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 Low testosterone. 
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I have this and it kind of sucks. 290 total with the range being from 250-1125 or something to that effect. The doctors think it's okay because it's within the range but 290 is a level for like 60 year old men and I'm 21. Mine should naturally be a lot higher.
Overall it's not TOO bothersome. I'm thin and smaller because of it but that doesn't bother me so much. What bothers me are the random encounters with depression, lethargy, low to non-existent sex drive, and lethargy that come with it. Testosterone has direct effects on these things and I'm pretty sure my level explains the above especially because the type of depression that spouts with it deals with simply a lack of "fire" or in other words liveliness. Which can be hard to muster sometimes.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do about this or how I feel about it. The doctors don't seem to want to help and if I try to put in a lot of effort with finding the right one, I'm just going to end up out of money and with some nasty salve that you smear on your ballsack which barely works. I'm not up for finding steroids and injecting clinical doses to keep things normal. At least not yet. And I'm afraid that I'll just become some bro-ski and lose myself in that whole slightly deranged to seriously deranged but not always deranged world of juicing. I already do all these things:
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/10-tips-to-increase-natural-testosterone-production.html
and unfortunately have the cholesterol of 6 large whales. But even that doesn't seem to help promote anything.
All in all, it's interesting to note how strongly test levels effect our lives. I bet now I can go out and with some accuracy point out how much testosterone everyone has and tell you which songs are written by men with low test. This is the kind of superpower that's actually a burden and is completely unenjoyable to have..
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 Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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 well at least your cock dosnt swell up from wanking too much.
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Have you ever NOT felt an orgasm before? Trust me, it blows.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
#10408652 - 05/27/09 04:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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exercise dude.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
#10408902 - 05/27/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I made a post a while back about my testosterone levels. Like you, I am small and skinny. I also was suffering from lethargy, lack of sex drive, etc.. I went in to get checked for my level and I was about 800 or so. So, I should be a raging stallion for Christ's sake but I'm not.
I have been doing a lot more cardio lately (biking because it got nice out) and I have noticed I am hornier and feel more "guyish". I would suggest that you start exercising more.
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I exercise all the fucking time and it doesn't do so much in that department.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
#10409051 - 05/27/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You need to do Heavy Deadlifts or squats if you can. Either do 3 sets of 10-12 squats or 3 sets of 3-5 Deadlifts.
If I do that then I can feel a huge testosterone boost. It is hard on your muscles and body tho, you have to be fit. I don't even do them very much, but they will get you ripped too.
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All ready do it. They actually just make me more tired and lethargic.
btw all this was already covered in the OP. Please check the link before going on to recommend that I fix up my diet, sleep more, and stop drinking. Already done done and done.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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How many blood tests have you had to determine your T levels, at least three is warranted to be truly concerned about hormone level issues (same goes for hyperthyroidism, hypergonadism, etc..) High cholesterol levels have been found correlated with lowered tesosterone levels in heart disease, which is kind of interesting since it would be expected that increased cholesterol would increase Testosterone (cholesterol --> pregnenolone --> --> --> testosterone).
What kind, and how many tests have you been through, what doctors have you seen? How long as this been going on, when did you first notice it?? Finding out what has been done, what you've said, and what's been said to you, would be helpful in dispensing some useful advice on where you should go and perhaps what you should say to your doctor. In practicing medicine, if the patient finds that there is a problem, then there truly is a problem; even if there is no problem and they think there's a problem (whether it's the same imagined one or not, there is some problem here obviously).
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: neuro]
#10409418 - 05/27/09 06:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think 1 or 2. I can only find 1 result but I'm pretty sure I had it done again at some point and had a very similar count. As for cholesterol I've had it tested 3 times but different doctors and it's always been high. This could be the result of my diet high in animal fats but there's honestly not much about that I can change at the moment. Not only am I poor, I can't digest grains or starches. In fact I had some today and I was in so much hurt I ran to Whole Foods to buy some over priced HCL and ate a whole bunch before things started getting worse.
