the more then will enter your life.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#10986151 - 09/02/09 11:04 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I never called myself a "skeptic", I am just here to inform. :shrug:

I've already explained how psychic abilities are pure imagination, and that in reality, self-proclaimed psychics are actually very likely to have high emotional intelligence instead. There is no argument. It's over. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10986253 - 09/02/09 11:19 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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The way I see this subject is there are a bunch of people who say there is something freaky going on here. Let's talk about it. Then there is a group of people who say there is nothing freaking going on here you are experiencing "blah, blah, blah".

I don't want to argue with the people who say that nothing freaky is going on. That is what the PSP forum is for. I have already played that out. If other people wish to do that, I don't care. That is not why I came here. I want to talk with people who want to find out what the freaky thing is. That is what this forum is for.

plain and simple.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10986570 - 09/02/09 12:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Understanding the emotions (and purpose of these emotions) of these biological body suits we wear is incredibly important. My advice is to understand and aim for Ekstasis directly (the emotion of ecstasy).

For telepathy, its important to understand WHY we speak to each other.

The ecstasy compass helps too www.thatwasquick.net.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: staedtler]
#10986723 - 09/02/09 12:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

sorry.. didnt read all of it cause i suddenly noticed something just by looking at the compass..

why is dreaming only able to connect with pain and nightmares ? on the compass ?

am i misunderstanding something ?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10986945 - 09/02/09 01:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Looks to me like pride and arrogance are part and parcel of learning this ability. The believers constantly belittle and mock those who are skeptical, like telling them they are close minded, have a learning disability or some other arrogant nonsense.

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no yes, yes i am. i dunno what makes you think otherwise.

Because you type like a little girl.

common now

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10986956 - 09/02/09 01:30 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I never called myself a "skeptic", I am just here to inform.

I've already explained how psychic abilities are pure imagination, and that in reality, self-proclaimed psychics are actually very likely to have high emotional intelligence instead. There is no argument. It's over.

go explain this to people in philosophy. we do not care about what you think. the point of this forum is not to argue, but like the above quote, to find out what it is. we came here to talk, you obviously came here to argue. please leave.

btw; how arrogant it is of you to say something like you're here to "inform us". do you have any idea how that sounds? like you know something we don't. you haven't been alive for longer than we have. you don't hold the keys to the universe. as far as i can tell you don't even try. i can pretty much guarantee i'm smarter than you, yet you claim to know more than i do about things no one on this planet is sure of. go to your local uni, sfsu i guess, and grab yourself a physics or engineering degree and i'll listen to your POV. but until then any and all of your arguments will fall on my deaf ears. i know it's hard to change your perspective and let a contradicting opinion in, not everyone can. you sure can't, and we feel for you. really it's sad. but you should go now because obviously you got in the way of our discussion.

jimi: are you expedienced?
poid: fuck no i am not.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10986971 - 09/02/09 01:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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the point of this forum is not to argue, but like the above quote, to find out what it is.

So, as opposed to engaging in a philosophical debate, you find out what is via imaginative discourse? :strokebeard:

If you want to find out what is, there's no better way then to debate; it's like wringing a wet towel. :shrug:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10987023 - 09/02/09 01:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

you see thats the problem. you think it can be learned in the human realm.. because thats all you know. you cannot learn this here. and i'm not talking about psychic ability... your issue has roots that go beyond that. if you could imagine...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10987035 - 09/02/09 01:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

but you can't. your imagination CAN NOT take you that far. you can try and try. and you can claim that it will. the only thing that will prove you wrong is experience... not my words.. not any words. quit acting like you know what you're talking about it's annoying.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10987057 - 09/02/09 01:44 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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quit acting like you know what you're talking about it's annoying.

Oh, the irony... :freakybirdthing:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10987249 - 09/02/09 02:15 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

thats all you got? please come at me with a serious rebuttal. you have some serious problems with logic and you claim to know something we don't that you came here to explain to us. talk about irony.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10987258 - 09/02/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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dummy said:
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Poid said:
I never called myself a "skeptic", I am just here to inform.

