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UPDATED 06/13: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS.
    #10433166 - 05/31/09 11:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yes yes y'all..

I'm getting in to bulk, but I wanted some insurance in case my first attempts failed.  So while I'm at it, I decided to go ahead with the exhaustive labour of producing 64 PF cakes.  The number would have been 72, but I lost eight jars to bacterial contamination.  It's probably for the best, because I wouldn't have been able to fit 72 cakes in to my martha FC.

This is a closet grow.  Now, I don't live with my parents: I just wanted the thing out of the way for when I have guests over, or when city inspectors come to check out the safety of my furnace, water heater etc (happens sometimes here in Canada).  Here it is:



On the left side of the closet is the actual FC.  On the right side, I have my humidifiers.  I'm using a coolmist/ultrasonic combo.  I'm loving it, it gives me excellent control.  To capture the output from the humidifiers and line it to the FC with vinyl tubing, I used some funnels I picked up at the automotive section of Canadian Tire.  I had to trim them down a bit before siliconing them to the units, but it worked out extremely well. I'm also using a small radiator to regulate the temp, which fluctuates wildly in my climate.













A drip loop in the hose off the Ultrasonic, to prevent it from running back down in to the humidifer.  The glass catches the drip.  I used a Stella Chalice for extra flare.


Here are some shots of the actual cakes.  The top two shelves hold twenty each, and I crammed 24 in to the bottom shelf.





If you look carefully at the top left of the last picture, you'll see one of the cakes is fruiting.  This cake started fruiting invitro while I was waiting for the rest to colonize.  I had to break the jar with a hammer to get it out of there.  I used fairly high pressure water to get rid of all the glass shards.  This cake was not dunked and rolled.  I just let it mature.

Each half pint PF jar was inoculated with liquid culture.  They are the EQ strain.  They colonized in under two weeks.

My inital plan was to case all these jars, but apparently things have changed since I last did this, and popular opinion seems to state that D&R is just as good.  They were placed in the FC yesterday.  I dunked them all in a massive tub for 24hr (keeping it cold was a bitch, required four bags of ice) and rolled them in verm before placing them.  That took two hours in itself.  The labour that went in to these cakes was absurd.  I won't be doing it again!  Nonetheless, I'm curious to see just how much I can get out of this.  I'll be keeping this thread updated with pics as the grow progresses, including specific weights per flush etc.

If anyone has any opinions about this, or ways to maximize my yields, I'm wide open to suggestions.

Peace,

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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10433188 - 05/31/09 11:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Old time member. :mushroom2: Cool....nice setup.
What's your light source?  Do we get to see an update? ~Pixie~


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    #10433189 - 05/31/09 11:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: capt cap]
    #10433203 - 05/31/09 11:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

looking nice. I like the like the zen? table you got goin there too..


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: capt cap]
    #10433206 - 05/31/09 11:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> Old time member.  Cool....nice setup.
What's your light source?  Do we get to see an update? ~Pixie~


Old time indeed.  I was here before there was a forum, when it was just IRC.  I only did a few small tupperware grows back then (when I was living with my parents; I'm 26 now), and spent most of my time in the Spirituality and Philosophy forum.

I'm using three fluorescent lights in the 2500K spectrum.  One is mounted externally at the top, the other two are mounted internally beneath the shelves.  I would have made the effort to get light in the proper range, but the only ones available were direct wire, and I couldn't be bothered to screw around with wiring that up.  I'm also scared of burning down my house.

There will be updates as pinning starts and fruits begin.  Send me successful vibes, please.  I can't wait to see my martha exploding with delight.


>> looking nice. I like the like the zen? table you got goin there too..

