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OfflineThe Witmer
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Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN
    #10083576 - 03/31/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 9 hours ago)

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone had any experience smoking Amanita Muscaria resin?

I'm NOT talking about the mushroom, the dried mushroom, the caps, stems, skin, or any of the dried products of the mushrooms, I'm asking if anyone has had experience smoking an extract of the mushrooms, and ask if you could post it here so I can get a general consensus on the effects before I try it

Also, I'm wondering about dosages for it- smoking half a gram, a gram, or whatever- so if you include your experience, please give approximate dosage information

Thanks


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: The Witmer]
    #10085253 - 04/01/09 03:52 AM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

No dosage info from me , you better make a tea.
I used to smoke amanita caps some understand effects some others not.
Amanita is a shamanic tool not a hippy drug

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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: albien5]
    #10085286 - 04/01/09 04:13 AM (15 years, 1 hour ago)

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albien5 said:
Amanita is a shamanic tool not a hippy drug




I fail to see the difference.


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10085579 - 04/01/09 06:39 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

smoked Amanita's apparently produce a shorter lasting, less intense and slightly more visual experience, with visuals somewhat unique to other psychedelics. correct me if I'm wrong, but i think its not unlike smoking Yopo seeds?


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Lucas89]
    #10085593 - 04/01/09 06:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Lucas: Why would smoking Yopo seeds produce effects similar to smoked Amanita? Muscimol and ibotenic acid do not seem very similar to DMT...


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10085605 - 04/01/09 06:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ive seen this stuff for sale and wondered if I should give it a try. Im guessing very few people have actual experience with it. Please start out with a small dose and work your way up, then let me know what works for you.

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albien5 said:
Amanita is a shamanic tool not a hippy drug




I fail to see the difference.



Ill second that

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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Culpepers]
    #10085636 - 04/01/09 07:05 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Culpepers said:
Lucas: Why would smoking Yopo seeds produce effects similar to smoked Amanita? Muscimol and ibotenic acid do not seem very similar to DMT...




Amanita Muscaria contain bufotenin in small amounts dont they?


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Lucas89]
    #10085644 - 04/01/09 07:08 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No, I dont believe they do. They contain ibotemic acid, muscimol and muscarine

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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #10085651 - 04/01/09 07:11 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

mm OK, i suppose ill take your word for it then. thanks for clarifying.


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Lucas89]
    #10085659 - 04/01/09 07:13 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hm, good question, actually. I've always thought that muscimol and ibotenic acid were the only psychoactive compounds present in effective amounts in A. Muscaria, but the claim that bufotenine is present seems to be scattered across the web as well :smile: . You might be right, and you definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt - especially seeing that I haven't smoked Yopo, and can't vouch for any similarities (or lack thereof) between the two... :smile:

The Erowid "Chemistry" section of the Amanita vault doesn't mention bufotenine, though.

MisterMuscaria: AFAIK muscarine does not cross the blood/brain barrier, and is only present in small (trace) amounts in A. Muscaria. I'm not saying that your wrong, just thought I'd clarify a bit :smile:


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Culpepers]
    #10085672 - 04/01/09 07:20 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

mm yeah cool. I too have seen some reports stating that they do indeed contain Bufotenin. But, most probably not in amounts strong enough to really overpower the effects of Ibotenic acid or Muscimol. But, anythings possible... who really knows for sure?:shrug:

but there's only one way to find out... smoke some up!:mushroom2:


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Culpepers]
    #10085679 - 04/01/09 07:22 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Most of the muscarine goes away during the drying process. This is why eating fresh amanitas is not the best idea.

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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Lucas89]
    #10087159 - 04/01/09 01:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Copied from an old post:

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Minor amounts of tropane alkaloids, atropine, hyoscyamine, scopolamine, and bufotenine have also been reported (Manikowski & Niezgodski 1962, Depovere & Moens 1984), although their occurrence is rejected by others (Brady & Tyler 1959, Subbaratnam & Cook 1963, Tyler & Groger 1964, Eugster 1969).

Another possibly active compound, bufotenine (5-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine), has been proposed (Waser 1967)

And apparently this paper found bufotenine in Amanita Muscaria, so it would probably state how much, but I can't find the full text online:

Waser FG (1979). The pharmacology of Amanita muscaria.  In: Efron, DH Holmstedt, B & Kline NS eds.  Ethnopharmacoplogical search for psychoactive drugs. U.S. Public Health Service Publication, No. l645: 419-439.




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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: deCypher]
    #10087171 - 04/01/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks deCypher :smile: Interesting, but far from conclusive.


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: Culpepers]
    #10087887 - 04/01/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So there really is no conclusive evidence as to whether or not the extract works for smoking?

and I've heard heat destroys ibotenic acid and muscimol, when the heat is high- but from other sources I heard it's like THC- it requires a certain temperature to "activate" the chemicals

but it's all hearsay, there really isn't anything conclusive about it

@albien5- making a tea is somewhat problematic for me- I live with my parents and I don't much think they'd appreciate me using their cookware to reach new heights- and smoking is so much easier

Does anyone know what it would be like to solar hit some of it? Or am I the only one who's even really proposed or suggested it?


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: The Witmer]
    #10088229 - 04/01/09 04:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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and I've heard heat destroys ibotenic acid and muscimol, when the heat is high- but from other sources I heard it's like THC- it requires a certain temperature to "activate" the chemicals




Drying and/or heating the fungii for at least thirty minutes in 170-200 degrees Fahrenheit converts ibotenic acid into muscimol.


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: deCypher]
    #10088771 - 04/01/09 05:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

and is that desirable?


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: The Witmer]
    #10088778 - 04/01/09 05:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It's considered customary.  Ibotenic acid creates lesions when injected into neural tissue and so probably oral ingestion of it is not desirable; there are a few members on here who swear by eating fresh Amanitas though.


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Re: Smoked Amanita Muscaria RESIN [Re: deCypher]
    #10089332 - 04/01/09 06:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)


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