It's pretty damn shitty. And if I don't continue to survive off of animal fats I'll basically wither away since I eat little to no carbs. They want to talk to me about cholesterol medicine some day soon but I'm not going to have a thing to do with it.
As for low test I've been experiencing it for years. As a teen I was so damn horny I actually thought I was straight but then that dropped off and I've been going through cyclical low test symptoms ever since.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
#10409994 - 05/27/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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check out tongkat ali. it is a herb from southeast asia that makes the bodies own herring cells produce more testosterone.
link
some other herbs that would work synergistic with that are horny goat weed, mucuna pruriens, and ginsing.
if you cycle all of these throughout the month(s) then you will see some results. for example,
week 1: tongkat ali and horny goat weed
week 2: tongkat ali and ginsing
week 3: tongkat ali and muncuna pruiens
week 4: take a break
repeat
or you can take a certain combination one week and then cycle all of them throughout the days in the following week. then go back to one combination.
I find that herbs work best when you take them off and on, don't just load up everyday. It keeps your body guessing and you will see more effect. hope this helps.
edit: i just read about your digestion problem. check this out. oh and look into probiotics. keifer is yummy and full of good flora.
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What is your normal diet?
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are you asking the OP or me???
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>>check out tongkat ali. it is a herb from southeast asia that makes the bodies own herring cells produce more testosterone.
Leydig Cells produce testosterone. I would stay away from herbal sources of human steroid mimicry as playing with this body system can be dangerous and have some dangerous consequences. I know we all play with our brain chemistry here, or at least most of us might, but in this case I'd not reccommend an "herbal" fix for this problem. It should be explored medically as well as psychologically. Disease lies within a spectrum, and normal values of hormone counts are different from hospital to hospital even, and sometimes follow a pattern called a receiver operator curve. This can be a tricky thing to interpret.
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#10410552 - 05/27/09 09:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your symptoms, smaller size, lack of energy, depression etc.. could also be the result of some other disorder that may be worth checking into - Thyroid disorders can cause these things, as well as cortisol and adrenal disorders.
In addition what is the nature of your grain and starch digestion disorder? Normally someone who can't digest grains has something called Celiac Disease also know as Sprue. But starches wouldn't be included in this. Having starch enzyme problems would be a very big problem that would present early in life. Have these problems also persisted since childhood?
It would be good to get a blood test that does the works, does some simple hormone testing, including your Testosterone Levels which include Free Testosterone and Sex Hormone Binding Protein levels which shows bound-testosterone (you need it for it to travel in the blood), LH - Luteinizing Hormone (stimulates T production from Leydig Cells), also TSH for thyroid. While they're at it a CBC with differential wouldn't be bad. CBC stands for complete blood count, it'll tell you about your red blood cells and white blood cells and if you're anemic and various other important things. These labs can all be effected in disease and it would be a good idea to get a whole picture if you'd like to pursue a treatment for some of your complaints; supposing you indeed find them to be bothersome enough one day. If you really wanted to get crazy and you really narrowed down your problem to a pure Testosterone issue and nothing else (some other disease like hyperthyroid lets say) then you could get a biopsy of your testicles and look for Leydig Cell atrophy, but that would be a very extreme to have to do. odds are against that happening.
Good luck no matter what you decide.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: neuro]
#10410657 - 05/27/09 10:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think my CBCs were a little low too, and I tried to ask the nurse about it but she said the doctor didn't highlight it and I would have to talk to them next week.
My diet is basically fatty meats, veggies and berries. Usually chicken thighs and spinach boiled in tea, or cabbage boiled in tea. Sometimes I'll pick up avocados, sometimes I'll pick up some dark chocolate. As for other vegetables I pick them up when necessary. Things like tomatoes, celery, broccoli. I'll usually stick to strawberries for fruit as most other ones burn my stomach. When I get sick of chicken I'll go ahead and pick up a lean cut of red meat. Almost all these meals are mono meals eaten throughout the day. When I feel my performance declining in the gym I'll mix a bunch of raw honey in tea or just take it by the spoonful until I feel better. Oh and sometimes I'll have fatty fish but not often.