I've already explained how psychic abilities are pure imagination, and that in reality, self-proclaimed psychics are actually very likely to have high emotional intelligence instead. There is no argument. It's over.

go explain this to people in philosophy. we do not care about what you think. the point of this forum is not to argue, but like the above quote, to find out what it is. we came here to talk, you obviously came here to argue. please leave.

btw; how arrogant it is of you to say something like you're here to "inform us". do you have any idea how that sounds? like you know something we don't. you haven't been alive for longer than we have. you don't hold the keys to the universe. as far as i can tell you don't even try. i can pretty much guarantee i'm smarter than you, yet you claim to know more than i do about things no one on this planet is sure of. go to your local uni, sfsu i guess, and grab yourself a physics or engineering degree and i'll listen to your POV. but until then any and all of your arguments will fall on my deaf ears. i know it's hard to change your perspective and let a contradicting opinion in, not everyone can. you sure can't, and we feel for you. really it's sad. but you should go now because obviously you got in the way of our discussion.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10987487 - 09/02/09 02:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

11 pages ago, I wrote this:

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Poid said:
First thing I'd like to say to all of you is that it's hard even having a discussion when terms haven't been defined, so I am taking for granted that by "psychic powers", we mean telepathy. Telepathy is a hypothetical psychological process in which an individual can literally perceive the perception of another individual in exactly the same way that individual is perceiving things. Obviously, since perception is quite literally a physical mechanism, it is impossible for one to do this; even if your brain perfectly mimicked the processes of another person's brain, it wouldn't be you perceiving the other person's perceptions, but rather, it would be a manifestation of your imagination, just like everything else.

Nobody refuted it. Then, two pages ago, I wrote this:

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Poid said:
No, they're different; some people who have high emotional intelligence like to use their imagination to convince themselves that they have supernatural powers.

From Emotional Initelligence - Wikipedia:
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Emotional Intelligence (EI) describes the ability, capacity, skill or, in the case of the trait EI model, a self-perceived ability, to identify, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, and of groups. Different models have been proposed for the definition of EI and disagreement exists as to how the term should be used. Despite these disagreements, which are often highly technical, the ability EI and trait EI models (but not the mixed models) enjoy support in the literature and have successful applications in different domains.

From Telepathy - Wikipedia:
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Telepathy (Greek τηλε, tele meaning "distant" and πάθεια, patheia meaning "to be affected by",) refers to the transfer of information on thoughts or feelings between individuals by means other than the five classical senses (See Psi). The term was coined in 1882 by the classical scholar Fredric W. H. Myers, a founder of the Society for Psychical Research, specifically to replace the earlier expression thought-transference. A person who is able to make use of telepathy is said to be able to read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others. Telepathy, along with psychokinesis forms the main branches of parapsychological research, and many studies seeking to detect, understand, utilize telepathy have been done within the field.

Telepathy is a common theme in modern fiction and science fiction, with many superheroes and supervillains having telepathic abilities. Such abilities include sensing the thoughts of others.

See, there's a huge difference!

Nobody has refuted, or even addressed any of the shit I have to say, all you people are doing is being butthurt because I disagree with you. :shrug:

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thats all you got? please come at me with a serious rebuttal. you have some serious problems with logic and you claim to know something we don't that you came here to explain to us. talk about irony.

, what the fuck? You think I've made logical fallacies? Please point them out. :whatever:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10987488 - 09/02/09 02:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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jivJaN said:
sorry.. didnt read all of it cause i suddenly noticed something just by looking at the compass..

why is dreaming only able to connect with pain and nightmares ? on the compass ?

am i misunderstanding something ?

Yin and yang. During a dream, part of us is sad because it isn't real. During a nightmare, part of us is happy because it isn't real. During understanding (the aim while asleep), part of us is in ecstasy.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: staedtler]
#10987879 - 09/02/09 03:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

still dont get it...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: jivJaN]
#10987906 - 09/02/09 03:58 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Why don't you guys just stop responding to poids negativity?

Just completely ignore him and we can go back on topic.

Something tells me though that poid isn't the only one who likes to argue endlessly about what is or isn't real and we all enjoy bashing eachothers skulls into the wall.

Lets get back on topic.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10987987 - 09/02/09 04:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poptart said:
Why don't you guys just stop responding to poids negativity?

Just completely ignore him and we can go back on topic.

Something tells me though that poid isn't the only one who likes to argue endlessly about what is or isn't real and we all enjoy bashing eachothers skulls into the wall.

Lets get back on topic.

Agreed.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
#10988153 - 09/02/09 04:39 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

sure poid; you believe in something that cannot be objectively verified(e.i.) yet you're talking shit about our beliefs. so fuck you.

