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 MrGreen
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I actually don't think, this is possible even when I was young I smoked good weed. When I was hmmm let me think, 13 or so I smoke a lot of weed one night with this one kid he was 15 or so at the time. It was white rhino and I'll never forget it till the day I die. It was about of quarter of good weed white rhino is not as potent but close to white widow.
To this day I'm not exactly sure if it was laced or not, and if it was I haven't done the drug it was laced with to this day. But, I don't believe that to be the case.
It was such a large quantity of weed, and good weed at the time I was quite young and hadn't smoked much.
I think that I would of had an ego death at that time, if it were possible. I've been quite high, many times of exceptional weeds that I would love to have again.
To my knowledge and my experience in weed, which is quite good. I don't think it's possible.
That's just coming from someone who has experienced weed a lot.
Perhaps, the hydrocodone inside of the vicodin and the adderal may have caused this.
amphetamines tend to give people an over godly view of themselves. Amphetamines open up dopamine receptors in the brain, dopamines are what make you feel good.
Hydrocodone is a downer and can make you mildly depressed in that fuck everything kind of way.
So perhaps, the hydrocodone + the amphetamine, could have cause that this would be the perfect demise kind of feeling.
It would also explain the constant talking, I think there may have been more amphetamine than Vicodin, correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing is that you mixed an upper with a downer kind of high, that can fuck with emotions quite a bit also.
Just something to think about.
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 Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: MrGreen]
#10280818 - 05/03/09 08:35 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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oral consumption of large amounts of marijuana can indeed cause ego death-type experiences...IME
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: Calix]
#10303972 - 05/07/09 05:25 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Psychedelics are a short cut to experiencing enlightenment.
I use to think enlightenment meant some sort of permanent change in the brain on how your ego relates to the universe. And it is, if it is done naturally.
Ego loss can show you exactly what its like to be enlightened, but it's just temporary.
If you showed a caveman the inside of a computer and said "see go back and build it now" theres no hope for that. They have no other technological experiences to understand it from or to build it.
That seems to be the great deception of psychedelics (at least for a lot of people in the 60's when it was more mainstream) that it could somehow instantly transform your life. In some ways it deffinetly can, but it's not permanent and most people will forget what they learned from it. I mean this in regards to actual enlightenment, I think they can teach you to have more empathy and to see beyond the surface as most of you will agree.
What the OP experienced doesn't really sound like ego death, it's not a literal dead feeling or a blacked out feeling. It's more of reidentification of yourself. You realize that this ego, the idea that you are locked inside your body which you have believed to be the real You is in fact not you. And what you are is whole works, there's a tremendous interconnected feeling where you can say I am you and you are me. There's no mystical knowledge to gain from it, no secret to the universe, you realize all there is, is now.
But this explanation isn't completely what it is and isn't. It's a hard thing to talk about because it doesn't seem to be very knowledge based.
Edited by Simulacra541 (05/07/09 05:32 PM)
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I am surprised no one has made any attempt to perhaps differentiate between the varieties in egolessness (made up word) and ego death.
It sounds as though the OP simply tweaked and flipped out along with everyone else. The "energy" of the group progressively became more and more panic-oriented. People affect each other, and then things burst.
One can feel as though they are without ego, but not have it forced from them.
Many psychedelic experiences are this way: they creep as a buzz, and then throw your psyche into the unknown. This seems more prominent in those that have had either little or no experience with psychedelics, or simply using large doses (7+ grams shrooms, 6+ tabs acid, etc). The "tearing" away of the sense of self, almost as if unbidden, abrupt and perhaps even violently, is what most would describe as being the classic egodeath.
I have yet to experience this with cannabis. I tried to by taking 1/2 ounce all at once by using cannaoil; however, even at this point, I was unable to experience the same egodeath as with psychedelics. I didn't truly have a sense of self eventually due to the sheer magnitude in which the cannabis had taken hold of me, but this egolessness was more by the fact that I was mesmerized by the flowing, spectacular display within my closed eyes or creative mind's eye.
