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Quote: Do you ever have visual/sensory effects of tripping while sober?
I think many people become more aware of normal visual/sensory effects that are a bit like tripping, after they tripped. Not saying that it's a bad question or that all effects are not caused by tripping, but I think it's very hard to tell what is a direct result of tripping and what is merely a focus on normal effects of our brain, caused by tripping. Interpreting these results is difficult and should be done with care. Good poll though.
thanks for making this poll WS, hopefully lots of people participate. i have never fainted on psychedelics and voted accordingly, but i've met a few people that have. i've always wondered why that happens, if its just the intensity they can't handle or if there is some medical problem going on or what. i wish there were more research for these things.
i wish i knew its over 250 for sure but under 500 im sure but if i contiue use it will be 500 in the next few years lol easy my girl friend is over 500 im sure shes fucking nuts. NYC burning man and psytrance people are surely over 1000 and alot of hippies
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I have had very difficult trips, followed by what could be called mental/emotional/spiritual problems, but I think that the trips brought out latent problems in a fiery manner, rather than creating the problems themselves. Tripping has probably been beneficial to me overall, though it's hard to attribute causality or say "What if..." and place myself in the shoes of an alternate reality non-tripping me.
it started out just an exploration of the drug. i spent alot of time at dead shows in the early-mid 90's, so it was just kinda normal, i guess. it got to where i was doing it 3-4-5 times a week. too much to learn anything from.
then when i started doing phish tours, thats when i started getting reeeaallly heroic with it. i found a new level of self-exploration that i didn't know existed. after 8 years on tour, doing it too much took away from the experience. all of a sudden, draining a vile or eating a sheet didn't take me anywhere new. i needed a break.
this year i dosed again with my nephew(1st timer) and re-discovered what i had lost. dosed again at a moe. show and the joy and bliss is still there.
moderation is the key. too much of anything will take away from the experience. i'm just glad that i know it still has something to teach me. i'm sure i'll do it again someday. just not today.
Quote: i have never fainted on psychedelics and voted accordingly, but i've met a few people that have. i've always wondered why that happens, if its just the intensity they can't handle or if there is some medical problem going on or what. i wish there were more research for these things.
I think I can answer that one. I included fainting because I saw several reports to that effect in my shroomery years.
I think that in part we are dealing here with a genuine pharmacological effect.
Psychedelics are active on serotonin receptors. Some serotonin receptors are involved with blood pressure.
Combine:
The drug interacting with bloodpressure regulation Hypoglycemia Prolonged periods of sitting motionless, then moving Extreme variable emotions
Any of these alone can make some people faint, with psychedelics they intermingle.
If the faint is due to rapid drop of bloodpressure (which most fainting is) theoretically a rare few people could get a heart rhythm disturbance from such a sudden drop, just like that risk exists for any reason such a drop occurs.
Check out what happened to some of our members when on shrooms. This turned up in a few minutes of using the Shroomery search engine:
Quote: This past Sunday I ate 1.7g of B+ aborts around 5:30pm. I would say i reached level 2.5 during my peak. I also had 1.5g of strong kush. Everything was going great until I munched out on some brownies and cheetos around 11:30. I started to feel like I was going to pass out. I was getting real tired and decided to go to bed. I stood up, took two steps, knees buckled and stumbled back into my chair. . My wife decided not to eat them this night. Good thing. As I stumbled back into the chair she said I lost all color. My lips were dead white. She said first I was smacking my lips, then my eyes rolled into the back of my head and was throwing my head back. I had passed/blacked/ out. She kept saying I was grasping for air, then my face turned blood red, then she said I was hacking loudly. She claims my color turned white again, I opened my eyes with huge pupils, then I had a huge burp. Then I puked. All of this happened within a few minutes too. . I knew that I was going to be ok. It was seeing my wife freak out and thinking I was going to die. Thats what really upset me the most. After I vomited I felt great. I was bewildered at the fact that this had happened off of 1.7g. She wants me to stop my hobby but I refuse to accept that it was the mushrooms. I blame myself. It was a really weird experience. (...) Me: Im 25, 6'2", 210lbs. In good shape. I hiked the A.T. for my honeymoon last year. HuMe35
