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 (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. 
#10309710 - 05/08/09 06:16 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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I too, feel that Intelligent Design is more plausible than evolution on "The Origins of Life", or should at least be considered. It IS a relevant question IMHO.
Enjoy, discuss.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#10309760 - 05/08/09 06:25 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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The mechanism of evolution could have been intelligently designed.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#10309772 - 05/08/09 06:27 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Who says it hasnt been considered?
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: DieCommie]
#10309786 - 05/08/09 06:29 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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The mechanism of evolution could have been intelligently designed.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Who says it hasnt been considered?
It's becoming taboo.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: Bimmin]
#10309966 - 05/08/09 07:02 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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The mechanism of evolution could have been intelligently designed.
This necessarily implies the laws of physics and nature have been designed, which does not invalidate the theory of evolution by natural selection nor does it substantiate any of the current, relevant assaults intelligent designers make on school curriculums.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: DieCommie]
#10310756 - 05/08/09 10:18 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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With savages the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build assylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized society propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, 1871
All that is non-viable in nature invariably perishes. We humans have transgressed the law of natural selection in the last decades. Not only have we supported inferior lifeforms, we have encouraged their propagation. The offspring of these sick people looked like this [image of mentally challenged man], individuals lower than any beasts.
Nazi propaganda film, circa 1943
Not fun either time, this time or at the cinema. At least there I had popcorn and soda pop.
I had forgotten that Dawkins admitted the possibility of Intelligent Design.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10311029 - 05/08/09 11:22 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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You did not just invoke Godwin's law in reference to Charles Darwin?!
A theoretical prediction or ontological description is hardly the same thing as a blanket condoning of eugenics and death camps. 
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: deCypher]
#10311091 - 05/08/09 11:38 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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You did not just invoke Godwin's law in reference to Charles Darwin?!
A theoretical prediction or ontological description is hardly the same thing as a blanket condoning of eugenics and death camps.
No, I quoted two statements from a movie. Ben Stein as well as David Berlinski are Jewish. The two quotes are inextricably linked, as is obvious in their reading.
Godwin's Law states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
That hasn't anything to do with my quoting the movie. The Nazis used natural selection as a reason for exterminating the weak and infirmed.
But we're not supposed to mention that? Why?
Many people that love Chuck don't know anything about his "other" book. Nor are they familiar with the full title of his famous book.
The Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10311110 - 05/08/09 11:43 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: The Nazis used natural selection as a reason for exterminating the weak and infirmed.
Yes, and it was a poor reason. This is irrelevant to whether or not natural selection exists.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: deCypher]
#10311116 - 05/08/09 11:48 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Absolutely irrelevant. But if man is only a beast, it makes perfect sense.
Consider this: if the descent of man is true we are left with only two choices. Out of fairness and equality we should either treat men as beasts or beasts as men.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: deCypher]
#10311134 - 05/08/09 11:56 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well if Darwin was fascist then the theory of evolution must be misguided and false naturally.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10311157 - 05/09/09 12:07 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Consider this: if the descent of man is true we are left with only two choices. Out of fairness and equality we should either treat men as beasts or beasts as men.
We should do neither. Men are evolved beasts; we should be looking to the future and not back to the past.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: deCypher]
#10311189 - 05/09/09 12:25 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Consider this: if the descent of man is true we are left with only two choices. Out of fairness and equality we should either treat men as beasts or beasts as men.
We should do neither. Men are evolved beasts; we should be looking to the future and not back to the past.
I understand the viewpoint. I see it as internally inconsistent.
You're allowed to be an Idealist when you're young. Cynicism comes naturally as you age.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10311197 - 05/09/09 12:27 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
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deCypher said: We should do neither. Men are evolved beasts; we should be looking to the future and not back to the past.
I understand the viewpoint. I see it as internally inconsistent.
Elaborate.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: deCypher]
#10311204 - 05/09/09 12:30 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Not tonight. It is 3:30 in the morning and I'm heading for bed.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: Mufungo]
#10311248 - 05/09/09 12:48 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well if Darwin was fascist then the theory of evolution must be misguided and false naturally.
And because Einstein was not Father-of-the-Year, his theory of General Relativity shall be revoked.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#10311902 - 05/09/09 07:29 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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I just think it's humorous how the most hardcore scientists just can't accept that something can't come from nothing regarding life, and how the odds of life randomly occurring are impossible statistically.
To me that's science. 
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: deCypher]
#10311967 - 05/09/09 07:51 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: Consider this: if the descent of man is true we are left with only two choices. Out of fairness and equality we should either treat men as beasts or beasts as men.
We should do neither. Men are evolved beasts; we should be looking to the future and not back to the past.
All organisms are evolved if the descent of man is true. Being evolved puts man and beast on a level playing field. The future or the past has no bearing in this case.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10312067 - 05/09/09 08:23 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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I never knew, until this film, that 250 proteins IN THE RIGHT ORDER are required for minimum life functions.
To me that SCREAMS ID.
Ben Stein is a smart mafaka too, so for somebody so intelligent and well respected in the science community to question the establishment is a breath of fresh air to me.
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Re: (Movie)Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed - Ben Stein's Documentary. Intelligent Design Is Plausible. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#10312089 - 05/09/09 08:31 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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I always prefer the iconoclasts, probably because I am one.
And yes, you are right, the 250 proteins in order are of such a magnitude, given that neither chance nor natural law could have created the sequence, intelligent design is the best answer we have.
Don't expect to convince a skeptic though. Facts don't matter to them, their mind is made up.
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