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So far you've backed up nothing you've said.

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No, but he is following the Believer's Credo by constantly changing the subject before he can get nailed down.

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The link to wiki about the anticoagulant being a rat reppelent, I have a problem with this line of thinking. here is what I think to myself

ok doctors can show in a lab that this is not bad and has an effect which may be beneficial for some people
oh but it was a rat poison?
well thats strange
why would they want to use that
why not eat your fruits and vegtables and take some herbal medicine?
that seems like a good idea. it is cleaner then all those industrial chemicals
why do these people insist that is the best medicine?
why don't we focus more on nutrition
instead of weird chemicals
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What the fuck is an herbal medicine such that "weird chemicals" are excluded?

I think its hillarious that your claiming people should eat fruits and vegtebals and take whatever the hell "herbal medicines" are (warfarin isn't one?  How do you know?) rather than taking anticoagulants.  If you had your way, you'd be killing, maiming, and leaving brain damaged a whole swath of our society, and your all hot and bothered about fluoride?

Give me a break.


Why would they use a rat poison?  Did it ever occur to you that the same mechanism that kills rats might be medically useful?  No, that's impossible, its a rat poison!  Once that label is applied to something it fundamentally changes.  The chemical knows its a rat poison, and starts acting mean. 

Your whoel argument seems based on ignorance and some illogical distinction between whatever "herbal medicine" is and what "weird chemicals" are.




The truly hilarious thing is that your whole tirade ignored the fact that warfarin is an herbal medicine. 

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why would they want to use that
why not eat your fruits and vegtables and take some herbal medicine?
that seems like a good idea. it is cleaner then all those industrial chemicals

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Oops... guess they are using "herbal medicines"... just like you said.  So you take it all back now?  Cuz "herbal medicines" are good right?  They certainly aren't "weird chemicals" right?


So now, despite everything you said, warfarin is a great drug, and no longer a "weird chemical"?  Wow, funny how the same damn shit you were bitching about is suddenly a great drug, and you didn't even know it! 



(I'd really like to know how you've decided that herbal medicines are cleaner than industrially produced drugs, as you claimed.  Please explain what your defining "clean" to be and provide your evidence)

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herbal medicine unlike pills create balane in the body. generally all herbs have a whole cocktail of "chemicals" that balance side effects of the main compound. they round out the whole experience. let me give you an example.

you have high blood pressure and need to take a pill
oh but the pill causes water retention problems so you need some lasiks
the lasiks leeches potassium from the body now you need that

or you could just take ONE herb

herbs are plants
pharmaceutical drugs are synthetic poisons

and no warfin is not an herb. a compound that was very similar was made by plants and people come and tinker with it so they can patent in
it becomes toxic in that process
why not just leave it the fuck alone and use the plant?

you just sound all angry now. like news flash allopathic medicine doesn't
i was teriiblly ill and none of them could help me
i cuered myself and you can guess how I did it
it doesn't work for a lot of people
but ya don't see that on tv

i mean really do I need to tell you the difference.
you are already so gone that nothing I ca say will bring you back
herbs are gentle
pharms are ruff

and I didn't see any evidence that warfin was a herbal medicine

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