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Self healing lid TEK * 12
    #10628004 - 07/06/09 02:55 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Haven't been around for a while, and not sure if this has been posted, so here is how I make my lids.

For starters, you will need to get some silicone.  I prefer to use the common RTV silicone, as it is meant for high heat.  You can get it right at Wal-Mart for around $4 or so.



Next, I cut little squares of tyvek for our filter.



For the actual lid, I make two holes using a 1/4 drill bit.  One in the middle for the filter, and one on the edge for your injections.



I start by making a square bead of silicone around our filter hole.



Next, I apply the small square piece of tyvek on top of the bead, and I use a utensil to push it down.  I prefer to use a plastic spoon.  I use the butt end of the spoon to press the sides and edges all flush to the lid, and the actual top of the spoon to smear the silicone around the tyvek to create a good seal.



Next of course I apply a thick spot of silicone over our injection hole.



I do this with all of my lids, and after each one I set it back on top of the jar to let them dry until I am done doing the bottom side of all lids.



Finally, I cover the top of our injection hole with another splat of silicone and allow to dry.



Shea25 posted what you would do for a PF style lid as well.  With these types of lids for PF Tek, you would not need a dry verm layer!



I have had tons of grief with people assuming I suggest Tyvek over SFD's.  Please know I HIGHLY suggest SFD's.  However not everyone wants to invest in them.  This is a nice, easy, and readily accessible alternative, which is why I did the tek with tyvek.  If you have SFD's, USE THEM!

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric] * 1
    #10628026 - 07/06/09 03:01 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Nice ill have to try that.

Did you get the tyvek from that envelope or is it just accidentally in the picture?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: JustChill]
    #10628042 - 07/06/09 03:06 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, that envelope is made up of tyvek, so no accident there =)


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #10628049 - 07/06/09 03:08 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Dude thats a lot of LC are you going to take over the world? Nice advice and a good tek. Do you not like polyfil? Or is tyvek just cheaper?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #10628073 - 07/06/09 03:14 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Its been done...  Still pretty spiffy lookin' though..:thumbup:


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: GadgetGuy]
    #10628075 - 07/06/09 03:14 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude thats a lot of LC are you going to take over the world? Nice advice and a good tek. Do you not like polyfil? Or is tyvek just cheaper?




I have just always used tyvek on my lids.

No, I won't be using them all for LC.  Some, of course.  However I like having the injection port because it also make inoculating much easier.

I could always use polyfil, but I don't feel like having to mess with it and stuff my lids every few weeks, cover with foil and all that mess.  With these, I can just screw them on, PC, and shoot them up.


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Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
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Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #10628097 - 07/06/09 03:20 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Why not use micropore tape to secure the tyvek?  RTV seems a little overkill to do that.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: vinnyvapor]
    #10628123 - 07/06/09 03:29 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Why not use micropore tape to secure the tyvek?  RTV seems a little overkill to do that.




Matter of preference to be honest.  One could easily just use a square of tyvek covered with the micropore tape.

I just don't like throwing tape over a hole that is designed for air exchange.  Yes, micropore tape is breathable, however so is the tyvek and that is what is is there for.  Doubling up on it is going to restrict more air flow, slowing down gas exchange, which will end up slowing down colonization.  Could make up for that with a bigger hole, however, I do not have a bigger drill bit on hand!


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Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

My final Grow!


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: wasting_space]
    #10628132 - 07/06/09 03:31 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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wasting_space said:
Its been done...  Still pretty spiffy lookin' though..:thumbup:




Oh I know these have been done and made, what I meant was that I wasn't sure if there was an actual post/tek posted, along with step by step pictures as well.  I had to make some lids tonight so figured I'd snap a few pictures and make a little post =)


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Fast, easy, fool proof inoculation
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

My final Grow!


