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    #10560039 - 06/23/09 02:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Welcome to my Race/Variety/Strain Journal.
This is where we discuss 'Strains'.

Please read any pertinent information in these first THREE posts before asking about any cube 'Strain'.

If you have already read the first three posts of this thread, start posting. If not, read on.

If you have anything factual to add, see something that is incorrect or missing entirely, post it.

Introduction:
99% of your race/strain questions should be answerd in the first three posts of this thread[. Please read all three before posting any 'Strain' related discussion in my journal. If you wish to discuss, or update the information concerning a specific race/'strain' or topic, scroll down to the other posts in this thread and click on a particular cube or topic's name.

Please send me a PM if I need to add any new threads or profiles for missing cubensis races (strains).

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So... without further ado... welcome to Cervantes' Race (Strain) Journal!

Thanks,
Cervantes

Now, start reading:





Why 'Race', 'Variety 'and 'Subvariety' are Often More Accurate Terms Than 'Strain':
When discussing different types of cubes in general, let's use the words 'Race' or 'Variety' instead of the word 'Strain'. Cubes, like humans, come from all over the world... and like humans, there can be some variety from one cube patch to another. It is time for some racial tension here in the world of cubes. Most cubes are named after the place where their original wild spore specimen was discovered... so Race is a logical (if imperfect) word to use when describing these different types of cubes. At the very least, it is more accurate and far less confusing than the word 'Strain'.

In this thread, the word 'Strain' in quotation marks means something different than the word Strain without quotation marks. The word Strain refers to living dikaryotic mycelial tissue, the word 'Strain' refers to commercial spores.

The fungus known as Psilocibe Cubensis is a unique mushroom SPECIES. Shiitake is a unique mushroom species. Azures are their own species. Amanitas are a species... etc. It would be almost impossible and incredibly expensive to use two different fungus species and create a hybrid of the two. It'd be like successfully mating a human with a gorilla. However, a Caucasian human can effectively mate with an Asian human. Similarly, spores from one cube race can mate (or be mated) successfully with the spores of other cubensis races.

In the world of mycology, every single time a single spore's mycelium mates with another's to become dikaryotic, a unique Strain (no quotation marks) is created. Like baby humans, living cube Strains are each unique, and they tend to resemble their 'parents'. Each single viable spore print can produce thousands if not millions of unique strains. Most of these strains will produce mushrooms that look remarkably like the mushroom that produced the print from which they came.

The term 'Strain' is often used to describe the type of spores on a spore print or in a syringe filled with spores. When used in this context, the word 'Strain' is simply NOT ACCURATE (hence the 'Quotation marks'). It is a word used by vendors (who cater to hippies) in order to make magic shroom spores sound like different strains of marijuana. It is a word that suggests cubes are more varied from 'Strain' to 'Strain' than they actually are.

Marijuana is a plant, cubes are a fungus. Cubes come from SPORES, marijuana comes from SEEDS. Cubes breathe OXYGEN and produce CO2 as a byproduct (like animals). Marijuana, like all plants, breathes CO2 and produces OXYGEN.

The misuse of the word 'Strain' is widespread, and only encourages vendors to sell as many different 'Strains' as possible in spite of their obvious similarities. When people talk of commercial cube 'Strains' this leads to confusion and misinformation. Vendors (especially the shady ones) thrive on this misinformation.

An African, an Asian and a Caucasian are all undeniably human but there are obvious differences between each race. Even on a smaller scale... every single town (and sometimes neighborhood) in Great Britain features a slightly different dialect... and yet, there is still room for great diversity from one person to another in said towns... even though, when compared to a different race, most Brits tend to look alike.

Still, the world of genetics is often a funny thing, and sometimes spores will produce some surprisingly unique and unexpected strains... strains displaying recessive genetic traits and mutations that nobody could predict... again, just like humans.

These unique cubes can be selectively bred until these unique traits become common, even via multispore inoculation. This new, unique cube may be marketed as a new 'Strain' but it is really just a unique 'Variety' of cubensis spawned from its original race. Still, many vendors market each unique variety as a new 'Strain'. In general, every single commercially available cubensis 'RACE', is actually a domesticated VARIETY of the original specimen. Domesticated cubes contain intentionally limited genetics in order to increase the likelyhood of achieving the desired results, sort of like dog domestication and subsequent breeding.

Over time and multiple generations (spore to fruit to spore) a cubensis Variety can become genetically limited by inbreeding. This means results from multispore inoculation can become more consistent, and the likelihood of accidentally stumbling upon unique traits reduces. If a commercial cube's genetics become too limited, the inbreeding can produce undesired effects. In general, when it comes to life, too much inbreeding will eventually lead to problems.

Annother classification for different types of cubes is the 'Sub-variety'. For example, by using spores from each variety of cube, Workman crossed PF Albino (Probably a variety of the Matias Romero race) with Penis Envy (Probably a variety of an Amazonian or Columbian race) and produced the Albino Penis Envy. Albino Penis Envy is both a sub-variety of PF Albino and Penis Envy.

Since all this 'Variety' and 'Sub-Variety' talk can get very confusing, go ahead and use 'Race' if you prefer, even though it is not entirely accurate. It sure beats saying 'Strain'. There are racial differences between mushrooms, often due to natural selection based upon where they first grew... and sometimes varietal differences due to unnatural selection performed by mycologists.

Finally, there are different 'Brands' of cubes. A Sporeworks Brand syringe full of Penis Envy spores may have a slightly different ethnic diversity than a Ralphster Brand or Hawk's Eye Brand syringe of the same cube.

All of that said, vendors use the term 'Strain'... and n00bs learn the term from vendors. This incorrect term is SO widespread, it is even used in the same way by Paul Stamets. I'd love to use the proper terminology, and will do so from now on... but this will be an uphill battle. Most people recognize the incorrect term, and not the correct ones.

It seems the misuse of the word 'Strain' is only widespread in the world of magic mushrooms, but not in the rest of the mycological world. The fact that so many magic mycologists use incorrect terminology, further reduces our credibility in larger mycological circles. The misuse of this simple word can make our work seem illegitimate in the eyes of science.





The Truth About Different Types of Cubes:
Most cubes look alike.
All cubes grow in the same conditions.
The differences between cube races, varieties or 'Strains' are, more often than not, minute.
Some races are known for fast colonization, or large fruits... even high potency.
BUT... these 'Facts' are often just vendor hype.
Your results will most likely vary.





The Truth About Cube Potency:
If you want something that is very potent, you should probably try a different species and avoid cubes all together... either that, or eat more cubes. Agar will potentially allow you to select a more potent substrain. A few cube races and varieties are reported as being more potent than others... but there is no scientific evidence to strengthen the potency argument. Everybody wants the answer to this question... but all we have is opinion. Most people agree there are differences in potency from one type of cubensis to another... but they seldom agree on which cube is the most (or least) potent.





The Truth About The Fastest Growing Cubes:
Some cube races and varieties are known to grow at a faster or slower rate, on average, than others. There is evidence which suggests the fastest cubensis races produce the smallest shrooms and the slower races and varieties produce the most bulky fungus. Ultimately it all seems to even out in the end (with a few exceptions). Also, the slow cubes more frequently display unique macroscopic characteristics (in other words, they are more likely to look noticeably different from other races) while the fast ones usually look like average (or smaller than average) cubes. It tends to take more time to grow a large or unique cube. If you are looking for a cube which produces a LOT of quick bulk, you may be looking for a long time... and you'd better work with agar.





The Truth About Bulk:
Race, variety or 'Strain' has little to do with bulk. With some work, any viable cube print should produce good flushes. Good isolation on agar, and good fruiting conditions are the only proven ways to get consistently bulky flushes. There are no quick and easy solutions. If you want bulk, first you are going to need diligent patience.





The Truth About Selecting Your Spores:
The thing that distinguishes most races, varieties or 'strains' is where they originated and who collected the first specimen. If you are interested in Tasmania, try some Tasmanian spores. If you like the story of how SG30 was resurrected by Shdwstr, try SG30. If you think Penis Envy looks fun, try it. They are all cubes. Pick one that interests you, and see if you like working with it.





The Truth About Multispore vs. Strain Isolation:
Agar allows you to work specifically with your spores but it costs more money and takes much more time. However, proper agar work will give you consistency from one grow to the next.

Multispore inoculation is a turkey shoot. You never know what you are going to get. Mother nature is unpredictable. If you intend to use multispore, it is suggested you work with a classic and/or popular cube variety. Cubes that have been popular for 10 or more years tend to be popular for a reason, and their genetics have probably been limited (in a good way) by being selectively bred over and over again... generation after generation. You are more likely to see consistent results via multispore, if you use a proven race.

*Special thanks to Livingston, apoonanor and george castanza.





Race/Variety (Strain) Profiles
Certainly there are mistakes contained within these profiles. I have done my best to quote and credit my sources whenever possible so, they can take the fall for their own mistakes :smile: . However, I wish to be as historically and scientifically factual as possible and will keep this list updated to the best of my abilities.

If you see anything that you believe is incorrect, please let me know.

Drop me a PM, or post in this thread. Add any information and links that you uncover. Many of these profiles are short for one simple reason... I have been unable to uncover any further information. The trail more often than not, runs cold. Please, help me with this eternal project.

Post any additional info or corrections in this thread or in my strain/race journal. ESPECIALLY if I have spelled anything incorrectly or if I have misrepresented any information! Also, let me know what cube strains/races I am missing. Feel free to post information in my journal even if it means bumping an extremely old thread. Either click the journal icon in my avatar or follow this link:

Click the race/strain's name to go to a thread in my journal where you can discuss that particular strain/race.

Enjoy!





A Strain
The A Strain is a classic cube. It was originally marketed by Mr. G., "Creator" of the B+.

A Strain is well domesticated, and a good candidate for multispore inoculation.

Albino A+ comes from a recent mutation of the A Strain.

From www.ralphstersspores.com







Acadian Coast
According to Roadkill and Ralphster, the Acadian Coast Cube supposedly originated in Louisiana. While it has never been a popular cube, people who try it seem to enjoy it. There is little info here at The Shroomery about the origins of this particular cube.

Photos from www.ralphstersspores.com







Albino A+
The Albino A+ is a unique cube.

According to Workman from www.sporeworks.com, the Albino A+ is a recent leucistic mutation of Mr. G's A Strain. This means it is not a true albino, just very pale, with almost white flesh. A true albino wouldn't have dark spores. A+ does. Albino A+ caps sometimes have a sharp nipple. Not a prolific fruiter, but better than most true albinos. Because of its dark spores, AA+ may be a good candidate for crossing with other cubes. If you are interested in albinos, but you want to print them easily, you may wish to look at Albino A+.

From Workman and www.sporeworks.com







Albino Penis Envy (a.k.a. APE)
APE is a unique cube.

This is a fairly new cube, brought to us by www.sporeworks.com and their very own Workman who worked extensively to cross PF Albino with PE to create albino penises.

While Workman was hoping for a pure white version,  APE  is a white shroom with a pale blue cap. Ape is prone to aborts, it is not a prolific flusher and due to these factors, it is probably best classified as a novelty or mutant cube. However, poor producing mutants are often reported as being much more potent than average. There is little to no scientific evidence or proof to support the claims of 'mutant' potency... only personal opinions. A mutant's novelty may simply make them 'seem' more potent... which actually CAN make a difference while tripping.

From Workman and www.sporeworks.com








Allen Strain
According to Roadkill, the Allen Strain was discovered by Mushroom John Allen near Ban Tailing Ngam, Koh Samui, Thailand. Roadkill domesticated the only wild print and named it after the man who discovered it. An ideal Allen Strain mushroom is reported (by Roadkill) to have an egg shaped cap just before the cap breaks from the stem and the fruits reach full maturity.

Photos by Eatyualive.



Photo by Chavro.






Argentina
This cube comes from... surprise! Argentina. Unfortunately, there is not much info here at The Shroomery about this particular cube.

Photos by Civ







Australia (a.k.a. Aussie)
Information about the origins or unique traits of the Aussie Cube have been hard to find. It may have been discovered by B.I.O. but these rumors are as of yet, unconfirmed.

Aussie cubes are known for (and nicknamed after) their golden or yellow coloration. They are commonly known as 'Gold Tops' in the Down Under.

Australia has plenty of cows and a good climate for cubes. It seems the Aussie is an average (If yellow-ish) looking cube.

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






B+
The B+ origins have become a thing of legend. B+ is a classic cube and has been one of the most popular commercial cubes in history. It is very domesticated, and a good candidate, if you plan to use multispore.

Nobody knows exactly where the cube which became B+ came from.

Mr G... who, "Created" B+ swears it is a Psilocybe cubensis/azurescens hybrid... MOST people disagree with this statement... and chalk it up as a marketing ploy. Nobody has been able to prove the B+ is an Azure hybrid. It would be rather miraculous if Mr. G. succeeded. It is safe to say his claims are BEYOND belief.

There no evidence to suggest cubes and azures could be crossed in this way. Although, some people say the caps of B+ resemble the cap of an Azure... and there are a few reports suggesting B+ spores may share some Azure traits as well. This is likely just wishful thinking.

B+ is known for its LARGE fruits. You will likely need a well hydrated cake/casing/tub to get the most out of B+... otherwise the shrooms may not reach their full potential.

B+ can be SLOWER growing than many other brand name cubes (but like EVERY cube, your experience may vary). B+  has been commonly known as a good choice for BEGINNING cultivators. Many believe B+ is very forgiving and can grow in a wide range of temperatures and conditions.

To further the B+ mystery, for a time, Sporeworks accidentally sold a different strain (the prime suspect is PES Amazonian) under the B+ label. This mistake has since been corrected, but there may be several different 'strains' floating around the trade community under the name B+. This may explain why there is so much discrepancy in descriptions of B+ grows, including reports of hollow stems, varied colonization/growth times and fluctuations in potency.

Speaking of potency, there are a surprising amount of reports of "Dud" batches of B+ (ie: not very potent). While most people swear by the potency of B+, there are many who think it is rather tame (at least, occasionally). Don't worry too much about potency. B+ was recently voted The Shroomery's most popular cube so it must do something right.

Many say the B+ puts out good initial flushes, followed by smaller flushes of larger fruits.

As for the legend of the B+... This thread is an interesting read... including a rant from the infamous Mr. G. The man who allegedly started the rumor that he combined a cube with an azure, to create B+

Here's another good read.

Photo by Anand.


B+ Type 1, Photo by Workman at www.sporeworks.com


And B+ Type 2







Ban Hua Thanon (a.k.a. BHT)
According to Mushroom John Allen, aka mjshroomer:

Quote:

mjshroomer said:

This is the original shroom from which all Koh Samui Ban Hua Thann shrooms orginated rom.

The first shroom I obtained three prints from.  It was collected in the same field as the P. samuiensis.  IT was then grown indoors in Europe and prints were obtained and sent to me.

And so I present these prints for your pleasure and enjoyment.

Here is a picture of the original mushroom involved.



mj




Photo from www.ralphstersspores,com






Ban Nathon Dhupatamyia (a.k.a. BND)
Another Thai cube discovered by Mushroom John Allen.

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
Hi Civ, you see form the original mushrooms the beautiful nippled caps of this strain. The original shroom was collected right next to the military base and along the road that goes up to the Tarnim magic gardens at 450 meters altitude. These were collected just above sea level, maybe 60 feet.

Glad you were finally able to get them going. I know if yo had not had a moving condition all of those would be beautiful.

Still, one hell of a job in cultivating.

Is is okay for me to copy your images and tek notes for my records?

mj




Photos posted by Civ.







Ban Phang Ka (a.k.a. BPK)
Discovered in Thailand by Mushroom John Allen. Reports by Ralphster of large fruits.

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






Ban Thurian (a.k.a. BT)
Discovered in Thailand by Mushroom John Allen.

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






Big Mex
Supposedly, the Big Mex comes from Mexico and was brought to us by Mr. G, creator of the B+.





Blue Meanie Cube
One of Keeper's cubes, the Blue Meanie Cube has caused a great deal of confusion. Blue Meanie has long been the nickname for the pan (copelandia) cyan, another magic shroom which grows in similar conditions as cubes but is much more potent. By naming a cube after another type of shroom, it has lead to a great deal of confusion, particularly when it comes to dosage. This single name has caused dangerous confusion.

For more info, see the entry for Keeper Brand Cubes.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






Brazillian
According to Roadkill, the Brazillian variety is, "A great strain, a must have."

Like most South American cubes, Brazilians are known for their large fruits and aggressive colonization.

Photos from www.ralphstersspores.com






Burma (a.k.a. Burmese Yangoon)
According to Workman, "Original specimen was collected from buffalo dung in an unplanted rice paddie outside the city of Yangoon, Burma. Original collection supplied via Mushroom John by way of a gift from a Thai student who spent time collecting mushroom samples around Yangoon (formaly Rangoon), Burma (now Myanmar)"

Photo by crazychemist.


Photo by Uncle Rico.


From www.ralphstersspores.com


From Jackal.






Cambodian (a.k.a. Cambo)
Cambos are classic cubes.

Rumors of Cambos potency and aggressive colonization abound. Cambos are quite popular among many cultivators.

According to Ryche Hawk from www.thehawkseye.com Cambos are, "A very nice and fast growing cubensis from Cambodia. This cubensis was originally picked by John Allen while in Cambodia filming some of the psilocybe mushrooms that grow naturally throughout a lot of the country."

Photo by Psilocybinjunkie.


Photo by Roadkill






Chilean
According to Ralphster, this cube is, "Straight from the Chilean mountains".

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






Colorado
The Colorado Cube is an enigma.

Rumors of cubes growing in the Rocky Mountain West are common. Unfortunately, there is no hard evidence to support these rumors. The stories of wild cubes in the Rocky Mountain West are likely stem from cultivators who use the story to disguise their grow op. Western cultivators may simply tell friends that they know how to find cubes in a cow pasture (especially FRESH cubes), instead of saying, "HEY! I GROW THESE MYSELF! I HAVE A COLLECTION OF PRINTS, SYRINGES AND JARS! I HAVE A MARTHA, AN ULTRASONIC AND A PC!!!!"

Ralphster from www.ralphstersspores.com swears he was told the spores came from Colorado, but it is extremely unlikely the person who gave Ralph the original spores was telling the whole story. Without a great deal of human intervention, cubes would struggle to grow outdoors in Colorado's cold and dry, high altitude climate. Due to long winters, the potential wild cube growing season in Colorado is very short. This warm season is often very dry and also, too hot for cubes. While not entirely impossible, Colorado's conditions are simply not optimal for cubes. Not even in a good year.

If the Colorado Cube really is from Colorado, it was likely gathered from a cultivator's well tended outdoor (or even indoor) patch... or a farm animal ate some shrooms in the Gulf Coast region and was quickly transported to Colorado where it pooped the spores out at the perfect time of the year for cube growth.

A true Colorado cube would likely show some interesting microscopic traits, for example a Colorado cube should have unusually large spores. The further a native cube is from the equator, the larger the spores tend to be. If any such research has been done with the Colorado's spores, it is not readily available.

Ralph was told the Colorado is from Colorado. He believes what he was told. There is little evidence to dispute or support the story... but it is more than likely someone told Ralph a lie or at the very least, unknowingly stretched the truth.

It doesn't really matter if the Colorado cube really came from Colorado. It still makes for quite an interesting story.

Photos by Civ.







Colombian Rust Spore (a.k.a. CRS)
The Colombian Rust Spore is a unique cube.

Workman obtained a print of Colombian Rust Spore from grod31. Spore coloration is identical to PF Redspore but CRS is much less likely to abort. According to Workman, aside from its lighter flesh tone and rust colored spores, CRS is nearly identical to the B+ Type 2 which was accidentally sold as B+ by www.sporeworks.com for a time, before the error was discovered and corrected. It is suspected B+ Type 2 is actually PES Amazon which also originated from Colombia. Colombian Rust Spore, because of its stability, is a good candidate for crossing with other cubes.

Photos by Workman at www.sporeworks.com







Costa Rica (a.k.a. CR)
The Costa Rica Cube was discovered by Rhino.

According to workman of www.sporeworks.com Costa Rica was, "Generated from a Costa Rican sample that was labeled as an unknown landslide mushroom."

Ryche Hawk from www.thehawkseye.com has a more detailed story:

Quote:

Ryche Hawk:
Another great sacred mushroom brought to you first by The Hawks Eye Sacred Mushroom Spores. This sweet cubie was found in the foothills surrounding Arenal Volcano, Costa Rica. Approximately 1000-1200 ft. elevation. Our good friend Rhino was thoughtful enough to take some spore prints from the mushroom specimens he collected while exploring various regions of Costa Rica. More on Rhino's story of finding this treasure below.

Costa Rica is a magical kingdom. We have heard nothing but exciting stories over the years from our friends that have visited this tropical area of the world. We are glad to have a sacred mushroom from this region of the world that has been growing at the base of a highly active volcano for how many centuries? With Costa Rica lying on both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, I imagine this mushroom has heard many stories come through the winds. What kind of stories will it whisper to you?

Here's Rhino's story:
****

Our trip fell one month into the 'green season'
as it is referred to by the Costa Rican nationals (Ticos y Ticas).....It
was wet....to put it mildly but it did not spoil our trip one bit :-) We
had a rented 4x4 (tiny) and we traveled to 4 different geographical regions
within Costa Rica. We did not collect these specimens in a cloud forest region
which are approx 3000'-4400' above sea level near the continental divide.
The cubies were found in the foothills surrounding Arenal Volcano.
Strangely, they call this area the Central Lowlands but it seems a lot
higher. I checked for reference and determined that the area is
1000'-1200' above sea level Having said this, cattle are raised from sea
level to the highest summit throughout the country and we saw many enticing
cow fields even in the highest areas. This time of the year the temps were
a little cool in the higher regions that have perpetual moisture...or maybe
not...daytime temps were in the low 70s and night temps dropped to the high
50s/low 60s. Other times of the year, these areas see the 70s-80s that
were constant in the area around La Fortuna and the base of the volcano.
For this reason, I would think that cubies could be found in CR any time of
the year with optimum conditions falling at different altitudes depending
on the season. Due to the frequent downpours, the mushies we collected
were a little soggy but stout.

I have many pics and I have a great story about finding these mushies. I knew
there must be cubies everywhere but I did not want to trespass and finding
someone to ask was not too easy but I was determined to get onto someone's
farm. While on an excursion to the chachagua waterfall in this vicinity, we
came upon a rasta (hispanic rasta) fellow selling hand made jewelry and hand
made pipes, bongs as well as hammocks and batiks (sarongs) along the side of a
rural road. We stopped to have a look and began talk with the guy (Daniele)
because I was looking for some green. He was extremely cool and invited us to
his shop to smoke some herb. His shop was just behind his roadside stand and
behind that his home. His place sat right in the middle of several farms and
as we talked more I asked if he knew about psilocybe mushies and if they could
be bought in Costa Rica. He laughed and said they are everywhere and they are
free...only the herb cost $$. Cattle had not inhabited the fields immediately
around his place for several months and the grass was waist high. He actually
called a buddy of his (Mateo) and had him take us to a farm belonging to
another friends family. The picture you have of the farmhouse is where I am
talking about...nice place! We scoured the fields and only came up with only
a handful that day but they said there are usually many more. Only 4 were
printable. We saw several cubies that were waaay past their prime and were
all slimy and blue. I did not mess with any of these of course. It had been raining
heavily the last 24 hours and I think a couple of days later would have been
productive but we had to travel to the next stop on our trip and could not
stick around. We (Lana & myself) ate just a little bit for a buzz and sat
outside with them as the sun set. Mateo ate a full dose and looked to be to
be in full bloom after about an hour...lol. The guys played the bongos while
we sat and made jewelry with all the beads and things Daniele had. It was a
kick ass experience for us as we are city dwellers. We had planned to eat the
four printing caps in a couple of days since we would be in the cloud forest
but we could not get them dry fast enough after printing even with rice and as
a result they got ruined. We were sad but very glad to have the prints
instead. That way we can try this strain later after giving the spore prints to our
friends at The Hawks Eye.
the spore prints to our
friends at The Hawks Eye."




Rhino's photo of the wild Costa Rican, posted at www.thehawkseye.com






Creeper (a.k.a. Keeper's Creepers or KC)
Easily the most popular of Keeper's Cubes.

For more information see the profiles for Keeper Brand Cubes and Exit 8.

From www.thehawkseye.com


From www.ralphstersspores.com


From Hotnuts.






Cuba (Camaguey)
From the country that gave us the root of the word, "Cubensis"... really.

From Wikipedia:
Quote:

The name Psilocybe is derived from the Greek roots psilos (ψιλος) and kubê (κυβη) and translates as "bald head". Cubensis means "coming from Cuba", Cuba being the type locality published by Earle.




According to Ralphster:

Quote:

ralphster44 said:
Time to set it loose :smile:

Worked on this for 6 months!!! From CUBA....Camaguey !!!!! I love it !!!




Posted at www.ralphstersspores.com






Dakak Beach Philippines
According to Ralphster, "The original of this strain was found at the same time as the Quezon. Fruits tend too be a little smaller than some."

From FooMan.






Dancing Tiger China
According to Ralphster, "From the expert efforts of my good friend Agar. This strain is sure to please. These Cubes bruise dark blue and have a distinct oatmeal like flecking onthe caps."

Posted by Buddhahoodlum.


Posted by Cubenisseur.






Dixieland
The Dixieland cube was discovered in Alabama and isolated by Dial8, a member of the Mycotopia mushroom community.

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






Ecuador (a.k.a. EQ)
The Ecuador cube is quite popular. It, along with B+, are perhaps the most popular commercial cubes ever. EQ is a classic cube. It is very domesticated, and therefore a good candidate if you plan to use multispore.

The original EQ specimin was originally collected in the mountains of Ecuador by B.I.O. According to B.I.O. himself, stated back in the year in 2000:

"i brought this beautiful EQ strain 10 years ago from ecuador also one down from the amazonas.....the EQ mountain strain i collected in northern ecuador close to otavalo at 10.000 ft altitude....it was growing at temps around 70 F and its a slow colonizer....but a shaman told me that the mountainshrooms a clearer and stronger....
BiO."

EQ's can grow to be quite large, a common trait among many South American cubes. The caps can be quite huge with very dark prints.

While not the fastest growing cube, the EQ makes up for it with its impressive flushes. There is little about the EQ to make it look different from other cubes. It is an average looking cube which often produces larger than average fruits. According to Workman, the EQ is slightly easier to pick than most cubes since the fruits don't cling to the substrate.

For many years, EQ was known as a good cube for beginners, although any cube is a good cube for beginners.

The Yosterizii cube is simply a renamed version of the EQ produced from a supposedly prolific EQ substrain.

Pic from www.ralphstersspores.com


Pic from Workman at www.sporeworks.com


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Re: Cervantes' Cubensis Race/Variety (Strain) Journal [Re: Cervantes]
    #10560047 - 06/23/09 02:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Elephant Dung
This is another Thai cube credited to John Allen.