Growing up my parents fed me shit and never cared if I was hungry or not so I basically ate what I could get. I probably had stomach problems but I never really noticed because I was too busy just trying to get fed most of the time. But yeah I was usually constipated, had very low energy, and my complexion was pretty bad. It was still bad when I started buying my own food until I cut out gluten and dairy. Then I was STILL having problems with the other grains, and my body doesn't even seem to digest things like brown rice. But meat digests perfectly fine and green vegetables do okay if I don't eat too many.
BTW I'll sometimes remember things that used to happen to me when I was little. Like I remember every time my parents took me to some shitty ass restaurant (Bob Evans, Hometown Buffet, Apple Bees) and I had something with lots of flour, like something with gravy, I would always end up vomiting. I remember my dad used to get super pissed at me because I would eat all the tums. Things like that will come back to me and tell me that I've always had stomach problems. Especially when I'm around my little sister because she is just like me. Unfortunately my parents won't listen and try to feed her better.
Also since you mentioned cortisol and adrenals, I think that somehow correlates to my sort of need of stimulants. Having lots of caffeine is basically my baseline. Without it I'm pretty much dead. I also tried adderall recently and that seems like a complete godsend. It made me feel GREAT. Not recreationally, but for my life. My moods were more stable, I didn't have dips in energy, I could concentrate, if I felt sad I could analyze it and make it go away etc.. I was feeling how I think I should feel or at least how I perceive a healthy human should feel. This probably has something to do with all that. There is this supplement I once tried called Reset A.D. which is supposed to help out your adrenal glands but it didn't seem to do shit for me.
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Neuro, do you mind going into more detail?
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#10445523 - 06/03/09 12:58 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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It depends on what CBC count was low. CBC stands for "Complete Blood Count" it gives you the break down of the number of red blood cells, platelets, white blood cells, standard size of the redblood cell and other red cell attributes that are helpful in distinguishing different types of anemia. If you have other deficiencies of blood components or over abundance of some blood components that would indicate that something further needs to be checked out/addition tests needed.
Your food stories are intriguing but not all that surprising, sounds positive for celiac disease which is a hypersensitivity reaction to gliadin, and endomesyn which are proteins found in the "gluten" containing foods. Blood tests fo anti-gliadin antibodies and anti-endomesyn antibodies will determine this.
As for the other sensitivities, it may be indicative of something it may not, a diet/GI/metabolic doctor/geneticist specialist would be the person to consult. Questions that are important are about family history of gastro-intestinal diseases, hypersensitivities, "food allergies," cancers, and other similar symptoms as you described.
If you had low coritsol levels you'd have something called Addisons disease. Chances are 1 in 100,000 This is a primary defect in your adrenal glands. This results in decreased or lack of cortisol levels that would manifest in cardiovascular collapse and failure in times of stress and illness. You'd have pigmented skin/darkening of your skin in both sun-exposed and non-sun-exposed areas. You can have a secondary defect, this is a defect in the signaling pathway that stimulates your adrenal glands, Secondary defects include things that disrupt the organs in the pathway like parts of the brain and the pituitary gland. Lack of blood flow to the pituitary gland can cause this, tumors of the pituitary -most often prolactinomas or tumors disease of the hypothalamus can also cause this, and other drugs can also interfere with the signaling pathway.
The pituitary is responsible for regulating your thyroid, sex hormones, adrenals, the ovulation cycle in women, it also includes the neural portion of the pituitary that releases antidiuretic hormone, deficiencies of antidiuretic hormone (ADH) and oxytocin; ADH deficiencies can cause diabetes insipidis, the in ability to hold on to water. This means you'd pee a lot and drink a lot. A tumor in the pituitary gland, prolactinoma, or near it from a meningioma -a tumor that grows from the covering of the skull just below the brain - would compress the pituitary gland and decrease it's function interfering, diminishing, or stopping all functioning. These are rare tumors.