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Poptart said:
Why don't you guys just stop responding to poids negativity?

Just completely ignore him and we can go back on topic.

Something tells me though that poid isn't the only one who likes to argue endlessly about what is or isn't real and we all enjoy bashing eachothers skulls into the wall.

Lets get back on topic.

Agreed.

agreed.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10988225 - 09/02/09 04:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

How credible are the opinions of someone who cannot read and comprehend simple forum rules?

and here's another simple question...

What good are forum rules if no one enforces them?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: zen buddy]
#10988292 - 09/02/09 05:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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How credible are the opinions of someone who cannot read and comprehend simple forum rules?

Good point. :satansmoking:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10988338 - 09/02/09 05:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

i've recently started having dreams again. i haven't had one since the start of the summer because i was getting stoned several times a day but for the fall season i'm going to cut back drastically. they're really amazing. so i'm going to start writing them down and analyzing them, i suppose i'll report back. i'm sure there are other means of doing this though, does anyone have suggestions?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#10988621 - 09/02/09 06:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

If I had the equipment I guarantee you I could produce award winning data...

I experience this on a daily basis, im not saying I know EXACTLY whats happening, but I do know that thought is made and moves through more than what we understand through our current scientific paradigm.

And speaking of "Science," researchers already say they will be able to ready everyone's mind in the next couple of years with the current developing technology (most likely already developed and being used.)

People think there is a difference between the "spiritual" and the "scientific" world. All is one, we are just misunderstanding what IS.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TeamAmerica]
#10988774 - 09/02/09 06:37 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Alot of you mention dream analysis.

I would be interested in hearing how that helps one's psychic abilities.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10988788 - 09/02/09 06:40 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I get messages from spirits in my dreams. That is psychic phenomena.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Power]
#10988924 - 09/02/09 07:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

well i got the idea from the dream book that the shroomery has on pdf. very interesting read, though i haven't finished it. unfortunately... the habit isn't broken and i will be stoned silly shortly, someday i'll over come it though. maybe.

http://www.shroomery.org/9916/Dream-Yoga-And-The-Practice-Of-Natural-Light

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10988972 - 09/02/09 07:21 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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dummy said:
well i got the idea from the dream book that the shroomery has on pdf. very interesting read, though i haven't finished it. unfortunately... the habit isn't broken and i will be stoned silly shortly, someday i'll over come it though. maybe.

http://www.shroomery.org/9916/Dream-Yoga-And-The-Practice-Of-Natural-Light

I am more in tune with my etheric/astral body when I'm stoned so I am more psychic when I'm stoned.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#10989105 - 09/02/09 07:51 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
First thing I'd like to say to all of you is that it's hard even having a discussion when terms haven't been defined, so I am taking for granted that by "psychic powers", we mean telepathy. Telepathy is a hypothetical psychological process in which an individual can literally perceive the perception of another individual in exactly the same way that individual is perceiving things. Obviously, since perception is quite literally a physical mechanism, it is impossible for one to do this; even if your brain perfectly mimicked the processes of another person's brain, it wouldn't be you perceiving the other person's perceptions, but rather, it would be a manifestation of your imagination, just like everything else.

Uhmmm... perception may have a physical correlate (namely, neural activity in the brain) but by definition perception is a mental activity and thus you've offered no persuasive argument as to the impossibility of telepathy. Moreover, telepathy does not necessarily imply perceiving the exact same things as another individual; all it requires is that some information be transmitted between two people through mental powers alone.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#10989160 - 09/02/09 08:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

but i can't dream, or at least don't remember them if i go to bed high

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#10991457 - 09/03/09 08:08 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I bet you smoke pot.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10991547 - 09/03/09 08:33 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poptart said:
Alot of you mention dream analysis.

I would be interested in hearing how that helps one's psychic abilities.

Not quite sure if the actual analysis of dreams correlates to anything psychic in nature. Lucid dreaming is another thing you can do that isn't necessarily psychic, but is interesting nonetheless.

There are meditative techniques called astral projection and dreamwalking which could be perceived as psychic in nature by some. Both are pretty hard to accomplish without meditating and practicing. I've been able to do only one to a very minor degree.