From www.ralphstersspores.com

"The Elephant Dung shrooms came from three prints collected from one shroom and a few other prints which are on deposit at Chulalongkorn university in Bangkok.” - John Allen

From www.ralphstersspores.com







Elephant Gate
This is an elusive cube, if you find a print you are among a select few.

According to Roadkill and mjshroomer, John Allen found the original specimen at a monastery near the Elephant Gate in Samui Thailand. Roadkill used the print to find a good isolate and has given out a handful of prints to other mycologists.

Here's an interesting thread featuring EG grown indoors. 

Photos from Thai_Connection.







Exit 8
Very little is known about Roadkill's Exit 8 Cube, but it is worth mentioning because it played a roll in cubensis history.

According to Roadkill:

Quote:

Roadkill said:
I contacted the Keeper by email...
I told him that I had some new strains of Cubensis that I was willing to trade with him...
he emailed me back and was very excited and wanted to trade with me.
and he asked me what strains I was interested in getting from him.
Told him I was interested in his Keepers Creeper strain...
and asked him about where the Keepers Creeper strain was from...location wise.
he emailed me back...
and he said that the Keepers Creeper strain was from Jamaica.
Who knows if he was telling me the truth.
:crazy:
The Keeper was very interested in getting his hands on my "Exit 8" strain.
He liked the name of it!~
lolzz
I never traded him the "Exit 8" strain so if he comes out with it...
it's not the real "Exit 8" strain.
:smirk:
The guy is a snake charmer!~
plain an simple!~
he would sell his own mother to make a buck $$$$
---

As far as growing the Keeper Creeper strain goes...
The Keeper Creeper is a good strain.
fast colonizing, nice large fruits on bulk substrates if the growing conditions are right.
and I won't talk about the trip...
:crazy:









F+ (a.k.a. Florida White)
F+ has never been very popular. Perhaps this is due to its name, which implies a mark of failure, according to American school standards. F+ supposedly originates from Florida. It was used by The_Chosen_One in a cross with PF Albino to create the elusive Falbino. There is little about the F+ which distinguishes it from an average cube.

From www.ralphstersspores.com







Falbino
The Falbino is a unique cube.

The story of the Falbino is a great tale for amateur mycologists everywhere.

According to The_Chosen_One:
Quote:

It was PFA monokaryon isolate in lc with F+ spores germinated in it. the history can be a bit confusing i know.  the mushroom itself is confusing.




The result is a cross known as the Falbino. Compared to other true albino cubes, the Falbino is a prolific fruiter and not as prone to aborts. According to Workman, the Falbino grows upwards until it reaches maturity, then its stems tend to bend, much like Penis Envy. While the Falbino does drop spores, they are clear and hard to see unless printed to something dark like tin foil.

The_Chosen_One also is working on several other versions of the Falbino:
Quote:

there are now a few different versions out there. the pure albino as noted here. the pigmented version which drops purple spores heavily. and the pigmented version which also produces albino fruits and chimeras* mixed in with the pigmented ones. 
*chimeras are fruits that have some pigment and some albino mixed together in one fruiting body.

also, things will be possibly be getting more confusing in the near future  as i have been working with a backcrossed version for some time now. the original backcross produced some giant pigmented fruits as well as large albinos. the pigmented fruits are now lacking most pigment so what we have is an almost albino mushroom that drops purple spores quite heavily. the fruits are also very heavy, but not great in number typically.




Photo of The_Chosen_One's very first Falbino Fruit:


And photos of The_Chosen_One's Falbinos grown from clear spores:




Photo by Workman at www.sporeworks.com







Golden Teacher
The Golden Teacher is a classic cube. GT is very domesticated and is a good candidate for multispore inoculation.

Nobody seems to know where the Golden Teacher Cube came from but it was likely discovered in the Gulf region of the USA. This cube has been around for quite a while and has been sold by many vendors. It can produce average to large flushes of average looking cubes. Some GT's can grow to be quite large. Some may display a nipple on the top of the cap and according to Workman, the occasional 'wart'. Colonization and fruiting times may be a little slower than average. Opinions about the GT are quite mixed. Some love it, some hate it.

Photo by Workman at www.sporeworks.com






Guadalajara
From Guadalajara Mexico.

From www.ralphstersspores.com


Photo by TheMan420






Gulf Coast (a.k.a. GC)
Gulf Coast is a classic cube. It originated in the Gulf Coast region of the U.S.A.

GC is reported to be a fast and aggressive cube.  GC has been around for so long, it is likely well domesticated. GC  is a good candidate for multispore inoculation.

Photos by Drenkhahn.






Hanoi Vietnam
Mushroom John Allen discovered this cube in Vietnam, he reports extreme blue staining and potentially high potency.

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






Hillbilly
Discovered in Alabama. Isolated by and named after Hillbilly, the guy who found the first specimen.

Photos by fahster.







Honduras
From Honduras.


From Workman at www.sporeworks.com






Huautala
This cube is from a history filled region. According to Workman:

"The Huautla strain of Psilocybe cubensis is a recent collection from the wilds of southern Mexico in the region of Oaxaca near the village of Huautla de Jimenez. Huautla de Jimenez has gained notoriety as the hometown of mushroom shaman Maria Sabina.

In 1954 Gordon Wasson and Allan Richardson became the first Caucasians to participate in a mushroom ceremony, conducted under the guidance of Maria Sabina near the village of Huautla de Jimenez. Wasson and Richardson each consumed specimens of Psilocybe caerulescens var. mazatecorum.

Our good friend Club99 recently collected the Huautla variety of P. cubensis from this historically rich region."

Another cube with the same name was sold by Mushmush in Europe for a short time.

Photo by Workman and www.sporeworks.com






Katmandu Nepal
There is very little Shroomery info about this cube. Like most cubes, it was probably named after the place it was discovered.





Keeper's Brand Cubes
"Strains include: The Keepers Creeper, Tequila Spikes, Veracity Sincerities, Shooting Stars, Sanctuaries, Yin/Yang?s, Oasis, Northern Lights, Hairy Buffaloes, Illusion Weavers, Chimeras, Reality Benders, Blue Meanies (Cubensis), Nj6, The Star Gazer, Z-Strain

BEWARE OF THE KEEPER!!!

It is sad to think a shady retailer like Keeper gets such a long entry, but his story needs to be told, and it is an annoyingly entertaining read.

Keeper Brand spores are overpriced and the Keeper website is filled with misinformation. The proprietor is a liar and a thief who only tries to trick newbies into spending up to ten times more than they should for a syringe. Facts be damned! Keeper will say anything to get a sale.

Unfortunately, he is still operating and selling spores. Many Shroomery newbies come to this website talking about the ridiculous prices they have payed Keeper for a spore syringe.

It does seem like Keeper sells viable spores... but avoid doing business with him at all costs. Little if anything is known about the origins of his Brand of spores.

At one time, Shroomery vendor Ryche Hawk www.thehawkseye.com supplied Keeper with all his spore prints... until they had a falling out when Keeper raised his prices and started selling spores as his own name-brand spores. It is plausible that many if not all Keeper's strains are simply renamed and overpriced versions of Hawk's own spores.

It is usually frowned upon when  a vendor starts selling another vendor's exclusive spores w/o permission. It is especially frowned upon when a vendor changes the name of said spores to disguise the cube's origin. This practice denies the people who discovered wild cubes the credit they deserve. Recognition is often the only reward for mycological field work.

Recently, Hawk exacted his revenge on Keeper. He purchased every single Keeper Brand Cube from the Keeper himself. Hawk then had the spores shipped to his labs where the spores were germinated and fruited.

In this case, one bad turn deserves another. Hawk now sells the Keeper Brand cubes himself at a greatly reduced price... and unlike Keeper, Hawk actually tells people where his spores come from.

One of Keeper's cubes, the Blue Meanie Cube has caused a great deal of confusion. Blue Meanie has long been the nickname for the pan (copelandia) cyan, another magic shroom which grows in similar conditions as cubes but is much more potent. By naming a cube after another type of shroom, it has lead to a great deal of confusion, particularly when it comes to dosage. This single name has caused dangerous confusion. The Blue Meanie Cube spores are sold at a fair price by Ralphster www.ralphstersspores.com.

Keeper's most popular cube is known as Keeper's Creeper, and it is now sold by many vendors. Long before Hawk brought Keeper's other spores, The Shroomery's own Roadkill tricked Keeper into trading for the Creeper. RK's resulting prints ended up in the hands of legitimate vendors who began to sell the Creeper (KC) at a greatly reduced price.

Here's the entertaining story according to Roadkill:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5749011#5749011

Quote:

Roadkill said:
I contacted the Keeper by email...

I told him that I had some new strains of Cubensis that I was willing to trade with him... he emailed me back and was very excited and wanted to trade with me. and he asked me what strains I was interested in getting from him.

Told him I was interested in his Keepers Creeper strain... and asked him about where the Keepers Creeper strain was from...location wise.

he emailed me back... and he said that the Keepers Creeper strain was from Jamaica.

Who knows if he was telling me the truth.
:crazy:

The Keeper was very interested in getting his hands on my "Exit 8" strain.
He liked the name of it!~ lolzz
I never traded him the "Exit 8" strain so if he comes out with it... it's not the real "Exit 8" strain.
:smirk:

The guy is a snake charmer!~
plain an simple!~
he would sell his own mother to make a buck $$$$

---

As far as growing the Keeper Creeper strain goes... The Keeper Creeper is a good strain. fast colonizing, nice large fruits on bulk substrates if the growing conditions are right. and I won't talk about the trip...
:crazy:





And here's Hawk's story in his own words:
Quote:

Ryche Hawk said:From www.thehawkseye.com

"Our main competition will have you believe that they actually created "hybrid" mushrooms and they are so superior that they want to charge you between $35 and $90 a spore syringe.

I have one word for you BULLSHIT!

I have a little secret for you, unlike Marijuana, mushrooms are almost impossible to create hybrids. It takes extensive research over years by professional mycologist to come up with "hybrids". Don't be fooled by the advertising gimmicks of our competition!

We used to supply our competition we are referring to with some of their cubensis strains, we watched this company continuously deceive the uneducated and newbies. We have had enough, we took it upon ourselves to order their so called "hybrids" and have our expert growers develop them so we could offer you the spores for a fraction of the cost. Lets just PRETEND for a moment they really are "hybrids",

Do you really want to pay between $35 and $90 for a spore syringe? That is absurd!
$15 to $20 a spore syringe is a fair price, PERIOD!"




By all means, if you are interested in Keeper Brand spores, buy from a fair and honest vendor.





Koh Samui and Koh Samui Super Strain (a.k.a. KS and KSSS)
Koh Samui was discovered by Mushroom John Allen. It is known to produce fatass (short but fat) cubes.

According to www.thehawkseye.com

"Another great psilocybe mushroom brought to us by Enthomycologist John Allen from his travels through Thailand. This beauty was picked in the town of Hua Thanon on the island of Koh Samui."

Koh Samui is known for shorter than average fruits with meaty stems that are noticeably wider on the bottom than at the top. For its height, Koh Samui can have unusually large caps but Koh Samui from time to time, puts out some surprisingly normal looking fruits. Pins commonly have red tops with white spots. The caps turn red-brown with maturity.

Koh Samui Super Strain came from a prolific Koh Samui isolate. There is much debate over weather KSSS is actually a, "Super Strain". Some people swear by it, some long for the original. Some think it is less varied in appearance than the original. Your results may vary. KSSS is likely just a more domesticated version of Koh Samui, so if you plan to use multispore, try the Super Strain, and if you work with agar, stick with the original.

Many people are found of Koh Samui. It is usually easy to spot from  picture alone. It is a great addition to any collection.

Photos from www.thehawkseye.com







Large Fruit
According to Ralphster, in spite of its name, Large Fruit is an average sized cube. It was originally donated to Eric at the FSRE.

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






Lizard King (a.k.a. LK)
The Lizard King strain has an interesting history, and it was discovered by Lizard King who had a hand in finding several coveted Mexacanae specimens as well. Anand played a large roll in domesticating the Lizard King cube.

What makes this cube interesting is that it was found growing on a mixture of wood and horse poo. Wood is not a common substrate for wild cubes but given the right conditions cubes will grow on damn near anything.

Here's what Lizard King himself had to say about his discovery:

Quote:

Lizard King said:
This week just keeps getting more strange by the day for cubies. I can't find a single cube in the local cow pastures, but here I am finding them in horse pastures and woodchips of all places!! You see, there is this horse park where I live, the 96 olympics were help there. Anyways, there are stables, and riding arenas all over this park, and there are what you call "manure pits", where the manure and stable bedding gets shoveled into. Well, I stopped and asked an attendant where they empty these dung pits at? He directed me about a mile up the road to the dump site and said I was free to take all I needed. So I get up there, and the dump consists mainly of the woodchip bedding from the stables, and a few horse turds here and there, didn't look very promising. Low and behold though, I step out of the truck and there sits a fat cluster of three large cubies. The thing is, they were growing from freaking wood chips!!!! I am sure there is horse shit burried under those chips somewhere, but the mycelium was actually growing in the woodchips, no dung visible at all, and I even dug a little. This has got to be the stragest of places I have ever found, or ever will find a cubie. I couldn't f*#&ing belive it!!

I found a horse stable close to home and asked them where they dump their stable trash, they told me where to go and said to take all I wanted. Stable waste is 90% wood shavings, its used for bedding for the horse, the other 10% is the dung that the horses drop in their stables. When I first pulled up to the site I spotted 3 nice fat cubies and couldn't believe it!! I picked them in a pile of wood chips, the mycelium was eating it up and loving it, there is absolutely no horse dung in site around them, not under it, beside it or around it. I think there is or was probably a small piece of horse dung that was colonized and spawned itself into the woodchips, its so apparent that it doesn't mind the woodchips, it actually loves it and seems to benifit from it, they grow way more healthy, thicked stemmed, plump and potent. They're awesome!! Check hunting forum for more info on this find.




Photos from Anand. His first flush:


And his second flush:






Malabar India (a.k.a. Malabar or Mal)
Malabar is a moderately unique cube. It was discovered by 3M in Malabar, India.

The prints were given to several members of the online mushroom community and eventually, to vendors. The Shroomery's own Phrozendata, Roadkill and Thor all had a hand in domesticating the Malabar cube we know today.

Malabar is known for its caps and veils. The veils may stay connected to the cap, even when the cap is fully mature. The cap itself is known to be dark in the center and it fades to a light yellow near the edge.

Malabar is a beautiful cube, often with meaty stems and poor spore production.

Photo by Billbraski


Photo by Mac.






Malaysian
Collected by Mushroom John Allen. According to Ralphster, this cube can frequently mutate.

From www.ralphstersspores.com







Matias Romero (a.k.a. MR)
Matias Romero is a classic cube with a fascinating history.

According to mjshroomer, the Matias Romero was discovered near the town of the same name, in Mexico by Dr. Steven Pollock one of the forefathers of cubensis mycology. Pollock is reported to be the first mycologist to use poo/straw to grow cubes. He also discovered the sclerotia producing Tampanensis (not a cube).

As the legend goes, Professor Fanaticus, creator of the PF Tek likely created the PF Classic Cube we all know and love from Matias Romero spores which he purchased form Mr. Harris and the Homestead company in the PNW. PF Classic certainly does resemble Matias Romero.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






Mazatapec (a.k.a. Maz)
There is surprisingly little Shroomery info about the origins of this classic but average cube. According to Ryche Hawk, it was first "Picked around Mazatapec Mexico". Maz has never been an extremely popular cube but it has never fallen into obscurity either. There are reports of Maz producing a 'Spiritual' trip but no hard evidence to support these claims.

From Kurupira.






Menace Strain
The Menace Strain is a unique cube.

The spores which eventually produced the Menace Strain were discovered in Texas by Lostfreddy. After receiving  a print form Lostfreddy himself, P. Menace's first batch looked nothing like the Menace Strain we know today. They were thin stringy mushrooms which hardly looked like cubes.  After extensive work, P. Menace was able to stabilize a much larger cube then he originally worked with. The result is the Menace Strain we know today.

The Menace Strain has a unique characteristic which displays itself in later flushes; the caps get very wavy in a pattern not unlike some hubcaps. For photos, see the link at the bottom of this entry.

According to The Shroomery's own P. Menace:

"This is the Strain I have been working with for some time to get it Stabilized, The Specimin was first collected from the Mid-Eastern Texas area, Wild Growing in a pasture, Losfreddy Collected a Spore Print.
Here is the original thread... These Were all Tiny Tiny Mushrooms they were grown in a milk carton.

I first received my print in November or December of 07.

So a ton of un-documented work (damn it) later, over a course now of 5+ months work with this strain... I believe I have Finally Done it!! Stabilized the strain!! Im beginning to wonder how big they can actually get!!

In the third flush the caps always begin to get this wavy look to them... Kind of a neat trait if you ask me."

For more info and photos, see this thread. 

Photos by P.Menace



Photos by Workman at www.sporeworks.com






Mestizo
A cube named after the Spanish term for mixed ancestry. May be from Mexico.

Photo from www.ralphstersspores.com






Mexican Albino
The Mexican Albino, despite its name, is not an albino. It probably is not even classified as leucistic (a lightly colored, almost white cube, with dark spores).

Mexican Albino was discovered in Mexico by Mushroom John Allen, and its caps are known to have a white ring around their edge upon full maturity. There are rumors that the Mexican Albino carries an albino trait and may occasionally produce a true albino fruit, but photographic evidence of this trait has proven itself elusive. Although cube races from dry places, often carry an albino trait (perhaps to reserve resources while growing fruits in less than optimal conditions). Cloning an albino fruit brings true albino flushes in future grows.

The name Mexican Albino sounds like a marketing ploy or wishful thinking.

from www.ralphstersspores.com







Mexicube
The Mexicube was discovered by the infamous Mr. G. in Southern Mexico. It is known for its light yellow-ish coloration and spotted caps. Many claim the Mexicube can produce multiple large flushes of medium sized cubes.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






Mex Dutch King
According to Ralphster www.ralphstersspores.com, the Mex Dutch King was rumored to come from a cube sold as 'Mexican Cubensis' in a Dutch coffee (ie: weed lounge) shop. There is little other info available about the origins of this cube, or any unique characteristics. It seems to be an average cube. If you have fond memories of Amsterdam coffee shop cubes, or wish to go on a trip to Amsterdam some day, perhaps Mex Dutch King is worth a look.

From www.ralphstersspores.com







Mexican Cubensis #3
This cube was mentioned once on these boards by Millet of Sporeworks. Other than that, there is very little Shroomery information available. According to  Nan's Nook, it was originally sold as a fruitable version of Psilocibe Mexicana (Psilocibe Mexicana is not a cube, but it is certainly worth a look if you want to try an easy to grow magical species).





Na Muang Thailand
Discovered in Thailand by Mushroom John Allen.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






Nepal, Chitwan
According to Anno, and Workman, this cube was discovered by barebel, Anno then acquired some of the spores and eventually sent a print to Workman at Sporeworks.

Workman said, "Original collection material was obtained by Baerbel in the village of Sauraha near the Chitwan Jungle of Nepal. Three specimens were located in otherwise dry climate conditions (three months after typical mushroom seasons), and shaded by a nearby tree. Specimens picked from what appeared to be either elephant or rhino dung. Original sample specimen pictures below and right."

And from Anno:

Quote:

Anno said:
A friend, baerbel,  asked me to post those pictures.
He took them  a few days ago in Nepal.





   




Picture from Mrheatmiser.






Oak Ridge
According to jeetered, "I found this strain growing wild, 5 miles west of Y12 nuclear weapons complex, in Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37830 USA, growing gregariously and singular in equine dung and surrounding enriched soils. Oak Ridge, TN 37830 USA,  is where the atom bombs were built that "ended" world war II. "the secret city".

The Oak Ridge strain has no residual radiation, however where found, there were some mutated specimens. The soil was tested for mercury that was near the find, no trace amounts. As far as nuclear irradiation, no way jose.

They have long yellow stems, and large bright orange caps. the ones in the picture on FSRE had sporulated on themselves."

jeetered would like to keep Oak Ridge FREE. Donate it to spore rings, trade the prints, but please vendors, don't sell it.

Picture from Pazzy.






Orissa India (a.k.a. OI)
The first specimens were discovered by Mushroom John Allen. Although rumors abound about OI being discovered while growing in a wild elephant's dung, Allen put these rumors to rest. According to him, OI was found in cow poo, near Orissa India. OI's can grow to be quite large, and for a while, the largest reported cultivated Cubensis fruit was an OI.

From www.thehawkseye.com







Palenque
There is surprisingly little information here at The Shroomery about the origins of this classic cube. Palenque is named after a place in Mexico where cubes are seasonal. Cubes were used by Shamans in this region. Palenque was likely named after the region in which it was discovered.

Picture from DreaMaTrix.






Panama
According to Ralphster: "The original prints of this strain were collected growing in the Garden of a Hotel in Panama City. Isolated and introduced by yours truly."

Picture from angryshroom.


Picture from debianlinux.


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Re: Cervantes' Cubensis Race/Variety (Strain) Journal [Re: Cervantes]
    #10560050 - 06/23/09 02:42 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Penis Envy (a.k.a. PE)
Penis Envy is a unique and classic cube. You should see good results with multispore, since PE is well domesticated.

The Shroomery's own RogerRabbit is fond of saying, "Cubes are cubes, with the exception of PE." This statement is rather profound considering its source. Attempting to get RogerRabbit to admit the differences between any cube 'Strains' is usually a lost cause.

The history of the Penis Envy is shrouded in legend, mystery, and famous names.

According to various sources including long-time Shroomerite, Mushroom John Allen (AKA mjshroomer), Penis Envy was probably discovered in Amazonian Colombia by Terrance McKenna and his brother Dennis in the early 1970's. Hamilton Morris reports the print came from, "A monstrous Amazonian mushroom growing on the dung of local Zebu cattle" and the original specimen, "was taller and thicker than anything found in American soils." Unfortunately, Morris' report has not been confirmed by either Dennis McKenna or his brother Terrance (before his death in 2000). In fact, Dennis McKenna was reported as saying, "(It) is news to me." when he was told the PE supposedly came from their own Amazonian spore collection.

So, perhaps the Penis Envy did not come from the McKennas at all, and perhaps it did. Perhaps the original specimen did not look like a penis until it was isolated by somebody else.

Perhaps the McKennas simply forgot about it... but this is doubtful especially if it looked like a penis. Terrance McKenna often talked about the masculine energy contained within a magic mushroom... and it is hard to believe he'd forget about a penis shaped cube from his own collection.

According to Hamilton Morris at www.viceland.com, pioneering Cubensis mycologist Steven Pollock received a sample of McKenna's Amazonian spores labeled 'Amazon', and Pollock himself, quite possibly isolated the penis shaped cube which we now know and love from McKenna's spores. John Allen among others, seem to believe this version of the story.

According to Morris' legend, Pollock mailed a sample of his spores labeled 'Penis' to Rich Gee in Washington state, right before Pollock himself was murdered in his home by a bullet to the brain. According to the same legend, Pollock was buried with a pocket full of Tampanensis sclerotia, a Matias Romero fruit in one hand and a Penis Envy fruit in the other. Discovery of Psilocibe Tampanensis (not a cube but worth a look if you want to try something different, magical, and easy to grow), and Matias Romero are both credited to Pollock. It is plausible that Pollock also, isolated PE.

Penis Envy was thought, to be long lost, at least at The Shroomery, until Mushroom John Allen discovered bulk print vendor, Rick Gee of MycoTech (see link at end of description), was still selling viable swabs of PE. In case you're wondering, a sterile, cotton swab is sometimes rubbed along the gills to collect spores from hard to print fungus.

Around the same time, The Shroomery's Dreamster1 (not his original username) gave Workman, from www.sporeworks.com, a sample of PE that reportedly originated from Terrance McKenna's own collection... which further clouds the PE's history.

Was Dreamster's print really from McKenna himself? Or, did it also come from Rich Gee, who always claimed the spores came from McKenna's Amazonian exploration?

Because some vendors got their original PE spore samples from Gee (presumably via Pollock), and Sporeworks perhaps got theirs from a source close to McKenna, it is unclear which vendor's PE spores come closest to the original specimen.

It is also, unclear as to who actually gave the Penis Envy its common name.

As you can see, the story/legend of the PE is filled with mystery and confusion. We may never know the whole truth. Still, the PE's mysterious background is part of the fun. At best, it is a historic cube, with connections to the forefathers of Cubensis mycology. At worst, it is a unique cube which looks like a dick.

Long-time Shroomery Sponsors (including www.Sporeworks.com and www.thehawkseye.com) later, reintroduced Penis Envy in print and syringe form, and began to sell the spores to the public. It has increased in popularity over time. Today, many vendors sell Penis Envy and it is among the most popular commercial cubes available... which is a ironic, since PE is a terrible spore producer, which makes it difficult for some vendors to meet increasing demands.

With Penis Envy, just because you see fruits does not mean you will see spores. Penis Envy fruits are often sterile (few or no spores drop) and the gills of the sterile fruit can be light yellow in color (Instead of spore-filled and dark). Later flushes usually bring more spores than the early flushes, but often only a couple fruits drop spores.

Since the cap rarely separates too far from the stem, a Penis Envy fruit can look like a circumcised penis. Penis Envy often has a thick gnarly stem. 

Penis Envy fruits often grow slower than a typical cube (but your results may vary). Those thick stems can take a while to reach full maturity. The DENSE fruits don't shrink much when dried.

When it comes to bulk, a flush of PE is comprible to flushes of other cubes. When compared to most 'mutant' cube strains, PE is a rather prolific fruiter.

It is not uncommon for Penis Envy to flush the occasional ALBINO fruit.

PE is potent, according to most who have tried it. In fact, of all the cubes, PE is almost unanimously reported to be very potent (at least, for a cube). There is surprisingly little debate concerning PE's potency. There is also, little evidence and less proof of PE's potency, but gram for gram, people really do seem to like it a LOT.

Because it looks like a penis when fruited, Penis Envy is a love/hate mushroom. Many people are simply turned off by the looks of this particular cube.

PE has been successfully crossed with other cubes, giving us new commercial PE variations including PE #6 (Texas crossed with PE), PE Uncut (PE crossed with albino), and Albino PE (again, crossed with albino).

Source link:
Viceland's 5 Page Penis Envy artical

Picture from www.thehawkseye.com


Picture from Workman at www.sporeworks.com


Picture from Cervantes.






Penis Envy #6 (a.k.a. PE6)
Penis Envy #6 is a unique cube.

Shroomery veteran RogerRabbit, "Crossed a standard PE with the Tex strain." The result was PE 6.

RogerRabbit's efforts were an attempt to create a modified PE which produced more spores... but the spores were accidentally released too early... when a few prints were unintentionally mailed out, in a stack of other prints. The infamous print which lead to the public outing of this particular cube was labeled PE #6.