I would say your theory is probably mistaken, i doubt you have any of the possible diseases i've listed, or even the ones i've not listed. However if you feel you have issues that are best treated by stimulant use, it may be b etter to bring all of these up with a doctor you find you have a good rapport with it and investigate together the cause and solution of your ailments.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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Hey, Pyro. Sorry to hear about your hormone issues. I'm going through some of the same problems myself. My test is actually high though, 862 total, but I've had low libido for the past 6 months. I think maybe I figured out the cause of my problems though. I was taking massive amounts of fish oil. So much omega3 that it completely fucked my body out of being able to produce any omega6 eicasanoids. Not to mention that I was being so cautious about my diet that I wasn't getting enough regular fats/ omega6's anyway.
Any type of diet or supplement extremism could screw up your body processes.
If you can't eat carbs that could definitely be holding your test levels down. Are legumes an option for you? Could you post all of your diet and supplements and be as specific as possible? Posting all of your hormone related blood work would help too. My high progesterone is what led me to find the link between fish oil and hormones.
A quick fix to the libido I found is dopamine agonists. For some reason cialis sent my libido through the roof too, but I'm thinking maybe the RC company spiked it with something. Who knows though.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PowerTrip]
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tsh and test levels should be here on Friday.
They recommend Simvastatin. Should I take it?
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Hey, Pyro. Sorry to hear about your hormone issues. I'm going through some of the same problems myself. My test is actually high though, 862 total, but I've had low libido for the past 6 months. I think maybe I figured out the cause of my problems though. I was taking massive amounts of fish oil. So much omega3 that it completely fucked my body out of being able to produce any omega6 eicasanoids. Not to mention that I was being so cautious about my diet that I wasn't getting enough regular fats/ omega6's anyway.
Any type of diet or supplement extremism could screw up your body processes.
If you can't eat carbs that could definitely be holding your test levels down. Are legumes an option for you? Could you post all of your diet and supplements and be as specific as possible? Posting all of your hormone related blood work would help too. My high progesterone is what led me to find the link between fish oil and hormones.
A quick fix to the libido I found is dopamine agonists. For some reason cialis sent my libido through the roof too, but I'm thinking maybe the RC company spiked it with something. Who knows though.
Jesus, how much fish oil were you taking?
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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>>They recommend Simvastatin. Should I take it?
Well there can be side effects to those drugs, but in general it's well tolerated. And if you have intolerable side-effects on one 'statin' you can switch to another which may incur less or no side effect. Lowering your cholesterol is a good idea and statins do it quite well. It's ultimately your choice though. If it were me I'd take it.
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I looked at the side effects and because they seem mild I was ready to take it. But then again they include diarrhea/constipation and all stomach problems in between. Which is the last thing I need. At this point I've been going but a lot at the same time constipated for about 2 weeks. Being able to physically feel the knot in your intestines, hear the gurgle of it trying to do something, and the nausea from it's failure are among the worst things ever. My physical life has really been in the pits. I feel like all of my energy is being assigned to this digestion which isn't working. Maybe I'll go pick it up after class and test it out for awhile.
Other than that I just got a letter telling me my TTG IGA is 3 which is good. They tested me for celiac sprue which I didn't know. I'm not sure why they did that because I told them I've been gluten free for months (about 6 months straight with no accidents I think). You have to actually force yourself to eat gluten for over half a year to get a result which is the most backwards fucked up thing I've ever heard. I swear, America is completely insane. I feel completely hopeless and as if the problems I'm having now aren't going to get solved any time soon. I'm actually hoping something comes up in my tsh test so I can just get it over with (assuming that's the problem.).
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Aww fuck..
Testosterone total: 165
TSH: 104
I have to have them read the report off to me because their website is lame. Anyway all his notes said was "his test is a little. Set him up with an endocrinologist in the future". Like I'm about to be running around with 165 testosterone all summer with no meds giving me dopamine support.
Fuck shit cock piss.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: Society]
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Jesus, how much fish oil were you taking?
10 grams a day of Now Super EPA. I definitely had no joint pain for a while..
