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 Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131487 - 04/08/09 03:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like your optimism, but I am afraid the coral reefs are still bleaching at an unreversible rate.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#10131505 - 04/08/09 03:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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As much as the argument is always "we're selfish so we destroy the earth"... it's in our best interest to save it too. it's our home 
also... i dunno about you... but i'd rather spend a day in a forest than at walgreens
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: deff]
#10131522 - 04/08/09 03:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meh I'm not optimistic I just trust there have been much bigger disasters in the past and we still have the ecological diversity we have today. Basically, I can't be arsed to go to these save the planet protests with my mates. 
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: deff]
#10131533 - 04/08/09 03:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure, I enjoy hiking, scuba diving, and conoeing as much as the next toker, but I didn't create the system, I am just trying to survive and provide for my family in it.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131558 - 04/08/09 03:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meh I'm not optimistic I just trust there have been much bigger disasters in the past
Yeah the past didn't exactly have billions of humans destroying the environment with a capitalistic "I need to make money, if i alter the sustainability of the environment, i don't care, not my problem."
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#10131560 - 04/08/09 03:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They all get the train down anyway. 
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10131570 - 04/08/09 03:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meh I'm not optimistic I just trust there have been much bigger disasters in the past
Yeah the past didn't exactly have billions of humans destroying the environment with a capitalistic "I need to make money, if i alter the sustainability of the environment, i don't care, not my problem."
It was just as out of control though.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131581 - 04/08/09 03:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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As if protesting would change anything.
Screaming assholes with signs are ignored.
If one really wants the attention of the powers that be, he would write a letter with his name signed to it, so that he might be ridiculed.
Like Ghandi said, "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#10131590 - 04/08/09 03:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Be the change you want to see. 
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131644 - 04/08/09 04:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck it we can't do that much harm on a relative scale, stuff will recover.
Tell that to the guy who had a nuke go off in his back yard. We can do enormous harm in any scale.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131647 - 04/08/09 04:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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My state's representatives from all counties, senators from all counties, and Congressmen know me by name, unless they delete all their emails. 
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Saidin]
#10131680 - 04/08/09 04:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck it we can't do that much harm on a relative scale, stuff will recover.
Tell that to the guy who had a nuke go off in his back yard. We can do enormous harm in any scale.
Relatively it doesn't take that much time to recover. Doesn't make that much difference. Everyone thinks something to do with them carries importance. Another planet? Another time? Who cares?
What do you think will bring relief from global pollution first, change in opinion or technological advancement? I opt for the latter.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131753 - 04/08/09 04:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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when it causes suffering, it becomes important (imo)
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131774 - 04/08/09 04:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meh I'm not optimistic I just trust there have been much bigger disasters in the past
Yeah the past didn't exactly have billions of humans destroying the environment with a capitalistic "I need to make money, if i alter the sustainability of the environment, i don't care, not my problem."
It was just as out of control though.
Ummmmm no. No it wasn't. Sorry but alligators were not burning fossil fuels and increasing CO2 in the atmosphere. That is 100% anthropogenically caused. Humming birds weren't filling the ground with millions of tons of consumer trash (land fills)
I can't believe you can sit there and say there is no difference, that humans haven't exacerbated the destruction of the environment.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: deff]
#10131782 - 04/08/09 04:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm all for pumping money into technological advancement but suddenly turning off transport systems would probably cause more harm than good IMO. Too little too late, too heavily reliant.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131797 - 04/08/09 04:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, we've grown to a huge population based off this interconnected specializing. The first thing to go though should be excessive material desires, which would take a substantial load off.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#10131802 - 04/08/09 04:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meh I'm not optimistic I just trust there have been much bigger disasters in the past
Yeah the past didn't exactly have billions of humans destroying the environment with a capitalistic "I need to make money, if i alter the sustainability of the environment, i don't care, not my problem."
It was just as out of control though.
Ummmmm no. No it wasn't. Sorry but alligators were not burning fossil fuels and increasing CO2 in the atmosphere. That is 100% anthropogenically caused. Humming birds weren't filling the ground with millions of tons of consumer trash (land fills)
I can't believe you can sit there and say there is no difference, that humans haven't exacerbated the destruction of the environment.
Never said that. I always found attempting to change others to be a lost cause and therefore focus on self change.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: deff]
#10131822 - 04/08/09 04:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, we've grown to a huge population based off this interconnected specializing. The first thing to go though should be excessive material desires, which would take a substantial load off.
Awww...but keeping up with the Jones' is so fulfilling!
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: deff]
#10131836 - 04/08/09 04:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, we've grown to a huge population based off this interconnected specializing. The first thing to go though should be excessive material desires, which would take a substantial load off.
Agreed but as far as I can see a change like this is too far down the road to be viable at the moment. I also think the human race may be in the need of a good dose of global suffering anyway, it has the potential to speed up our cultural evolution in a big way.
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Re: I believe we are nothing more than animals and not special. [Re: Grapefruit]
#10131916 - 04/08/09 04:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually that's exactly what you said.
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Grapefruit said:
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Yeah the past didn't exactly have billions of humans destroying the environment with a capitalistic "I need to make money, if i alter the sustainability of the environment, i don't care, not my problem."
It was just as out of control though.
Ummmmm no. No it wasn't. Sorry but alligators were not burning fossil fuels and increasing CO2 in the atmosphere. That is 100% anthropogenically caused. Humming birds weren't filling the ground with millions of tons of consumer trash (land fills)
I can't believe you can sit there and say there is no difference, that humans haven't exacerbated the destruction of the environment.
Never said that. I always found attempting to change others to be a lost cause and therefore focus on self change.
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