Here's how RogerRabbit says PE #6 came to be:

"A single sector fruiting isolate of PE, and another of TEX were placed on a petri dish with rattlesnake venom added to the agar. The snake venom helped the two dikaryotic strains share genetic information to form a third sector, which was which was labeled PE6. Other Isolates of the PE were labeled PE 1-7, and apparently, some of the 6, which was the cross, were in the same batch of prints. The idea was to get a good spore producing PE, but I never had time to stabilize the strain due to accidentally releasing it early. That's why sometimes they look like texans and sometimes very much like PE."

PE 6 looks like a cross between Penis envy and Texans. The fruits often have LARGE caps, which open fully, unlike classic PE. They also produce spores. While the stems look quite a bit like PE. Thick and textured. Like little logs.

RogerRabbit confirms this description: "the caps that opened fully have fewer spores like PE, and they have the same gnarly stems too. Only the caps seem to be bigger and to open all the way."

Link to Primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7624855#7624855

Picture from _Otto_.






Penis Envy Uncut (a.k.a. PEU)
Penis Envy Uncut is a unique cube.

Workman... while attempting to cross PF Albino with Penis Envy happened across an interesting isolate. While this PFA/PE cross shared many of Penis Envy's external, macroscopic traits, the veils often stayed attached to the stems. This means the fruits can look like uncircumcised penises.

PEU albinism is not unheard of. But the PEU is not yet known for its albino fruits... just its, "Namesake veil" to quote Workman.

Like Penis Envy, PEU is often sterile, and spores may be few and far between.

This is still a relatively new strain. Perhaps there is still more to be learned about the unique traits of PEU.

Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7182930#7182930

Picture from drjigglz


Picture from Workman at www.sporeworks.com






Peru
According to Ralphster, this cube is from the mountains of Peru.





PES Amizonian (a.k.a. Amazon or PESA)
PES Amazonian is a classic cube.

While it probably did come from the Colombian Amazon, Pacifica Exotica Spora, the company which first sold it was known to name cubes after locations even if the spores did not originate from said location (See PES Hawaiian). Still, the Amazon is quite large, and PESA likely originated from that region.

PESA can grow quite quickly, but like many other fast growing cubes, it is prone to hollow stems (and therefore reduced bulk). According to Workman, PESA resembles B+ Type 2, the cube which was accidentally sold by Sporeworks as B+ for a few years before the error was discovered and remedied. For a time, there were many reports of B+ with hollow stems.

Picture from Workman at www.sporeworks.com







PES Hawaiian (a.k.a. Hawaiian or PESH)
The PES Hawaiian is a classic cube with an interesting and mysterious history.

Most cubes are named after the place where they were discovered or after the person who discovered them. PES Hawaiian is an exception to this rule. There are no reports of cubes growing wild in Hawaii. While cubes grow in the sub tropics all over the wold, Hawaii's lack of large mamals (until relatively recently) combined with its isolated location (in the middle of the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean) make it quite unlikely that any cube spores could have naturally traveled to the island chain and found the proper conditions to grow.

Then why does PESH have Hawaiian in its name? Because the company which first sold it was located in Honolulu, Hawaii. Nobody knows where PESH really came from. PES Hawaiian may be a renamed version of another classic strain. Nobody seems to know for sure. What is known for sure is this: no wild cubes have been found in Hawaii, and if they are ever discovered, they'll most likely be cubes introduced by people (or the cows and horses people bring to the islands).

PES Hawaiian has been a moderately popular cube and the occasional mycologist produces some monster shrooms while working with it.

Picture from P.Menace






PF Albino (a.k.a. PFA)
The PF Albino is an albino variant of the PF Classic . It is a unique cube and it regularly produces fatasses (short and fat shrooms).

PFA fruits, the albinos at least, are waxy white in color, and bruise blue very easily.

Originally sold by Professor Fanaticus for a limited time, the albino was thought to be lost after the Professor's infamous 'strain/race' degeneration and Federal case.

According to Workman, "The PF Albino appeared in 2000 and was sold by fanaticus.com for a short time, but was discontinued due to strain degeneration. The degeneration was blamed on UV (black) light exposure. I was fortunate enough to get a print of this strain soon after its release and kept it in cold storage until 2005."

Despite the claims that these mutations are different species because of changes in spore color, they are in fact still Psilocybe Cubensis.

www.sporeworks.com sells a version of the PFA which comes from 1998 spores, well before the degeneration of PF's stock. The PFA has been reintroduced to the world of mycology.

From multispore, about 25-50% of fruits will be albino. If you want an ALL albino flush, you'll need to isolate, or clone.

Pigmented PFA's drop more spores than the albino fruits. While the albino fruits CAN drop spores, the spores can be few and far between. Also, albino spores are CLEAR. To print an albino fruit, you'll want to print to foil or glass (or as a last resort, dark paper)... otherwise, you may not be able to see the spores at all.

Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4171176#4171176

Picture from PF's old website.


Pictures from Workman at www.sporeworks.com







PF Classic (a.k.a. PFC)
PF Classic is a sentimental favorite among many Cubensis enthusiasts. It is a classic cube and often a fatass (short and fat). PF Classic peaked in popularity in the late 1990's through 2002.

There are reports that PFC has a very thin veil which virtually disappears shortly after breaking.

According to Workman, "PF "Classic" was initially purchased by PF from the Homestead Company (one of the few cubensis spore sources at the time) around 1990. No one seems to be sure where the original wild spores were collected, but it has been suggested that they are of Matias Romero stock, which it does resemble."

The entire catalogue of PF Brand spores was almost lost to degeneration. Some wonder if the degeneration was due to black light exposure... but Workman suspects the PF 'strains' are all infected with a fungal virus... which may contribute to PF Classic's propensity to mutate (PF Classic has spawned the PF Albino AND the PF Redspore) and degenerate.

PF Classic is not known to produce many spores. You may have to wait longer for PF Classic spore production to begin, than with most cubes. Once the veil breaks and the cap extends, you still may have to wait an extra day or so... before sporulation.

Professor Fanaticus created the PF Tek in 1991. This tek allowed people to cultivate mushrooms without a pressure cooker, grain, glove box or a flow hood. The PF Tek greatly simplified cubensis cultivation for hobby mycologists. The PF Tek is still very popular.

On Tuesday, February 18 2003 Professor Fanaticus' home was raided by the DEA (United States Drug Enforcement Agency).

Although selling cubensis spores is legal, it seems selling spores AND selling info on how to grow them was a problem for the American DEA. Compounding that problem, were the 11 grams of cubes, minuscule grow op, and 2+ ounces of marijuana discovered during the raid.

Professor Fanaticus got off relatively easy (and he thanks his lawyer). He got 6 months of house detention and 3 years of probation. His wife was also given 3 years of probation. On Dec 14, 2006 the Professor's probation came to an end.

The Professor recently turned 60 and now spends his time playing guitar in the Seattle area.

Source links: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2111034#2111034
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6670033#6670033

Picture from JokerGD.


Picture from Critic.






PF Redspore (a.k.a. PFR)
PF Redspore is a unique cube. It produces rust colored spores and fatass shrooms.

The PF Redspore is a variation of the PF Classic which produces brownish/red spores... instead of the purple/brown/black spores which are common for Psilocibe Cubensis. PF Redspore is not to be confused with Redboy, which is a DIFFERENT cube with red spores.

According to Workman, "The PF Redspore spontaneously appeared in a tray of PF Classic around 1996 but wasn't released until 2006. This was well after the www.fanaticus.com raid of February 18th 2003."

Like PF Albino, PF Redspore is prone to aborts.

PF Redspore lacks the pigmentation to create darker spores and is an interesting addition to any collection.

Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6670033#6670033

Picture from Workman at www.sporeworks.com







Pink Buffalo (a.k.a. PB)
Known as Pink Buffalo or Thai Pink Buffalo, this cube was discovered by Milo Zverino in Late September 2000. It is named after the occasional pink Bubalis Bubalis buffalo. A buffalo which is usually grey. The name of the strain implies the type of poop the original cubes were growing in, but this has not been confirmed.

A long lost Shroomerite, and frequent visitor to Thailand, mjshroomer was the first to sell the spores.

* Note This is a quote from an outdated post. The spores are LONG GONE. Don't bother contacting the user for a print.
From
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/316757#316757
Quote:

mjshroomer said:

This fast new colonizing Race of P. cubensis from Ban Saket, Thailand is now available. I have only five prints.  They are $15.00 each plus $3.00 SHipping and Handling Priority US Mail. This is a one time offer only from me. Soon others will carry this print.

This race of Cubensis was collected by Milo Zverino in Thailand on or around the last day od September 2000 and is the 2nd generation in vitro prints.

mj

Have a shroomy day and may all of your days be shroomy.




Bubalis Bubauis, the Asian grey and/or Pink Buffalo:
http://www.mushroomjohn.org/samui3.htm

According to MJ, while discussing Thai pan [copelandia] cyans.)

These mushrooms appear in the manure of the Asian water buffalo Bubalis Bubalis, of which 1 in 10 are pink (Fig. 2c) and these mushrooms are common in rice paddies (Fig. 2d) throughout Southeast Asia



On a side note, mjshroomer was eventually perma-banned from The Shroomery. Use the search feature to learn more. It is sad that one of the world's most important cubensis collectors had a falling out with this community... but there is evidence that mj is high maintenance... to say the least. To his credit, mjshroomer knows a LOT about the history of many cubes. Perhaps more than anyone else in the USA.

Picture from ignuF.






Plantasia Mystery
Mystery Solved... well, sort of.

According to Workman:
Quote:

Workman said:
1996 through 1999 there was a very small online company called The Grow Room that sold prints of Psilocybe azurescens (and a few cubes).  They had a single picture of an outdoor patch of handsome sharply nippled mushrooms.

1997 archive:

http://web.archive.org/web/19970119125218/www.growroom.com/whatnew.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/19970119130306/www.growroom.com/shrooms.htm

A year later (1998) the mushroom page moves and many spores are sold out and the name changes to Plantasia.

Another year later (1999) the hydroponics part is gone and now the growroom page is called Plantasia

http://web.archive.org/web/19990125095736/http://www.growroom.com/

By 2000, the site is gone.

http://web.archive.org/web/19981206164427/members.iquest.net/~plantone/shrooms.htm

Original Plantasia site picture at Hawks Eye.
http://www.thehawkseye.com/plantasia/plant3.gif

There was an apparent ownership change around 1999 and the new owner was moving the old print stock and getting some viability complaints.  Ryche and I were sent a print of the supposed azure to test for viability and I determined they were actually cubensis (and viable).  These tests were posted at the shroomery but are now lost.  Ryche renamed them as Plantasia Mystery and started selling them.  I just stored some and gave the rest away. Anyway, maybe that will lead to a more complete story.  They never looked much like the original picture but the original picture is obviously a cube.  But since the GrowRoom was selling other cubes its not even certain we were sent the spores that match that picture.




Picture from darkfly.


Picture from charvo.






Puerto Rico (a.k.a. PR)
According to Workman, the Puerto Rico was discovered in, "Puerto Rico, near the town of Canovanas located on the Northeast side of the island." It is known to have larger than average caps when compared to the size of its thin stems. This type of Puerto Rican cube is known to be an aggressive colonizer which is prone to overlay. It is also popular for its famed potency. While there is no proof to lend credence to the claims of PR's potency, many experienced psychonauts swear by it.

Picture from Workman at www.sporeworks.com






Quezon Philippines
A cube, supposedly from the Philippines and given to Ralphster by the FSRC's Shdwstr.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






R44
According to Ralphster:

"A few years ago, I tried my luck with foraging, and found several very nice strains, Unfortunately my labeling left something to be desired, so the location will have to be set as the Southern States.

After 2 years of trail and work, my suppliers have finally sent me something I can be proud to present to you… the R44.

Think dense fruits, with heavy stems an mid to large size caps, heavy spore drops and excellent potency. I’m certain you will be pleased.

An excellent addition to any collection."

From www.ralphstersspores.com






RalphstersSpores Brand Spores:
RalphstersSpores is a long time Shroomery vendor. He has helped The Shroomery stay online when money was tight, and he used to run the American Free Spore Ring (FSR). Ralph's business had to move his shop to another state a few years back when Idaho chose to make the sale and purchase of hallucinogenic mushroom spores illegal. This law was likely made in order to force RalphstersSpores out of Idaho.

What makes Ralph so special? He sells a larger variety of cubes than any other Shroomery vendor, many of which are exclusive to Ralph. Ralph's 'Strain of the Month' special is loved by newbies. He offers fast, and discrete service. Ralph's customers are very loyal.

Ralph's large collection of cubes can lead to confusion, because Ralph simply doesn't show the complete heritage of every single cubensis variety he sells.

RalphstersSpores is a cash only business. You must send him the money for your purchase before he sends your order to you. There is no option to pay with a credit card.

Be sure to ask Ralph for his free 'Strain of the Month' when you place an order. If you purchase cube spores from him, he will throw in a free cube spore syringe (the variety changes every month)... but only if you ask. :wink:





Redboy
Redboy is a unique cube.

Redboy was a popular cube a few decades ago but it was thought by many to be long lost. RogerRabbit had an old print and used almost all his spores attempting to get it to germinate. It was simply too old. He had to resort to crossing Redboy with Puerto Rico and a little rattle snake venom. It worked. Here's the story in RogerRabbit's own words:

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
After 20 years of sleeping, the RedBoy lives! A mycological Coup d'Etat had to be pulled off to get this mushroom back after 20 years. The spores would simply NOT germinate.

Monokaryotic Puerto Rico mycelium was allowed to crawl over the non-germinating original 20 year old redboy spores in a petri dish, resulting in a 50/50 cross between the redboy spores and the PR mycelium, without the original spores ever germinating, which they were no longer capable of after 20 years.

Rattlesnake venom was added to the agar after cooling to weaken both the cell walls of the spores, and the cell walls of the mycelium, allowing the nucleus from each to exchange genetic information between them. The experiment was duplicated with the offspring, resulting in a 75% pure strain, which was then released to the public.

The result is a 'cross' between the original UNgerminated redboy spores and a cubensis from Puerto Rico. Even though this is a cross,(NOT hybrid since it's two strains of the same species) you can clearly see the red color of the spores.

Enjoy.




Since it was crossed with regularly pigmented cube, Redboy does not always drop red spores. RogerRabbit once asked that people and vendors only trade and sell the RED spores... in order to help the Redboy remain true to its name. Perhaps RR has taken a softer stance recently, but... if people don't heed his advice, the burgundy colored spores the Redboy is famous for producing, may be lost forever. A real Redboy should come from a RED print. For now, you may need to clone or isolate. Vendors, are you listening?

Redboy's red spores are supposedly darker than PF Redspore. According to RogerRabbit, Redboy also, bruises green... which is pretty cool. Most cubes bruise blue.

A unique cube indeed. A lot of work went into bringing the Redboy back. Now, vendors and traders might have to do some work to keep it real... at least for the time being.

Link to primary sources: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4520275#4520275

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/newreply.php?Cat=0&Board=4&Number=7934584&page=0&what=showflat&fpart=1&vc=1&q=1&replystamp=1245898283

Picture from RogerRabbit.


Pictures from xswaveyx.







SG30
A classic cube that is new again. This may be the only cube resurrected from 30 year old spores on record... or at the very least, the only one that is commercially available. This should be called the Lazarus Strain because it truly came back from the dead. One hell of a story!

Here's the story according to Shdwstr. If this cube is Lazarus, Shdwstr is Jesus:

From http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9625624#9625624

Quote:

Shdwstr said:
I isolated the SG30 myself. and the strain came from a print I made myself over 30 yrs ago. And... other than it taking a much longer time (over a week) to rehydrate it was still very strong and vigorous.

The original strain came from a small bag of street shrooms which I purchased in my youth. If there are any old timers out there, they might remember the little black (almost rancid) baggies of mushy shrooms we had access to so very long ago. Man it was tough choking those down.
A friend who worked at a mushroom farm showed me the methods of isolating this on agar to get a clean culture to work with, and then how to create the spawn and straw substrate required to grow some fruits.
After many, many agar plates we were able to isolate a clean culture and do a successful grow and obtain a few nice prints, which even way back then were printed on foil.
One larger print was labeled, dated and stuck in an envelope, in a drawer of other keepsakes which followed me in various moves for 30 years.

A small portion of the print was made into a syringe and allowed to rehydrate for a day, at which time, a few drops were place on agar to see if they would still colonize, but they didn't... nothing at all. I guessed it was because of the spores not getting completely re hydrated, so each following day new agar dishes were inoculated with a couple drops just to see what would happen. I intended to do this for 30 days, and date each petrie dish.
Around the 10th day, we started to see some growth. By the 12th day, you would have thought the spores from that print were only a few weeks old, the growth was fantastic.





Pictures from ShadowSpore.







South African Transkei (a.k.a. SAT)
The South African Transkei cube is a miracle of nature. It seems to be the only cubensis specimen ever identified, discovered and collected in South Africa. South Africa is at the bottom of the African continent, hence the name SOUTH Africa. It may be the only cube collected this far from the equator. Transkei was discovered growing in poo in the shade of trees near the coast of the Indian Ocean in the Transkei region of South Africa. This region was also the birthplace of Nelson Mandella.

Unlike the Colorado cube, which may not be a wild cube from Colorado, Transkei's origins are well documented, and it was discovered at a low elevation, near the ocean.

Transkei is prone to overlay, and produces average sized fruits. The Shroomery's own Roadkill swears Transkei is very potent, often stating, "They are the reason Africans wear bones in their noses!"

Picture from www.thehawkseye.com


Picture from Una.






South American (a.k.a. SA)
South American is a known producer of medium to LARGE fruits. It is a strain from Venezuela so it should probably be called 'Venezuela' but it already has a name. Many South American cubes are favorites of mycologists due to their larger than average size. In fact many different varieties of cubes from the South African continent are known for their large size.

Paul Stamets has theorized that cubes are not native to South America... rather they were accidentally introduced when Spaniards brought cattle... and those cows... well you know where cubes come from don't you?

The South American strain was first sold by former Shroomery vendor sporechicks.com but the vendor had a falling out with this community and went offline. For a while, the SA was thought to be lost, until vendors like The Little Guy and Ralphster helped bring it back into fashion.

Recently SA has become quite popular among cube cultivators, finally getting the attention it deserves.

Currently, the largest and heaviest reported single cubensis mushroom was grown by P. Menace from SA spores.

Picture from P.Menace


Picture from HolyDiver.






Sporeworks Brand Cubes:
Sporeworks is a long time Shroomery sponsor and a legitimate mycological supply company. Sporeworks is a mycologist's dream. SW sells a larger variety of cultures and spores from more different mushroom species than any other Shroomery vendor. While other vendors may sell more different types of cubes, SW also sells edibles, exotics and a huge variety of hallucinogenic spores (for microscopy use). SW's customer service is top notch. If you are interested in more than just cubes, you owe it to yourself to take a look at Sporeworks.

Sporeworks' cubensis selection focuses on unique and classic cubes. SW cubes have been expertly domesticated. Almost every single variety of cube sold by Sporeworks is unique... and often exclusive to SW. If you want Albino Penis Envy... or Menace or Columbian Rust Spore...etc, there is only one place you can go.

Sporeworks is a business but they are also focused on research. Sporeworks own Workman has been on the forefront of hallucinogenic mycology for many years and his discoveries have often changed what we know to be true about magic fungus. An order from Sporeworks will fund future mycological research.

Be sure to mention that you are a member of The Shroomery when you place an order. You should get a free cube syringe with any order of equal or greater value... but only if you say the magic words. :wink:





Stropharia
A cube with a confusing name.

Stropharia is the name a different species of mushroom which is non-active (sometimes toxic... ) and grows in wood chips. It looks surprisingly like cubensis.

This cube, due to its name, has led to plenty of confusion.

BUT, according to www.wikipedia.com the Cubensis was first known as Stropharia Cubensis. The Psilocibe Cubensis was first called Stropharia Cubensis when it was first named by F.S. Earle in 1904... in Cuba... hence the root "Cub".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis

The name Psilocybe is derived from the Greek roots psilos (ψιλος) and kubê (κυβη) and translates as "bald head". Cubensis means "coming from Cuba", Cuba being the type locality published by Earle.

* 1904 First described as Stropharia cubensis by F.S. Earle in Cuba

And here's an interesting old picture from Anand showing Stropharia Cubensis for sale:


So, a Stropharia Cube may not be as misleading as one would first suspect.

Perhaps it is an old 'strain/race'... perhaps it is named after the original Cuban Cubes... unfortunately, more information is needed in order to get to the bottom of this tale.

Photo from parpas.






SyZyGy
SyZyGy is a classic cube.

Anand received a twelve year old print with Terrance McKenna's handwriting on it. He was asked to this lost strain. He did, and then sent a bunch of prints to the FSRE (Free Spore Ring Europe).

According to the FSRE, "Syzygy was the shop of the McKenna brothers based in Honaunau, Hawaï. This cubensis is also called Syzygy, is culivated from a 12 year old print with McKenna's writing on it. The prints Anand made and donated are from the first batch cultivated with this old and nostalgic print. So original dna in the house."

Thank you Anand, for resurrecting SyZyGy. Most folks thought it had been long lost.

Photo from Anand:






Tak Mountain Cube
Discovered by Mushroom John Allen (aka mjshroomer) in the Taksinmaharat National Forest in Tak Thailand. It was first known as  Taksinmaharat National Forest Mountain Cube but it was quickly renamed. Workman received the first spore specimen the original specimen and Ralphster currently sells it.

Here's the story in mj's own words:

Quote:

mjshroomer said:
Soon to come, a pictorial from last summer, never before viewed images of my shroom hunting adventure at 1000 Meters altitude in the Taksinmaharat National Forest.

While on foray with my colleague, one other female professor and five female students from Chulalongkorn University, we first drove from bangkok to ma Sot, on the Thai border and I went into Burma for a while.  Then later in the day we drove back to Tak and stayed in a beautiful lodge with three bedrooms.. My colleague and our driver from the university stayed in one bedroom, I in another and the girls all in a larger f room.  Most of the cabins at the national Forest are privately owned by Thai citizens.  There were park Rangers and also two French Environmentalists checking soil contents and air and water in the Hill Tribes surrounding areas.  The Frenchmen, were sleeping outdoors in sleeping bags rather than a cabin.  They said they were on a budget, but one of them told me he was just keeping most of the funding for himself and sleeping outdoors and in low priced bungalows rather thatn the expensive hotels.

WE saw beautiful flora and fauna not seen in other rego ions of the world.  Photograhed many mushrooms and hiked in and around tiger lands.  Saw a bear in a tree, snakes and insects.

On the last day there, my colleague ask me to look at a small mushrom in the grass.

At first I showed no interest until I observed a slight bluing on the stem and a little ont he edge side of the cap.  It was a small cube.

later i learned from a nearbyu shed, that they had powdered manure and the workers there would sprad this dried buffalo manure throughout the grasses in the common areas of the park.

Later when I have time to go through the disc and size and adjust the images, I will post the mushrooms growing form the sporeprints I made of this mushroom.

One went to Workman and I was able to cut a piece of the 2nd print for myself. that later print went to my friends in the Nederlands for spore propagation.

The shrooms are gigantic and were slow in coming. 




From www.ralphstersspores.com






Tapalpa
This Cube supposedly was discovered near Guadalajara Mexico.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






Tasmania (a.k.a. Taz)
The Tasmanian cube comes from Tasmania and may have been collected by B.I.O.

Photo from TrippinRhino.






Texas (a.k.a. Tex)
The Texas cube is interesting if not exactly unique.

Texas is slow to colonize, pin and fruit. Texas cubes, once mature, have a lot of character. It seems cubes which take a longer than average time to grow often look more withered and tree-like than their faster growing counterparts. A mature Texas fruit can have a thick, gnarled stem and a surprisingly dense and withered cap.

Roger Rabbit crossed Texas with PE to create the PE #6. He crossed them in an attempt to make a PE which produced plentiful spores. PE #6 was leaked before RR had finished working on it. Texas is an obvious choice to cross with PE, because their stems look quite similar and both have thick caps.

Like other cubes from potentially dry regions, the Texas variety can produce the occasional albino fruit.

From Workman at www.sporework.com


From Anand.







Texas Goliad
A cube from Texas, perhaps from Goliad county which is a surprisingly long way from the coast.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






Thai #3 (T3)
According to Roadkill, T3 came from a third generation isolate of Hawk's Ban Hua Thanons.

From Psilopleix.






Thai Lipa Yi
Another cube discovered by Mushroom John Allen. It was found in a field on Lipa Yai which is on the island of Koh Samui, Thailand. Many people compare this cube to the Koh Samui Cube. Lipa Yai is known for its thick stems and is reported to be slightly taller than the average Koh Samui Cube.

From www.ralphstersspores.com






Thai Mystery
Mushroom John Allen accidentally discovered this Thai cube when he tried to work with spores from a small pan (copelandia) cyan print. Instead, he grew this cube. How cubensis grew from a copelandia print is a mystery... but Allen is certain the cube came from Thailand. Hence the name.

From www.ralphstersspores.com


From ShadowSpore.






The Hawk's Eye Brand Spores:
The Hawk's Eye is a long time Shroomery sponsor. Although Ryche Hawk himself has remained reclusive since 'Operation Pipe Dreams' and Professor Fanaticus' arrest. So, don't expect to see him posting at The Shroomery any time soon.

If you enjoy working with agar, you may want to give The Hawk's Eye a look.

Hawk has a nice selection of cubes, and he strives to keep many of them as genetically diverse (or wild) as possible (unlike other vendors who sell very domesticated varieties of the same cubes). Hawk goes to great lengths to properly credit and report about the origins of his cubes.

Hawk is neither the cheapest nor the most popular vendor out there, but his diligent work ethic and discrete service make him one of the best.





Treasure Coast (a.k.a. TC)
The history of the Treasure Coast Cube is shrouded in mystery.

Treasure Coast was first sold by Mr. G. the controvercial creator of the B+ (f you didn't know the story, Mr. G. claims his B+ was a cube/azure hybrid... it isn't). Because Mr. G. is one of the most unreliable vendors to have ever had a user account here at The Shroomery, it is impossible to know if he is telling the truth about his creations in any of his posted rants. Use the search feature to learn more about Mr. G.

Treasure Coast (TC) is known to produce the occasional albino shroom although there is little photographic evidence so it is hard to say if they are true albinos or faux albinos (which are simply pale cubes). Treasure Coast is a rather pale strain, lighter in color than most.

According to Sporeworks and The Hawks Eye's Ryche Hawk, the TC is from Southern Florida's Gulf Coast, but there is some disagreement as to where TC originated mostly due to Mr. G.'s habitual lying.