Edited by TheWolf (09/03/09 06:19 PM)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TheWolf]
#10991973 - 09/03/09 10:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I meditate about an hour a day and I used to attempt lucid dreams but I find they come naturally when I am consistantly meditating. The farther I go into myself through meditation the more strange and lucid my dreams get.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#10994260 - 09/03/09 05:53 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Poptart said:
Alot of you mention dream analysis.

I would be interested in hearing how that helps one's psychic abilities.

I don't know if I would say dream analysis necessarily would help, but remembering and remaining conscious of ones dreams definitely can I think.

I don't really believe in dream analysis per se. I think dream analysis is usually way too generalized to be of much benefit. Everyones dream symbolism is different. How can the same image in a dream mean the same exact thing to everyone? It's what that image means to the dreamer themself that is of benefit, I think.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: nicechrisman]
#11118495 - 09/24/09 10:01 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Damn, I thought I will learn something new about psychic ability and how to develop them.. and instead I wasted a good deal of free time today reading same old 3D BS(exception for a few posts, which still did not provide any good data)...

Can anyone here provide me with some links or books which actually support this topic.

And as for objective vs subjective POV on science vs paranormal... check out the Particle wave duality, and/or Double Slit Experiment... because as I look on this matter.. this is the border point...
I brought this up, because I think, this is how psychic ability(this term does not focus only on telepathy) can be explained trough science, on quantum level..

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: deCypher]
#11265354 - 10/17/09 11:20 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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deCypher said:
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Poid said:
First thing I'd like to say to all of you is that it's hard even having a discussion when terms haven't been defined, so I am taking for granted that by "psychic powers", we mean telepathy. Telepathy is a hypothetical psychological process in which an individual can literally perceive the perception of another individual in exactly the same way that individual is perceiving things. Obviously, since perception is quite literally a physical mechanism, it is impossible for one to do this; even if your brain perfectly mimicked the processes of another person's brain, it wouldn't be you perceiving the other person's perceptions, but rather, it would be a manifestation of your imagination, just like everything else.

Uhmmm... perception may have a physical correlate (namely, neural activity in the brain) but by definition perception is a mental activity and thus you've offered no persuasive argument as to the impossibility of telepathy.

Let's define all of the important terms first:

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perception
noun 1. the act or faculty of apprehending by means of the senses or of the mind; cognition; understanding.
2. immediate or intuitive recognition or appreciation, as of moral, psychological, or aesthetic qualities; insight; intuition; discernment: an artist of rare perception.
3. the result or product of perceiving, as distinguished from the act of perceiving; percept.
4. Psychology. a single unified awareness derived from sensory processes while a stimulus is present.
5. Law. the taking into possession of rents, crops, profits, etc.

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physical
–adjective 1. of or pertaining to the body: physical exercise.
2. of or pertaining to that which is material: the physical universe; the physical sciences.
3. noting or pertaining to the properties of matter and energy other than those peculiar to living matter.
4. pertaining to the physical sciences, esp. physics.
5. carnal; sexual: a physical attraction.
6. tending to touch, hug, pat, etc.; physically demonstrative: a physical person.
7. requiring, characterized by, or liking rough physical contact or strenuous physical activity: Football is a physical sport.

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mental
–adjective 1. of or pertaining to the mind: mental powers; mental suffering.
2. of, pertaining to, or affected by a disorder of the mind: a mental patient; mental illness.
3. providing care for persons with disordered minds, emotions, etc.: a mental hospital.
4. performed by or existing in the mind: mental arithmetic; a mental note.
5. pertaining to intellectuals or intellectual activity.
6. Informal. slightly daft; out of one's mind; crazy: He's mental.

–noun 7. Informal. a person with a psychological disorder: a fascist group made up largely of mentals.

Perception, or "mental activity", as you so put it, depends on a living brain to exist.

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Moreover, telepathy does not necessarily imply perceiving the exact same things as another individual; all it requires is that some information be transmitted between two people through mental powers alone.

There are many definitions for the term 'telepathy', but I earlier provided Wikipedia's for a reason, so I'll just put it here again:

From Telepathy - Wikipedia

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Telepathy (Greek ôçëå, tele meaning "distant" and ðÜèåéá, patheia meaning "to be affected by",) is supposed to be the transfer of information on thoughts or feelings between individuals by means other than the five senses (See Psi). The term was coined in 1882 by the classical scholar Fredric W. H. Myers, a founder of the Society for Psychical Research, specifically to replace the earlier expression thought-transference. A person who is able to make use of telepathy is said to be able to read the thoughts and stored information in the brain of others. Telepathy, along with psychokinesis forms the main branches of parapsychological research, and many studies seeking to detect, understand, utilize telepathy have been done within the field.