I was avoiding a lot of "unhealthy" foods, and eating mostly grains at the time. I was overloading on the omega 3's and my diet had me missing out on most of the 6's which made it worse.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PowerTrip]
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Damn, ten grams! I just looked at my fish oil bottle and it's 1200mg/day.
Pyro: 
I've had a suspicion for a while that I have low testosterone levels too, but I have been putting off the doctor visit cuz it seems like it can get expensive real fast. If you don't mind me asking, do you have insurance? How much is this costing you?
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$0 so far. Insurance is good.
Got a letter from my doc saying "We'll do further testing when you settle down" as if a silly pun will take away from the sting that I have to wait FOUR MONTHS until this shit begins to get solved.
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Oh, and I'm glad to hear you aren't spending a grip on all this.
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Eat some damn herbs!
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Get some red Maca, it will help raise your testosterone (libido at the very least). And as shroomism said there are many herbs which can increase the circulating levels of testosterone when used with proper diet and exercise.
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There aren't really. I've read many many accounts of pro-bodybuilders doing anything to stimulate test and prohomones and shit like horny goat weed doesn't do anything. No "stacks" you can buy are very effective and the people who make them are just out to make some quick cash.
As I said I already follow a proper diet (though absent of grains and starches due to a very poor digestive system which DOES NOT respond well to prolonged periods of exposure so don't waste time recommending "a little at a time so you get used to it") and exercise regularly with compound lifts.
Besides the above won't make my test raise 300% to normal levels. At best I'm looking at like 10 nanograms from the best legal shit I can gather all at once. I happen to need 640 more nanograms. Tomorrow I'm going to call and yell at Slartiblartfast (my doctor) and if nothing comes of it I'll look into working with steroids myself. Which I'm not liking the sound of but it's not like things are going well anyway.
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You need to do Heavy Deadlifts or squats if you can. Either do 3 sets of 10-12 squats or 3 sets of 3-5 Deadlifts.
If I do that then I can feel a huge testosterone boost. It is hard on your muscles and body tho, you have to be fit. I don't even do them very much, but they will get you ripped too.
Hell yea. I affirm this advice. Heavy lifting 3 times a week is like a fucking upper for me.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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Aww fuck..
Testosterone total: 165
TSH: 104
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What are the reference units for those values, i am not used to seeing TSH represented like that, for example i see TSH between .33 and 5.05 mg/dL when i get blood chemistry results.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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Have you tried zinc? My total test is 862, out of range on the high end. Some people said it could have been from my high zinc intake, 50-100mg/day. I'm not telling you to take that much, but if you aren't getting any then that's one place to start. Avoid calcium or dairy around the time you take it or it wont be absorbed.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PowerTrip]
#10481483 - 06/10/09 08:35 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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test is nanograms.
TSH in the other form was 1.04 actually.
Thanks for pointing that out. I might look into ZMA to see if that helps because old men take it (zinc, magnesium, something) and report some success.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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You should ask to have your GnRH levels and LH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone and Luteinizing Hormones) leveled checked. GnRH from the hypothalamus causes the release of LH from the pituitary gland into the circulation of the blood, it reaches the testicles and stimulates testosterone production. (in women it's all involved in the menstrual cycle)
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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this WILL raise your test levels:
eat higher amounts of healthy fats and some saturated in your diet (lots of nuts, almonds, eggs, salmon)
lots of protein (but not more in grams than you eat carbs as this will lower test) Beef, lots of beef.
heavyweight compound exercises (3 sets of 6-8 have been shown to increase test the most) I highly suggest the squat.
zinc/magnesium supplemented before bed (zinc alone causes significantly more hardons which somewhat proves increased test). zinc deficiency has been linked to low test.
hope this has helped and absolutely #1 would be to increase healthy fats into the diet and possibly lower carbs.