TC is a classic strain, it has been sold for years by many different vendors. It is possible that some vendors do not sell the original strain, there is some disagreement as to what a 'normal' TC looks like. TC is a favorite among veterans, many of whom swear it has above average potency. There is no proof or even solid evidence to support these claims.

Ryche Hawk of www.thehawkseye.com claims the TC can grow 3 distinctly different types of substrains, implying you never know what you'll get when you use multispore to grow TC.

Perhaps the most interesting of Hawk's claims is this: "We have also seen first hand a few woman friends get very excited from these mushrooms. They giggled of body tingles that tickled their bodies in all the right places.... almost orgasmic they put it :smile:."

Ladies? Who wants to try TC and let us know how it goes? TC may be the perfect date cube... or this could all be wishful thinking on the part of a trusted vendor. Clearly, more research is needed.

Workman, states the TC produces fewer cubes than average but the cubes produced are bulkier than the average cube. According to him, TC is neither fast or slow... producing fruits at a relatively average rate.

TC is an interesting, if not unique cube, and it is certainly worth a try. You may end up with an average cube or you may be in for a surprise... especially you females.

A photo of an albino and regular TC, courtesy of mister.


And an amazing flush, also from mister.


From Workman at www.sporeworks.com






U.S. Virgin Islander (a.k.a. U.S. Virgin Island or USVI):

The original Virgin Islander print came from St. Thomas on the Virgin Islands. Joshua isolated it and had a contest to name it. JazzMatazz won the contest. Ironically Ralphster from www.ralphstersspores.com now calls sells it as U.S. Virgin Island (instead of 'Islander') and while this name more accurately describes the location of discovery, it was not the cube's original name. USVI is an average looking cube with light coloration and thin stems.

From www.ralphstersspores.com


From Joshua.






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Re: Cervantes' Cubensis Race/Variety (Strain) Journal [Re: Cervantes]
    #10560066 - 06/23/09 02:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)


Please direct all intelligent race discussions to Cervantes' Journal.

If you are having trouble finding it, here you go.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Journal/117267



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    #10638226 - 07/07/09 07:27 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

If you disagree with anything I have stated in the prior posts, let me know why. It is my goal to keep this thread, and my profiles as accurate as possible. I know there are mistakes and missing info. Correct me. Argue. Debate.

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    #10638830 - 07/07/09 08:55 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It blows my mind the amount of work you've done here!  :hatsoff:  :thumbup:


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    #10640746 - 07/08/09 08:11 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

The Malabar I grew didn't have particularly meaty stems. They shrunk up quite a bit in drying. Mine were from Ralph. Maybe just multispore genetics...

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    #10642383 - 07/08/09 02:06 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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The Malabar I grew didn't have particularly meaty stems. They shrunk up quite a bit in drying. Mine were from Ralph. Maybe just multispore genetics...





Yeah, multispore really might be the problem.

Here's some other theories:

I know less about Ralph's version of Malabar than I do about Sporeworks' version (because Ralph has said MUCH less about Malabar than SW has)... but I do know Ralph advertises Malabars with a "Thick and meaty stem" and he fails to mention any of the Malabar's other unique traits.

SW's Malabar supposedly doesn't drop many spores.

Perhaps over time, the people who grow and print for Ralph, have looked for a better printing version of the Malabar, at the cost of some of its unique traits... i dunno... that's just speculation on my part.

Ralphs' description of Malabar my simply be outdated. Over time, many commercial 'Strains' unintentionally change (and sometimes a 'Strain' is accidentally misplaced and another 'Strain' is sold under its name). A good description is the best defense against these types of mistakes. If a 'Strain' has unique traits, people expect to see those traits when they grow it. If they don't, word gets out and the vendors can look to see what has gone wrong.

Part of the reason why I compiled this list of profiles was to help vendors understand what their cubes are SUPPOSED to look like... so they can strive to keep the integrity of their 'Strains' alive.


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    #10644195 - 07/08/09 07:57 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I also found that the veils didn't stay intact as much as I've seen in pics (and I tend to harvest earlier rather than later), so maybe you're on the right track as far as selecting for easier spore printing.


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    #10644301 - 07/08/09 08:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah, I also found that the veils didn't stay intact as much as I've seen in pics (and I tend to harvest earlier rather than later), so maybe you're on the right track as far as selecting for easier spore printing.




I've seen the pictures of his Malabars at his site, and they don't seem to show the super-stretchy veil either.

It may be different genetics that Ralph uses... I'd love to hear more reports.


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    #10644365 - 07/08/09 08:27 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'm surprised I don't hear more people talking about hawaiian strain. They were my last grow, and they were real nice and meaty. I never would have ordered them(they were a strain of the month deal), because I don't hear much buzz about them, but I though they were a pretty nice meaty medium sized strain. They were from Ralph too.

Too bad, I don't think I got any pix or I would get you a better pic for the log. That shows a good monster, but not really typical for what I saw from the strain. Maybe I can dig up a pic of 2...


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: nicechrisman]
    #10644803 - 07/08/09 09:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I'm still trying to figure out all this Hawaiian confusion.

There's PES Hawaiian,

Professor Fanaticus sold PF Hawaiian (Probably PES Hawaiian renamed)...

...and Ralph sells Hawaiian (No PF no PES).

I am looking into it, and also looking to see if there is any Golden Teacher connection.

Glad to hear the good feedback. Let me know if you find pics.


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    #10645005 - 07/08/09 10:13 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I kinda wonder if they all come from pesa. Maybe just different names that got tagged to the same strain. If pesa and pesh both came from pacifica exotica from hawaii?...I'm guessing it's an amazonian strain. Unless it is a strain that was introduced to hawaii by cattle or people, then was isolated by PE from there?

It's all kinda confusing...

my hawaiians did have that same sort of pointy cap like pesa.


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    #10645017 - 07/08/09 10:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It is confusing, but I'm pretty sure the Hawaiians come from a common source.


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    #10645140 - 07/08/09 10:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Do you think Hawaiians and pesa come from the same genetics?


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    #10645783 - 07/09/09 02:38 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

No.

PESA are Pacifica Exotica Spora AMAZONIANS. :wink:

PESH are Pacifica Exotica Spora Hawaiians.

They ARE different, although they were sold by the same vendor and PES probably lied about the Hawaiians being from Hawaii.


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    #10647388 - 07/09/09 12:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I thought I read somewhere that cubensis are not native to hawaii.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mister]
    #10647831 - 07/09/09 01:28 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Correct... as far as we all can tell, Hawaii has no native cubes. It is simply too isolated, and had no large, native land mammas to provide the optimal growing conditions for native cubes.

If memory serves, the only native Hawaiian mammals are a seal and a bat.

If wild cubes are ever discovered in Hawaii, they will likely be introduced by humans and/or by human influence.


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    #10648310 - 07/09/09 03:09 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

yep
http://www.instanthawaii.com/cgi-bin/hawaii?Animals
Hawai'i has no native land mammals. The fact that it is isolated by 2,500 miles of ocean from land meant that it was impossible for a land mammal to survive any random journey. The few mammals Hawai'i has today, such as the feral pig, mongoose and rat are the result of human contact. Also missing from Hawai'i are snakes. Hawai'i actually has one native snake, which looks more like a worm than a snake - but no other snakes are found on any of the island (and the state goes to great pains to ensure it stays that way).


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    #10650104 - 07/09/09 08:56 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

What is odd though is this:

Hawaii does have native Pan Cyans... which also like poo. Although, pan cyan spores are smaller than cubes, so they may have made the oceanic trek more easily (small spores blow further)... but what did they grow on before cow and horse poo?


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    #10650474 - 07/09/09 10:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

the only thing i can think of would be bird poo since birds have a tendency to shit in the same place in large groups

the native pans could have adapted to growing in fertile soil
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    #10650492 - 07/09/09 10:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

oh and to clear some of your confusion about PESH(if there is any)

it came from a vendor in hawaii so the people who got it(for lack of a better term) decided to add hawaii into the name

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    #10650667 - 07/09/09 10:43 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

One step ahead of you. See the entry for PESH in the first posts of this thread. :wink:

PES did sell cube spores labeled 'Hawaiian'.

They also sold a cube labeled 'Hybrid'.

SO for a time, there were two PESH's... AND the hybrid was not a hybrid... and the Hawaiian was not from Hawaii.

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    #10650706 - 07/09/09 10:50 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

lol
do you know what species of mushrooms grew in hawaii before human introduction?
knowing what those grow on could help narrow it down on what the native pans grow on


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    #10653079 - 07/10/09 12:36 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

hawaii did have wild boars on it before humans well at least white ones.


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    #10653173 - 07/10/09 12:59 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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hawaii did have wild boars on it before humans well at least white ones.




Sorry, nope.

Pigs were a human import.

Hawaii was settled by humans twice (by Micronesians and Tahitians) before Captain Cook 'Discovered' it. The Polynesian settlers brought their own pigs, chickens and plants... like coconuts and taro.

A laden swallow did not carry coconuts to Hawaii, and pigs didn't fly there either.

Hawaii is in the middle of the deepest part of the Pacific. It is a volcanic island chain, so none of the islands were ever connected to continents allowing for large mammals to evolve as the island chain drifted off into the ocean... unlike say, Australia.


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    #10653576 - 07/10/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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lol
do you know what species of mushrooms grew in hawaii before human introduction?
knowing what those grow on could help narrow it down on what the native pans grow on




It is hard to say for certain... people didn't really study it before the Europeans came.

BUT, mushrooms DID grow on the islands before human introduction.

There's some really cool fungus in Hawaii.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xbEC2PrmZZkC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=native+hawaiian+mushrooms&source=bl&ots=zPnO-FM-cQ&sig=vSVl_T2YQwZsmeaIKh77ht9Q--k&hl=en&ei=dKxXSoSvOoKMsgOC1djWBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1


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    #10653594 - 07/10/09 02:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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What is odd though is this:

Hawaii does have native Pan Cyans... which also like poo. Although, pan cyan spores are smaller than cubes, so they may have made the oceanic trek more easily (small spores blow further)... but what did they grow on before cow and horse poo?




Probably deer feces.  Deer where brought by boat to Hawaii as a present to the Hawaiian King.  I can't remember which country offered them as a gift...but now they are a REAL nuisance on the islands, especially Molola'i and Lani'i.

Deer are herbivores like cows and horses and could have ingested grass which carried spores.  It's possible that when the boats where emptied of the deer feces after a long voyage (that which wasn't dumped overboard) the feces had fungal spores in it which then germinated and was further propagated by the deer...

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    #10653638 - 07/10/09 02:34 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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What is odd though is this:

Hawaii does have native Pan Cyans... which also like poo. Although, pan cyan spores are smaller than cubes, so they may have made the oceanic trek more easily (small spores blow further)... but what did they grow on before cow and horse poo?




Probably deer feces.  Deer where brought by boat to Hawaii as a present to the Hawaiian King.  I can't remember which country offered them as a gift...but now they are a REAL nuisance on the islands, especially Molola'i and Lani'i.

Deer are herbivores like cows and horses and could have ingested grass which carried spores.  It's possible that when the boats where emptied of the deer feces after a long voyage (that which wasn't dumped overboard) the feces had fungal spores in it which then germinated and was further propagated by the deer...

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    #10653640 - 07/10/09 02:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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A laden swallow did not carry coconuts to Hawaii




that made my day!!!!!!!!
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    #10653641 - 07/10/09 02:35 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Around the same time, cows and horses were also introduced BUT they were all introduced in the 1800's or later.

At the earliest some mammals (pigs, goats) were introduced loosely between 300 and 1100 AD.

Birds or wind may have brought the spores of many dung lovers after the mammals were introduced... but I doubt the deer are solely to blame. Deer came late.

On a side note, depending on the island, there are many different types of feral animals. Even the city of Honolulu itself has its share of feral chickens, and goats in the hills.

For a while cows roamed free on many islands.

Even rabbits.

Most have been hunted back into domestication... but pigs, goats and yes, deer still roam free on many islands... along with many feral mongoose, dogs and cats.

It is amazing how fertile Hawaii is. As soon as anything is introduced, it takes off... much to the chagrin of the native species.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: trekie]
    #10654924 - 07/10/09 08:05 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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hawaii did have wild boars on it before humans well at least white ones.



Hawaii was nothing but water till the volcanos that made the ilands got nice and big to where they broke the water surface. So... NO nothing lived there. Too hot.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mister]
    #10655347 - 07/10/09 09:45 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Only the volcanic parts were too hot.

The Hawaiian islands tend to go dormant long before they fall back into the ocean. Plants and animals evolved on Hawaiian Islands that are long forgotten now. The islands we know are only part of the chain.

Hawaii's a cool place.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10657035 - 07/11/09 08:13 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

what kind of strain is "shooting stars" from earths tounge?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: evl]
    #10657842 - 07/11/09 11:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

It is a Keeper Brand cube. See the entry for Keeper in the first few posts of this thread.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10658140 - 07/11/09 12:15 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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It is a Keeper Brand cube. See the entry for Keeper in the first few posts of this thread.





whats keeper? just a gerneic name for someone who stole someone elses credit?

are they even any good?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: evl]
    #10658204 - 07/11/09 12:28 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Uhhhhhhhh....

Again, read the entry for Keeper Brand Cubes in the first few posts of this thread.

Your answer is in the POSTS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO READ before posting in this thread.

Shooting Stars are CUBES, and not a hybrid.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: evl]
    #10658276 - 07/11/09 12:41 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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what kind of strain is "shooting stars" from earths tounge?




I have a print of these that were had from The Hawks Eye. I see that he has run out as of now. I do plan on letting these have a comeback and send prints to workman so Sporeworks can stick it up the Keepers ass a bit more too.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mister]
    #10660011 - 07/11/09 06:33 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Just wanted to add a cool characteristic of PFC's their veil is so microscopically thin that is disappears shortly after the veil breaks.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hyphae]
    #10661194 - 07/11/09 11:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

so i need some hlp ..im ordering a syringe from ralphster so im getting the sotm obviously and its argentina..anyone know anything about that?.. and im choosing between cambodian and acadian coast..any incite on that??


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: rovert]
    #10661346 - 07/12/09 12:06 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Cambos have an interesting history and have good word of mouth.

Acadian Coast also has good word of mouth, but its history is more unclear and it has never been as popular as Cambo.

Argentina... OY! I dunno much about it. Ralph's the only guy who sells it and he has very little info about it. Ask him, he might have more to say...

I'm not even 100% certain it is from Argentina... but I assume it is.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: hyphae]
    #10661367 - 07/12/09 12:14 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Just wanted to add a cool characteristic of PFC's their veil is so microscopically thin that is disappears shortly after the veil breaks.




I will add this to the PFC profile very soon.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10669573 - 07/13/09 01:43 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

The Falbino profile has been updated with new information and pics. Thanks to The_Chosen_One for the new stuff!


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10671847 - 07/13/09 08:09 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

well. old new stuff :wink: not a lot of active species work going on lately. hopefully soon.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #10681164 - 07/15/09 10:08 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Well done!!, good to have some info on the strains and pictures to go along with them


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mule]
    #10696214 - 07/17/09 06:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

just curious why there isnt any info on Pura Vida?

im growing these right now.

the person who sent me the print said they werent domesticated, etc.

do i need to bring this one to the table?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: just me]
    #10696236 - 07/17/09 06:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Pura Vida? Like pure life! I've never heard of them! Do you have any more info on them?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: AlexP]
    #10696310 - 07/17/09 06:45 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

:frown:

no. i dont even remeember who sent them to me. i keep my inbox pretty empty.

he sent me a picture of a tub he fruited.

i was really excited, yet reluctant to work with them. and today the lightbulb went off in my head to check cervantes thread and see what info he had on them...


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: just me]
    #10696321 - 07/17/09 06:48 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

:sad:

Does it look different? Do you remember who sent you the print?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: AlexP]
    #10696569 - 07/17/09 07:43 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

no :frown:

sorry fellas.

its nothing special yet, slow non aggressive bulk colonizer, slow to fruit, slow to maturity.

the only thing fast was the spawn colonization.

the sender did tell me they were amazing tho :mushroom2:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: just me]
    #10696654 - 07/17/09 07:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Pura Vida must be an Costa Rican strain. That's like the Costa Rica motto "pura vida". They sell tourist shirts and stuff with that motto on them.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: just me]
    #10696663 - 07/17/09 07:57 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

:sad: You could have something very special there! It should be from a latin country considering the name... I'd love to know its story! I hope you can find who sent it to you!


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: AlexP]
    #10696706 - 07/17/09 08:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

There is a Costa Rica strain circulating. I haven't heard it called by that name though. Maybe it's a different strain.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: just me]
    #10696888 - 07/17/09 08:40 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

If I added every single 'Strain' mentioned on these boards, we'd have an eternal list of bullshit cubes (it already is a list of bullshit cubes... to a point).

I try to keep to the commercial cubes, the unique cubes, and the ones that have circulated widely in trading circles (with a COMPLETE or interesting history).

If there is anything interesting or unique about it, or you learn more about its history, let me know.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10696917 - 07/17/09 08:46 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah definitely. There's no point in having a cube on this thread with no history.

Couldn't this thread have pans also and other species? That would make it the complete psychoactive mushroom strain/race/variety/species thread.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: AlexP]
    #10696929 - 07/17/09 08:49 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah definitely. There's no point in having a cube on this thread with no history.

Couldn't this thread have pans also and other species? That would make it the complete psychoactive mushroom strain/race/variety/species thread.

:peace:




Pans and other novice fungus... like the Mexicanae species... definitely on my short list of things to do.

I may get started very soon.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10696939 - 07/17/09 08:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

That's very good to know Cervantes! If I hadn't rated you already I would! I love your threads!


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10696975 - 07/17/09 08:58 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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bullshit cubes





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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: just me]
    #10697670 - 07/17/09 11:48 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry.

Spread the spores around, see if it takes off.

If it becomes more common, I can do something.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10697705 - 07/18/09 12:00 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

sweet.

new goal!

get this cube popular enough that it makes the A List!

watch the potency be beyond belief

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    #10701283 - 07/18/09 07:46 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for such an extensive cube guide Cervantes. My wife and I just sat down tonight and read through it all. Great job, Very accurate and informative.:mushroom2:


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    #10701397 - 07/18/09 08:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Does anyone know what strain of cubensis (figure 164, on page 198)is pictured in the mushroom cultivator?


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    #10708094 - 07/20/09 06:10 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Given the age of the book, I doubt those are a strain.
Just a nice isolate from Ps. cubensis.


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    #10709529 - 07/20/09 12:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

They had the strains listed on the P. Cubensis page.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: nicechrisman]
    #10715513 - 07/21/09 01:05 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Pura Vida must be an Costa Rican strain. That's like the Costa Rica motto "pura vida". They sell tourist shirts and stuff with that motto on them.




it's a strain from sporelab, a mycologist amateur collected the print  from the wild in costa rica and sent it to Sporelab


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    #10715690 - 07/21/09 01:36 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I will add it to the list very soon.


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    #10720990 - 07/22/09 12:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Does anyone know what strain of cubensis (figure 164, on page 198)is pictured in the mushroom cultivator?




PF always believed that the strain shown Stamets books was PES Hawaiian. I wouldn't be suprised.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10747445 - 07/27/09 03:08 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

So I've had a read through and see most of the information is on how the strains grow, their flushes etc. What I would like to know, is what strains make you feel different, this isn't really a potency question, more a overall effect question, for example are there strains which can give you a nice body high or stoned feeling without visuals, and others that are renowned for visuals and tripping in the classical sense. I'm not just talking about cubes either, because from what I read cubes are all pretty much the same, interspecies information would be good.

I am really interested to know a good shroom for relaxing, feeling good, without the mind bending visuals, if there is one.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: AlexP]
    #10747595 - 07/27/09 04:29 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Pura Vida? Like pure life!




That sounds like an adspeak marketing name for a line of trendy eauverpriced bottled water.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mystic2050]
    #10749797 - 07/27/09 01:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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What I would like to know, is what strains make you feel different




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    #10750952 - 07/27/09 04:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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Pura Vida? Like pure life!




That sounds like an adspeak marketing name for a line of trendy eauverpriced bottled water.

:smirk:




well ill let you know how it tastes very soon. in the dehy now


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    #10750997 - 07/27/09 04:59 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I wanna know how they taste!!!!! Have you seen my gorgeous Hawaii pins?? ^^


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    #10751004 - 07/27/09 05:01 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

no. link?

are they from me?


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    #10751012 - 07/27/09 05:02 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

They are from a friend of mine here in Portugal! :wink:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: AlexP]
    #10770838 - 07/30/09 07:33 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

This is the strain thread so I'll put this here first & see what I get..


I'm currently working with Redboy. What I what to know is, If I print a batch of caps & see a Redspore print can I still clone that cap?

If I clone sed cap will all the resulting fruits produce all redspore caps?


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    #10771884 - 07/30/09 11:04 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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This is the strain thread so I'll put this here first & see what I get..


I'm currently working with Redboy. What I what to know is, If I print a batch of caps & see a Redspore print can I still clone that cap?

If I clone sed cap will all the resulting fruits produce all redspore caps?





i think your supposed to clone from the inner tissue of the stem if u clone the cap u might get spores too and wouldnt be a good clone would be ms


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: nastos]
    #10775156 - 07/31/09 01:42 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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    #10775522 - 07/31/09 02:50 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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This is the strain thread so I'll put this here first & see what I get..


I'm currently working with Redboy. What I what to know is, If I print a batch of caps & see a Redspore print can I still clone that cap?

If I clone sed cap will all the resulting fruits produce all redspore caps?





i think your supposed to clone from the inner tissue of the stem if u clone the cap u might get spores too and wouldnt be a good clone would be ms




I know you can clone a cap. I just don't know if I can clone a printed cap.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: SRHooM]
    #10775576 - 07/31/09 03:00 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

You will get more replies if you create a thread in cultivation.

Your question has more to do with cloning than 'strain'. I doubt the thread would be locked.


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    #10775649 - 07/31/09 03:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I know you can clone a cap. I just don't know if I can clone a printed cap.




It'll work better with a fresh one, I would think. But even a day old would probably work.


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    #10778160 - 07/31/09 11:37 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

am i missing chitwans in there?


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    #10778369 - 08/01/09 12:35 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

YOU are missing it, but 'Nepal, Chitwan' is in there. :wink:


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    #10778940 - 08/01/09 07:20 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

First off thank you so much Cervantes on an exceptional job of this thread.  When I first read it I was totally impressed by your efforts and what is written here.  I have only been a member of this site for a short time and am so thankful for this community.  About ten years ago I did 2-3 baches of BRF cakes and just started to enjoy this hobby again.  I started with some cakes again and quickly went to rye and so on very quickly. 

What I wanted to add to this thread is this.  I am currently working with 5 races of cubensis and yes a cube is a cube, but I find characteristics that are helpful in identifying differences between races.  For example when I have a tray of Lipa Yi I find that the tray explodes with pins that all do not reach full size while another race will not be like this.  Has anyone explored something like this?  I have taken some basic notes and hope to constantly add to these.  Has anyone spent any time doing something similar to this?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: truskool]
    #10783062 - 08/01/09 09:34 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

To my knowledge, Workman has done the most studies of different cube 'Strains'.

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    #10792293 - 08/03/09 12:43 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Has anyone here grown Oak Ridge ?

I recently acquired a print (no serial number attached to it, so it's probably 2ND gen or more..)  and am wondering if anyone has any advice to contribute on growing it.  (Maybe it's more heat sensitive than my standard P.C. Amazonian or Materis Romero)


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    #10792436 - 08/03/09 01:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

All your questions are answered in the first three posts of this thread.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10819236 - 08/07/09 04:51 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Are these Malabar or Texas? I just need a solid answer because Im not sure. It is definitely one of the two. Should be malabar, but now my friend is second guessing himself.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: drainhaven]
    #10819378 - 08/07/09 05:29 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

To me they look like Malabar. :thumbup:


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    #10826468 - 08/09/09 05:23 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

hi
sorry i didnt scan thru this entire thread but i just had a quick question...has anybody here messed w/ the cambodian strain? in anybody else's experiences, did they take FOREVER to show primordia in the jars?
did you birth them even if they didnt have primordia but were fully colonized and had been in the jars for well over a month/month and a half?
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Re: cambodians [Re: jimmybob]
    #10826598 - 08/09/09 06:47 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Let your jars reach 100%, then wait a week and birth. No need to wait for primordia in the jars.
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    #10833822 - 08/10/09 02:39 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

quick comment regarding oak ridge variety.

i absolutley love it. as of right now ive tried, eq, dixieland, b+, talapapa (sp), pf classic and burma. the OR has had no contams, grown the fastest and the orgins are just so cool i would recomend it to anybody. of course this is just my personal experience and many would disagree...


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    #10884071 - 08/18/09 03:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Wow. This was very informative. Thank you kindly Cervantes. By the way it is Colombia not Columbia. Colombia is a country in South America, Columbia is a University in New York;). Those two seem to be widely confused around here.


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    #10888822 - 08/19/09 09:35 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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By the way it is Colombia not Columbia. Colombia is a country in South America, Columbia is a University in New York;). Those two seem to be widely confused around here.




In the USA, we use the spelling 'Columbia', and we use it a lot.
The other spelling, which we use so infrequently, is not something most people really notice.


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    #10889570 - 08/19/09 12:03 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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By the way it is Colombia not Columbia. Colombia is a country in South America, Columbia is a University in New York;). Those two seem to be widely confused around here.




In the USA, we use the spelling 'Columbia', and we use it a lot.
The other spelling, which we use so infrequently, is not something most people really notice.




My point exactly! Just because most of the USA is ignorant to the fact doesn't make it right.


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    #10890741 - 08/19/09 02:59 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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By the way it is Colombia not Columbia. Colombia is a country in South America, Columbia is a University in New York;). Those two seem to be widely confused around here.




In the USA, we use the spelling 'Columbia', and we use it a lot.
The other spelling, which we use so infrequently, is not something most people really notice.




You are both right.

I lived in NYC for years, by Columbia University. The Columbia was my favorite space shuttle... etc.

But I did screw the pooch. I will change the entry for Colombia Cubes soon, to correct the error, and thank you Bro, for pointing it out.

If anybody else notices any errors, especially misspelled 'Strain' names, please let me know.

I'd rather my mistakes be corrected than ignored.

Edit: I corrected the entries for CRS, PES A and PE... all mentions of Colombia (that I can remember) have been fixed.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: drainhaven]
    #10901121 - 08/20/09 09:20 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Are these Malabar or Texas? I just need a solid answer because Im not sure. It is definitely one of the two. Should be malabar, but now my friend is second guessing himself.
Thanks.







On your second picture, the bottom left mushy against the glass - is that the ideal time to pick it?  In other words, is that the cap tearing away from the stem?


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hi
sorry i didnt scan thru this entire thread but i just had a quick question...has anybody here messed w/ the cambodian strain? in anybody else's experiences, did they take FOREVER to show primordia in the jars?
did you birth them even if they didnt have primordia but were fully colonized and had been in the jars for well over a month/month and a half?
thanks a bunch =]




My cat stuck cambos onto perlite soon as they colonized. They got nice n fuzzy and pins grew thru the fuzz and picked up a nice frosting around the cap in the process.