There is no accepted mechanism by which telepathy can work, and there is no definition which unambiguously distinguishes it from a number of other related concepts such as clairvoyance, so the concept is not accepted by the scientific community.

Telepathy is a common theme in modern fiction and science fiction, with many superheroes and supervillains having telepathic abilities. Such abilities include sensing the thoughts of others.

Since the existence of "mental powers" is dependent on a living brain, it means whatever information is "transmitted between two people" is done via a physical mechanism; can you identify the physical mechanism that operates this "transmission"? :strokebeard:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#11265683 - 10/17/09 12:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, the electromagnetic field emitted by the body, which is an EM-fied composed out of the EM-fields of the cell. This field is intelligent on itsel, it is the intelligence of the cells, the intelligence that does all the repairing in the body and the subconscious calculations, like dreaming, it is the subconscious on itself.

Now, just like the fields of the cells interacts, so do the fields of the human body. Electromagnetic resonance is the physical mechanism you are a looking for.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Diaboleros]
#11265718 - 10/17/09 12:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Electromagnetic fields (and waves) can be easily detected and have been ruled out as a mechanism for psychic ability. :sorry:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Diaboleros]
#11266373 - 10/17/09 02:44 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Yes, the electromagnetic field emitted by the body, which is an EM-fied composed out of the EM-fields of the cell.

From Electromagnetic field - Wikipedia:

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The electromagnetic field is a physical field produced by electrically charged objects. It affects the behavior of charged objects in the vicinity of the field. Light is the electromagnetic field in a certain frequency range. At lower frequencies the electromagnetic field may be radio waves or infrared light, while at higher frequencies it may be UV light or x-rays, among others.

The electromagnetic field extends indefinitely throughout space and describes the electromagnetic interaction. It is one of the four fundamental forces of nature (the others are gravitation, the weak interaction, and the strong interaction). The field propagates by electromagnetic radiation; in order of increasing energy (decreasing wavelength) electromagnetic radiation comprises: radio waves, microwaves, infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, X-rays, and gamma rays.

The field can be viewed as the combination of an electric field and a magnetic field. The electric field is produced by stationary charges, and the magnetic field by moving charges (currents); these two are often described as the sources of the field. The way in which charges and currents interact with the electromagnetic field is described by Maxwell's equations and the Lorentz force law.

From a classical perspective, the electromagnetic field can be regarded as a smooth, continuous field, propagated in a wavelike manner; whereas, from a quantum mechanical perspective, the field is seen as quantised, being composed of individual particles.

What about the "electromagnetic field emmtied by the body"?

You're saying that the "electromagnetic field emitted by the body" is composed of EM-fields (I'm assuming that by 'EM fields', you mean electromagnetic fields) that are "emitted" by each individual living cell?

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This field is intelligent on itsel, it is the intelligence of the cells, the intelligence that does all the repairing in the body and the subconscious calculations, like dreaming, it is the subconscious on itself.

What "field"? How is it intelligent on itself? You're saying that cells are intelligent? Are you equating their ability to emit electromagnetic energy to them possessing intelligence?

I can't really say I completely understand human biology, but I wouldn't say there's any "intelligence" involved in, for instance, the repairing of my broken wrist (I just got my cast off two days ago that I needed for a fractured bone and am currently on a splint and still healing); it's all just a coordination of biochemical reactions! :yesnod:

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Now, just like the fields of the cells interacts, so do the fields of the human body.

Can you describe more in depth specifically how this mechanism operates?

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Diaboleros said:
Electromagnetic resonance...

Is what? :strokebeard:

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Diaboleros said:
is the physical mechanism you are a looking for.

Why would I want to look for "electromagnetic resonance"? Do you think that there's anyway to prove its existence, and even if there is, how could I possibly use it to my advantage?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#11266423 - 10/17/09 02:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

How do you explain the intelligence behind the DNA language?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Diaboleros]
#11266908 - 10/17/09 04:20 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

poid, we don't like you here in m&p.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#11268968 - 10/17/09 10:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

LOL so much pseudoscience on the webs these days. Poid id doing a good job of keeping people grounded and rational.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: ivander]
#11268985 - 10/17/09 10:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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ivander said:
Damn, I thought I will learn something new about psychic ability and how to develop them.. and instead I wasted a good deal of free time today reading same old 3D BS(exception for a few posts, which still did not provide any good data)...