Quote: Normal and common. I think it's low blood pressure. That's what it felt like when it happened to me. Weed makes it more likely. It isn't anything to worry about. Everyone freaks out the first time they pass out on shrooms. Like I said, it's really pretty normal. LSDreamer
Quote: A friend (who now has a fried brain) told me about it [the Shroomery]. We're still good friends.Sad story because he's suck a great guy. He has a history of mental illness in his family and ever since he took shrooms he's had some mental issues like HPPD and even what I think is mild synesthesia (if I can be so bold as to call it that). He's got some depression issues too since he was physically and mentally abused as a child. . One of those guys that had so much potential, but circumstance drove him to do bad things. He was like... a rose that had a chance to be something beautiful but was deprived of nutrients and was kept in a closet. . I don't think it was shrooms that did him in per se, but rather the thing that got the ball rolling. He considered it the greatest thing he had in his life but years later he still sees floors wobble and tracers. He only tried shrooms once. . He also lost his ability to comprehend time. If you ask him to meet you at a certain time he might show up 3 to 4 hours later. He understands his watch but he isn't able to focus on how it works. Kind of like having a piece of paper with words in a language you don't understand; he knows there's something there but he isn't able to decipher it's meaning. . The only time he lights up is when talking about drugs. The man has the mind of a shaman. But everything else he's ever had has either been lost or degraded since his trip. He's mentally unstable sometimes, and has bouts of depression. He's 21 and getting ready for his 8th year in high school. Wapakz
Quote: Hi all... The other night me and some friends were doing a little level-3 trip on some C. Cubensis and we had with us three people that were new to shrooms. Of these three, two had a good trip--no worries. However, one girl, as she started peaking, started having seizures. Uncontrollable muscle spasms that looked painful as hell. It was scary and I was about to take her out of the house and call an ambulance. Each time a "wave" would hit she would start with the seizures again. The fact that they were coming and going made gave us enough confidence that nothing deadly was about to happen. She was having no trouble breathing, no pain, and she was lucid and could speak fine. So we rode it out. As she came down a bit, the seizures went away...but this took about 4 hours to happen. This would indicate to me that the effect was partially dependent on the dosage. Once she came down a bit the seizures stopped entirely and she was able to have a good trip. I know that strobe lights can kick off an epileptic when on shrooms...but I have never heard of any problems like this in an otherwise healthy individual. She does have ambliopea (a slight disfunction of the visual cortex that causes her to have very poor sight in one eye). Has anyone heard of these kind of seizures before? (...) Hm...muscle spasms? I use the word seizure because she was flopping around on the floor legs arms, hands convulsing etc. It was not an act though. Was yours of the same magnitude? Must have been pretty disconcerting if it was. I guess what I am trying to determine here is how dangerous this is and how likely is it to happen to her again. Strabo
Quote: When it happens to me it starts as a slight tremor in my thighs, to a point where I cannot hide it from others in the room. Then it intensifies until I am lying in the fetal position shaking hard enough to rattle my bedsprings. It was EXTREMELY disconcerting the first time (Thought I was going to die; it's SCARY), now it's debilitating but I don't worry about it because it goes away (I thought I as permanently FUCKED the first time). When it really gets going I can see the individual muscles firing in my legs as if they've been zapped with a mild electrical charge; sort of like an involuntary reflex, but in all different muscles. WhiskeyClone
Quote: i took them yesterday (an 8th spread over about 3 hours)... so many events happened i cant remember them all right now - i "lost myself" for most of the duration of the trip but one bad thing was my eyes rolled into the back of my head and i passed out for a little while (as i was told by a person who saw me) - all I remember from this was I was down in my kitchen getting some food and a whole bunch of activity started in my brain and as i tried to walk up to my room and get out of there a river of brown/black seemed to close on my head. i passed out for about a minute and all i remember was white but the rest of the stuff that happened i can't remember. when i woke up i felt really sweaty/wet but i had no perspiration. i smoked about four bowls of marijuana throughout the day if that sparks any explanation CFCID