It's kind of a mashup between Zen and Tibetan traditions.  I used to be a practicing Buddhist part of a tradition.  When that went south, I kept my own style of practise, which I've sadly been neglecting.  I should really get back in to it; I was much more blissful during those times.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10433258 - 06/01/09 12:03 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Very nice set up.  The only advice I could offer is to keep an eye on those cakes and don't be afraid to mist them, you may not need to, but if they start looking dry, mist away.  I think keeping your cakes hydrated is key to a good yield.  Oh ya, and ramp up the fae as high as you can get it!


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: george castanza]
    #10433302 - 06/01/09 12:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Totally.  I have the coolmist on maximum output during the day for FAE.  At night I keep it on the low setting, because it's too loud for me to sleep.  I am misting twice a day regardless of whether or not I think they need it.  Like you said, hydration is the key to yield.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10433323 - 06/01/09 12:23 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like you have that bad boy dialed in right.:thumbup:
I wish you the best on this and all your future grows.:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: george castanza]
    #10433360 - 06/01/09 12:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Niiiiice, thats hella cakes haha:mushroom2:

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    #10433374 - 06/01/09 12:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

great set up, I like your shrine too, India head?

boom boom! Me too!

super grow, keep us informed.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: FractalXplora]
    #10433386 - 06/01/09 12:46 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

wow that does look much better I would copy your Idea but I have a Lack of closet space.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: trekie]
    #10433712 - 06/01/09 03:02 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well this takes the cake for the logged grow with the most BRF cakes, Pun totally intended. Good job so far :thumbup:

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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10433856 - 06/01/09 04:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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>> I'm using three fluorescent lights in the 2500K spectrum.




any reason why you picked 2500k? from what i have read about the forums here that 6500k is what to go for.

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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: mrHerro]
    #10434027 - 06/01/09 07:04 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The only lights I could find in the proper spectrum were direct wire, and I didn't want to go through the hassle of wiring that up.


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    #10434072 - 06/01/09 07:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

That is one sweet setup! You're gonna be swimmin' in mush bro

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    #10434098 - 06/01/09 07:47 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Great setup!

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    #10434367 - 06/01/09 09:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

looks nice.  I've always heard that hosing the coolmist like that creates too much static pressure on the motors, thus decreasing their life.  Never tried it though.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Stealthgrower]
    #10434384 - 06/01/09 09:40 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I've heard the same.  There are some holes in the tubing to alleviate some of the back-pressure.  We'll see how it goes.  It's been up and running for about a month now.


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    #10438068 - 06/01/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Just keeping this one alive, we all want an updated pic!:crazy2:


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: george castanza]
    #10439507 - 06/02/09 02:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The exposed myc is showing a LOT of knotting.  I'm anticipating a very nice bit of pin porn here within the next few days.

Here's a pic to tide you over: 



This was from a casing I fruited in the same FC about two weeks ago.


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    #10475430 - 06/09/09 02:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

HALP!

Things are not going as I expected.  I'm having lots of fruits, but they seem to break their veils prematurely.  I'm getting a few big fruits, but very many tiny fruits.  Is this a problem with FAE?  I had thought that pumping air in to the GH with my coolmist would provide adequate FAE.  Since I'm seeing small fruits, I've started fanning.  I have been misting regularly since the beginning.  Am I missing something? 

I should add that there are occasions where the temperature approaches 80F.. I'm having great difficulty controlling this due to the climate I live in.  Is this contributing to my small fruits?

Despite the scale of this effort, I am rather new at this.  Can anyone offer some insight in to how this grow is panning out, and to how I can improve my yields?  Keep in mind that I intend to go to bulk after this grow, but I still want to keep working with the PF tek until I get the most out of it that is possible.

Any and all feedback is appreciated!

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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10475880 - 06/09/09 06:46 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

those IMO are not small fruits for pf cakes. Particualrly the 1 with a huge fruit, whichw ould really suck all the moisture out of your cake making the other fruits grow smaller.

Humidifier are not for fresh air. there for humidifying.


they also look like there suffering from lack of FAE.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10476252 - 06/09/09 09:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like they need to be re-hydrated and lack of FAE.


