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 Innoculus
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 Re: I found god and burnt it  [Re: Ima Trooper]
#10623493 - 07/05/09 04:18 AM (4 months, 15 days ago) |
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Ima Trooper said:
Its not that people didn't think of burning shells "back when they were used for money" they just instinctively knew it was a stupid idea. They couldn't AFFORD to burn their last dollar/shell/coin/rock because they didn't have the comfort of knowing in the back of their minds that if worst came to worst, the government would give them food stamps, or that the tribe would take care of them.
All you people who advocate the destruction of money need to wake the fuck up.
How do you have internet for soapboxing? A computer? Electricity to power your internet and computer?
Money paid for it.
Any particular reason why you aren't hunched over in agony, dying from hunger or thirst?
Because you BOUGHT food, or if you still live with your and daddy, THEY bought your food.
Want to know why you still have a road to drive on so that you can drive/ride your bike to the store to BUY said food? Because people WORK, and pay TAXES for the upkeep of the roads.
Think about what you're saying. If money is really that bad, don't burn a dollar like a pussy. Give up your computer, internet, roads, food, water, clothes, toothpaste, shoes, house, car/bike, washcothes, soap, dishes, chairs, tables, bongs, rolling papers, etc fucking ETC!
Because guess what all that was bought with?
MONEY.
If you truly believe what you say, then none of us will ever see you on these boards again, because you will have obeyed your moral code and given up money. Not that anyone WANTS that, I'm just sayin'....
I think I'm going to rate you now. 
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Finally, is my escape from this upside down hell,
Stemming from my desire not to do, but to dwell.
To prove that my potential exceeds what I've wrought,
I must seek endlessly more than what I have got.
To have conquered this hell, I conquered my existence.
Conquering the ego, and it's cyclic persistence.
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KroniclyHigh
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: jingus]
#10623790 - 07/05/09 08:30 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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No im not saying my veiw is the only proper way im just saying it's the way i believe should be followed cause its so kewl (sorry ill start typin like an adult however the fuck you do that) money is NOT needed you seem to think money is a complete nessecity to life or something, money is nothing more then debt, some fancy peice of paper that so utterly and completley controls your choices and decisions in life,and yeah however much i complain about it im forced to use so yes it's what got me the computer im typing on right now and the clothe's on my back but i really dont have a choice it's my opinion on the matter against a system that has worked quite horribly for the past 2000 years and has become the norm for anyone on this planet so quit saying something that you know ppl who hate money cant do fuck all against its like telling someone who has aids to go find the cure on his own
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 Ima Trooper
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KroniclyHigh said:
No im not saying my veiw is the only proper way im just saying it's the way i believe should be followed cause its so kewl (sorry ill start typin like an adult however the fuck you do that) money is NOT needed you seem to think money is a complete nessecity to life or something
It is.
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KroniclyHigh said: money is nothing more then debt,
How do you figure "money is debt"? I'd say more like OWING money is debt. I have no clue what you're trying to prove here. That without money, there would be no debt? Bullshit because then I'd just owe my neighbor 2 chickens and a sack of flour instead of $50.
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KroniclyHigh said: some fancy peice of paper that so utterly and completley controls your choices and decisions in life,
Are you even listening? I already said I know I don't NEED that stuff. I just want it. Thats my choice, I'm not FORCED to buy cool shit.
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KroniclyHigh said:and yeah however much i complain about it im forced to use so yes it's what got me the computer im typing on right now and the clothe's on my back but i really dont have a choice
Explain to me exactly how it is that you don't have a choice? Sounds like YOU'RE the one being controlled by money here, not anyone else.
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KroniclyHigh said: it's my opinion on the matter against a system that has worked quite horribly for the past 2000 years and has become the norm for anyone on this planet
Do you have a better idea than money for the exchanging of services and products? Something other than "money"? Seriously. I want to know a better system for everyone to trade things on a fair basis. What if I want a sandwich, but all I have is a plow and oxen. How do I make change? Do I just plow say, two rows for the guy with the sandwich?
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KroniclyHigh said: so quit saying something that you know ppl who hate money cant do fuck all against its like telling someone who has aids to go find the cure on his own
 Are you SERIOUSLY comparing having money to having AIDS? Do I need to point out exactly how fucking different they are? It seems I do.
1. One is a DISEASE. That you CAN'T GET RID OF.
2. One is a PIECE OF PAPER. That you CAN BURN. Or spend. Or misplace. Or give away. Or decide not to get in the first fucking place.