On another note:
My cat observed some costa ricans that defeated a serious trich contamination. They were producing a clear colored gelatinous metabolite. Anyone else observed this b4?


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    #10936896 - 08/25/09 06:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Just to follow up on this costa rica strain from Ryche Hawk...

Myc was not that aggressive and only moderately rhizomorphic. It produced a lot of clear gelatinous metabolites where different strains on the multispore cake met up.

More interestingly, this jar came down with a nasty trich contamination. It was well over an inch wide, running the length of the jar.

Here is the same jar now:


Here are the fruits growing invitro next to the trich:

A pic from the top:


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    #10958035 - 08/28/09 08:05 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: A cube is a cube. [Re: anonjon]
    #10959041 - 08/28/09 10:53 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Brilliant!

I may quote this in the future.

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    #10975577 - 08/31/09 07:50 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Excellent thread here, and agree.  A cube is a cube just like a Frenchman, a Mexican, an Indian and a Canadian are all homo sapiens.


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    #10989483 - 09/02/09 09:06 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

i apologize in advance if i am asking about something already covered, but i dont think i read anything here about amazonian cubes. because these are the cubes i am mainly interested in studying, any helpful info would be much appreciated.


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    #10989725 - 09/02/09 09:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I think yer free to post/ask wutever strain related thing you want here.


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    #10989739 - 09/02/09 09:53 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I believe you missed something... especially since the strains are listed in alphabetical order...

But, to your defense, Amazonians are listed as PES Amazonians (which is how MOST vendors name them). Penis Envy is also from the Amazon, as well as many of the Colombian 'Strains'.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #10989784 - 09/02/09 10:00 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

thanks alot for your help.
i noticed it was alphabetical, hence i looked most thoroughly in the A's.  probably why i missed it.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Faceroni]
    #10989961 - 09/02/09 10:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry about that.

The only vendor to sell PESA as Amazonian is Ralph... so I listed it like the majority of vendors list it. I know, this can sometimes be confusing.

I really like PESA. I am a fan of the trip... warm and colorful in my opinion. Your results may vary.


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    #10991746 - 09/03/09 09:23 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Also, check out Cervante's journal. It's easier to sift through strain information this way.

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    #11019215 - 09/08/09 03:40 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone else grow Chitwans? I don't know if its just me or do the genetics kind of suck? they seem to be poor fruiters IME.. I have grown B+. PE and mazapatek and all seem to fruit excellently in my set up. 4 cakes of chitwans and only a few decent fruit the rest all abort or just stay kinda stragley. the pinsets seem poor to say the least.


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This is a great informative thread. Love it thanks for putting in the time to post this.


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My pleasure. Thanks for reading it.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11039638 - 09/11/09 09:30 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Wow! This is a long thread... I'll make it longer with my 1st post... Lol Hello every1 :-D


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    #11039748 - 09/11/09 09:57 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys just ordered the Burma strain from sporeworks and was wondering what you guys think about this strain.


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    #11042324 - 09/11/09 06:00 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

please pm me asap does anyoneelse find that mexi-cubes are a slow!!! colonizer or is my syringe contamed?
All the other cakes and grain I did at the same time that aren't mexi-cubes are colonized and fruiting but the mexi's are just finishing colonizing now!


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    #11042330 - 09/11/09 06:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

mango man said:
please pm me asap does anyoneelse find that mexi-cubes are a slow!!! colonizer or is my syringe contamed?
All the other cakes and grain I did at the same time that aren't mexi-cubes are colonized and fruiting but the mexi's are just finishing colonizing now!




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    #11042349 - 09/11/09 06:07 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

My Hautalas took around 4 days to show growth and around 21 to fully colonize. Mazatapecs were just a tad bit slower. I dunno so far I've only grown mexican strains. :shrug:


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    #11085090 - 09/18/09 05:12 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone ever encountered a strain called Golden Mammoth?  A local head shop sells it and after some research I found it came from one vendor and one vendor only, Sporepod.  So obviously it's rebranded bullshit.  However, it's the only strain they sell, so it must be decent.  They claim it is an 8"+ fruiter.  What do you think it is?  B+?

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    #11086994 - 09/19/09 12:56 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

could be anything who knows


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: nastos]
    #11090325 - 09/19/09 04:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Picked up the spores out of curiosity.  Gonna find out exactly what it is.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Poseidon]
    #11093560 - 09/20/09 06:08 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

It's (psilocybe aureus tantus).

Whatever the hell that is.


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    #11093576 - 09/20/09 06:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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'GOLDEN MAMMOTH' (psilocybe aureus tantus) is the ultimate, amazing psilocybe cubensis strain. The Golden Mammoth has earned itself a reputation as the best among psilocybe cubensis magic mushrooms strains, the most prolific, reliable and resistant study available. Pleasing customers for more than a decade, the Golden Mammoth delivers unsurpassed quality, purity and perfection.





hmmmmm. wonder why there is absolutely no mention of them anywhere on the shroomery, or google for that matter then.... oh wait.  :facepalm:

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the ultimate, amazing psilocybe cubensis strain.



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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: subject]
    #11098938 - 09/21/09 05:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

But...it's the ultimate!  Amazing!  Why would you not want the most awesome and fantastic strain out there!?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Poseidon]
    #11110923 - 09/23/09 03:42 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

b+ for whatever reason seems to colonize and fruit slower, at least my multispore b+ did


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    #11113735 - 09/23/09 03:28 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Slower?

Than what? Another cube? A rock?


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    #11120578 - 09/24/09 04:14 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

bigmex- second and third flushes seem bigger out of all of them, pretty good contam fighter, and ok colonization, sometimes the jars go boom'n
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: celicara29]
    #11120608 - 09/24/09 04:20 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

i had some b+ and they colonized wbs at higher temps 87~ degrees but i think its all technique like peeking sends them into shock, maybe get a substrain what your shroom is, and start isolating that? oh like 2 days the jars shoulk be at least with some crystally looking mycelium


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11132360 - 09/26/09 02:46 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

From which country does the strain "South American" come from??

South America is HUGE so...


Anybody know its history?

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I cross-bred a cubensis and an azurescens, it fruits in poop and at 45 degrees F. It's amazing!


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That's some cool shit.


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I cross-bred a cubensis and an azurescens, it fruits in poop and at 45 degrees F. It's amazing!



Who do i have to kill to get a print of this?


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From which country does the strain "South American" come from??

South America is HUGE so...


Anybody know its history?

Thanks





It was discovered by chinese workers digging the Panama canal.


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    #11154950 - 09/30/09 12:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

can anyone verify this? it just seems extreme. no offense man, thanks for pointing it out


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I was being sarcastic... Even if you did crossbreed them the spores (if any) would be sterile. heh


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    #11156347 - 09/30/09 09:48 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

i feel much better about my sanity. the only reason i didnt yell liar! was because anything is possible, and no one else did :blush:. human and mouse cells have been combined and much wierder things have been done. but in nature its not likley...

i do recall a strain called the canadian or something similar that was supposedley very cold hardy. i think it was grown outdoors in canada where it was freezing, supposedley could fruit in the low 50's "easily". forget where i saw that though


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: nastos]
    #11215308 - 10/09/09 12:06 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I recently aquired some syringes from a friend. four 20cc syringes. B+, CAM, AUS, and Storm Ch. i can only assume aus is australian but i cant find anything on them. ive grown B+, and all but the cam are black with spores. the cam has a small string of spores in it. im knockin rye up tonight but i cant decide which to use. im leanin more towards aus or storm chasers. ive read about the hybrids bs. anyone know anything bout the aus?



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Usually means Australia/New Zealand.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #11216810 - 10/09/09 04:38 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

nastos, after seeing the one picture in your signiture i dont know how many times i just noticed the mushrooms growing out of the mushrooms...thats crazy shit


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    #11218971 - 10/10/09 01:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

lol yeah heres a close up


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: nastos]
    #11219691 - 10/10/09 07:19 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

nastos. Which strain is that?

Does it produce lots of mutations?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11220054 - 10/10/09 09:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

i didnt really find what i was lookin for or maybe i didnt look hard enough?

i want to know wich strain is more "visual"

ive take z and mezatepec mexi shroomies

the z was way more of the way i felt..and vary light visuals..i luved it though

the mexies i saw more weird stuff

but i want something like whats "depicted" on hippie movies

where ill see lots of colors and patters and stuff like that?

they told me i should just take a bigger doseage and that would increase visuals is this true? i belive what i read that different strains have different "trips" some more visual some not

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    #11220263 - 10/10/09 10:07 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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    #11220292 - 10/10/09 10:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

B+ pretty commmon to have a few mutes like that every now and then


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    #11220309 - 10/10/09 10:16 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see how one mushie could stimulate the visual cortex more than another.

If you really want some crazy visuals, eat some boomers and strap on a light/sound machine with music playing. It's intense.

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    #11221892 - 10/10/09 03:50 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

eat something other than cubensis

i had really good visuals on PE, but i think that was due to the amount taken, and surroundings


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    #11222054 - 10/10/09 04:17 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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i didnt really find what i was lookin for or maybe i didnt look hard enough?

i want to know wich strain is more "visual"

ive take z and mezatepec mexi shroomies

the z was way more of the way i felt..and vary light visuals..i luved it though

the mexies i saw more weird stuff

but i want something like whats "depicted" on hippie movies

where ill see lots of colors and patters and stuff like that?

they told me i should just take a bigger doseage and that would increase visuals is this true? i belive what i read that different strains have different "trips" some more visual some not

halp me plz




I don't know how hard you looked... but your question has not been answered in this thread. You may want to search the Psychedelic Experience forum for more discussions about visuals.

I had to trip many, MANY times before I saw full visuals. While some cube 'Strains' may be more visual than others, that is only part of the solution. Dosage is very important. The more you eat, the more you see. Also, some people need practice to get visuals. I find nature and weed BOTH help bring visuals to the forefront of a trip.


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    #11222162 - 10/10/09 04:40 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I find nature and weed BOTH help bring visuals to the forefront of a trip.




with some Dancing Tigers, I was blinded by all the hallucinations,
had to have my wife put me in bed so I didnt walk into things.:crazy2:

but :offtopic: in this thread.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11222306 - 10/10/09 05:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck off topic. This is where the mods would send such discussion if it were posted in the Cult Forum.

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    #11347502 - 10/29/09 06:09 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

What strain(s) do you guys find to be the most visual? :w0ahhhhmahnnn:


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    #11349640 - 10/29/09 11:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

So a cube is a cube except for PE is the general consensus around here.  Now does this also apply to APE and PEU?  Are APE and PEU fruits as potent as PE?  More potent than other cubes but not as PE?


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    #11351060 - 10/30/09 09:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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So a cube is a cube except for PE is the general consensus around here.




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    #11352144 - 10/30/09 12:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

It IS the consensus around here that PE is special, but there is no scientific proof that the very popular PE is anything other than a unique looking cube.

Still, everybody should give it a try.


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    #11355887 - 10/31/09 03:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

PE is a FUNKY cube...if it even IS one

its an alien

a freakin freak man...never hollow, flesh is more like the flesh of a thick edible. no veil. the ones i picked the other day were almost like sand...or like wet white sawdust if i squished em :lol:


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    #11356239 - 10/31/09 06:57 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

PE is DEFINITELY more potent for some reason.


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    #11368469 - 11/02/09 10:21 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I just tried the Cambo strain for the first time and I'm pretty stoked about how fast it colonizes. It's faster than any other strain I've ever used.


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    #11372676 - 11/02/09 07:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

You know what would be interesting......

If someone bought the same "Strain" spore syringes of one of the classic, older P. Cubenis types (such as PE Classic for example) from 3 or more different sites, fruited them under the same conditions (same substrate, incubation temperatures, fruiting parameters, etc.), and then compared the fruits side-by-side to see their similarities/differences.

Maybe someone has already done this? Anyone know any shrooMembers who have done this? Perhaps the variability of multi-spore syringes would just make them all look different, making the experiment to uncontrolled for variables? I'm hoping because its one of the classic P. Cubenis "strains" that Cervantes phenotypical characteristics.

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    #11385231 - 11/04/09 02:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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You know what would be interesting......

If someone bought the same "Strain" spore syringes of one of the classic, older P. Cubenis types (such as PE Classic for example) from 3 or more different sites, fruited them under the same conditions (same substrate, incubation temperatures, fruiting parameters, etc.), and then compared the fruits side-by-side to see their similarities/differences.

Maybe someone has already done this? Anyone know any shrooMembers who have done this? Perhaps the variability of multi-spore syringes would just make them all look different, making the experiment to uncontrolled for variables? I'm hoping because its one of the classic P. Cubenis "strains" that Cervantes phenotypical characteristics.

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wouldn't really prove anything, all MS is crap shoot.

on another note, i may trade prints with someone and my choices are;

Cambo            Panama
Argentina        Wollagong
Na Muang        Colorado
and MDK ( btw, what does this stand for? )

i'm on the side of a cube is a cube argument, but it is my understanding that a few strains are different. which of the above strains would you say actually has outstanding or unique traits, if any?


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    #11386512 - 11/04/09 05:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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wouldn't really prove anything, all MS is crap shoot.




I was afraid of that. Multi-spore is that variable huh? Even in older varieties that have been "bred" for certain traits over many years?

So I'm guessing the only way to do a proper comparison would be a strain isolate on agar? I'm sure some mad scientist here has done that to multiple brands of the same "strain", I just have to find this mythical scientist on here...

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I'm on the side of a cube is a cube argument, but it is my understanding that a few strains are different. which of the above strains would you say actually has outstanding or unique traits, if any?




Remember, like Cervantes said in the original post, a strain is when 2 spores come together a create dikaryotic (literally "two-kernels" or 2 unique DNA sets) mycelium. As for spore prints and syringe solutions, there's just varieties or "races" of the same species. The name "Strain" is used by commercial spore companies to make it sound more "weed-like" as weed has a wide variety of actual strains. The term "Mushroom Strain" is nothing more than false advertising.

Out of the "varieties" you listed, I'd say MDK has the most unique traits, since it has a unique name. But that's my speculation: I have no idea what it looks like. That Wollagong and Na Muang sounds pretty cool, try it out. I know for sure that Penis Envy, PE Albino and Redboy are unique, novelty varieties, but I'm sure there's more.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #11386736 - 11/04/09 06:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with artizen when it comes to different brand name cubes.

While there are often differences between different brands of cubes, it is very hard to show the differences with just one grow (even if you used an isolate).

There is just enough variety from one grow to the next (even with well domesticated cubes) to confuse things.

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    #11386746 - 11/04/09 06:08 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

MDK= mex dutch king


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    #11390467 - 11/05/09 10:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

The MDK is by far my favorite Race, fast colonizing, contam resistant and an excellent fruiter, Hautla is the exact opposite.
Na Muang had the most character and larger gill spacings compared to other races.
Most Potent strain that i have had is the Transkie,, Haven't tried the PE yet.
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    #11391859 - 11/05/09 02:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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R44
According to Ralphster:

"A few years ago, I tried my luck with foraging, and found several very nice strains, Unfortunately my labeling left something to be desired, so the location will have to be set as the Southern States.

After 2 years of trail and work, my suppliers have finally sent me something I can be proud to present to you… the R44.

Think dense fruits, with heavy stems an mid to large size caps, heavy spore drops and excellent potency. I’m certain you will be pleased.

An excellent addition to any collection."

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That is actually a picture of one of my cakes from 4 years ago that i gave to ralph to put up on the site.
after some emails with him, he revealed to me that it was a strain originating from Mississippi.

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    #11391904 - 11/05/09 02:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Ive been tryin to trade or get some R-44 from the free spore thread but I keep getting shafted on trades. :shrug:


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    #11392054 - 11/05/09 03:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Ive been tryin to trade or get some R-44 from the free spore thread but I keep getting shafted on trades. :shrug:



im sorry but i dont have any r44 left, i kept it going in a lc till last year but dropped and shattered it :/  i constantly move around

yep.. all i got left is malabar and s.a. :frown:

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    #11439799 - 11/12/09 10:01 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Does anyone here have any experience with Tak Mountain??  It will be my first experiment and I was thinking of trying B+ but that seemed so common that I considered trying something different and Tak Mountain was my favorite looking.  Any experience with that strain?  Anyone?


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    #11439825 - 11/12/09 10:07 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

should be as good as the rest.:stoned:

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    #11489429 - 11/19/09 09:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, the "Tak Mountain" variety sounds interesting!

Never heard of it. Curious of what it looks like.

Is it from the wonderful world of Smurfland where shrooms become houses? Maybe from the Mountain ranges of Argentina, where its so cold, the mushroom needs to grow a fur coat to stay alive?

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    #11522358 - 11/24/09 08:11 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Has anyone heard of a "Penis Envy Hawaiian" strain?
I looked around a lot on the forum and found NO info on it, but a few people have said to have it...
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    #11522572 - 11/24/09 08:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Is the "Hawaiian Penis Envy" strain the one where the entire mushroom is colored dark-brown and the head/cap smells like a pineapple?

Is it also usually found growing inside the "Haole Hole" Mushroom strain?

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    #11522747 - 11/24/09 09:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I have no Idea what it looks like or anything.
All I asked is if it existed.
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    #11523115 - 11/24/09 09:59 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

No, he is thinking of PESH... which is Pacifica Exotica Spora Hawaiian, not PE Hawaiian. Not the first time this mistake has been made.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11523295 - 11/24/09 10:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm: thank you for clearing this up. dose it happen that much? what the fuck do they think the S stands for?


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    #11526329 - 11/25/09 12:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Oh no, the person that I was talking to for sure said that is is Penis Envy Hawaiian. I know what PESH is. Maybe they were either bullshitting me or just mixing up the names and thought it was PEH:tongue:


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    #11527658 - 11/25/09 04:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

And again, he was thinking of PESH and was confused.

It is not the first time this mistake has been made... but be assured, there are NO PE Hawaiians on the market. And, there is no such thing as a native Hawaiian cube.


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    #11555311 - 11/30/09 12:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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To my knowledge, Workman has done the most studies of different cube 'Strains'.

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    #11556384 - 11/30/09 03:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #11558084 - 11/30/09 07:25 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I found it especially humorous when I found out that Psilocybe cubensis isn't even native to Hawaii!!

Marketing ploy for sure. Sort of like that other cubensis strain called "Blue Meanies"... Copelandia cyanescens are the real Blue Meanies.


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    #11560576 - 12/01/09 04:37 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

How many species of anything are 'native' to hawaii. It's a giant mass of lava rock that sprung up in the middle of the ocean not too long ago.


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    #11562619 - 12/01/09 12:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Plenty...

Things evolved on Hawaii too... there are unique and native Hawaiian plants, fungus, birds... even mammals.

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fact...yet


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    #11562806 - 12/01/09 12:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #11563720 - 12/01/09 02:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i shouldnt have been lazy when we got that storm
shoulve innocd right b4 :frown:
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    #11569144 - 12/02/09 09:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

What type of strain do you guys suggest i use? i am new at this.. I want something easy thats know to produce large flushes. Im prob going to use ralphsters


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    #11569189 - 12/02/09 09:57 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Get the Strain of the Month. Can't go wrong, it's a winner every time.


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    #11569511 - 12/02/09 11:00 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What type of strain do you guys suggest i use? i am new at this.. I want something easy thats know to produce large flushes. Im prob going to use ralphsters




yup, order any cubensis that sounds cool to you then put SOTM on your order form then you get a fee cube strain to use. :super:


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    #11570038 - 12/02/09 12:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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What type of strain do you guys suggest i use? i am new at this.. I want something easy thats know to produce large flushes. Im prob going to use ralphsters




The first post in this thread (Before the 'strain' listings)should answer your question in detail.

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    #11570368 - 12/02/09 01:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

It depends.

All of the strains are almost the same... They all have minor differences though, but they all have the same growth parameters.

For some reason though, Penis Envy, in my case anyways, only fruits at higher temperatures, then once you get pins you can lower the temps. Penis Envy is also more potent than all of the other strains for some reason too.

Don't ask why, just believe. :grin:

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    #11588470 - 12/05/09 03:16 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Are Panaeolus strains as potent? or more potent than regular cubes????


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    #11588733 - 12/05/09 06:17 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

its a different species, not strain. yes more potent


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    #11589746 - 12/05/09 11:18 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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its a different species, not strain. yes more potent





its a different strain, not species, its still a mushroom. 
like azure to cube is a different strain.    different names in cubes are substrains. :thumbup:

but yeah, they can be more potent than cubes. :mushroom2:


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    #11589858 - 12/05/09 11:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

alright, got it... has anyone had any experience with the ATL#7???  I see it here and there and am trying to keep up with grows...


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    #11590015 - 12/05/09 12:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

just got done with my first try at ATLs.




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    #11590887 - 12/05/09 02:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

how were they? opening mine sometime this week


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    #11592058 - 12/05/09 05:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

greatness. :grin:  smooth and visual with out the body buzz.


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    #11592176 - 12/05/09 06:03 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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its a different species, not strain. yes more potent





its a different strain, not species, its still a mushroom. 
like azure to cube is a different strain.    different names in cubes are substrains. :thumbup:

but yeah, they can be more potent than cubes. :mushroom2:




Sorry, but this is incorrect. Cubes are a different SPECIES than pans (linguistically at least). They are both mushrooms which make you trip when you eat them... semantics are a bitch.

I hardly care anymore if someone uses the incorrect word, as long as I can make sense of their post. At least today, everybody made sense.


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    #11592984 - 12/05/09 08:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I want me some ATL now...:thumbup: sometimes I can't handle the body buzzz....hard to walk lol:grin:


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I want me some ATL now...:thumbup: sometimes I can't handle the body buzzz....hard to walk lol:grin:


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    #11614473 - 12/09/09 01:10 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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its a different species, not strain. yes more potent





its a different strain, not species, its still a mushroom. 
like azure to cube is a different strain.    different names in cubes are substrains. :thumbup:

but yeah, they can be more potent than cubes. :mushroom2:




I agree with Cervantes...Psilocybe cubenis and Panaeolus cyanescens (aka Coplendia cyanescens) are completely different species from 2 different Genus, meaning you can't have a hybrid of both species and actually produce a mushroom. Actually, you can't have a hybrid between 2 species inside the same Genus, unless genetic engineering gets advanced enough that its possible.

These mushrooms are *not* the same because of different Genus and Species names: Psilocybe and Panalonous are 2 different Genus and the name's cubenis and cyanescens are the species name. Also note that Psilocybe cyanescens is a completely different mushroom than Panaeolus cyanescens, but ironically, they have similar weight-to-alkaloid potency ratios. So, not to confuse them use Pan or Pan. cyans. for the tropical species and cyanescens or Ps. cyans for the cold-weather temperate species.

But you're right, "different names in cubes are substrains". They are also called "varieties" of Cubenis. Hope that clears up some of the confusion and misinformation about the differences between active species and strains.

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Ligers and mules?




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    #11618687 - 12/09/09 04:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I just started growing some puerto rican cubensis. Im interested in starting as many different strains as I can. if any one has any info on how to come across as many different cube strains as possible that would be most appreciated :smile:


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    #11619059 - 12/09/09 05:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

is that you in the pic. if so....:borat:


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    #11619460 - 12/09/09 06:02 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

www.ralphstersspores.com has the most variety of cube strains.


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I'm wondering that too! Is that girl with the black hair the mushroom grower?! Is so, that completly changes my perspective on hot girls who wear hot tops. Who knew babes were shrooming up this whole time. Its Crazy!

The hand in photo #1 looks pretty close to the second photo, but I'm no hand expert...

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    #11621044 - 12/09/09 11:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Ligers and mules?




Yes, you're correct, lions and tigers are from the same Genus Panthera, and they can hybridize. But in the context of that statement, I was refering to mushrooms specifically. Unless you something I don't know: have any 2 mushroom species ffrom the same Genus hybridized?

I know variaties of Ps. cubenis have (The albino Penis Envy, for example), but 2 species? Seems possible, considering lions and tigers are much more derived and complex than mushrooms, but I've never heard of such a mad-scientist mutant mushroom creature here.

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    #11621087 - 12/09/09 11:16 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I believe RR did a Pan Cyan - cube cross.  :strokebeard:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8968019#8968019


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11621123 - 12/09/09 11:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

More research needs to be done. His project has been shelved... perhaps permanently. More needs to be published by RR before we know exactly what he has... but his work does look promising.


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    #11621134 - 12/09/09 11:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11621292 - 12/10/09 12:10 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, that's cool. I figured mR. Rabbit would be the one cultivator experimenting with a hybrid...

Anyone know where I can find a photo of that "Pan. Cyans. and Ps. Cubenis mycelium coming together at 12'o'clock position" photo he discusses in that thread 13shrooms posted called "Hybrid selection methods"? Maybe you know where to find that photo Cervantes?

Also, to try to keep on topic with this thread: what "variaty" of Ps. cubenis did he use?.....

Which strain/variaty of P. Cubenis would be the best for such a hybrid experiment with Pan. Cyans.?

All very interesting stuff. I would love to see someone else attempt and suceed, but I'm sure "hybrid mushroom cultivation" is for ultra-experts in cultivations. I can see why he choose Pan. Cyans. and P. Cubenis: they are both tropical species which grow on the same substrate in the wild (cow/horse dung). Mind-blowing stuff, I tell ya...

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    #11621341 - 12/10/09 12:30 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I know how you can get some new strains. There isn't a man on here that wouldn't trade some prints for a nekkid pic or two.:boobs::super:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Dragonaut]
    #11623468 - 12/10/09 12:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Drag... come on. Guys, come on. This is not a thread about hot chicks, it is about mycology. Acting like a bunch of creepy hornballs, is a great way to keep people with good genetics from posting on this site.

Trish, depending on where you live, you probably don't want to post such incriminating pics on a public forum.

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    #11623498 - 12/10/09 12:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I'd say she's got some good genetics :wink:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11623509 - 12/10/09 12:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Acting like a bunch of creepy hornballs, is a great way to keep people with good genetics from posting on this site.





:rofl2::lmafo::congrats:

to stay on topic:
Anybody working with any rare or rarely seen on shroomery strains?

dont see too many "red/rust spored" cubes being worked on. :shrug:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11623874 - 12/10/09 01:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Trish is my friend :facepalm:
guys jumping on it like flys on shit :cuteshit::poop:
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I helped her get her cakes started with a Puerto Rican syringe I got from a vendor.
and I tossed her a PF Classic cake nocced up about 14 days ago with a syringe that didnt have much spores in it,
the growth was real spotty for a while,
so I shotup the rest of the syringe into the jars,
and they seem to be doin fine now :thumbup:

I can verify that Trish is a cool girl, really into mycology;
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11625139 - 12/10/09 04:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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to stay on topic:
Anybody working with any rare or rarely seen on shroomery strains?

dont see too many "red/rust spored" cubes being worked on. :shrug:




I grew a batch of PF reds, MS LC to WBS to h.shit and every single mushroom did not print.