It was the most powerful experience I have ever had with cannabis, and I do treasure the event as it was the one and only time that I can say that cannabis displayed something truly magical to me, but I would never go so far as to say that cannabis can grant/force the same sort of egodeath or egolessness as that of mushrooms or any other psychedelic.
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: Snorlax]
#10304388 - 05/07/09 06:34 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Snorlax said:
I am surprised no one has made any attempt to perhaps differentiate between the varieties in egolessness (made up word) and ego death.
It sounds as though the OP simply tweaked and flipped out along with everyone else. The "energy" of the group progressively became more and more panic-oriented. People affect each other, and then things burst.
I don't think trying to distinguish between the different "egolessness" experiences is worth the effort or possible. For all of human civilization people have had these experiences with or without the use of psychoactive compounds. Religion in some ways is an attempt to explain these. There's too many different subtle variations. It's just something that has to be experienced, how do you explain to someone what red looks like?
We live in a world of words and abstractions that is separated from reality. The most that can be said about these experiences is they destroy this representational world and allow you to experience things as they simply are. We all have experienced 'egolessness' before, when we were babies. It's called the oceanic feeling by scientists. Wasn't it William Blake who said these visions were experiences to be had by Children and Saints?
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Quote:
boletusoftruth said:
Uhhhhh
A- Not ego death
B- You were high as fuck
C- Learn to handle your droogz
lets go with B bob
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Ive never had persay "ego death" on bud but ive had like times i ripped a good bong hit and felt like i was going to pass out. Ive only had ego death on shrooms. and not gonna lie i didnt like it much.
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I wish scientists would do more research on the effects of marijuana because a lot of shit is still so unknown about how THC and cannabinoids affect humans.
I do not think that "ego-death" can be achieved from marijuana in its classical psychedelic sense, but marijuana for some people including me seems to bring on a sort of dissociation, mental cloudiness, and sometimes physical discomfort. I believe that when some people smoke too much with a low tolerance they can experience such a mental confusion along with some physical discomfort and a rapid heart rate and it is very easy for some to think they are dying.
You gotta know your body, mind, and chemicals. Its seems that most of the members of the shroomery know and respect their mind and body. While others either don't or are still learning about their own bodies.
Respect weed, unless your confident that you can handle your shit. I know that i could not handle smoking even like .5 gram of some decent shit right now because my tolerance is just too low. Like what the fuck do people expect from smoking grams of good weed or taking good eddibles?
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You wanted to kill yourselves? Thats not very clever.
That just sounds like you were really fucked up to me.
This could easily have been the kinda thing you read in the newspaper, under a title like: DRUG-CRAZED TEENS DIE IN BIZARRE CAR CRASH.
And you would read it and think to yourself: poor, poor kids, if only they were responsible with their drug use.
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I've experienced ego death/loss of ego on several occasions with dxm. Seems like such a juvenile way to go about it now, not to mention that one reason I quit was because all it did was make me fall asleep after years of abuse. Nasty stuff but all I could find for tripping/introspect purposes. As for weed...never had anything near the same though it always seemed to make me physically sick (allergic?). I did have an interesting hallucination the first time I smoked though. I'm of the mind that while ego death from pot is very possible, it is highly improbable that anyone will experience it.
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: ubuntuyou]
#10896875 - 08/20/09 10:22 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol this is funny.. dude what were you doing driving acting all gay from your weed high.. running around in the snow and blacking out.. You sir are the guy who kills mini van familys..
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smokescreen
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I've had experiences similar to ego death especially back when I was younger and weed seemed "new" Looking back on it though, I had just smoked too much. It happens now that I don't smoke often. I'ts been abuot 3 weeks since I last smoked, and 3 or 4 bong rips of some good bud would put me there. Seriously though nothing like an ego death on lsd or shrooms
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