Quote: HPPD aka Hallucinogen Persisting Perceptual Disorder is a (not so) rare complication of doing Shrooms, Acid and so on. It's basically that you get the perceptual effects of hallucinogens for weeks, months or years without having imbided a Psychedelic. Now you allways think: that's not going to happen to me! . I thought so too, especially after 9 years and about 70 exposures to Shrooms etc. Well: it did. . Some time now I thought I needed an eyedoctor. My vision was not what it's allways been, not quite the same. And about a week ago something happened that opened my eyes. . I was sitting behind my computer writing some stuff. Suddenly I smelled a strong and 100% real aftershave-odor. Now I only rarely use the stuff because of sensitive skin. Haven't seen it for months, actually. But it was an 100% real aftershave odor, no doubt in my mind. I got up and sniffed it out. Ah, well... . I got my Yawara-stick and went trough my house looking for burglars or whatever. Nothing. Doors & windows closed, nobody there. So I sniffed it out further. The odor was strongest where I've been sitting and filled my livingroom etc, but not the bathroom where I keep such stuff nor dit it come from outside. . Ah, yeah, right: Odor hallucination. So would this be one of those flashbacks? Sat on my couch and stared at the carpet (works great on trips) to see if there was something going on. Indeed there was: Flowing, breathing, undulating, patterning... Very Shroomy and quite impressive since I haven't imbided for 3 months and then only 0.5gr of good shrooms. . Right, a flashback then: better enjoy the ride! My mind was very clear, just like it's always been, but still I was vividly hallucinating. I monitored it. It has been a week now & it's been there all the time. I thought about those visual disturbances I have and the picture became complete: Colors a bit off, blurry contrasts between objects, sometimes having to blink a couple of times before being able to read something... HPPD. . It comes in waves: Most of the time it's (fortunately for me) almost unnoticable but sometimes it's quite convincing and the named visual disturbances show up wherever I look. I can summon it: make it more intense if i Will it but the other way around it's not so easy. Grass intensifies it temporarily. If I look at te static on TV (like in Poltergeist) I constantly see threedimensional objects rotating and moving all over the screen, WAY more than I ever saw. I can even think about, say, a spider and within a second I see a spider-pattern forming and moving around. TV static is about random, and all patterns you see inthere are the ones you lay into it. Try it sometime, whilst Tripping or sober... Bitten by the Shroom... Sheesh...
As HPPD goes I've got it quite good: I've read about and corresponded with several people who've got it WAY,WAY worse then I do. For me it's just a little poorer vision & if I look at a "hallucinogenic" surface like my carpet I see all the beautiful stuff that's there when I trip. Am I scared? Nope, it's quite interesting and only a slight hindrance. But what worries me is what the future will bring. You all will probably jump up and scream: DON'T EVER TRIP AGAIN! . Sorry: ain't gonna do that except when the visualstuff proves to be very longlasting or worsens over time. The Shroom has done alot of good for me over the years & I'm not going to just stop because of this. I will take a long break from imbiding to see if it'll blow over and take some to make up my mind about where to go from here. It may be over tomorrow or never go away. Proceeding with the Shroom may or may not make it worse or recur. I'll just take a break and think hard. I don't feel "mauled" or "damaged" or stuff like that and fortunately it's at it's worst just a minor discomfort. . But think about it guys: one shroomtrip about every 2 months. The last years never more than half 1/8 of strong cubies, never anything wrong... And then THIS.
(...) I'm entering my 7th month now, still visuals of varying intensity with moods etc. to fit. Haven't tripped for a long time, it still hasn't diminished. It ain't severe, but 100% real nontheless & every once in a while lines of text start moving too. I feel it's OK, but I sure didn't have this before... (...) Yup, i still have them. Prominently. And no: i'm not counting days but have accepted the new me. So I've got visuals for 2 years straight now? Wow. . All the more it shows that to choose to be a tripper can affect you 24/7 for the rest of your life. . People want k00l drug5 so they take mushrooms, but don't appreciate the fact that it is one of the biggest decisions in your life, even if you just use them as an adjunct to watching Dragonball Z on the TV. . I've been psychedelicised permanently. Permanent mild visuals and increased psychodynamics. I've become a little bit high all the time. . Occasionally I still trip. It worsens nor eases the effects, and I have accepted it as being part of the rest of my life. Permafried... I'm glad its treshold-strength or it would be distracting to say the least. Wiccan_Seeker (update: seven years later, still got HPPD - milder though. It never went away.)