Ive learned this info while researching training and weightlifting
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: grimR]
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grimR said:
this WILL raise your test levels:
eat higher amounts of healthy fats and some saturated in your diet (lots of nuts, almonds, eggs, salmon)
lots of protein (but not more in grams than you eat carbs as this will lower test) Beef, lots of beef.
heavyweight compound exercises (3 sets of 6-8 have been shown to increase test the most) I highly suggest the squat.
zinc/magnesium supplemented before bed (zinc alone causes significantly more hardons which somewhat proves increased test). zinc deficiency has been linked to low test.
hope this has helped and absolutely #1 would be to increase healthy fats into the diet and possibly lower carbs.
Ive learned this info while researching training and weightlifting
I know you're trying to help but RRRRRRRRRRRRRR FUCK OFF DUDE I've covered that shit multiple goddamn times.
I'll look into the (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone and Luteinizing Hormones) thing
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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I'm not suggesting you throw a pill at the problem before exhausting all other possibilities but...
Andriol (Testosterone undecanoate) is a testosterone-delivering drug, as an oral softgel capsule. What you get is natural testosterone, without injecting or other bothersome methods.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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I feel for you. I sometimes wonder if I have the same problem because I very, very rarely get angry, I'm not at all competitive - I'd rather not have anything to do with sports, and I do have a lacking sex drive, but that makes me who I am and I don't feel that it needs to be changed.
Things could be worse though, just talk to your doctor and get it sorted it, it's a fairly common problem that is easily fixed.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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I can't advise on what to eat or exercise to raise testosterone levels, but I do know that Bisphenol A increases male sterility.
When it gets absorbed into the body it mimics estrogen, so I can imagine that shrinking testicles.
http://www.naturalnews.com/022848.html
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Estrogen Mimicry of Bisphenol-A Threatens Human and Animal Health
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(NaturalNews) Bisphenol-A could be making us fatter. Diet and too little exercise are the main culprits of what has been called the obesity epidemic, but the hormone mimicker bisphenol-A might be tipping the scales, so to speak.
Bisphenol-A (BPA) is mainly found in polycarbonate plastic, which is labeled with the number 7; in plastic food wrap, and in the resins that coat the inside of metal cans for food. It is so prevalent in today's products that it is even in refrigerator shelving, water bottles, plastic food storage containers, water pipes and flooring.
BPA is an endocrine disrupter that mimics the hormone estrogen. Studies have shown harmful biological effects on animals using low-doses of the chemical and harmful effects on humans have been observed outside of studies. Hormone disrupting effects have been shown to occur at levels of application as low as 2-5 pars per billion and many canned foods are within and over this range. [1] With such a low level of toxicity, it's easy to see how even a minuscule rate of bisphenol-A (BPA) leakage from plastics disturbs many people. The damaging effects of the chemical include impairment and unnatural changes to sex organs and their functions, increased tumor formation, hyperactivity, neurotoxin effects, and signs of early puberty have been observed. Clearly, BPA's toxic effects are diverse.
A recent study by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention discovered that about 93% of the United States population have bisphenol-A in their body at a median concentration of 2.7 ppb. [2]
A group of BPA experts determined that the average levels seen in people are above those seen to cause harm to animals during laboratory experiments. [3]
The Health Canada provisional human safe exposure limit is set at 25 parts per billion per day (ppb/day). Their American neighbors have set the human safe exposure limit to 50 ppb. Here comes the surprising part. Below the United States' maximum limit, animals have been observed to display hyperactivity (sounds like ADD/ADHD) and a reversal of normal sex difference in their brain structure at 30 ppb/day. Below the Canadian level for maximum exposure, there has been a notable increase in damage to DNA at 20 ppb/day, insulin resistance (often leading to metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes) at 10 ppb/day, early puberty at 2.4 ppb/day (at one tenth of the maximum safe limit), and other types of harm to sex organs even at levels of approximately 0.025 ppb/day, which is much lower than what was in more than half of the people in the CDC study. [1]
An infant that is fed canned formula with polycarbonate bottles can take in up to 13 ppb/ day of BPA. [4]
Many of the results of BPA exposure, at limits below what is in the average person, have resulted in animal impairments whose counterparts in humans have been growing in populations as the amount of BPA in the environment has increased. In recent decades, type-2 diabetes has increased, positive ADD/ADHD diagnoses have increased, and rates of early puberty have gone up. Perhaps BPA exposure causes similar impairments to humans as it does to animals at similar levels. [3]
In a recent study, researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia fed quantities of BPA to mice during their early development that produced amounts in their bodies that were lower than levels found in most people by the U.S. C.D.C. study. A result of this was that the mice became significantly more obese as adults than their fellow mice that were not given BPA. [5] Tufts University researchers found a similar occurrence in rats. The chemical industry disagrees with these results.