I also tried to cross two cubes, one being CRS to try to get the 'red spore gene' and all shrooms had purple spores.

Double fail.
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    #11625164 - 12/10/09 04:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #11625352 - 12/10/09 05:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

(Cervantes braces himself for the inevitable redhead joke.)


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11627367 - 12/10/09 11:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

> Does the spores match the drapes?

also...Looks like red spores are like redheads: they're both sexy unicorns of the mushroom world.

Back on topic: I enjoy growing just the mycelium and then extracting it for a personal exploration.

My question:
Which variety of P. cubenis has the most containment-resistant and fastest-growing mycelium than any other variety? Also, do some varieties of P. cubenis have more potent mycelium than others? If so, which ones?

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11628536 - 12/11/09 06:49 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

13... I have not really figured out where to post this question. I am so confused I am not really even sure what my question is.
What happened was a friend sent me several spore prints. EQ, GT and Psilocybe semilanceata. Now at the time I didn't realise what Psilocybe semilanceata was, I figured it was just another cube. So, long story short I made up several syringes with that print and inncoulated six BRF jars with it also.

It is colonising REALLY slowly, but not contamed. Now I see there is probably no hope at all of birthing those and treating them like the rest of my cakes. I can't figure out what to do with the jars since it's now the middle of winter.

I also don't know what to do with the syringes, I am not sure if I want to try to grow them outside later or what. But the most pressing issue is, what to do with the cakes? I thought about feeding them to the birds, like mixing them in with their seed. I don't suppose the verm would hurt them and if I made the ratio right they wouldn't get too high:)

I am open to ideas about what to do with these,I don't think they are ever really going to fully colonise on BRF.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: VictoriaPandora]
    #11628890 - 12/11/09 08:11 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i would put them in the fridge until you figure out
what you are going to do with them

they will last some time in there

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    #11628967 - 12/11/09 08:40 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, it might be better. I just moved them to a slightly warmer area to see if they would fully colonise but as far as I know they won't colonise that BRF.
They aren't rhizo at all, very wispy like they are struggling along a bit.


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    #11629664 - 12/11/09 11:04 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

save'em till next spring and find a nice outdoor patch to crumble and bury them.  nature works wonders. :sun:

but here is something you can try if you want with the rest of your spores. :grin:

Lib grow

I would love to trade you for your lib syringes:syringe: but I dont have anything for trade at the moment.:strokebeard:


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    #11629711 - 12/11/09 11:12 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I would love to trade you for your lib syringes:syringe: but I dont have anything for trade at the moment.:strokebeard:




im sure you could find something
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11630044 - 12/11/09 12:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, just drop me a PM about those syringes. I have way more than I expect to need. I am rather fond of the cubes, especially for now since it's so cold outside.

I have GT's and EQ's but I'd be happy to try a different strain, no rush though.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: VictoriaPandora]
    #11630139 - 12/11/09 12:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11702521 - 12/22/09 08:00 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I am very new to shroomery and it's brilliant, this thread is amazing and I am already impressed with how many awesome dudes are on shroomery!


Keep up the great work and I look forward to meeting some of you as I embark upon my first cube growing attempt.


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    #11703914 - 12/23/09 12:48 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I am very new to shroomery and it's brilliant, this thread is amazing and I am already impressed with how many awesome dudes are on shroomery!


Keep up the great work and I look forward to meeting some of you as I embark upon my first cube growing attempt.




Im pretty new myself, and I will agree with the fact that there are a lot of cool peeps on here.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: ImaginingEmotions]
    #11739947 - 12/29/09 08:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

DUUUUUUDE my cambos are stalled or something...
day 10 in my modified shotgun/PMP fruiting chamber.
temps are 66-69F.....KOWABUNGA DUDE!#@$@^$%*:thumbdown::mad2:
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    #11754969 - 01/02/10 05:26 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

It pretty good, but it is missing a few common strains.


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    #11755339 - 01/02/10 06:21 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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It pretty good, but it is missing a few common strains.




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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
    #11755390 - 01/02/10 06:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I am trying to add a strain to the list.
Bay Islands, Roatan-Honduras.
What kind of imfo should I be keeping logs of?
Ive got nocc date and % colonized per week period ya know.
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    #11755751 - 01/02/10 07:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I am trying to add a strain to the list.
Bay Islands, Roatan-Honduras.
What kind of imfo should I be keeping logs of?
Ive got nocc date and % colonized per week period ya know.
anything else I should be keeping track of so I can get the best info I can about the strain?




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I am trying to add a strain to the list.
Bay Islands, Roatan-Honduras.
What kind of imfo should I be keeping logs of?
Ive got nocc date and % colonized per week period ya know.
anything else I should be keeping track of so I can get the best info I can about the strain?




Was that a wild print that you collected?



it is a keepers strain that came from thehawkseye in a syringe.:thumbup:


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    #11759513 - 01/03/10 02:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Is there any potency difference between PE, PEU, APE and PE6?


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    #11759630 - 01/03/10 03:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Potency isn't a matter of the strain you're growing!

Although it seems, that PE is more potent than other strains, it probably isn't. At least not always.

Maybe the actual strain, the later PE was isolated from, was very potent by coincidence, and this might have been dragged for many generations, but my experience showed me, that -although the first PE's I had from a grow were kick ass in terms of potency (just as plenty of other strains were)- the PE strain doesn't guarantees high potency! The ones I had two weeks later were just average in their potency, although I had them air tight in a freezer!

PE6 in my experience was just as potent as any other strain (including the PE).

Don't know about the others, but I highly doubt they are any more potent than other strains.


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    #11759725 - 01/03/10 03:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

:scaryshroom::thumbup:  what he said. :grin:


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    #11759776 - 01/03/10 03:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

capochino said:
It pretty good, but it is missing a few common strains.




yeah cervantes is a slacker :poke:

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EXACTLY! I am a professional slacker. Good to see you TCO!

Heh, I will update this all eventually... probably in the Summer.

Many people have submitted pics, reports, corrections and updated profiles. I promise these additions have not been lost or forgotten. I just don't have the time to adjust this thread every time a new piece of info comes out.

Hey capo... what COMMON 'Strain' is missing? It sounds to me like you protest a bit too much. I know we're missing a couple lesser known cubes but nothing even remotely common. Is there a more complete listing of cubes anywhere online? :tongue:


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    #11760374 - 01/03/10 05:08 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Is there a more complete listing of cubes anywhere online?

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    #11761018 - 01/03/10 07:02 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Is there a more complete listing of cubes anywhere online? :tongue:




Not to my knowledge. :super:

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    #11766438 - 01/04/10 04:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That's neither here nor there...

PE is more potent than other strains, but the different PE strains are probably the same.


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    #11766447 - 01/04/10 04:18 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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That's neither here nor there...

PE is more potent than other strains, but the different PE strains are probably the same.




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    #11766472 - 01/04/10 04:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Proof of what?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11766483 - 01/04/10 04:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Proof of what you just said.

Can you prove PE is more potent? I'd love to be able to prove that point. I can't.

Can you prove the other PE 'Strains' are 'The same'?

You made a blanket statement, and I'd love to see you back it up with something solid... otherwise you are at risk of spreading misinformation.

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    #11767125 - 01/04/10 06:38 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Well on 2 grams of PE a mop was crawling out from under a door and going to eat my ol' lady, and she said the walls were alive and that every noise freaked her out. 2 grams of Treasure Coast is just right for her, no freaking out or man eating mops. I know it is not proof, just experiences. But the scientific process has to start with a hypothesis, then the fact finding. I am interested in the out come of this.


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    #11767183 - 01/04/10 06:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, there is a metric-fuck-ton's worth of evidence that PE is more potent than average... just no proof. Any takers?


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    #11767218 - 01/04/10 06:51 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

is PE a "super-cube" of sorts...beause it is a mutant-strain?


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    #11767240 - 01/04/10 06:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I wrote all I could uncover in the PE profile at the start of this thread.


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    #11767291 - 01/04/10 07:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I have certainly read what is there,
it doesnt say anything about its origins as a mutant strain being the basis for the increased potency.
if the mutant part of its gentics increased potency why wouldnt Albinos be the same way?
I was just wondering if that is why :shrug:


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    #11767355 - 01/04/10 07:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder the same thing. If I can ever prove anything more, I'll post it.

Fact is, PE's origins and nature are all shrouded in mystery.


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    #11767385 - 01/04/10 07:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I can definetly see how that effects pinning-down quality information about the strain.
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    #11769753 - 01/05/10 11:17 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Proof of what you just said.

Can you prove PE is more potent? I'd love to be able to prove that point. I can't.

Can you prove the other PE 'Strains' are 'The same'?

You made a blanket statement, and I'd love to see you back it up with something solid... otherwise you are at risk of spreading misinformation.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but stating opinion as fact can cause problems.




I have no proof but to test this theory I gave out my APE fruits at a party. Roughly, two dozen people took these mushrooms and 100% reports told me they were the most potent and best mushrooms they ever had. I gave to prior information or bias to distort my opinion. Very few knew I grew them or even supplied the part, someone else passed them out. But the opinion has always been the same...best they had ever tried. In my years of experience these have effected more gram for gram than any other. While no proof that this is true, a lot of people say the same consistent things.


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    #11769816 - 01/05/10 11:33 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Although I have seen many people reporting extraordinary potency of PE in here (and as I already said, I once experienced it myself, though on other occasions I didn't) a party full of tripping people is probably not the best way to test the potency of a mushroom.

The experience I made in terms of "group tripping" were, that every time I did it, the results of the regular amounts of mushrooms I had were tremendous.
It seems as if the power of the mushrooms was exponentiated. I know of several people who made the same experience multiple times. And here we are again. I can't prove it, but my experience showed that it's part of my reality.

Anyway, since there obviously ain't any test results we can "rely" on, we have to rely on peoples subjective opinions about this.

I myself, don't think PE is constantly more potent than other strains. But this is just me and I know that most people who had it, see it differently.

I say: Fuck this topic! There's nothing that wasn't already talked about:shrug:


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    #11770466 - 01/05/10 01:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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    #11770568 - 01/05/10 02:12 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Great observation. I should have explained more. I agree with you though. I should say the party consisted of 12-15 people and the rest were individual accounts that were unrelated. From all experienced people too which totaled to around 24.


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    #11770772 - 01/05/10 02:42 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Had these people eaten your other mushrooms?

My FOAFs say my regular shrooms are better than anything they've ever had. Again and again, different strains, whatever.
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    #11772100 - 01/05/10 05:32 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think with the time and agar effort ANY strain can be that WOW strain, you just need to get a good isolate. :mushroom2:


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    #11772337 - 01/05/10 06:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That I don't know 13. I wonder about the PE's potency and lean more to the side of the reason it is more potent is that the fruit bodies are alot more dense than most cubes. But I wonder if there are different chemicals in it that have not been uncovered.


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    #11773135 - 01/05/10 07:43 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

how on earth could there be undiscovered new active chemicals in a strain of cubes?? :confused:


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    #11773154 - 01/05/10 07:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I've always wondered if the different levels of different alkaloids have an effect. Potentiate each other, or whatever.
But I have no way to even begin to explore the concept, you'd need quite a lab.


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    #11774361 - 01/05/10 11:27 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I rarely grow... and when I do, they ain't cubes (usually). So, sadly, I am the wrong person to do this work.

That said... a simple extraction of multiple 'Strains' including PE would be a good way to start. Which one extracts the most lovin'?

What else could be done?

I also suspect that PE is not only potent, but unique. A PE trip does not exactly seem like a cube trip so psylocibin may not be the only thing which makes it tick.


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    #11774639 - 01/06/10 01:04 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Haha:tongue2:! I laugh because the above mentioned ideas were something I thought about, when I was writing my last post in this thread. In the end, I decided to write something that that is -at least a little- less speculative.

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I wonder about the PE's potency and lean more to the side of the reason it is more potent is that the fruit bodies are a lot more dense than most cubes




I thought about this, but then came to the conclusion, that in terms of weight, you don't make any differences between PE and other strains.
However, I thought about the density as a factor, that prevents the the "inner parts" of the fruit body to get into contact with air and therefore the active compounds to react with oxygen, making it lose less "magic material" than strains that are more "thin walled".
But this again would mean, that any huge ass and dense specimen of no matter what strain, would be extra potent. But this is obviously not the case (actually  all the times I consumed very big specimens, they appeared to be weaker than smaller ones (have to say, that I let them let mature pretty much).

Another thought of mine, was (and this is most vague, because It's based only on pictures of people posting their harvests around here, while I don't really know how long they regularly wait until they harvest other, normal looking Cubes) that PE fruits are regularly harvested in earlier maturity states, maybe because it's a lot harder to see weather they're mature or not.
Single specimens flat their caps a little, while most of them don't do it all. So in the end, this would mean, that you actually harvest pre mature specimens, that didn't really had the opportunity to lose potency (bringing us back to the veil break theory).
As I said: very vague:tongue2:

Maybe it has something to do with poor spore production. Energy that is spared to produce more active chemicals:shrug: (for what ever reason)

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how on earth could there be undiscovered new active chemicals in a strain of cubes?? :confused:




When we take a look at the genus Gymnopilus, more precise on the species Gymnopilus spectabilis, we notice, that -although -up until now- the microscopic features are the same- the species is active in the US, Japan and Canada, while in Europe it isn't. In addition there was a new active -yet unknown- chemical found in Japanese specimens.

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I've always wondered if the different levels of different alkaloids have an effect. Potentiate each other, or whatever.




So did I. And it seems, that this is very likely.
When we take the yet gathered knowledge about the alkaloid content of different species, we can roughly calculate the potential amounts of Psilocin, Psilocybin and Baeocystin, contained in the particular specimens of a species.
Now, when we take 2,5 gram of Psilocybe cubensis and another time only about 1,2 gr. Psilocybe azurescens or Panaeolus cyanescens or 1,5 gr. of Psilocybe cyanescens etc. we notice, that the effect of the Cubes isn't as intense as the effect of the other species we consumed, although -in terms of calculation- Psilocybe cubensis should have contained more active substance, than the other consumed species.
While this might have something to do with the time the compounds need to be absorbed by the "body" (a smaller amount won't take as long to be filtered for activeness as a larger amount), we notice a difference in the style of the trips.
Now I speck from my experience:
Cubes appear to be a species, that brain fucks you pretty hard, while providing only little visual alternation when dosed moderately. On the other hand they seem to be very "friendly" and produce tons of giggles.
Azures and Cyans (so wood loving mushrooms) seem to be much more visual, but also "darker" and more earthy in their trip. They seem to provide a more mystical trip, that's pretty emotional.
Copes are the most visual species in my experience, while mostly leaving your emotions alone (at least when dosed low).

As I said, what they have all in common is, that they appear to be MUCH stronger, even when calculation says something different:shrug:

BTW: I've tested all sorts of Psilocybin extractions and the effects of extracted Psilocybin is completely different from the effects of whole fruits (at least in my experience)
So I suspect a strong interaction of chemicals, beside the one of Psilocin and Baeocystin.


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    #11774641 - 01/06/10 01:05 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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    #11775806 - 01/06/10 09:36 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Proof of what you just said.

Can you prove PE is more potent? I'd love to be able to prove that point. I can't.

Can you prove the other PE 'Strains' are 'The same'?

You made a blanket statement, and I'd love to see you back it up with something solid... otherwise you are at risk of spreading misinformation.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but stating opinion as fact can cause problems.




Even RR agrees that something about PE makes it more potent. I dunno why, but those that have consumed it also agree.


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    #11777821 - 01/06/10 03:23 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Even RR agrees that something about PE makes it more potent. I dunno why, but those that have consumed it also agree.




*MOST of those who have consumed it agree.

Again Mush, you made a blanket statement and disguised it as fact. I suspect you are correct... but you can not back up what you said with proof.

Mutant cubes tend to 'seem' more potent... but that may simply have to do with how they look. If someone eats a weird looking mushroom, it may give them the impression that the mushroom is more special than an average shroom. That change in mindset alone might impact a person's perception of potency.

More work needs to be done.

Like Fahk said, this is just speculation. There is a lot of evidence but no proof that PE is more potent than the average cube.

I'd love to see some REAL research done on this particular topic.


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    #11778031 - 01/06/10 03:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed Cervantes, would love to get thois avalance rolling to finally crack the mystery.


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    #11779181 - 01/06/10 06:27 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Even RR agrees that something about PE makes it more potent. I dunno why, but those that have consumed it also agree.




*MOST of those who have consumed it agree.

Again Mush, you made a blanket statement and disguised it as fact. I suspect you are correct... but you can not back up what you said with proof.

Mutant cubes tend to 'seem' more potent... but that may simply have to do with how they look. If someone eats a weird looking mushroom, it may give them the impression that the mushroom is more special than an average shroom. That change in mindset alone might impact a person's perception of potency.

More work needs to be done.

Like Fahk said, this is just speculation. There is a lot of evidence but no proof that PE is more potent than the average cube.

I'd love to see some REAL research done on this particular topic.




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    #11779263 - 01/06/10 06:40 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Make capsules of PE and some B+, give to friends without saying which is which. Note reactions. Repeat.


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    #11779397 - 01/06/10 06:54 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

It's too bad a sample couldn't be lab tested.


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    #11779421 - 01/06/10 06:56 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Just a matter of getting a lab together. One day soon, I'll find a GCMS on eBay...


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The capsules idea isn't bad.


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    #11781228 - 01/07/10 12:26 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

This would have to be done with MANY people and MANY times. Not impossible. But a pain in the ass to do.

There's SO many factors that play a role in terms of subjective potency perception (such as set, setting, food, general mood etc.), that this would have to be done over a long distance of time. Not to forget the potential different potency within the same grow, different flushes, different phenotypes, when cultivated from multispore knock ups etc, time of storage etc.

This is actually the reason for me not to make any final statements about the potency of different cube strains. As far as I can remember, I had different perceptions of potency of every single strain I've tested more than once yet.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Fahkface]
    #11781687 - 01/07/10 04:09 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You would just have to gather data as you went along. It might not take that long before a pattern showed up.
Or if there is no pattern, that tells you something too.


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    #11781720 - 01/07/10 04:34 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That and extractions... from say 3-5 different isolates of multiple cubes plus PE.

Not hard to do... but we'd need someone willing to do the leg work.

I already made this mutha'fucka' of a thread... now it is somebody else's turn.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11781739 - 01/07/10 04:52 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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That and extractions... from say 3-5 different isolates of multiple cubes plus PE.



I think you'd get more applicable results from multispore grows. Isolates might be abnormally weak or strong, but a MS grow should average out.

Extract or capsules, either way would work. :thumbup: You could even double-blind it if you had somebody else preparing the items.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Doc_T]
    #11781916 - 01/07/10 06:51 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I agree. If I did this, which I might, I would use MS to represent and average. I would also prefer extractions cause people might metabolize the solids at different rates. I wish I could get my hand on a couple dry ounces of a B+ flush that was also bunk to do a placebo as well...You could just give an alcoholic extraction without mushrooms added but it would be interesting to see if people tripped from something others did not.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: daytripper05]
    #11782529 - 01/07/10 09:42 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Well, when you're accurate, PE's an isolate as well and as it seems a pretty potent one, which -as we know- decreases the chance for weak fruits.
Taking fruits from MS grown batches is probably likely to distort the results. An isolate of "regular" potency (though there we'd have the problem of what's regular for a certain strain, or what's regular all in all) would be fair.

I definitely do not know enough people who take mushrooms regularly enough to start a representative study. Tripping is something the surroundings have a great influence on, so the set has to be the same for every person who takes the mushrooms (which includes music etc. (so it would be better if there was no music at all, because not all people have the same taste etc.)).
There must be rules about the time they had food before the trip etc. Many things to think about first, to guarantee a -at least in a way- representative test.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Fahkface]
    #11783962 - 01/07/10 01:25 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Good points Fahk,

I think measured extractions and a (double) blind taste test would be a step in the right direction... conclusive? I dunno.

I am curious about the differences between SW's PE and THE's PE as well, since their original specimens may have come from different sources (while Ralph's PE probably came indirectly from one of the two vendors listed above).

I'd also be interested in the potency of B+ (which does seem to come up bunk from time to time... ie: the opposite of PE). B+'s famed 'bunk' flushes fascinate me as much as PE's rumored high potency.

What would be a good 'average' cube to use in the middle?

MS does seem to be the best way to go.

I'd hope the spores used would come from legit vendors instead of from trades or FSR's... just so we could better track (and trust) the 'heritage' of the spore's genetics.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11784371 - 01/07/10 02:28 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11784347

Here's a link to the Potency Project thread I just started. Perhaps that thread will get more replies.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11790387 - 01/08/10 02:22 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Is PESH and Hawaiian the same strain?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: passenger]
    #11790393 - 01/08/10 02:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I can't confirm weather they are or they aren't... but they probably, at the very least, originated from the same genetics... and they aren't really Hawaiian. Wild Hawaiian cubes don't exist.


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    #11790543 - 01/08/10 02:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm. well i got PESH and Hawaiian. I don't know what to make of that.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: passenger]
    #11790713 - 01/08/10 03:18 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Neither do I... sorry.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: passenger]
    #11790802 - 01/08/10 03:33 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Wait, what does PESH stand for? Its starts off "Penis Envy..." right?

I need some clarification.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #11790816 - 01/08/10 03:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Pacifica Exotica Spora the name of the company that sold 'em.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11796847 - 01/09/10 02:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think I have said this before, but I would also have to attest to the B+ strain having an intense body high with mild visuals.
I can also add my opinion on the Penis Envy strain, very, very different from the B+ strain, a LOT stronger.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11796867 - 01/09/10 02:18 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
Wait, what does PESH stand for? Its starts off "Penis Envy..." right?

I need some clarification.

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Pacifica Exotica Spora the name of the company that sold 'em.





PES H = hawaiian
PES A = amazonian
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    #11798853 - 01/09/10 08:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Funny, because no cubensis are native to Hawaii.

It was a marketing ploy.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11798930 - 01/09/10 08:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Those liers!

But I will contest I found 2 HUGE mushrooms (on different occassions) busting out of cow pies when I was living on the Big Island of Hawaii. At first, I thought they were super-mutant Pan. cyans (the common mushroom over there), but I'm pretty sure it was a wild P. cubenis of some sort. I wish I had pictures to show you, it was a very rare find but it did happen, I swear!

I wonder if there are other strains in which the source is a totally fabrication...

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #11799633 - 01/09/10 11:48 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I wonder if there are other strains in which the source is a totally fabrication...




In what way? In the end all "strains" are Psilocybe cubensis with someone giving them a name. That however, doesn't mean there are any differences.
Every strain is able to produce every kind of fruit/potency. It's the same species.

Most of the "strains" are named after the area were they've been found (Koh Samui, Puerto Rico, Argentina etc.) and others were named to sound "cool"
B+, Golden Teacher, Blue Meanie etc.).

Totally fabricated "strains" are the ones from [url=http://psychedelic.com/psychedelic_cafe.htm]THIS
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Fahkface]
    #11803463 - 01/10/10 04:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think a good in the middle one is TC. It gives a good ride while you are on.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: mister]
    #11809237 - 01/11/10 03:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

While I have not had my different strains for tons of grow cycles I have to say Golden Teachers are really kind of nice! Just basically good lucking guys with agreeable effect! Keepers Creeper, meh.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Solipsis]
    #11836423 - 01/15/10 03:40 PM (2 years, 30 days ago)

I think PF and PE are also marketing ploys, however that PE is a nice ride for sure. :thumbup:


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    #11872169 - 01/21/10 11:50 AM (2 years, 24 days ago)

OK. has like someone had the (aparently ultimate and best psylocybe cubenisis) Golden Mammoth? the scientific name: psilocybe aureus tantus
I cannot find any information about this ANYWHERE on the web exept for sporepod where they sell a kit for this for great experiments n scientific research. it is supposed to b a magic mushroom ofcourse but WHY is there no information other than that sporepod site on the web about this?
Has anyone tasted this?




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golden mammoth is purty good
Golden mammoth has no effect
Shit, I almost dyed with Golden Mamooth(dangerous?)
I have more info on Golden Mammoth


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: tsukinamasan]
    #11872402 - 01/21/10 12:22 PM (2 years, 24 days ago)

As Roger Rabbit will tell you..."A cube is a cube" there is nothing special about this mushrooms...Its is just an advertisement......like the infomercials that make big promises  about blenders and shit that are just as good as the one you have at your house.


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    #11872680 - 01/21/10 12:58 PM (2 years, 24 days ago)

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    #11880905 - 01/22/10 05:08 PM (2 years, 23 days ago)

Hey guys, if you had to pick one strain to grow out of these 4, which would it be?
Amazon
Ban Hua Thanon
Ecuador
South American

I don't have the time to mess with all these, but just want one good one, for now. All spore syringes already acquired. Picks?


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    #11881029 - 01/22/10 05:26 PM (2 years, 23 days ago)

They are all good.

I'd go with Amazon... I have fond memories of that trip.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #11881275 - 01/22/10 06:08 PM (2 years, 23 days ago)

They are all essentially the same,
no strain guarenteeing better results than the next.
If I were you I would grow the South American or BHT,
take some sterile prints and trade them with other members,
those arnt as common around here as Amazon or EQ :thumbup:
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    #11886579 - 01/23/10 05:11 PM (2 years, 22 days ago)

Hello everyone, I hope this is the proper place to ask for strain advice. I'm about to buy one of the grab bag specials from sporeworks(can't beat those, really), but I wanted some advice before going ahead and buying. I'm getting two psilocybe 'strains' and I'm pretty sure I want PE and Mexicana. For the PE... I like the way albino looks, but it's a hybrid, so my question is, does it retain PE's potency/thickness? What about PF Uncut, any difference? As for the Mexicana, I know nothing about it other than it produces sclerotia. Sporeworks has a Strain-A and a Jalisco. If anyone knows anything about the differences, I'd love to hear it. Thanks in advance.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: TheAnimate]
    #11886672 - 01/23/10 05:28 PM (2 years, 22 days ago)

Mexicana isn't a strain of cubensis, it's another species.
As for PE, skip it. Avoid novelty strains and get one named for a person or place.


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    #11886805 - 01/23/10 05:54 PM (2 years, 22 days ago)

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They are all good.

I'd go with Amazon... I have fond memories of that trip.




I went with your advice, Cervantes. Thanks for helping out... the more I read about amazon, the more I like it. It seems like a real good pick. I think that the next runner up would be the ban hua thanon. I have this feeling that thai strains are some of the best... at least from what I've read.