I suggest either add about a tablespoon of verm on top of each cake and hydrate that mound when misting. OR Get a couple of large trays for each shelf and stick the cakes with a few inches of water in the  each tray for 12 hours  to soak. OR Just wait until this flush is done and dunk for 36 hours in normal room temp water, not ice water it'll set you back a few days with a tropical species, like cubensis.


For more FAE, I would cut a bunch of slits and holes on the front of the GH and have an oscillating  fan blow towards the closet, and try to have the door open as mush as possible.


And you have the wrong kind of fluorescent lights, you want them in the 6500K range. If your worried about burning down the house, like you stated earlier I would get a long LED 6500K strip, most of them are weather proof and can get mist on them directly, you could get like a 10ft light rope and snake it thru the GH, going under each shelf.


Are those 1/2 pint-regular mouth jars? or wide-mouth Doublestack'd?



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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: BaKeRx561x420]
    #10476294 - 06/09/09 10:10 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

BaKeRx561x420 I started out using your mound of wet verm on top of my cakes. I WILL never do it any other way! I have been getting insane results from my 1/2 pint cakes!:thumbup: Thanks you for sharing that great bit of info with us!:bow2::headbanger:

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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10476490 - 06/09/09 10:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> they also look like there suffering from lack of FAE.

Can you be specific about what signs indicate this to you?  I've been trying to find clarity on that subject for a long time now, but have found so much conflicting information.

>> Humidifier are not for fresh air. there for humidifying.

The coolmist humidifer takes in external air, humidifies it, and pumps it in to the GH, displacing the air inside, which is allowed to vent out the bottom.  Is this not FAE?  I certainly cannot open this enviroment up to the surrounding environment for FAE, as the humidity in my climate is usually around 10-20%.  Within a minute of opening the GH for misting or fanning, humidity plummets thirty points. 

Right now I am fanning three times a day.  Do you think this is adequate?


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10476519 - 06/09/09 11:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

fruits that grow long and skinny, sometimes with gnarly stems are a result of lack of FAE.

FAE isnt just about replace the still stale air inside your fruitng space, its also about causing evaporation of moisture from your substrate. If your using moist air for FAE its not going to cause as much evaporation.

you will also be making your humidifier work much harder by drawing in dry air.

If its recirculating already moist air, its much easier.

Im assuming that you have modified your coolmist with piping? which isnt a good idea, the motor inside isnt designed to run under pressure and piping in humidity will do that. Modyfing coolmists can burn them out.

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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10476534 - 06/09/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> I suggest either add about a tablespoon of verm on top of each cake and hydrate that mound when misting.

This method is already in use here.

>> for more FAE, I would cut a bunch of slits and holes on the front of the GH and have an oscillating  fan blow towards the closet, and try to have the door open as mush as possible.

I have tried something similar by leaving the zippers open a touch and adding a fan.  The result was that I could not maintain the proper humidity, even when my humidifiers were cranked.  I live in an extremely dry climate.  If I'm going to push in external air, it needs to be pre-humidified.  Perhaps I'll purchase a humidifier for the room.

>> And you have the wrong kind of fluorescent lights, you want them in the 6500K range.

You're right.  This seems to be the modern concecus.  The first time I did this (8 years ago), the question of lighting was hotly debated.  Many said that light is not a factor except in determining the direction the mushrooms grow, others said that the right spectrum produces better results. 

The 6500K bulbs are slated for the next grow.  How much do you think my use of 2500K bulbs affected my yields? 

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    #10476544 - 06/09/09 11:06 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10476584 - 06/09/09 11:15 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> FAE isnt just about replace the still stale air inside your fruitng space, its also about causing evaporation of moisture from your substrate. If your using moist air for FAE its not going to cause as much evaporation.

There are two 12 volt fans inside the GH to help promote circulation.  If I mist my hand and put it inside, I can feel that there is a lot of air circulation.  Could this lack of evaporation be due to excessive humidity?