This is the recent link between low-level BPA exposure and obesity. Frederick vom Saal, a BPA-studying biological scientist at the University of Missouri-Columbia said to the Boston Globe that exposure "can be critical on the front end of one's life where the rest of your life's physiology is being programmed." If BPA is present during fetal development, it may be part of the explanation for the trend of increased and younger rates of obesity. Its damaging effects seem to be permanent.
Vom Saal said, "The idea that this is a strong, durable product is an illusion. The chemists have known that the Bisphenol A chemical is constantly leaching and coming into contact with food or water. It's going to damage your body." [6]
This year, nine states have pending legislation that will limit BPA's use in containers. [7]
There are many other endocrine disruptors similar to BPA. Educate yourself and limit your exposure.
[1]"Bisphenol A: Toxic Plastics Chemical in Canned Food." http://www.ewg.org/reports/bisphenola
[2]"New Data from CDC Confirms Human Exposure to Bisphenol A in the United States is Far Below Safe Limits." http://www.bisphenol-a.org/whatsNew...
[3]"Chapel Hill bisphenol A expert panel consensus statement: integration of mechanisms, effects in animals and potential to impact human health at current levels of exposure." http://endocrinedisruptors.missouri...
[4]http://www.efsa.europa.eu/EFSA/efsa...
[5]Richter, C.R., Birnbaum, L.S., Farabollini, F., Newbold, R.R., Rubin, B.S., Talsness, C.E., Vandenbergh, J.G., Walser-Kuntz, D.R. and vom Saal, F.S. "In vivo effects of bisphenol A in laboratory rodent studies." Reprod. Toxicol. 24:199-224, 2007.
[6]"Uncovering a Hidden Danger." http://atmizzou.missouri.edu/jun03/...
[7]"Parents Concerned Over Potentially Toxic Baby Bottles." http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/story?...
About the author
Tom Mosakowski, B.S. Biochemistry. He can be contacted at TomMosakowski@gmail.com
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
#10601649 - 07/01/09 02:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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You have to work out more
I workout 6 times a week and i want my testosterone high
if you start working out hit the squats more (they give alot of boost to testosterone)
i take cyclo-bolan, it boosts testosterone..
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Stupid doctor didn't listen to me. I went to get my blood drawn today and am woozy as hell (didn't faint this time!!).
EDIT: No no, it was a hormone he tested. Just adderall.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: PyroBurns]
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Damn, the doctor sent you home with Human Growth Hormone and Adderall? That's pretty outrageous.
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: lukeboots]
#10629422 - 07/06/09 10:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Start eating more raw plant foods, kale, sweet fruits etc. and smoke more cannabis(or start smoking if you don't already)
"Estrogens are a well known group of steroid compounds that functions as the primary female sex hormone. Progesterone is part of this group, and is a steroid hormone that is secreted by the corpus leteum of the ovary and by the placenta, and regulates female reproductive functions together with estrogen. Progesterone also works to increase the willingness and frequency of copulatory activity (sex). A component of science not always recognized is called Constitutional isomers, which is when two compounds that have the same chemical formula, but different connectivity of atoms. This is very important because ones body may not tell the difference between two totally different chemicals. This is the case for THC, and Progesterone, who both are C21H30O2 (carbon 21; hydrogen 30; Oxygen 2). Tetrahydrocannabinol has the ability to work on neurochemical substrates normally activated by progesterone and may also work via cell-signalling cascades that activate progesterone receptors. In essences, THC has the ability to mimic progesterone in women to increase libido. When female rats are given THC they become much more receptive to the sexual attentions of males
Progesterone, in males, will actually convert to testosterone when needed, as progesterone is a precursor to testosterone. Progesterone can also help to eliminate estrogen in men, and can protect men from diseases, such as diseases associated with the prostate. In this manner, THC could theoretically increase the levels of testosterone, by simulating progesterone in the body, thus increasing a man’s libido.