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #10628253 - 07/06/09 04:17 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

How long does the tyvek last doing this? Wouldn't using sythetic filters be a better option, seeing as how they last literally thousands of times before changing?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: pickboy87]
    #10628259 - 07/06/09 04:21 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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How long does the tyvek last doing this? Wouldn't using sythetic filters be a better option, seeing as how they last literally thousands of times before changing?





If you have synthetic filters on hand, yes I would definitely use them.  I however do not, so tyvek suits me fine.

As for the durability of the tyvek, I haven't grown in years and these are not for me, so I do not remember exactly how many beatings they lasted through.  These are for a friend who wants to start growing, so figured I would lend him a hand and use what I had laying around.

Same idea applies with the filter disc if you have them!


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Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

My final Grow!


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #10628369 - 07/06/09 05:22 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Fair enough.  Good luck with your future projects.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: pickboy87]
    #10628738 - 07/06/09 09:35 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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How long does the tyvek last doing this? Wouldn't using sythetic filters be a better option, seeing as how they last literally thousands of times before changing?




Seems to last longer than polyfil, from what I can see. :shrug:
Not as long as synthetic filter disks, but way cheaper.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Doc_T]
    #10628747 - 07/06/09 09:39 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

As a nube I'm a little confused. Does one inject the spores through the rtv sealant into the lc? Does one also draw off the liquid mycelium through the silicone port? How can you put a needle through the silicone without it clogging the hole of the needle in the syringe?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: FNFAL]
    #10628756 - 07/06/09 09:43 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I would not put the tyvek on the ones for LC, there is no need for FAE or any air exchange for an LC.

FNFAL, Yes you inject and suck the LC out through the silicon port. The needle glides easily through it and it does not clog the needle.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #10628761 - 07/06/09 09:46 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Sweet.... easy and cheap.
Thanks for sharing this tek.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Cyber]
    #10628762 - 07/06/09 09:46 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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The needle glides easily through it and it does not clog the needle.




It's sort of magical, I guess. But it works.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Citric]
    #10629137 - 07/06/09 12:01 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm. Most teks I've seen for inoculating substrate call for placing the lid rubber side up. It looks like you use the seal. When you're done do you drape foil over the top or anything?

Seems like a great approach to minimizing contamination.  I saw in one tek the use of a needle "condom", which was just a piece of foam soaked in alcohol which compressed as the needle was inserted.

With all this, it seems likely that you could get away with working in free air.


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: myceleus_rex]
    #10629797 - 07/06/09 02:08 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I would not put the tyvek on the ones for LC, there is no need for FAE or any air exchange for an LC.

FNFAL, Yes you inject and suck the LC out through the silicon port. The needle glides easily through it and it does not clog the needle.




Well, I do not make "LC" so to speak.  I use another method which I will be posting a TEK on sometime soon here as well.


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Hmm. Most teks I've seen for inoculating substrate call for placing the lid rubber side up. It looks like you use the seal. When you're done do you drape foil over the top or anything?

Seems like a great approach to minimizing contamination.  I saw in one tek the use of a needle "condom", which was just a piece of foam soaked in alcohol which compressed as the needle was inserted.

With all this, it seems likely that you could get away with working in free air.




I do all of my work in free air, without a face mask or anything.  I have never used a glove box.  When these get shot up, I will post how I inoculate my jars.  It is very simple, easy, and fast.  I can do all of my jars in roughly 5 minutes, and I usually do a good number of jars.


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Self Healing lid tek
Fast, easy, fool proof inoculation
Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest
Cup O' Shrooms
Magash:  I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers :whack:
Hyphae:  Yes  "Loss of moisture from the substrate"  is not a casing trigger.  :cuckoo:

My final Grow!


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Cyber]
    #10630811 - 07/06/09 05:06 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Cyber said:

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I would not put the tyvek on the ones for LC, there is no need for FAE or any air exchange for an LC.




Maybe not, but without some way of letting air in, I think you would be vacuum canning, which might cause complications while inoculating :wink: and may not provide an ideal environment for myceleal growth.

OTOH, I'd think just a small nail hole with some micro tape would be adequate for LC.


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