>> Im assuming that you have modified your coolmist with piping? which isnt a good idea, the motor inside isnt designed to run under pressure and piping in humidity will do that. Modyfing coolmists can burn them out.

I'm aware of this, however: the experience I had with running the coolmist inside the GH was that drawing in air at 95+% rH ruined the filter.  The motor went shortly after that.  This was after only about two weeks of operation.  For these reasons, I went external.  There are holes in the tubing to reduce the pressure.  I'll run it like this until it burns out (going on two months now), and then I'll assess my options from there.


>> Also what are you using to measure humidity

I have four hygrometers.  Two analog, two digital.  The analog ones are not calibratable (I haven't been able to find one that is), and they both read incorrectly.  One reads 70% when the GH is completely fogged, the other reads around 90%.  So far, I've put my faith in one of the digitals (the expensive one used for measuring humidity in a piano showroom).  It responds quickly and gives readings which "feel" accurate.  The other digital just says "HI" and then "--" when the humidity gets over 90%, so blah.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: Ped]
    #10476612 - 06/09/09 11:19 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> Are those 1/2 pint-regular mouth jars? or wide-mouth Doublestack'd?

They are all wide mouth.  12 of them are of the taller variety, 52 are the shorter, wider variety.


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    #10476676 - 06/09/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Those cakes look great.. I don't think the fruits are small at all.. FAE is very important.. If you only add a few holes your humidity shouldn't be dropping so much... You could Also put a tray of perlite at the bottom of the greenhouse... This will help some... The perlite will give off humidity if you wet it... Also any drips or condensation will be soaked up by the perlite and maybe help keep your humidity... You also can add another Cool Mist...

As far as increasing yields spawning to bulk substrate is the best way to go... I know you have this plan in mind already... You could still use BRF if you wanted... Grains seem to be the best spawn material but some people do use BRF and do well with it... That way if you want to hedge your bets you can... If you still have humidity problems when you switch over to bulk it night be a good idea to case... Use 50/50 mix and that will help you out with humidity in the greenhouse...

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    #10476807 - 06/09/09 12:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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BaKeRx561x420 I started out using your mound of wet verm on top of my cakes. I WILL never do it any other way! I have been getting insane results from my 1/2 pint cakes!:thumbup: Thanks you for sharing that great bit of info with us!:bow2::headbanger:




That method has been here long before I have. I just recommend it because it works well.


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    #10478408 - 06/09/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

wrong thread

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    #10478487 - 06/09/09 05:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thats odd RR uses 2 coomists inside his greenhouses and they dont burn out.

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    #10478859 - 06/09/09 06:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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>> FAE isnt just about replace the still stale air inside your fruitng space, its also about causing evaporation of moisture from your substrate. If your using moist air for FAE its not going to cause as much evaporation.

There are two 12 volt fans inside the GH to help promote circulation.  If I mist my hand and put it inside, I can feel that there is a lot of air circulation.  Could this lack of evaporation be due to excessive humidity?


>> Im assuming that you have modified your coolmist with piping? which isnt a good idea, the motor inside isnt designed to run under pressure and piping in humidity will do that. Modyfing coolmists can burn them out.

I'm aware of this, however: the experience I had with running the coolmist inside the GH was that drawing in air at 95+% rH ruined the filter.  The motor went shortly after that.  This was after only about two weeks of operation.  For these reasons, I went external.  There are holes in the tubing to reduce the pressure.  I'll run it like this until it burns out (going on two months now), and then I'll assess my options from there.


>> Also what are you using to measure humidity

I have four hygrometers.  Two analog, two digital.  The analog ones are not calibratable (I haven't been able to find one that is), and they both read incorrectly.  One reads 70% when the GH is completely fogged, the other reads around 90%.  So far, I've put my faith in one of the digitals (the expensive one used for measuring humidity in a piano showroom).  It responds quickly and gives readings which "feel" accurate.  The other digital just says "HI" and then "--" when the humidity gets over 90%, so blah.