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    #11887636 - 01/23/10 07:59 PM (2 years, 22 days ago)

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    #11910246 - 01/27/10 06:41 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

I had a question regarding nomenclature.  I'm not a mycologist or scientist even, but from what I've noticed, when a new "strain" of a certain species is found, it is labeled as something like "Amanita Muscaria var. Flavivolvata", just as an example.  Why don't we do this for cubensis instead of inaccurately calling them strains?  I know we're trying to change that by calling them races, but why don't we just stick with the system that is already in place and call them variations instead?  For example, var. Ecuador, var. PE, etc.  Is there some reason that we can't use this term?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #11910293 - 01/27/10 07:12 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

It's really not any more accurate.
They aren't strains, they aren't varieties of a species.
"Race" is closer, but even that isn't correct.

In terms of human biology, I think 'family' is about the closest term.
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    #11910346 - 01/27/10 07:34 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

I disagree, I think it is more accurate than strain, simply because strain has no official usage in mycology, while var. does.  According to wikipedia: 

"In botanical nomenclature, variety is a taxonomic rank below that of species: As such, it gets a ternary name (a name in three parts).

A variety will have an appearance distinct from other varieties, but will hybridize freely with those other varieties (if brought into contact). Usually varieties will be geographically separate from each other."

The term family is already reserved for the larger group above genus, and race or strain don't have any legitimate usage in the mycology community, so I think since variety is the only term that has official usage, especially given it's definition, it's the most fitting.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #11910446 - 01/27/10 08:16 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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A variety will have an appearance distinct from other varieties,




Which is generally not true of cubenis strains.

What about 'clan'? Does that work better?


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    #11910525 - 01/27/10 08:35 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

While in definition I do agree that clan is better, like I said, var. is the only currently accepted scientific word that would fit our purposes.  Just because we aren't skilled enough to be able to distinguish one variety from the next doesn't mean that each variety doesn't have it's own macroscopic particularities.  There are definitely some distinguishing features from each strain, like the bulgy bases that sometimes occur in EQ, the larger fruits that occur in SA, the short stocky fruits in KS and KSSS, obviously PE's uniqueness.  Other differences in certain varieties may be subtle, but they do exist.  Just because they don't occur every single time, it's still in their genetics, and each variety has a unique set of genetics from every other variety.

If these differences didn't occur, I don't think it would even be appropriate to call them strains or any other individual unique name, but they do, so if we're going to be giving them unique names based primarily on their geographical location and secondarily on their appearance, and we're trying to keep consistent with the rest of the mycology community, I think we should be using their terminology, especially if we want to appear knowledgeable.


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    #11910531 - 01/27/10 08:37 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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and we're trying to keep consistent with the rest of the mycology community




We ARE the mycological community, as far as this term goes.
A commercial cultivator of edibles or medicinals buys a strain that is really a strain in the biological sense.


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    #11910543 - 01/27/10 08:40 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

Yea, but that's only if the a strain is isolated can it truly be called a strain.  A sample collected in nature that is unique from another sample collected somewhere would be a variety.  So I guess PE is technically a strain, but everything else is a variety, or whatever term we decide fits?


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #11910556 - 01/27/10 08:44 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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A sample collected in nature that is unique from another sample collected somewhere would be a variety.




Not in the usual biological sense. We don't talk about Homo sapiens sinensis, for example, to describe humans from China.

I think the word you are searching for may be 'cultivar', as far as PE is concerned.
The rest of the strains just aren't different enough from each other to matter.


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    #11910590 - 01/27/10 08:49 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

All varieties of Psilocybe cubensis, that come from an isolated variation of the species probably could be considered a strain. But since the genetics within these isolates apparently also contain genetic information of their ancestors (at least the variety of different phenotypic features is huge within a single print from an isolated wild mushroom) this categorization isn't really appropriate.
The genetics are narrowed down to certain characteristics, increasing the tendencies for developing certain growing habits or shapes, but ain't a guarantee for them to develop.
It seems as if things are a little different with mushrooms than with other life forms:shrug:

When it comes to A.muscaria, it appears, that they were named in variants because of their constant phenotypic features. Within the seven variants are three subspecies (that show different taxonomic features).
When it comes to Cubes, the phenotypic features seem to be a lot less steady, which is probably the reason(or one of the reasons) why they ain't categorized in variants.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #11910606 - 01/27/10 08:53 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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While in definition I do agree that clan is better, like I said, var. is the only currently accepted scientific word that would fit our purposes.  Just because we aren't skilled enough to be able to distinguish one variety from the next doesn't mean that each variety doesn't have it's own macroscopic particularities.  There are definitely some distinguishing features from each strain, like the bulgy bases that sometimes occur in EQ, the larger fruits that occur in SA, the short stocky fruits in KS and KSSS, obviously PE's uniqueness.  Other differences in certain varieties may be subtle, but they do exist.  Just because they don't occur every single time, it's still in their genetics, and each variety has a unique set of genetics from every other variety.

If these differences didn't occur, I don't think it would even be appropriate to call them strains or any other individual unique name, but they do, so if we're going to be giving them unique names based primarily on their geographical location and secondarily on their appearance, and we're trying to keep consistent with the rest of the mycology community, I think we should be using their terminology, especially if we want to appear knowledgeable.




Microscopy particularities (spore size etc)would mean a difference in their taxonomy. That again, would make these different types subspecies, which they are not.

"Strains" such as PE or KSSS are isolates and not naturally ever again occurring shapes that are limited to a certain area.

You can pretty much grow any shape of mushroom from any "strain".


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    #11910712 - 01/27/10 09:12 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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A sample collected in nature that is unique from another sample collected somewhere would be a variety.




Not in the usual biological sense. We don't talk about Homo sapiens sinensis, for example, to describe humans from China.




We could if we wanted to though.  Here's webster's definition of variety:

"5. Biol.  A group of animals or plants related by descent, but distinguished from other similar groups only by characters considered too inconsistent or too trivial to entitle it to recognition as a species; often, any group of lower rank than a species."

That's sounds pretty damn fitting if you ask me.

I like the term cultivar for any strain that is isolated for certain traits.  That definitely works.

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Microscopy particularities (spore size etc)would mean a difference in their taxonomy. That again, would make these different types subspecies, which they are not.

"Strains" such as PE or KSSS are isolates and not naturally ever again occurring shapes that are limited to a certain area.

You can pretty much grow any shape of mushroom from any "strain".




I said "macroscopic", not "microscopic".

It's true that isolates are not naturally occurring and are not limited to a certain geographical region, but let's say that it was possible to cultivate A. Muscaria var. formosa, and I cultivated it in a place far from it's naturally occurring environment.  Just because I cultivated it in a different locale, is it now a different variety?

And I do agree that you can get any shape from any "strain", but strain is not an accurate description, so I'm just trying to find with the next best thing that has legitimate acceptance in the scientific community.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: libertaire]
    #11910740 - 01/27/10 09:18 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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I'm just trying to find with the next best thing that has legitimate acceptance in the scientific community.




I don't think that what we are using the term for has legitimate scientific merit.
So that's why I don't think you'll find a legitimate scientific word for it.

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    #11910758 - 01/27/10 09:22 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

I disagree.  Naming things based on their geographical location which as a result has caused variations in their particular set of genetics would certainly seem like it has scientific merit to me.


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    #11910764 - 01/27/10 09:24 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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    #11910786 - 01/27/10 09:29 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

Sorry for arguing the point into the ground, I tend to do that sometimes....:wow:

But the issue of whether strain is the proper terminology or not has been brought up before, so I just thought it was something people were interested in trying to resolve.


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    #11910931 - 01/27/10 09:57 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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I said "macroscopic", not "microscopic".





Oops, indeed!

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It's true that isolates are not naturally occurring and are not limited to a certain geographical region, but let's say that it was possible to cultivate A. Muscaria var. formosa, and I cultivated it in a place far from it's naturally occurring environment.  Just because I cultivated it in a different locale, is it now a different variety?





No! But this question doesn't really make much sense, when it's about this issue. At least I don't see it;)
Some varieties of the species Ps. cubensis have an increased tendency to develop certain characteristics.
As we see, when we cultivate them (and as we can see when they're growing wild), these are tendencies and nothing more. They can well look totally different from each other and still grow in the same spot.
Since I can't say if this is the same way with A. muscaria variations, i don't want to make a statement about it.

But what we know is, that with Psilocybe cubensis the fluctuation of phenotypic features is enormously, no matter where they come from and where they're cultivated.

Most people in here, who have dealt with these questions, don't really use the term "strain" with pleasure. When I do it, I do it to make myself clear.

In the end, I'd use the term phenotype for any Cube that has been cultivated and found. But that again would lead to confusion, because it couldn't really be separated weather I mean a phenotype of a certain "strain" or a phenotype of the species Psilocybe cubensis.

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I disagree.  Naming things based on their geographical location which as a result has caused variations in their particular set of genetics would certainly seem like it has scientific merit to me.





Only to a very limited degree! And that's exactly where the "problem" is. Since their phenotypic features vary at such a high rate, I wouldn't want it to state it that way.
Especially strains that don't have a unique look, which appears that often, because it was isolated from the wild prints, can't be distinguished. Neither can their growing habits.




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    #11911668 - 01/27/10 11:57 AM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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I'm just trying to find with the next best thing that has legitimate acceptance in the scientific community.




I don't think that what we are using the term for has legitimate scientific merit.
So that's why I don't think you'll find a legitimate scientific word for it.

But keep trying if you like. :shrug:




The trick is coming up with words which work both scientifically, and with stoner hippies. 'Strains' are most important to n00bs. Nomenclature is the hobby of veterans.

I am VERY open to suggestions.

I settled on 'Race', 'Variety' and 'Brand' not because they were scientifically accurate... but rather because the words represent differences which novice cubensis mycologists seem to hold dear.

One reason scientific terminology is (almost) impossible to use when it comes to cubes is this: The commercialization of multispore 'Strains'.

Multispore 'Strains' are not common in the 'Legit' mycological community... and therefore the 'Legit' terminology is annoyingly complicated.


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    #11913196 - 01/27/10 04:15 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

That's how I feel. While there are probably more correct ways of referring to a 'strain', the word 'strain' isn't going to stopped being used anytime soon until the people selling the spores start called them something else.

Of topic but on the same principle, people should stop referring to mushrooms as She like weed which has a definitive sex. Just as mushroom Races are not strains, they are not females either.

I like nomenclature and technical jargon pertaining to any field. I believe in being semantically correct. But it's hard to talk to people who won't understand the language, so I think most of us find ourselves using incorrect language just to allow for better communication through people who otherwise don't know.


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    #11913305 - 01/27/10 04:35 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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    #11913830 - 01/27/10 05:55 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

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I settled on 'Race', 'Variety' and 'Brand' not because they were scientifically accurate... but rather because the words represent differences which novice cubensis mycologists seem to hold dear.





I like variety. Race has too much human connotation. Brand isn't really analogous to strain, in the sense you're looking for.


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    #11914033 - 01/27/10 06:22 PM (2 years, 18 days ago)

None of those words are analogous to 'Strain'. Instead, the three words, 'Race', 'Variety' and 'Brand' refer to different characteristics of a 'Strain'.

'Race' refers to the geographical location where the original spore specimen was found. This distinction serves a few purposes. Mainly, the goal is to denote where the cube originated before domestication. For example, Penis Envy came from Amazonian Columbia, so it is racially Amazonian or Columbian. 'Race' is not the perfect word, but in this case, it serves a purpose. There are several small and large differences present in cubes which originate from different regions of the world.

But I digress...

Penis Envy is a DOMESTICATED 'VARIETY' of a cube which originated from Amazonian Columbia. 'Variety' denotes differences and unique characteristics which expose themselves AFTER isolation and domestication. To some degree, every commercial cube is a variety.

A Sporeworks 'Brand' Penis Envy may also be slightly different than a Hawks Eye 'Brand' Penis Envy... since they may not have originated from the exact same genetic pool (for more info about its origins, see the PE profile at the start of this thread).

There you go. 'Brand', 'Variety', 'Race'.

If you all have any more suggestions for terminology, to better explain the differences between commercial and non-commercial multisporous cubes, I would love to hear them.


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Good point.

I don't think we'll ever have one set uniform set of terminology across the board, but in some circles we can have slightly proper terminology as long as we're mindful of it.  We'll definitely never be completely scientific though, since I couldn't possibly see us adapting every single "variety" name to latin, as would be required if we were trying to be completely scientific.  For the most part though, we're definitely on the right track.


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    #11917016 - 01/28/10 09:43 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

Science is man-made and therefore we could actually invent our own mycological language.:shrug:
It's probably useless to argue about it.
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    #11918963 - 01/28/10 03:10 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

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Science is man-made and therefore we could actually invent our own mycological language.:shrug:
It's probably useless to argue about it.
Let's just be happy about the fact, that we are able to enjoy mushrooms:stoned:

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I doubt the community could even agree on an invented mushroom language:lol:
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    #11925551 - 01/29/10 04:12 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

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If you all have any more suggestions for terminology, to better explain the differences between commercial and non-commercial multisporous cubes, I would love to hear them.




Well, just take a page from domestic animals and plants and call them "breeds".  Everybody knows (I hope) that you can cross any two dog breeds and get mixed offspring. 

Mushrooms haven't been bred for nearly as long, but they show some of the same characteristics regarding phenotype, vigor, and other valued qualities.

And the point of breeding is still the same - domestic animals have been bred for hundreds if not thousands of generations by people who were going after particular characteristics, and got them.  Breed a purebred to another purebred of the same type and you get a purebred offspring.  Maybe with recessives showing up, but it's pretty easy to understand.

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    #11925986 - 01/29/10 05:50 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

"Breed" covers fascinating territory... but I am afraid it sounds TOO much like an animal... that would lead to a whole new set of problems.

People don't 'Breed' plants... and mycologists don't breed mushrooms. Part of the problem is, "Breed" is also a verb.


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    #11937544 - 01/31/10 06:16 PM (2 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah, I realized that later on.  But plant breeders and breeding is well established (see wiki on plant breeding), though the results are usually called varieties (which would be my second choice) and often are hybrids, the test being sterility SFAIK.

Anyway, I've seen breeding going on with ps. cubensis - taking two varieties with recognizable characteristics and crossing them is breeding, IMHO.  Selecting from mutation is similar and part of normal breeding activity, no question.

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    #11939085 - 01/31/10 10:12 PM (2 years, 13 days ago)

I agree with you... I just don't think it is the SIMPLEST way to explain this all to a bunch of stoner hippies.

Also, crossing one cube with another could be called breeding... but why? We already call it crossing.

Breeding suggests male and female. Animals and plants are more acceptable for this term than mushrooms and spores.

Thank you for furthering the discussion. I disagree, not because you are wrong, rather because I fear your suggestion would cause as many new problems as it solves old ones.

I have a lot of experience talking to n00b mycologists here on The Shromery. Words must be PERFECTLY selected or confusion ensues. We don't have perfect words for 'Strains' yet. Hopefully we will some day soon.


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Does anyone know anything about "Space Coast"?



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    #11940586 - 02/01/10 06:42 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

Although I've never heard of that "strain", I strongly assume it's another bull shit name for a totally regular Psilocybe cubensis.


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figured as much, says they found in on the coast of florda.


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    #11940981 - 02/01/10 08:42 AM (2 years, 13 days ago)

This "strain" is probably just the same as most other strains.
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    #11952328 - 02/03/10 12:57 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

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I agree with you... I just don't think it is the SIMPLEST way to explain this all to a bunch of stoner hippies.




Yeah.  "Breeding" connotates a little more exchange of fluids.  "Crossing" is already in common use for breeding, as well. 

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What is PF stand for....not in the context of PF tek but is there a strain or cube named PF just wondering????


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    #11955321 - 02/03/10 02:32 PM (2 years, 11 days ago)

same thing for both.  PF = professor fanaticus:super:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11955930 - 02/03/10 03:55 PM (2 years, 11 days ago)

the PF Classic cakes I just fruited were bunk for me...
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cyanesense]
    #11960673 - 02/04/10 09:03 AM (2 years, 10 days ago)

I see mon!!!! alright just wondering cause I had a syringe labeled pf....alright....so you said they were bunk??? that sucks....well i'll save them for a rainy day....??/ thanks for advice!!!:super:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: ChaostoOrder]
    #11960720 - 02/04/10 09:14 AM (2 years, 10 days ago)

Just because a grow from a multi spore syringe doesn't fruit optimally (and there can be many reasons why it was like that), it doesn't mean the "strain" itself is bad.

It can very well produce kick ass flushes, just like any other "strain". So don't worry about your syringe:wink:


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    #11961218 - 02/04/10 10:40 AM (2 years, 10 days ago)

I heard that PF classic can produce some of the most robust fruits, especially invitro.


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    #12012241 - 02/11/10 07:51 PM (2 years, 3 days ago)

Please help me identify these if you can. I may have taken the picture too early to tell, but if you can provide any input it would be appreciated. These came from a 3-4 year old syringe, not labeled. My friend who got the syringe initially said it is an 'African' variety, but who knows? Maybe you. :smile: Thanks for your help.





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    #12012277 - 02/11/10 07:56 PM (2 years, 3 days ago)

The only african variety I've ever heard of is transekei.  Treasure coast might be african too though, I'm not sure.  No way to tell though really, I don't think either of those varieties have any distinguishing characteristics.


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    #12012283 - 02/11/10 07:57 PM (2 years, 3 days ago)

P. Cubensis for sure but no way to tell its substrain/vendor name. :shrug:

even when mature its to hard to give an exact name. :strokebeard:

but Transeki (maybe Acadian coast):shrug: is an African cubensis Im sure there are more but thats all I can think of right now. :fried:

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    #12012534 - 02/11/10 08:34 PM (2 years, 2 days ago)

I believe transkei is the only cube to come out of africa could be wrong but im pretty sure


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    #12013778 - 02/12/10 12:40 AM (2 years, 2 days ago)

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I believe transkei is the only cube to come out of africa could be wrong but im pretty sure



Yep, the only other blue bruising strain found here is the P.Natalensis.


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    #12014285 - 02/12/10 05:41 AM (2 years, 2 days ago)

And by strain you mean species, right? :smile:


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    #12014365 - 02/12/10 06:21 AM (2 years, 2 days ago)

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And by strain you mean species, right? :smile:




LoL, My bad.:facepalm:

The Transkie IMHO is unique compared to other cub strains, They tend to do better with Coir "Casing"


The last batch i grew using Peat Moss based casing and it ended up with a lessor Over run casing but some interesting marsh mellow blobs on the surface which bruised blue rapidly.




These Transkies ,were found by my dad prolly 6-7 years ago whilst on a fishing trip on the South Coast of KZN.

and some mutant pics of the Transkie.



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    #12014570 - 02/12/10 07:53 AM (2 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah the only cubensis strain known from Africa is Transkei. There might be more, but they aren't sold anywhere that I know of.


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    #12018394 - 02/12/10 07:32 PM (2 years, 2 days ago)

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    #12022337 - 02/13/10 02:27 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

Any idea which variety of Cubensis this "Golden mammoth strain" is closest to? Seen from Spore pod, subsidiary of Myg technologies.

They have a background for it as well, anyone know if there's any truth to it?


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    #12022390 - 02/13/10 02:38 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

Golden Teacher, is my guess.


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    #12025881 - 02/14/10 05:13 AM (2 years, 14 hours ago)

All the information given on this site, seems like nothing but sale strategy. It's most likely a simple, normal Psilocybe cubensis:nonono:


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    #12031287 - 02/14/10 10:25 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I love the look of the oak ridge! A cube is not a cube, in my opinion.


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    #12031456 - 02/14/10 10:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #12036145 - 02/15/10 06:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Anyone have any experience with the hawaiian strain from ralphsters? my friend has been wanting to try a different strain. How is the trip compared to PE? Are all strains the same really? Or are some less visual than others? PE is a total mindfuck.


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    #12036403 - 02/15/10 07:05 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Anyone have any experience with the hawaiian strain from ralphsters? my friend has been wanting to try a different strain. How is the trip compared to PE? Are all strains the same really? Or are some less visual than others? PE is a total mindfuck.




If you like PE, you should stick with mutants... like PF Albino or APE (Albino penis envy).
Sporeworke keeps the best collection of mutants. Tell 'em you're a Shroomery member (in the comments) and they will add a free spore syringe (at least).

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    #12036833 - 02/15/10 08:28 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Thanx for the advice. I do love PE. :dancingshroom:


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    #12053149 - 02/18/10 09:53 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

My favourite so far, is Australian...so far, nearly impossible to kill and just wants to keep thriving....no matter what I do to it


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    #12053327 - 02/18/10 10:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Aust. Azure's are woodloving right? so would I have to do a tek that involves woodchips or some kind of medium close to that????


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    #12053334 - 02/18/10 10:24 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I think he is talking australian cubes bro


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    #12054972 - 02/18/10 03:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yes, but the most aggressive species (active) that I've ever worked with are azurescens and weilii... they are super-aggressive.


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    #12057453 - 02/18/10 09:33 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Do you guys think that lizard king could be predisposed to having grey mycelium? If not strain, then could it be genetics? Ever see any greys? Thanks


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    #12072458 - 02/21/10 04:25 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The amount of mutants in those pics Getafixx put up seem to suggest a poorly domesticated strain to me.  The only time I ran into so many mutants was when I was working with second generation Oak Ridge, the third and fourth gen's I grew out had none of mutations I had with the second gen.  The neatest mutant was a quarter ounce mushroom that was shaped like an oyster(the animal not the mushroom.  The gills were in the opening.

PESH is a really good strain they were my favorite overall strain because they were really good at putting out beautifully uniform mushrooms of a decent size that were strong and seemingly visual in character.  Also they were the best yielding by weight.


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    #12072541 - 02/21/10 04:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Nice stories... What is pesh, though? Penis envy south hanon? LOL guessing game loss


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    #12072662 - 02/21/10 04:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Nice stories... What is pesh, though? Penis envy south hanon? LOL guessing game loss



Pacifc exotica spores Hawaiian or something like that
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    #12081298 - 02/22/10 11:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I just ordered some PE from THE and it came with a tag that says penis envy #21... At risk of sounding like the noob, what is this #21 all about?Different from the PE all the folks talk about?


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    #12081384 - 02/22/10 11:51 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

its just a number they put you got regular pe.:thumbup:

i think the number may be the batch of spores or something like that.:shrug:


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    #12083139 - 02/23/10 11:35 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yeah the Hawks Eye numbers there syringes. dunno why really.


CAN ANYONE TELL ME WTF THESE ARE?!?!
growing from a "Argentina" Cube print.




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    #12083172 - 02/23/10 11:41 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

maybe they're stones? I don't really know. You should culture one of them and grow a ton of jars out with them, though, just to see. Maybe you found the super mushroom?


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    #12083391 - 02/23/10 12:22 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Yeah the Hawks Eye numbers there syringes. dunno why really.


CAN ANYONE TELL ME WTF THESE ARE?!?!
growing from a "Argentina" Cube print.


I dont seem to be able to get an answer in the Cult forum :suicide:




Looks like compressed pinning. I have had this happen in jars that were left too long. They kinda look like inside out shrooms. :2cents:


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    #12083552 - 02/23/10 12:52 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Yeah the Hawks Eye numbers there syringes. dunno why really.





i think its stupid of them cause some one here got a pe with a 6 on it and thinks hes growing pe6 cause the caps flatten sometimes.
so now if hes spreads the spores hes gonna be giving people pe calling it pe6.
the hawks eye doesnt have pe6 but the guy wouldnt listen.:facepalm:


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    #12083815 - 02/23/10 01:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Either slugs, or in-vitro pinning. I'm guessing the latter rather than the former. I have seen slugs in jars though!


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    #12086834 - 02/24/10 12:02 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Cool.. It 's coming along well. From what I understand, it generally is a slow colonizer. I saw myc. within 3 days. Which is quick for multi-spore in my experience.

Interesting about the "batch number".  Never seen that from other vendors. People weren't kidding though, my syringe was loaded! Especially for a mushroom that doesn't drop a lot of spores to begin with. My arm got tired from shaking it!


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i must be lucky cause most my pe print.:shrug:


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    #12097990 - 02/25/10 06:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Can anyone recommend a good cubensis strain? I'm can't decide on which strain to try next as they all look so tasty:tongue:. I've done B+, F+, PE, Palenque, Hawaiin, Golden Teacher, Panama,  R44, sygzy, PF, texas, treasure coast, and and PESA.

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    #12098062 - 02/25/10 06:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The best bang for your buck would be Penis Envy. They're more potent than all the other cube strains (don't ask why, they just are).

Stick with PE.


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    #12098065 - 02/25/10 06:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Any one of those you just mentioned have the same possibility as any others of being the tremendous strain your looking for.

Pick any strain from a reputable vendor, and see how you do, take some sterile prints, and trade with some other members here :thumbup:


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    #12098119 - 02/25/10 07:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Hm, I'm tired of PE. I've been growing it mainly for 1 and a half years and it's getting boring. I think I'll try Cambodian next. Thanks guys.


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Try transkei. :smile:


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Hm, I'm tired of PE. I've been growing it mainly for 1 and a half years and it's getting boring. I think I'll try Cambodian next. Thanks guys.




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Hey everyone, just a simple question I had...what does KSSS stand for ????? wondering cause I do have some in the process and was just wondering, they were a gift with others so I didn't get the full rundown....thanks...any special growing conditions?????


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Hey everyone, just a simple question I had...what does KSSS stand for ????? wondering cause I do have some in the process and was just wondering, they were a gift with others so I didn't get the full rundown....thanks...any special growing conditions?????





Koh Samui Super Strain. It grows the same as any other cube as far as I know. Here's what the hawks eye says:

"Another great psilocybe mushroom brought to us from the regions of Thailand. This is one is the best cubensis our friends in Thailand have ever seen. -Clyde- dubbed this one a Super Strain. Why? It far exceeds all other cubensis he has worked with by 30%-40%! A great little story behind this one and -Clyde's- research. So over the last few years our good friend and entheomycologist John Allen and friends have been going over to Thailand, Cambodia, and Malaysia and hunting the sacred mushrooms of SE Asia. Along those journeys many many different strains of Thailand cubensis have been collected and printed in the wild. Well of course we have a huge resource of these prints collected as we funded several trips for one of the researchers. So all of those prints that have been collected the last few years we gave to -Clyde- to research in a place where its legal to grow these mushrooms and produce spores from the best strains that developed from wild mushrooms collected and printed. Such as our Ban Lipa Yai Thailand cubensis, and Thailand Lamai Beach Cubensis, and every ones Thailand favorite, the original Thailand Koh Samui Cubensis which has now been renamed the Koh Samui Classic so there is no confusion with the Koh Samui Super Strain.
Well of course over the last couple of years -Clyde- continued going through many of these prints and developing them for several generations searching for better strains, a super strain. And finally it happened, he hit the mother load with the Koh Samui Super Strain. This strain is extremely contam resistant and the Thailand people tell us its one of the highest yielding strains of cubensis they have ever seen! "


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WOW:eek: Cool, Hey thanks for the info, and the origins....love it....THANK you , more than answered my question, I can't wait then for them.>>>>>>>:omgawesome: THank you!!!