Quote: Well that's the thing, I've always been told psychedelics are physically safe. My mind is solid as a rock when it comes to tripping so I just kept pushing the boundaries, 5g - fine, 10g - fine, 20g - fine, 30g - hospital. . For me, if I didn't get medical attention, I would have died. For a full 48 hours my facials muscles (along with the rest of my body, but you expect that on massive doses) were paralyzed and I needed massive amounts of IV nutrition because not only couldn't I eat, the simple muscles to swallow water were fucked. . Everything returned to normal (bar the OCD), but fuck being 100% paralyzed for over 2 days... wish I was told if you took massive doses your body would get owned. Chubba
Quote: moe.phan said: it got to where i was doing it 3-4-5 times a week. too much to learn anything from.
Wow, averaging 3~5 times a week, I'm not sure I would be able to handle that, that's a bit much in my point of view. I recently took two solid (not *quite* heroic) doses - Dead concert thursday night & Beltane (pagan celebration for beginning of summer) on saturday afternoon - and I feel like I need to slow down. Maybe it's due to my inexperience (dosed 4 times prior to that over a 5-year period) or personal tolerance differences.
I guess if I knew more people that dealt shrooms, I would've dosed more often; it's an odd comforting feeling that I'll never have to worry about running out since I'm growing them myself, but I also need to restrain myself from dosing too often...which could prove difficult since my love of shrooms has grown exponentially since I started growing them.
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“A good groove releases adrenaline in your body. You feel uplifted, you feel centered, you feel calm, you feel powerful. You feel that energy. That's what good drumming is all about.” - Mickey Hart
thats some intense stuff, i haven't tripped in a year and a half now. i stopped because a single high anxiety trip on only 1.7 grams of cubes triggered some possibly latent anxiety afterwards. the anxiety was strong for about 4 months, then it was just as strong but less frequent for several more months. since then its been fading away gradually. i bought some shrooms when i thought i was ready to trip again about 2 weeks ago, but when i was about to eat them i suddenly felt anxiety instead of anticipation and took that as a warning that im not quite ready yet. so i didn't take them even though my friend took his, and im fine with that because even not tripping i was feeling kind of discombobulated the rest of the night. its a strange ambivalence i feel about mushrooms. its such a magical and amazing state of mind that it became a deep part of me and still is a year and a half later.
-------------------- The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
This poll is flawed in that some of the answers to choose from for some of the questions are inherently proposing that psychedelic have had negative effects on me.
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Quote: Wiccan_Seeker said: Definitely, if you get anxiety right before taking it instead of the usual anticipation, its best to wait for another time.
I always get pre trip anxiety but it seems to turn out fine most of the time anyway.
-------------------- I remember when I believed in meaning
Those days aside the hilltop where the sunlight sky and meadows below spoke promises of eternal future
And I remember the day the world turned on me, how frightened I was and the idiotic surprise I was met with
I should've known!
Nope, the introduction to the poll is clear that you can omit certain questions if you cannot agree to any of the options. Like for instance, if one doesnt get a specific effect, there is no point in the follow up question on its severity.
Quote: Wiccan_Seeker said: no, I added salvia in response to your question
As to flashbacks, Salvia to me is of way greater concern that serotonin psychedelics. With my limited salvia experience I had several clearcut Salvia flashbacks - and none on almost 250 trips in 16 years.
I have HPPD from acid, and maybe a few flashbacks spawned by other drugs like hydrocodone and weed.
I haven't taken acid in six years.
I have done Salvia something like a hundred times recently, but I haven't noticed any flashbacks or HPPD related to that.
What have experienced in regards to post-trip Salvaic sensations?
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