So as you can see THC is truly magical, as it has the ability to increase the libido of both men and women. And if that was not fantastic enough, because progesterone is an anabolic hormone, it will help burn fat for energy, and so THC when in the human body will encourage the conversion of fat to energy. Though, of course the amount of fat which is burned will depend on the amount of physical activity the users actually partake in
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Start eating more raw plant foods, kale, sweet fruits etc. and smoke more cannabis(or start smoking if you don't already)
"Estrogens are a well known group of steroid compounds that functions as the primary female sex hormone. Progesterone is part of this group, and is a steroid hormone that is secreted by the corpus leteum of the ovary and by the placenta, and regulates female reproductive functions together with estrogen. Progesterone also works to increase the willingness and frequency of copulatory activity (sex). A component of science not always recognized is called Constitutional isomers, which is when two compounds that have the same chemical formula, but different connectivity of atoms. This is very important because ones body may not tell the difference between two totally different chemicals. This is the case for THC, and Progesterone, who both are C21H30O2 (carbon 21; hydrogen 30; Oxygen 2). Tetrahydrocannabinol has the ability to work on neurochemical substrates normally activated by progesterone and may also work via cell-signalling cascades that activate progesterone receptors. In essences, THC has the ability to mimic progesterone in women to increase libido. When female rats are given THC they become much more receptive to the sexual attentions of males
Progesterone, in males, will actually convert to testosterone when needed, as progesterone is a precursor to testosterone. Progesterone can also help to eliminate estrogen in men, and can protect men from diseases, such as diseases associated with the prostate. In this manner, THC could theoretically increase the levels of testosterone, by simulating progesterone in the body, thus increasing a man�s libido.
So as you can see THC is truly magical, as it has the ability to increase the libido of both men and women. And if that was not fantastic enough, because progesterone is an anabolic hormone, it will help burn fat for energy, and so THC when in the human body will encourage the conversion of fat to energy. Though, of course the amount of fat which is burned will depend on the amount of physical activity the users actually partake in
I agree with your food and cannabis recommendations. But you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to physiology and biochemistry.
Constitutional Isomerism means nothing in biochemistry, the orientation of molecules determines everything.
Furthermore, you can't eliminate estrogen in men, it is naturally present and needed for proper bone development.
THC is a magical compound though, and works on many endogenous cannibinoid receptors. It is a powerful medicine.
Also, raw foods and sweet fruit are amazing. I have a garden of organic kale and other greens, time for some good salad.
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a few years back there was a runner in the olympics who had a high level of testosterone and they were trying to explain where it came from. i'm not sure if this was his case ,but they agrueed that drink alcohol and staying up lait and having lots of sex caused this. its been a while but i'm pretty sure that is what they said
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: SOUTHERN]
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Re: Low testosterone. [Re: eligal]
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ROCK ON!! My test result finally came back at 500. And I don't know if I mentioned it but my cholesterol is down to 240.
To be honest, I have no idea what I did. What I do know is that since I've been on the road, I've been forced to eat ultra healthy. You see, I was relying on prepared foods from Whole Foods which usually meant their tuna, chicken breast, random veggies from the salad bar, and sweet potato latkas (these are THE SHIT!). So my consumption of animal fat was low and I had more access to a variety of veggies and stuff. Over priced and ridiculous, I know, but I guess it worked. I think I'm going to try harder to shop for leaner cuts of meat now instead of going for the cheap chicken thighs and what not. I'm also going to cut back on eating so much meat and take in more food from yams and other things that I can find that are easy to digest. Rice is still too hard for me so no grains.
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