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 LucidSid
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 Begginers Mushroom Bible 
#10592239 - 06/29/09 11:41 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I found this really helpful, hope some fello newbs benifit from it too.
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 prismism
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: LucidSid]
#10592679 - 06/29/09 01:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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that video is well known for being outdated and having bogus information.
incubating is dated..and the temp they tell you for colonizing is way to hot.
plus the terrariums they want you to get are crap..(just a fish tank with 2 inches of perlite)
its no wonder that the cakes they grow in that video perform shitty.
watch RRs videos. they are better.
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible *DELETED* [Re: prismism]
#10592701 - 06/29/09 01:18 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psuper
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That's only a few minutes of that outdated video. I think it is helpful for new cultivators to watch, but NOT something to be taking notes off of. It's been posted here many times. ~Pixie~
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: prismism]
#10593182 - 06/29/09 03:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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prismism said:
incubating is dated...
I didn't watch the vid, but how is incubation dated? If you're closet is a cool 70F, it definitely speeds up colonization if you put it near some warmth... what's dated about that?
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incubating as in stowing them away in a trash bag and/or box in complete darkness and warm conditions.
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: prismism]
#10593305 - 06/29/09 03:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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prismism said:
incubating as in stowing them away in a trash bag and/or box in complete darkness and warm conditions.
uh, yeah, that sort of replicates the natural cycle of mushroom development. I still don't see how this is outdated.
What do you do with your jars while they colonize, leave them on your desk?
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
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prismism said:
incubating as in stowing them away in a trash bag and/or box in complete darkness and warm conditions.
uh, yeah, that sort of replicates the natural cycle of mushroom development. I still don't see how this is outdated.
What do you do with your jars while they colonize, leave them on your desk?
If you want. Or on an open shelf somewhere. We're not replicating the natural cycle of mushroom development here. We're cultivating, which produces far better results.
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prismism
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yes out on your desk is great.
i see much better results after leaving them out with a light cycle.
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: freespeech]
#10593404 - 06/29/09 04:02 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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freespeech said:
If you want. Or on an open shelf somewhere. We're not replicating the natural cycle of mushroom development here. We're cultivating, which produces far better results.
Yeah, but cultivation requires that you replicate conditions favorable to the organisms growth. Thus, I prefer to use the light/CO2/humidity parameters which it finds favorable. Light triggers pinning, and I use light exposure deliberately in my pinning strategy. Do I stress out if my jars aren't in complete pitch black? No.
Will your jar colonize on an open shelf? Of course, you might get an invitro pin or two if you're not careful but whatev. Quite frankly, it's smarter to put your shit away discreetly anyways.
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What do you do with your jars while they colonize, leave them on your desk?
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: AlexP]
#10593584 - 06/29/09 04:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bumb!
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: Elderlyone]
#10593682 - 06/29/09 05:00 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Elderlyone said:
Bumb!
no.
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P. Cubensis Bulk Substrate:
Coco-Coir (and/or local Horse Manure), Vermiculite, Gypsum (calcium sulfate), Composted Chicken Manure (3%-5%).
Visit the Growery.Org, Here's a thread by myself about water-hash bags and hashish filtration:
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/489978
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
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freespeech said:
If you want. Or on an open shelf somewhere. We're not replicating the natural cycle of mushroom development here. We're cultivating, which produces far better results.
Yeah, but cultivation requires that you replicate conditions favorable to the organisms growth. Thus, I prefer to use the light/CO2/humidity parameters which it finds favorable. Light triggers pinning, and I use light exposure deliberately in my pinning strategy. Do I stress out if my jars aren't in complete pitch black? No.
Will your jar colonize on an open shelf? Of course, you might get an invitro pin or two if you're not careful but whatev. Quite frankly, it's smarter to put your shit away discreetly anyways.
You can keep your jars in the dark while they colonize, but it doesn't help anything.
Pins RARELY form before full colonization and when they do, what's the harm, really? It just means the jar is viable. Shrooms grown invitro are still edible.
N00bs can learn more if they watch their jars/bags colonize, plus it can be fun.
If you want to be discrete, be discrete. But things like incubation and keeping your jars in the dark are extra steps that aren't needed... and extra steps give you more chances to fuck up.
There's a lot of old info out there... and people still believe it... but if you don't need to do it, why bother?
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: Cervantes]
#10593790 - 06/29/09 05:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: CH HELL]
#10593996 - 06/29/09 06:08 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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God I love that thread.
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: Cervantes]
#10594368 - 06/29/09 07:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Pins RARELY form before full colonization and when they do, what's the harm, really?
OK I'll give one example and it is for those who are growing out spawn. When growing out spawn you do not want light you do not want premature pinning if you are colonizing bulk grains for use with casing layers or to spawn to poo or straw or both you do not want light. Why? The answer is simple you want the mycelium to stay in it's vegetative state this is where it grows out linearly if triggered to fruit linear growth slows and stops as it transitions to a generative state. I bring this up because I hear so many here since I've been gone saying light is OK or even beneficial during colonization and in many instances this is not true. The only time I see it beneficial is with the PFTek that is if your not going to DE and/or roll then it will slow things down a bit. We as experienced growers want to take advantage of the momentum produced during the vegging and roll it over into prolific pinsets. Of course some substrains or should I say isolates pin prolifically and don't really need the kick in the pants but the majority certainly can benefit from it. Does any of this make any mycosense to anyone or is it just me? Anyone seen the movie Dark Matter?  LOL
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: hyphae]
#10594422 - 06/29/09 07:49 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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But then, what do you know? 
Yes, I concur... premature pins + bulk = 
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: Cervantes]
#10594455 - 06/29/09 07:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
But then, what do you know?
Yes, I concur... premature pins + bulk =
Not a helluva lot really but one things for sure I know I like horny women I know I like Grey Goose and I know I love the ride my Harley! Not necessarily in that order but I'll take what I can get life's too short!!!
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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE
"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: Begginers Mushroom Bible [Re: hyphae]
#10594481 - 06/29/09 08:05 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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hyphae said:
I know I like horny women I know I like Grey Goose and I know I love the ride my Harley! Not necessarily in that order but I'll take what I can get life's too short!!!
Sounds like we have a lot in common. LOL
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