You can use cool mist for fae.  Your grow does not look that bad imo.  If you are conserned about fae and humidity(I know you are,).  You could set up the coolmist/ultrasonic deal where you use the coolmist for fae and the ultrasonic for humidity control look here, 


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=75&Number=2607744&fpart=&PHPSESSID=



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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: george castanza]
    #10479114 - 06/09/09 07:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, looks kinda dry to me. I like to see some shininess(signifying moisture) on parts of my cake. Mist those fuckers 2 times a day...once in teh AM and once before you go to bed. Just use directional spray so as not to hit fruits. Actually, do all this definitely when next flush is under way. Find yourself a good mister...the finer the spray the better.

Also, since you are on a stand with no direct moisture/humidity under cakes i would consider getting a small saucer or jar lid and setting the cakes in there with some soaked verm (about 1/4" worth).

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    #10479247 - 06/09/09 08:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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yeah, looks kinda dry to me. I like to see some shininess(signifying moisture) on parts of my cake. Mist those fuckers 2 times a day...once in teh AM and once before you go to bed. Just use directional spray so as not to hit fruits. Actually, do all this definitely when next flush is under way. Find yourself a good mister...the finer the spray the better.

Also, since you are on a stand with no direct moisture/humidity under cakes i would consider getting a small saucer or jar lid and setting the cakes in there with some soaked verm (about 1/4" worth).




He is misting twice a day(or at least was)...


Ped, putting a saucer of verm on bottom might not be a bad idea at all, that is if you cannot get a ultrasonic, this could help quite a bit, if you are willing to undertake such a task, I myself am lazy as fuck.


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Re: Log: Closet Grow. 64 BRF Cakes, Martha, PICS. [Re: george castanza]
    #10480696 - 06/10/09 01:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> What kind of coolmist do you have

The one that crapped out on me in two weeks (the one inside the GH) was a Vicks humidifier from Walmart.  I'm using a much higher quality Honeywell now.

>>Ped, putting a saucer of verm on bottom might not be a bad idea at all

I would have used the lids for precisely this purpose, but those lids are currently in use on another 72 jars sitting in my incubator right now.

I'm already using a coolmist/ultrasonic combo in my martha.  The problem is my dry climate: FAE and rH are difficult to balance because of it.

I had been misting twice a day before pinning started: a full bottle each time.  Once the pins appeared, I eased up to one mist a day, about half a bottle.  As the mushrooms began to mature, I ramped it up to 5 times day, a full bottle each time.  Keeping up with drying has been a major issue.  While some cakes seem to be fruiting extremely well, others show signs of lack of FAE.  I suppose there are stale air pockets in the FC itself.  In response to this, I've begun fanning three times a day.

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    #10480728 - 06/10/09 01:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)











>> Your grow does not look that bad imo

I totally agree.  The first flush off a few cakes had me concerned.  I adjusted my methods in response, and the rest of the cakes are doing very well now.  Nonetheless, they're not doing the best that they could be, and that has me clammoring for better methods.  I like automation as well.  I do not enjoy sitting at work wishing I could be misting and fanning my GH.

All in all, I'm happy to gain the experience so that I can share what I learn with other new growers as time goes on.  Call it the life cycle of cultivators.


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    #10480882 - 06/10/09 02:09 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Those are looking great !

I was always led to believe that humidifiers were not for FAE and for the reason i stated.

I still dont understand how the coolmist crapped out from running out inside the greenhose.


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    #10482238 - 06/10/09 12:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm already using a coolmist/ultrasonic combo in my martha.  The problem is my dry climate: FAE and rH are difficult to balance because of it.







I guess what I meant to ask was did you try turning up the ultrasonic? 