Can anyone here provide me with some links or books which actually support this topic.

And as for objective vs subjective POV on science vs paranormal... check out the Particle wave duality, and/or Double Slit Experiment... because as I look on this matter.. this is the border point...
I brought this up, because I think, this is how psychic ability(this term does not focus only on telepathy) can be explained trough science, on quantum level..

You arn't going to get any books with genuine facts and information in regards to Psychic abilities other then pseudoscience. Makes for a great read and big market out there full of gullible people.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: dummy]
#11269132 - 10/17/09 11:39 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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dummy said:
poid, we don't like you here in m&p.

Thats not true! He is freely expressing and discussing his personal beliefs on spirituality, religion, mysticism and the paranormal. They may be wrong, but this is not a place to criticize and his diversity of thought is a refreshing change from the stagnation that so often happens here.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Jaegar]
#11269987 - 10/18/09 06:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Jaegar said:
You arn't going to get any books with genuine facts and information in regards to Psychic abilities other then pseudoscience. Makes for a great read and big market out there full of gullible people.

From the rational mind, I can say I know that. But hey, this is M&P right? Beside that, I think conventional science is suppressing these ideas, so I did not expect a book that is approved by academy.

Beside that, I dont think quotes from wiki will do any good, in proving any rational point, because it is supported by those same irrational, keep the ability for them selves, individuals. :crazy2:

We live in universe of infinite possibilities. It is only a matter of way how to invoke them.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: DieCommie]
#11271766 - 10/18/09 01:49 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Diaboleros said:
How do you explain the intelligence behind the DNA language?

How do you explain it? :confused:

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poid, we don't like you here in m&p.

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They may be wrong, but this is not a place to criticize...

Believe me, I can take a punch. :smirk:

I don't know whether or not you agree with the ideas I've presented here, but if you think that they may be wrong, it would be nicer to hear how or why you think they may be wrong than to hear that you find my perspective refreshing. :sun:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: TeamAmerica]
#11275325 - 10/19/09 12:00 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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If I had the equipment I guarantee you I could produce award winning data...

I experience this on a daily basis, im not saying I know EXACTLY whats happening, but I do know that thought is made and moves through more than what we understand through our current scientific paradigm.

And speaking of "Science," researchers already say they will be able to ready everyone's mind in the next couple of years with the current developing technology (most likely already developed and being used.)

People think there is a difference between the "spiritual" and the "scientific" world. All is one, we are just misunderstanding what IS.

You are not alone.

Poid, to butter your toast I'm going to call it emotional intelligence.

With everything our senses tell us during a conversation, we can infer emotion, ideas, or thoughts.

With compassion and focus as your ally, one can certainly feel what another feels. This might sound silly to some, but others are going to know exactly what I mean. Such is life!

There are so many natural and wonderful things going on when we communicate!

If your brother or sister is hurting, generally you will feel their pain as well. If you are in a mind state of freedom OR opression(that's what im gonna call it) you have the ability/option to CHANGE this person's feelings.

I'll let you decide which course of action to take.

tips in 'telepathy':

listen to their feelings. If I could make anymore sense linguistically of this it would be "feel their feelings"

positivity helps heaps

so does imagination!

Team america already worded it for me in the end of his quotation.

Edited by mrspirit2 (10/19/09 12:08 AM)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: mrspirit2]
#11275408 - 10/19/09 12:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I love telepathy. It is my preferred method of communication.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Shroomism]
#11275452 - 10/19/09 12:51 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
I love telepathy. It is my preferred method of communication.

I have heard a friend's thoughts while we were ingesting an Ayahuasca analogue. I was throwing up out the window and he was yarfing in the toilet. I was responding to some things that he was saying when he suddenly went quiet...

I asked him what was up as I walked into the bathroom.

He was still over the toilet recovering when he said that he hadn't said any of the previous conversation out loud... :lol:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Mr.Al]
#11275464 - 10/19/09 12:55 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I love when stuff like that happens :lol:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Shroomism]
#11275471 - 10/19/09 12:59 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I love when stuff like that happens

The expression on his face was priceless.