Seriously. Either give away all your money for the rest of your life and live like a bum on the streets begging for only food and water, or STFU. Quit bitching about how money is so EVIL over the internet you PAID FOR on your laptop you PAID FOR in your climate controlled house that had to be PAID FOR.
Quit bitching, or give up everything money paid for.
Your choice.
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KroniclyHigh
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my god fuck it i give up your superior intellect wins as for a diffrent system just look up the venus project i dont feel like tryin to explain it to any of you but ill copy and paste it to save you sum time and yes i did compare money to aids which there is a cure we just havent found it yet
A Resource-Based Economy is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival.
Modern society has access to highly advanced technology and can make available food, clothing, housing and medical care; update our educational system; and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy. By supplying an efficiently designed economy, everyone can enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities of a high technological society.
A resource-based economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, physical equipment, industrial plants, etc. to enhance the lives of the total population. In an economy based on resources rather than money, we could easily produce all of the necessities of life and provide a high standard of living for all.
Consider the following examples: At the beginning of World War II the US had a mere 600 or so first-class fighting aircraft. We rapidly overcame this short supply by turning out more than 90,000 planes a year. The question at the start of World War II was: Do we have enough funds to produce the required implements of war? The answer was No, we did not have enough money, nor did we have enough gold; but we did have more than enough resources. It was the available resources that enabled the US to achieve the high production and efficiency required to win the war. Unfortunately this is only considered in times of war.
oh and by the way money is just debt hard to understand yes but if all the debt in the world was paid off there would not be a single penny in circulation so therefore money is debt i dont wanna go into all the detail about how it is though
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: Ima Trooper]
#10624381 - 07/05/09 11:42 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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K Foundation Burn a Million Quid was an action that took place on 23 August 1994, in which the K Foundation (an art duo consisting of Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty) burned one million pounds sterling in cash on the Scottish island of Jura. This money represented the bulk of the K Foundation's funds, earned by Drummond and Cauty as The KLF, one of the United Kingdom's most successful pop groups of the early 1990s. The duo have never fully explained their motivations for the burning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation_Burn_a_Million_Quid
OP needs to aspire to this level.
Jesus H. Christ. Have you noticed its the people who don't really have to worry about food and water and the necessities of life who do stupid shit like this?
theyre prolly on the couch of the apartment they all share right now like "shit wtf were we thinking. that or they took a nice chunk from that amount before they burned the rest. but this was in 94, so itd probably have to be a big chunk to last til now.
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Ima Trooper
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So everyones going to share. THATS the big idea. Look, I respect your idea on a purely hypothetical basis, but as for practicality, everyone sharing everything equally will never work. You have to take into account HUMAN NATURE.
Money isn't the problem here. Human nature is the problem. And 'human nature' is pretty much unchangable.
Which is how the current system works.
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KroniclyHigh
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: Ima Trooper]
#10624400 - 07/05/09 11:47 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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human nature is not unchangable it's the way we are currently taught and the fact that we are bombarded with advertisments almost every waking second of every day that causes people to want so bad as to do completely illogical things such as murder for a bit of paper with picture's on it the simple fact is that the people currently in power would never ever want you to think there is another way so they do a very good job of portraying money as a nessecity such as water now for this to happen the way we are taught in school needs to drastically change for this to occur so does the amount of t.v every one watche's and no this wont happen within my our currently anyone's lifetime and the human race may take hundred's of year's to get out of the monetary system but im positive it will happen eventually
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Ima Trooper
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Maybe, maybe not. Personally I doubt it. What I think will happen is everything will go to electronic currency. No cash of any kind. I tried to pay my phone bill a few days ago, and all I had was cash. They didn't have a "cash machine" at the phone place. So they literally could not take my cash payment. I told the guy behind the counter that it was a sad state of affairs when CASH was not an acceptable form of payment.
Also, you realize that people aren't getting murdered over 'a piece of paper', right? They are getting murdered over the amount of products, services, or security that paper can be redeemed for.
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KroniclyHigh
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: Ima Trooper]
#10624437 - 07/05/09 11:58 AM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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hahahaha, but do you have any idea what the long term goal is for everything being exchanged electronically, the goverment is plannin on puttin RFID chips in everyone eventually on the basis of homeland security and ease of use and transactions when really its gonna be used so that anyone who tries to fight the system or run from the popo gets there chip shut off so they cannot buy food pay rent buy water they simply wont exist anymore if you dont think this is fo real hers a link they already putting them in babies under the basis of assest protection and medical identification http://www.verichipcorp.com/
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Ima Trooper
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Yeah I have to admit, that scares the shit out of me. Yet another reason why people shouldn't be burning their cash!