I used to keep two big tubs of perlite on the bottom of my gh but it was also filled with bulk trays, perhaps a few cassings on the bottom next time would help out the cakes on top.


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    #10483755 - 06/10/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

It must have taken you FOREVER to make up 72 jars and innoc them all!:eek:


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    #10485378 - 06/10/09 10:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> I guess what I meant to ask was did you try turning up the ultrasonic?

Yes.  It creates a fog situation whereby not just the greenhouse is fogged, but there's water running down the walls in the closet too.  There seems to be this tiny tipping point between too little and way too much.  Right now it is functioning fine, but I am tied down to constant fanning.  Automation > Work.


>> It must have taken you FOREVER to make up 72 jars and innoc them all!

I do recall thinking something to the effect of "How is the action of preparing THIS jar any more real than the memory of the last jar, or the anticipation of the next?"  Whilst scooping substrate in to the jar, this idea daunted my mind:  in that instant, preparing the jars lasted all eternity.


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    #10492029 - 06/11/09 11:59 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

These pics are the last of the 1st flush.  The last of the dunking is now complete, and I'm awaiting flush #2.  I'll have weights from the first flush as soon as they finish drying. 









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    #10500978 - 06/13/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

My second flush is extremely weak.  A few small mushrooms per cake, if that.  Lots of aborts. 

The cakes were dunked 24 hours after the first flush was complete.  I haven't changed any of my methods.  I'd post pics, but frankly that would be embarassing.

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    #10501019 - 06/13/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

What was the total weight per cake. maybe it put it all out on 1 flush.

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    #10502434 - 06/13/09 11:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Those fruits are STILL drying.  There was a tremendous quantity of them.  Once they're finished drying, I'll post some weights.  It does makes sense though that the nutrients in those cakes were sucked dry after the first flush.  There was a huge amount of fruits that came off them once I started fanning/misting properly.


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    #17005584 - 10/10/12 02:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I have an incredible amount of respect for You. This is the largest grow I've ever seen done by one person alone in a closet. I'll be checking for updates and I wish You the best of luck!

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    #21892794 - 07/03/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Great right up!

Once one becomes proficient in the lab, efficiency increases.  I can inoculate over 5 dozen pint cakes an hour when I have everything prepared.  If I want to take my time, 4 dozen cakes an hour is no problem.  I tend to inoculate around 14 to 22 dozen cakes at a time which equals about 2 - 3 large batches, what I can prepare and PC in about a day, by myself, if there are no major interruptions.  It's about having a clear head, discipline and focus folks.  Learning how to streamline the system to produce at an economy of scale; assembly line production and basic economics.  Large manufacturing plants (funny that they call these "plants") hire specialists to video people working and then they work on how to make the workers more efficient so that production per worker can increase.  A few seconds here and there really add up when you are operating to scale.

Why not bulk?  I'm currently just too much of a dumb-ass to make it work.  Working on an insane automated FC myself that is huge.  It can hold over 200 cakes and double that when double stacked.  I was getting 48 cakes into a mono-tub and averaging around a 1/2 lb per tub with the record at over 13.5 oz.  No messin' around here.  All business.

 

I also inoculate from grain to straw that I soaked, drained and just throw in a cardboard box that I moistened.  I use this to inoculate the compost in my garden.  I also use the box to inoculate more moistened corrugated cardboard.  Nothing like recycling your cardboard into mycelial lenses to inoculate your outdoor patches with.  I compost my contaminated cakes into the garden and often the mycelium that is still good jumps into the compost and away it goes.

The outdoor mushrooms depicted below are very short due to a lack of humidity, but with shelter from plants and in a automated misted low-hoop tunnel, they would be much larger.

A bit new to using forums, so hopefully this isn't what they call hijacking a thread.  If so, please tell me gently and I will take care of it.  Just thought it was funny that people think of 6 dozen cakes as a lot when that is 2 PCers worth and less than a half batch of the media I make.

   

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