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I haven't even mentioned housing.  Lack of affordable housing increasing the poverty rate is what I've been talking about.  As for food, I'm talking about a tax credit.  This will free up money at the bottom and create new markets and is ultimately good for a capitalist society.

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A tax credit for people who can't afford food?  People who can't afford food  don't pay taxes.

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Yrat said:
is the "basic human right" of shelter outlined in the Constitution?  if not (and the answer is no) then government has no business to interfere in such.

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Wrong.  Completely and utter ignorance of the law.  There is no excuse for that misinterpretation.

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A tax credit for people who can't afford food?  People who can't afford food  don't pay taxes.

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I mean for people who aren't going to use the public housing.  You use the public housing or get the tax credit.

Same concept for food.  You get however many food credits for free and what you don't use can be used as a tax credit.

Make sense now?

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Ferris said:
I haven't even mentioned housing.  Lack of affordable housing increasing the poverty rate is what I've been talking about.  As for food, I'm talking about a tax credit.  This will free up money at the bottom and create new markets and is ultimately good for a capitalist society.

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I said they get free housing OR a tax credit.  Read what I write for christ's sake.

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It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

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The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt

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What about tax credits for people who don't pay taxes?

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Ignoring / Ignored By 0 member(s) / 10 member(s)

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If we replaced

Social Security
680 Billion

Income Security
520 Billion

Veterans Benefits and Services
95 Billion

and shaved off 25% of the the following budgets (health comes from reduced costs).

Defense
175 Billion

Medicare
110 Billion

Health
90 Billion

and a few other reduced costs, we get 1.7-1.8 billion dollars.  By my calculations, it would take about 2-3 trillion to feed and house every American on the cheap (or to give them the equivalent tax credit).  Assuming that not everyone will utilize it, that reduces that cost to closer to 2 trillion.  Assuming that this spending will increase GDP, this would fill the gap between the costs of the program and the funding sources I outlined above.  Of course, new taxes are an option too.

We could argue about socialism and which is more free, to pay taxes or to have basic necessities.  But I just want to point out that it's possible.

The costs are very flexible of course.  I didn't go too in depth into calculations there for that reason.

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I, as a human being, have the right to attempt to peacefully acquire shelter. If I fail in that attempt, this doesn't mean other humans must provide it to me. Pointing out this obvious truth is not trolling.

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