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It was the available resources that enabled the US to achieve the high production and efficiency required to win the war. Unfortunately this is only considered in times of war.
There were still people doing the work to achieve the high production, which you seem to have left out completely.
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Modern society has access to highly advanced technology and can make available food, clothing, housing and medical care; update our educational system; and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy. By supplying an efficiently designed economy, everyone can enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities of a high technological society.
Maybe in a perfect world, but someone has to do the job... and the person doing the job is going to feel entitled to more of the resources. (Just like a person with a high ranking job earns more money in society)
This seems to be a "in a perfect world" type thing, but in reality that would not work. At least if you have to provide for yourself (i.e. earn money) it gets people off their lazy asses and makes them go to work.
In the end there's always going to be some lazy bastards not pulling there share (happens today with people abusing welfare and whatnot I know)... but this whole idea just seems like it's forgetting to factor in the human into the equation. I don't think it would work...
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KroniclyHigh
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you gotta understand its a plan for the future like 200 400 years in the future in that amount of time it doesnt seem so far fetched that our society would evolve past the need for money and that people would realize that they are not working for free and not recieving there fair share but they are doing there fair share for mankind and getting full returns not like the slave every worker is right now you think your working for good money in actuallity you get the scrap's from the table's of the elite multi billionairs, and what is wrong with having a perfect world why do we have to settle for this piece of shit system that we have now i dont get your logic in that wouldnt a perfect world be the ultimate goal for society in the long run, not something you just dream about but are to lazy to do anything about
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Innoculus
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Let's not preach communism, now.
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Finally, is my escape from this upside down hell,
Stemming from my desire not to do, but to dwell.
To prove that my potential exceeds what I've wrought,
I must seek endlessly more than what I have got.
To have conquered this hell, I conquered my existence.
Conquering the ego, and it's cyclic persistence.
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: Innoculus]
#10626861 - 07/05/09 08:38 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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Money buys me drugs
Money buys me food
Money buys me necessities in order to survive
Money, in essence, buys me contentness.
Thank you, money.
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: Innoculus]
#10626893 - 07/05/09 08:43 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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I support communism, if only there weren't so many lazy fucks in the world it would work great, but there are so it won't.
since that trip its all been down hill for me, that as the longest roughest ride in my life and it made me realize how much life sucks and how much I don't want to be a part of it.
My head is so twisted with conflicting thoughts I just want out. I haven't wanted to leave my bed since I got to it. for the most part since that trip I've completely lost whatever part of me that made me want to do anything. I haven't felt like talking to anyone let alone posting, I've seen lots of good point towards both sides of money being evil. I'm surprised that my burnt dollar has brought up so much chat.
I'm going back to sleep, I'm so tired and spent, Ive never had a trip that took so much out of me
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I'm gone. Best believe I'm leavin'
Packing my belongings then it's off into the evening
I'm diggin' a tunnel to where the sun will never shine
I got my book, I got my dream, I've got myself and I'll be fine
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"Money buys me drugs
Money buys me food
Money buys me necessities in order to survive
Money, in essence, buys me contentness.
Thank you, money."
Point has officially been proven. this^ is what money does to us, to our minds. Anyone defending money: THINK
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Innoculus
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Escaping the system is quite pointless. In enough given time, you'd be tired of it, and want to come back. Perhaps with a refreshed attitude, but... you don't need to shun everyone else for that.
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Finally, is my escape from this upside down hell,
Stemming from my desire not to do, but to dwell.
To prove that my potential exceeds what I've wrought,
I must seek endlessly more than what I have got.
To have conquered this hell, I conquered my existence.
Conquering the ego, and it's cyclic persistence.
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deCypher
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: OutThisLife]
#10627085 - 07/05/09 09:25 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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OutThisLife said:
Money buys me drugs
Money buys me food
Money buys me necessities in order to survive
Money, in essence, buys me contentness.
Thank you, money.
Amen. Fuck the barter system.
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KroniclyHigh
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Re: I found god and burnt it [Re: deCypher]
#10627107 - 07/05/09 09:31 PM (4 months, 14 days ago) |
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deCypher said:
Amen. Fuck the barter system.
the monetary system is basically a barter system there's just the in the middle bill's and coin that make it so you dont have to do a staright across trade to get what you want
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deCypher
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That's exactly what makes it superior.
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