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    #12129110 - 03/02/10 04:17 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

KSSS has been declared a super strain.  If I remember correctly a super strain will grow and cover agar in a set amount of time.


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KSSS has been declared a super strain.  If I remember correctly a super strain will grow and cover agar in a set amount of time.





Can somebody please elaborate. I've never heard of this and it's sparked my curiosity.

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    #12130185 - 03/02/10 06:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Koh Samui Super Strain is just an Isolate of the regular Thai-Koh Samui strain.

The KSSS produces short, THICK stemmed fruits, really cool lookin.
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    #12130226 - 03/02/10 06:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Gotta trow this in here.  Would anyone suggest that PE are "harder" to pin and fruit than any other strain?

They are certainly more difficult to culture from spores.


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    #12130488 - 03/02/10 07:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

PE seems slower from wbat
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KSSS has been declared a super strain.  If I remember correctly a super strain will grow and cover agar in a set amount of time.




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PE seems slower from wbat
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KSSS has been declared a super strain.  If I remember correctly a super strain will grow and cover agar in a set amount of time.




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    #12131374 - 03/02/10 09:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

anyone want to tell me why my pe i got in here from stonesun.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11463539#11463539

most look like this and drop spores like crazy.




but this is also the mutants and puff ball shrooms too.

this it the other side of the one above and you can see on the stem evan that one was dropping spores.


is it just the genetic jackpot thats giving me the regular looking shrooms and the spores shooting out all over?


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    #12132236 - 03/03/10 12:37 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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is it just the genetic jackpot thats giving me the regular looking shrooms and the spores shooting out all over?




Probably yes. It happens -not even that rarely- that PE develops fruits that look completely normal.
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    #12134052 - 03/03/10 11:05 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

ah thanks.

i dont mind them looking normal its cool cause im getting some amazing prints.i have gotten over 60 prints from 10 half pint cakes and that little straw sandwich in the pic.:rockon:

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: whyblameus]
    #12135731 - 03/03/10 03:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

but now that they look like completley normal cube's, will the prints, produce a PE looking fruit or will they be normal looking from now on out?


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    #12136989 - 03/03/10 06:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

PE doesn't have an annulus. Those aren't pe. sorry.



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    #12137007 - 03/03/10 06:03 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

tell that to stonesun cus thats who made/labled the swab from his PE grow :mushroom2:


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    #12137026 - 03/03/10 06:05 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

you don't agree about the annulus attached to the stem in that pic? Also, the cap is open yet the neck below the cap doesn't show the slightest wrinkle. Not to mention the fact that it's a prolific sporulator.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #12137045 - 03/03/10 06:08 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Maybe it was PE6?


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isn't pe6 the hybrid with texas strain that has reddish gnarled caps?


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    #12137147 - 03/03/10 06:23 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

PE6 is a hybrid of PE and a Texan strain.

The PE6 I've seen look more like your average cube and sometimes throws out PE looking fruits.

Here's a pic of some PE6 spores, they sometimes throw out pure brown prints.



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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #12137269 - 03/03/10 06:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

did you guys not see were the spores came from.
i put the link.

i grew from the swab that came and once and a wile i do get some that look like pe.

there usually small.

this is not pe6 unless thats what stonesun sent and i doubt that.



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PE doesn't have an annulus. Those aren't pe. sorry.






look at the ones in the last 3 pics there isnt one.

its only some that arent normal.


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    #12137342 - 03/03/10 06:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

heres the thread/pics from where WBUs spores came from:sun:

stonesun said:
So today I got back from work and checked
my PE mini mono.
I've decided to harvest it only tomorrow.
I was feeling a little bored.
WTF am I gonna do to kill some time?!
Checked Shroomery just to find out I've got
1499 posts.
What else would be a nicer 1500th post than
a giveaway?
I'm pretty low on prints, so had another idea...
Went downstairs, fired up the flowhood, eat
and took a shower.
Then I harvested a couple of mature PE fruits, and made up 10 swabs.

These are up for grab for anyone and everyone regardless of age, sex, race, ratings or whatever.
The only thing I require is that you live in the US and not in CA, GA or ID.
I'm pretty low on stamps (I've got enough
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feel, you're more than welcome to send me some!:wink:
Disclaimer: these swabs were made in a sterile environment at least as sterile as
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However the spores did not come from sterile
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Therefore I can not guarantee that your
work will be successful, unless you know
what the fuck are you doing.:shrug:
Your best bet is to put the swab on agar.
The other way is to take some sterile water
and an inoculation loop, and scrape the spores from the wet swab into the water.
Suck it up in a syringe and into a LC.
I've had success this way before, but agar
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #12137378 - 03/03/10 06:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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you don't agree about the annulus attached to the stem in that pic? Also, the cap is open yet the neck below the cap doesn't show the slightest wrinkle. Not to mention the fact that it's a prolific sporulator.

3 strikes. It's out.





PE are known mutants so maybe thats the "normal" PE :grin: 

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    #12137729 - 03/03/10 07:38 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Well, it really spikes my curiosity. I can't imagine why you would get some misc fruits in a pe grow, showing none of the typical characteristics.

Are you sure you didn't mix in a cake or two of another strain?

If you are sure, then I wonder if your pe somehow corrected itself. That is, corrected the genetic deficiency that causes it to be a non-sporulatin, non-veil forming, wrinkly-necked freak.


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    #12137789 - 03/03/10 07:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

im very sure it happens on all of them.

im confused too thats why i posted it.:shrug:

i have given a shitload of prints and i dont want poeple to think its not pe cause it looks nothing like it.

i havent grown from my own spores yet so :shrug: how they look.


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    #12139630 - 03/04/10 12:11 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Well, it really spikes my curiosity. I can't imagine why you would get some misc fruits in a pe grow, showing none of the typical characteristics.




The features of PE are isolated ones. As ANY other Cube, it is well capable of growing completely normal looking fruits. It's increased tendency to develop it's typical shape does not mean, that it will be that way each and every time.
As you know, with multispore knock ups, you shoot probably thousands of genetic individuals to a single jar. Apparently most of these spores will develop into a mushroom that grows the desired shape, while some will grow normal looking fruits, a mixture of both or whatever they "want" to.

I have had normal looking and heavy sporulating fruits from PE quiet a few times, while the next generation, grown from these spores, looked like the typical PE again.
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    #12139785 - 03/04/10 12:47 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I am brand new to cultivating and was wondering if I could mix two different strain on separate cakes into the same casing using the crumble and case method. Thanks to everyone contributing to this wealth of information! (Also I know I might find this question elsewhere, but I need to get in so many posts before I can get to certain places on this site) :laugh:


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    #12139803 - 03/04/10 12:52 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yes, you can. It's the same species of mushrooms.
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Fahkface]
    #12139827 - 03/04/10 12:57 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

thank you man that makes me feel great about giving away the prints.

and your right about isolating.

if i remember right without going through the thread the tub stonesun got the muchroom the spores came from was an isolate.

also another question wile were at it.
i cloned a fruit that looked normal and dropped spores like crazy
i havent grown it yet to see how it comes out but im wondering why spore companies have such a hard time getting prints when i hit the jackpot.
if my clone keeps it in the genetics then im one lucky bastard i guess.:grin:
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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: whyblameus]
    #12139898 - 03/04/10 01:15 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I'm pretty sure they are. PE spores ain't more expensive than the spores of any other "strain", although they're that much harder to print. Maybe they did the same thing.

Who knows. I'm not a spore company:shrug:

Maybe you should just ask the sponsors.


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    #12139977 - 03/04/10 02:07 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

wait sorry im buzzed i meant why arent the spore companies able to do it?
cause they never have pe prints for sale just syringes.

i dont type rite when im drinking.:lol:

just wondering the question wasnt exactly directed at just you but what everyone thinks.

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    #12139986 - 03/04/10 02:11 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

oh yea i dont really think the sponsors care why we wonder why they dont have pe prints or minor dumb things like that so i wont bother even asking.

maybe someone else cares enough to ask.:shrug:

it was just something i was wondering.:smirk:


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: whyblameus]
    #12140218 - 03/04/10 04:30 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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wait sorry im buzzed i meant why arent the spore companies able to do it?
cause they never have pe prints for sale just syringes.




They might use a centrifuge to separate spores from gill tissue. We've done itat the college to separate different spores/bacteria.


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    #12140512 - 03/04/10 07:16 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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I have had normal looking and heavy sporulating fruits from PE quiet a few times, while the next generation, grown from these spores, looked like the typical PE again.
Unless you work with an isolate / clone it's really up to the mushroom what will develop.




I have grown pe multispore also and never gotten this. Perhaps it is just pe6 that does this?

Also in all the discussion of pe, I have NEVER heard of anyone growing a pe that a) had an annulus remaining attached to the stem, b) did not have a wrinkly neck upon maturation AND c) was a heavy sporulator.


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    #12140691 - 03/04/10 08:04 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I want to cultivate azures! Any tips on th type of fruiting chamber setup?


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    #12140748 - 03/04/10 08:18 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

This is for strains, not species.  Wood lovers like azures are best cultivated outdoors.

http://www.fungifun.org/English/Psilocybe-Azurescens-Outdoor-Cultivation


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    #12140788 - 03/04/10 08:27 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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I have had normal looking and heavy sporulating fruits from PE quiet a few times, while the next generation, grown from these spores, looked like the typical PE again.
Unless you work with an isolate / clone it's really up to the mushroom what will develop.




I have grown pe multispore also and never gotten this. Perhaps it is just pe6 that does this?

Also in all the discussion of pe, I have NEVER heard of anyone growing a pe that a) had an annulus remaining attached to the stem, b) did not have a wrinkly neck upon maturation AND c) was a heavy sporulator.




Now you have. This has actually happened with more than one print, while one was from a vendor.
With PE#6 I actually never had any fruits that looked like PE.
Actually every strain is capable of more or less anything. You must not forget, that there can be billions of spores on a single print.
As I said, PE is an isolate. And they have done well work isolating it's regular growing habits. This, however, does not mean, they've erased all genetic traces of "normal" looking mushrooms.
Same with KSSS and any Albino strain btw, which are -as you know- quiet unique looking as well.
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Oh oops sorry about that I'm a noob. Anyone ever had much experience with Burma, equador or b+? just started a few batches and want to know if those are highly reccomended strains? What have you experienced with them in any area?


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    #12141126 - 03/04/10 09:48 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

These are up for grab for anyone and everyone regardless of age, sex, race, ratings or whatever.
The only thing I require is that you live in the US and not in CA, GA or ID.
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    #12141866 - 03/04/10 12:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Now you have. This has actually happened with more than one print, while one was from a vendor.
With PE#6 I actually never had any fruits that looked like PE.





Maybe PE 6 is unstable then. Has anyone seen this occur with the original pe strain?

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Actually every strain is capable of more or less anything.





I'm sorry, but I disagree. If I plant carrots, I'm not going to get parsnips. There is a big difference between possible, and probable.  If this is occurring with pe6 on a regular basis, there is surely a better explanation than random genetic variation.

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    #12141931 - 03/04/10 12:08 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Carrots and parsnips are two different species while a cube is cube.


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    #12142189 - 03/04/10 12:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Maybe PE 6 is unstable then. Has anyone seen this occur with the original pe strain?




I was actually talking about the original PE in the first sentence. Not about PE#6.

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I'm sorry, but I disagree. If I plant carrots, I'm not going to get parsnips. There is a big difference between possible, and probable.  If this is occurring with pe6 on a regular basis, there is surely a better explanation than random genetic variation.




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Carrots and parsnips are two different species while a cube is cube.




Different "strains" have different tendencies in terms of shape etc. This, however, does not mean they always grow like you expect them to grow.
Every spore is a genetic individual. Most of these genetic individuals develop in a way, so that you can't really distinguish them. They look mostly the same.
Some "strains", such as PE, KSSS or any albino strain where isolated for their tendencies to develop certain characteristics.
However, when you isolate a strain, that inhibits all features you want and you take a spore print of it, what you get from the spores in random again. Only the tendency for the genetics of the spores to develop mushrooms, of which the fruits look like would like increased a little. You have to do a lot of work to actually get a strain, that is as stable as PE. It still isn't guaranteed you get what you expect: Penis shaped fruits.

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What do you mean by this?




I mean what I said. PE is an isolated strain.
The tendency of penis shaped fruits was isolated from a wild cubensis, that was -probably- found in the Colombian Amazon.
As far as the information currently goes, it was isolated from the spores of normal looking fruit.


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    #12142388 - 03/04/10 01:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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I have had normal looking and heavy sporulating fruits from PE quiet a few times, while the next generation, grown from these spores, looked like the typical PE again.
Unless you work with an isolate / clone it's really up to the mushroom what will develop.




I have grown pe multispore also and never gotten this. Perhaps it is just pe6 that does this?

Also in all the discussion of pe, I have NEVER heard of anyone growing a pe that a) had an annulus remaining attached to the stem, b) did not have a wrinkly neck upon maturation AND c) was a heavy sporulator.



dude you just dont listen and reply shit that doesnt even pertain to the topic your debating.

wtf does pe6 have to do with this.

i grew pe and fahkface was also talking about regular pe.

you just like to argue.

and he said he grew them and they did it and i showed pics of it too.
so whats not to believe?
how have you never seen it happen did you not see my pics?

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    #12142419 - 03/04/10 01:19 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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dude you just dont listen and reply shit that doesnt even pertain to the topic your debating.

wtf does pe6 have to do with this.

i grew pe and fahkface was also talking about regular pe.

you just like to argue.

and he said he grew them and they did it and i showed pics of it too.
so whats not to believe?
how have you never seen it happen did you not see my pics?

get over your superior self.




I'm not, I just find it fascinating. Sorry I didn't know it was regular pe, not pe6.

Stop being such a little BITCH.

Sorry for finding it so interesting.

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    #12142489 - 03/04/10 01:30 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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whyblameus said:
dude you just dont listen and reply shit that doesnt even pertain to the topic your debating.

wtf does pe6 have to do with this.

i grew pe and fahkface was also talking about regular pe.

you just like to argue.

and he said he grew them and they did it and i showed pics of it too.
so whats not to believe?
how have you never seen it happen did you not see my pics?

get over your superior self.




I'm not, I just find it fascinating. Sorry I didn't know it was regular pe, not pe6.

Stop being such a little BITCH.

Sorry for finding it so interesting.

If anyone else has experienced it, I would love to hear about it.




thats why you should read the posts and know what your even responding to.
it was said it was regular pe many times how did you miss it.
also the link to were the spores came from were regular pe if you would have looked at the link i posted.


the little bitch is you for not knowing what your debating. :finger:


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    #12142500 - 03/04/10 01:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

yawn. more bitching. get over it. i'm not even debating ne1, just prying for info.


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    #12142583 - 03/04/10 01:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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yawn. more bitching. get over it. i'm not even debating ne1, just prying for info.



yea whatever you say.

im sure everyone else can see it too your just a blind fool.

im glad your so butthurt.:rotfl:

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    #12142943 - 03/04/10 02:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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im glad your so butthurt.:rotfl:





glad to oblige i guess. i wouldn't be the first to get the butthurtz over something stupid.
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    #12144111 - 03/04/10 05:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

here what my last PE batch looked like :grin:

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    #12144235 - 03/04/10 05:50 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

That looks like KSSS, PE seems to like muting.


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    #12144367 - 03/04/10 06:10 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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here what my last PE batch looked like :grin:

1 of 8 trays :crazy2:




¡Ay, caramba!  Those are some wacky looking mushrooms.  Can't wait to give these a try - I've got some of whyblameus's PE spores in agar now (thanks so much for the prints!!!) so I'll let you guys know whether they turn out like normal cubes or like typical PE :sun:


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    #12144657 - 03/04/10 06:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

now heres some pf redspore that look like pe.:lmafo:




a mono of pf red spore looking like pe.



i didnt get any pics of the tub when it matured.:smirk:

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here what my last PE batch looked like :grin:

1 of 8 trays :crazy2:




¡Ay, caramba!  Those are some wacky looking mushrooms.  Can't wait to give these a try - I've got some of whyblameus's PE spores in agar now (thanks so much for the prints!!!) so I'll let you guys know whether they turn out like normal cubes or like typical PE :sun:



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Any special requirements for growing Oregon Coast???


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Any special requirements for growing Oregon Coast???



If you can grow B+ you can grow Oregon Coast.  The growth paarameters of all cubes are the same.  You only have to worry about changing growth parameters if you are growing a different type of mushroom.


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    #12149983 - 03/05/10 04:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Just a reminder folks, to read the first posts in this thread before replying.

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    #12149996 - 03/05/10 04:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I had a question....

I want to grow a Fly Argaic (Aminita Muscuria) looking mushroom, ya know, like the Power Up mushrooms from Super Mario....

Which strain looks the most like those Mario Mushrooms?

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IMO, KSSS is the cube which looks most like a Mario Mushroom... but really Aminita is what you want.


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KSSS was an awesome strain for me.
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IMO, KSSS is the cube which looks most like a Mario Mushroom... but really Aminita is what you want.




Wow, KSSS does look cool, but it doesn't have those white "scab" things on there like the Mario Mushroom, that's what I was lookin' for....Is there any strains that is heavy on the white scabs?

As for Aminata Mushrooms, they are impossible to cultivate indoors...unless you were just pulling my leg Cervetes...

PS What does KSSS stand for? I've never heard of that sub-strain before....

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #12150088 - 03/05/10 04:53 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

If you want perfectly Mario Mushrooms, you'll be looking for a while... but it is possible, You'd want a cube with a polka-dotted, red-ish cap, and yes... fleshy scabs.

I think a Mario-Looking cube would be a great seller.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: Cervantes]
    #12150105 - 03/05/10 04:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I agree, and I think it would be the best seller....imagine the marketing to childern...."yeah kids, its a Mario Mushroom, a real one. Wanna buy some?".

OK, maybe not kids, but grown-ups that played the game....

Maybe I should PM  mR. Rabbit to see if he can isolate me a strain (for a small fee, of course) and have the entire community enjoy the Fruits of his labor...

As for what I want, I would just like the white scabs and the big wide cap...doesn't have to red or shiny or have that cool viel on it....

Anything like that you can think of Cerventes?

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #12150145 - 03/05/10 05:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Hawk's Eye PE has all the elements... until the shrooms turn into penises.

SO close...

Heh, I have been looking for a Mario Mushroom too... so far, no luck. Perhaps others have thoughts.

A cross between KSSS and PE? KSSS has the shape, PE has the details. Might work...


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #12150148 - 03/05/10 05:07 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

dancing tigers-china from Ralphsters have that white spot oatmeal fleks on the caps. :super:

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    #12150165 - 03/05/10 05:11 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Mario mushroom is Amanita muscaria var. muscaria.


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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #12150171 - 03/05/10 05:12 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

My God, you're right!

Just went to the website, and found them....

Here's "Dancing Tigers" (China)


One problem....they are too small! They look like Pan cyans they are so small....but they got those awesome flakes! I love them already.....

I guess I'll have to learn how to isolate and make a big one so its semi-Mario Mushroom. Here we GO! :1upmario:

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    #12150221 - 03/05/10 05:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)





here are some of my bigger DTs but I have gotten bigger ones, those just had very lil FAE (neglected mono).:mushroom2:


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    #12150233 - 03/05/10 05:30 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Nice and BIG....perfect....but where did the cool white flakes go?!

We were so close too!

Oh well, that's genetics for ya....

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #12150426 - 03/05/10 06:13 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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PS What does KSSS stand for? I've never heard of that sub-strain before....

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: anonjon]
    #12151090 - 03/05/10 08:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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you don't agree about the annulus attached to the stem in that pic? Also, the cap is open yet the neck below the cap doesn't show the slightest wrinkle. Not to mention the fact that it's a prolific sporulator.

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: stonesun]
    #12151243 - 03/05/10 09:21 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)



nice, proof positive that non mutated PE are just "a cube is a cube" :mushroom2:

wow, went from never seeing a reg PE to having seen 2 in a couple days. :super:


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    #12151504 - 03/05/10 10:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

if you want a strain with the "white speckles" on the cap try texan
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    #12151519 - 03/05/10 10:08 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Those look fucking bomb noobie.  I have a hankering to grow mario looking shrooms too


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    #12151543 - 03/05/10 10:15 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

there not mine tho
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    #12151548 - 03/05/10 10:16 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Its alright I saw an impresive pic of someone in a hoodie holding some wkd ass looking eq's:lmafo:


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    #12151591 - 03/05/10 10:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

really?? wonder who that was:lol:

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    #12151599 - 03/05/10 10:28 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Well by the look of those monsters I would say RR or someone close to his experience :lmafo:


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    #12151609 - 03/05/10 10:32 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #12151677 - 03/05/10 10:49 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Nice noobie! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Those are those Mario Mushrooms I was looking for....and it has a red tint tooo. That's :awesome::thumbup:

Looks like my next grow is Texans! Its about as close as its going to be....but I have to say, they look a lot like Amanita's, that's for sure!

Do they always look like that, or was that an isolate?

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Re: Strain/Race/Variety Thread [Re: 13shrooms]
    #12152231 - 03/06/10 02:29 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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nice, proof positive that non mutated PE are just "a cube is a cube" :mushroom2:

wow, went from never seeing a reg PE to having seen 2 in a couple days. :super:




I wouldn't really consider this a "proof". While it could indeed be a fruit of PE strain, that doesn't show the regular shape, it could also be an "intruder". It happens, that spores of other Cubes, enter a substrate and fruit independently.
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    #12152470 - 03/06/10 06:13 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Do they always look like that, or was that an isolate?

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i believe they were from MS
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    #12153035 - 03/06/10 09:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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if you want a strain with the "white speckles" on the cap try texan
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My Oak Ridge did that. I have another cycle starting up, there could be prints in  a few months.


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    #12153113 - 03/06/10 09:39 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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My Oak Ridge did that. I have another cycle starting up, there could be prints in  a few months.





If those aren't mario mushrooms I don't know what are.  Fuckin' red food coloring, dude...

I don't know how long you could keep a mushie like that, with red food coloring soaked into the cap, or if it would even work for that matter, but if you do it...

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    #12153256 - 03/06/10 10:14 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #12154118 - 03/06/10 01:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

All species of cubies will produce those white flecks on the caps if the humidity is high. Its just mycelium growing on the caps, you wont always get them when you grow texans or anything.




All different strains and I have more that look like that. The white flecks are more prominent when they are young and closed capped still.


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    #12155594 - 03/06/10 06:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

:shrug:  nope but I just got a syringe of it like a week ago.  :syringe:

Im assuming its like the rest of the made up named cubes and was found wild and domesticated by a shroomery member and they named their isolation of a European cubensis. :strokebeard:

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    #12156629 - 03/06/10 09:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

well this is actually from a retailer.. made no claims about it.


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    #12156985 - 03/06/10 10:55 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

All the strains fruiting temps are listed as 74-84°F.

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    #12156997 - 03/06/10 10:58 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #12157070 - 03/06/10 11:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #12157074 - 03/06/10 11:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I believe that those are the best temps for fruiting.  I have fruited shrooms at 95+F


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    #12157105 - 03/06/10 11:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Cool. What strain(s) worked well at these temps?


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    #12157121 - 03/06/10 11:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

All cubes will work all growth conditions for cubes are the same.  Strain is just a marketing ply.  Trully only an isolate is a strain.  From every ms syringe there are probably millions of strains


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I think RR said that if the temps are too high you get more hollow fruits than normal.


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    #12159833 - 03/07/10 03:03 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Really?

I wonder how that works....maybe for internal cooling of the fruits?

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    #12159847 - 03/07/10 03:06 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I dont know about the relation of high temp to hollow stems but i know that if you fruit in colder temps you get denser fruits.  When I was growing shrooms at high temps i had just started so I wasnt able to tell if the stems were just hollow or hollow due to the high temps


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    #12160849 - 03/07/10 06:25 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #12162126 - 03/07/10 10:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Figured I'd do a first at Shroomery and ask my strain Q in the strain thread! I was just wondering if there is a reason people don't do clones more, if you can select one that's very potent / high yielding, it would seem that this would be ideal... is it that much of a hassle?


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    #12162134 - 03/07/10 10:26 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

No cloning is very easy and many ppl do it.  Or isolation.


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    #12162377 - 03/07/10 11:19 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Then what's the downside...?


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    #12162382 - 03/07/10 11:20 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

UHM none that I can think of.  An iso or clone produces a tray or tub or watever of the same shrooms.  Not exactly but for all intents and purposes


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Re: Strain Questions HERE ONLY! [Re: truskool]
    #12162544 - 03/08/10 12:04 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Really?
I wonder how that works....maybe for internal cooling of the fruits?
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I guess everyone who knows about this phenomenon has asked himself this question a few times

I couldn't find anything legit, though.

Thinking about it now, it might be, that the mushroom reacts to high temperatures with fast growth, due to the fact, that warmer temperatures favor mold- and bacterial growth. It might recognize, that the chances to launch it's spores are higher, the faster it is, because this way it might keep up with the enormous speed of contaminant growth.

Who knows:shrug:

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Then what's the downside...(of cloning)?




Probably just the clean work and the increased time you have to invest.

With multispore inoculation, the time that fruits appear, the mushroom is a wild mixture of different sets of genetics. Good fruiters, highly potent ones, and probably bad fruiting strains, as well as almost- or completely impotent ones. You might clone some nice genetics, but the chance for them to be far from perfect is quiet big.

Cloning is a fast method to ensure good results with later grows, but isn't ideal, due to the above mentioned reasons.
In addition, it happens, that there are several strains within one fruit, which could results in different -maybe poor- results, when growing the clone.

Single strain isolation gives you a better chance to get the best fruiting strain. It requires a lot more work though.


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Re: Strain Questions HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
    #12163971 - 03/08/10 10:20 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Hi,
I'm new to this site. I am a grower but most recently I grew from a mystery spore syringe my friend gave me and could not figure out which strain it was.  I grew anyway, and since have dried them.  I was wondering if anyone could help me or direct me to the best forum (possibly identification?) if an expert can detect which strain it is by pics of the dried beauties.  He said something about Transylvania.  OK.  Thanks for letting me know.  This is my first try at posting here.


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Re: Strain Questions HERE ONLY! [Re: joejumps]
    #12163988 - 03/08/10 10:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3

ID forum :thumbup:

never heard of a Transylvania strain though? :shrug:

its possible but not common thats for sure. :grin:


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Re: Strain Questions HERE ONLY! [Re: 13shrooms]
    #12164115 - 03/08/10 10:43 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

It won't be possible to ID the "strain" of a dried fruit of Psilocybe cubensis. Beside few exceptions (and not even always) it's not even possible to ID fresh fruits for the name someone has written on a syringe.

He probably didn't mean "Transylvanian" but maybe "Tasmanian":shrug:


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