Sometimes I still joke about "stealing his thoughts".

I remember ingesting some syrian rue tea followed by mushrooms and hearing a weird message in my head telling me that I need to "get higher"...

I did not comprehend that message at the time and commenced running up and down the stairs...

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Mr.Al]
#11276022 - 10/19/09 07:15 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I was throwing up out the window and he was yarfing in the toilet.

Male bonding rituals have changed a lot.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: mrspirit2]
#11276358 - 10/19/09 09:09 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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mrspirit2 said:
Poid, to butter your toast I'm going to call it emotional intelligence.

Yup, this is what I said on page 12 of this thread.

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mrspirit2 said:
With everything our senses tell us during a conversation, we can infer emotion, ideas, or thoughts.

Yup.

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mrspirit2 said:
With compassion and focus as your ally, one can certainly feel what another feels.

Not literally; the mirror neuron theory explains this phenomenon quite satisfactorily, IMO.

From Mirror neuron - Wikipedia:

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A mirror neuron is a neuron that fires both when an animal acts and when the animal observes the same action performed by another. Thus, the neuron "mirrors" the behavior of the other, as though the observer were itself acting. Such neurons have been directly observed in primates, and are believed to occur in humans and other species including birds. In humans, brain activity consistent with that of mirror neurons has been found in the premotor cortex and the inferior parietal cortex.

Some scientists consider mirror neurons one of the most important recent discoveries in neuroscience. Among them is V.S. Ramachandran, who believes they might be very important in imitation and language acquisition. However, despite the popularity of this field, to date no widely accepted neural or computational models have been put forward to describe how mirror neuron activity supports cognitive functions such as imitation.

The function of the mirror system is a subject of much speculation. Many researchers in cognitive neuroscience and cognitive psychology consider that this system provides the physiological mechanism for the perception action coupling (see the common coding theory). These mirror neurons may be important for understanding the actions of other people, and for learning new skills by imitation. Some researchers also speculate that mirror systems may simulate observed actions, and thus contribute to theory of mind skills, while others relate mirror neurons to language abilities. It has also been proposed that problems with the mirror system may underlie cognitive disorders, particularly autism. However the connection between mirror neuron dysfunction and autism remains speculative and it is unlikely that mirror neurons are related to many of the important characteristics of autism

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This might sound silly to some, but others are going to know exactly what I mean. Such is life!

Taken literally, it does sound silly to me, personally.

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There are so many natural and wonderful things going on when we communicate!

I suppose. :shrug:

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mrspirit2 said:
If your brother or sister is hurting, generally you will feel their pain as well.

Not necessarily... :strokebeard:

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If you are in a mind state of freedom OR opression(that's what im gonna call it) you have the ability/option to CHANGE this person's feelings.

Individuals are in control of their psychological processes, nobody can literally change another person; the ability to influence another individual's psychological processes, though, is real. :yesnod:

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I'll let you decide which course of action to take.

Ok.

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mrspirit2 said:
tips in 'telepathy':

listen to their feelings. If I could make anymore sense linguistically of this it would be "feel their feelings"

So basically, try your best to guess what other people are feeling? :strokebeard:

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positivity helps heaps

so does imagination!

Team america already worded it for me in the end of his quotation.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poid]
#11280912 - 10/19/09 09:07 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I believe that language was first discovered in dreams. People experience telepathy in dreams and that tells me that it's very possible telepathy exists in waking life or will exist more prominently in waking life in the future.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#11280971 - 10/19/09 09:14 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

but isn't the future now?

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: b0red5tiff]
#11281003 - 10/19/09 09:18 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#11281024 - 10/19/09 09:21 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

i can count to potato

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: b0red5tiff]
#11282085 - 10/20/09 01:27 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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but isn't the future now?

Now is now... Fuck time.

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: Poptart]
#11282090 - 10/20/09 01:29 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

fucking takes time, instant paradoxxx :awesome:

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: b0red5tiff]
#11282104 - 10/20/09 01:36 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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fucking takes time, instant paradoxxx

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Re: You should all develop your psychic ability. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#11282980 - 10/20/09 08:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
I believe that language was first discovered in dreams.

Why do you believe this? :confused:

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EternalCowabunga said:
People experience telepathy in dreams and that tells me that it's very possible telepathy exists in waking life or will exist more prominently in waking life in the future.

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