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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: cpw1971]
#10262473 - 04/30/09 12:04 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah I think it was four feet. I read that last night. Four feet, I think... That's a LOT to stomach!
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#10263371 - 04/30/09 02:28 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Yellow, well yes new cuzco spines are usually yellow and thick but the same is true with many other Trichocereus species. I have a bridgesii growing nice fat yellow spines right now.
The thing with cuzcos and swollen bases is that after the spines dry out, the spines are characteristically swollen at the very base. You can see this in the first picture of the cuzcoensis. But looking at the peruvian, the dried spines do not exhibit the swollen base.
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cpw1971
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: plainswalker]
#10263605 - 04/30/09 03:12 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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mushroomhunter Yep I believe it was from the same thread I read about the 4 feet. I would just test 10 dry grams though. If no effects then bammmm the Cuzco rumors are true. Plainswalker... yeah Maybe some Bridgesii spines start yellow but I read true active Peruvianus arent supposed to do that. But thats only what I read so I wanna hear from someone who tried said yellow spined Peruvianus or I will try one myself lol.
ok heres how it is.... Peruvianus is said to be active I have tried and verified it myself. It is not supposed to have yellow spines at any stage Cuzcoensis is said to be non active. It is said to have yellow new spines that turn gray with age. I havent tried it but if anyone has post away.
why tout a non active as an active if you dont know for a fact that it is active?? Untill I tried it and verified it myself as active I would call the thing a Cuzco. From what I read there was a lot of vendors selling Cuzcos on Ebay and people were getting pissed because they got ripped off.
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: cpw1971]
#10264071 - 04/30/09 04:31 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Obviously I can't say for sure the cactus you're talking about is active or not active (although looking at it I would bet a paycheck it is active), but I can say for sure it isn't a cuzcoensis. It doesn't fit cuzcoensis's phenotype, not close. The cactus below that one fits the usual example of cuzcoensis.
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: plainswalker]
#10264524 - 04/30/09 05:36 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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@ paradis: see what i mean about nothing being clear!
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: plainswalker]
#10264536 - 04/30/09 05:37 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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yep the one below it does fit the Cuzco bill better. I guess a true Peruvian Torch would have to have the bright glowing tip. It sure is beautifull though. Perhaps mine will do that when it gets big enough??
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#10264938 - 04/30/09 06:30 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
Dr. uarewotueat said:

@ paradis: see what i mean about nothing being clear!
I think its fairly easy to identify characteristics. The last testing on mescaline content is unclear..... no pics or anything of the cacti they used.Plus there is only like two listing found on the whole net about whats in these cacti.
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: preschooler]
#10265008 - 04/30/09 06:38 PM (3 years, 28 days ago) |
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sure, some are reasonably easy to pin down.
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Dr. uarewotueat said: it is all speculation based on opinion man. nothing is at all clear about this genus of plants. there is much variation within members of the same species. and the natural habitat of some of the species from the genus overlap meaning that there are natural hybrids.
add to that the mislabelling that goes on by collectors (what looks like one species to one person may look like a different species to another person) and the sale of hybrid seed that originated within private collections under a single species name and you have loads of confusion.
really it is all guess work on the half M_S_Smith based on what he see's within his own extensive collection of plants. of course he is one of the people we should all be listening to as the debate about classifying these plants continues. that doesn't mean that he knows everything though, and states that himself in alot of his writings on the subject.
personally speaking: i gave up labelling and trying to id my trichs a while back, i'm more than happy to see variation in my own collection.
that said, there are a few that can be easily pinned down to certain clones or species based on the current general consensus.
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Re: On T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, and T. macrogonus [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
#10282244 - 05/04/09 03:55 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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