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 Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: MacGuyver]
#10116547 - 04/06/09 11:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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no definitive answer because theres so many variables to consider. alkaloid content of the plant is the biggest one imo.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: MacGuyver]
#10116620 - 04/06/09 11:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
MacGuyver said:
What is Nomans / Normans tek? Is it the same as STB tek?
What about the link I provided?
What is the highest yielding of all the teks? Is there a definitive answer?
From what I read here on the shroomery the QT tek (the link you provided) was a bit humm, let's say not good for ware.. Stick to the methods in this tek for your freeze precipitation, read this one also [thoroughly] as many knowledgeable folk have contributed to it and each time I've tried, I've woken up to a great morning present:)
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: MacGuyver]
#10117777 - 04/06/09 03:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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MacGuyver said:
These easy, quick teks look great. Is the yeild as large as could be expected from the longer teks that use an acid, for example this one:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/extraction_guide1/dmt_extraction_guide1.shtml
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That tek is terrible. There are several blatant mistakes in it. Don't ask me about it, as I have no interest in trying to straighten it out for you. There are those who have been trying (apparently without success) to get it either removed from Erowid or corrected.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Nature Boy]
#10117916 - 04/06/09 03:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Caustic water can put cracks in glass and shatter it. I don't know if a mason jar is the best thing to use, other than that its all gravy. =)
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Ombient]
#10117966 - 04/06/09 03:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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That tek is terrible. There are several blatant mistakes in it. Don't ask me about it, as I have no interest in trying to straighten it out for you. There are those who have been trying (apparently without success) to get it either removed from Erowid or corrected.
Cheers, that's all I needed to know
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: MacGuyver]
#10120343 - 04/06/09 09:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quite frankly I was amazed at how easy STB was when I finally got around to trying it. It seems like, because there's so many variables, there's a lot of people asking all different kinds of questions constantly and this tends to overwhelm some.
But it's probably for the best in the same way that the needle stigma is kind of a good thing. We don't exactly want everybody and their mother smoking this stuff. Or do we? I'm not even sure anymore.
Anyway, I gotta commend nature boy again for the simple & well illustrated tek. You're definitely right about how much better it is to only siphon off the top half of the naphtha.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Ombient]
#10121360 - 04/07/09 03:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ombient said:
Caustic water can put cracks in glass and shatter it. I don't know if a mason jar is the best thing to use, other than that its all gravy. =)
That's why I use them twice (only) and then throw them out. Cost about $1.00 apiece.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Nature Boy]
#10125850 - 04/07/09 06:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are the 24 hour waiting periods necessary? I'd imagine the time this procedure takes could be cut down significantly. 
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Zippy]
#10126346 - 04/07/09 07:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The instructions as provided work, and work well. The reason it works well is, in part, because it takes time to break down the bark to release the spice, and it takes time for the naptha to accumulate spice to equilibrium.
I suppose you could try shortening up the recommended 24 hours, but I'm willing to bet you would just end up doing extra pulls to get the same yield, so you're right back where you started time-wise, just with more effort.
And that seems like a complete waste of energy to me.
OTOH, feel free to do whatever you want...experimenting is GOOD! If you hit on a meaningful improvement to some aspect, please be sure to report back so others can attempt to duplicate your results.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Nature Boy]
#10140643 - 04/10/09 01:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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SWIM has the mimosa bark sinking in the base overnight right now. SWIM wonders how hot it really needs to be once the naptha is added tomorrow morning. He is thinking of just putting the jar next to a space heater, would that work?
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Zippy]
#10140653 - 04/10/09 02:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Zippy said:
Are the 24 hour waiting periods necessary? I'd imagine the time this procedure takes could be cut down significantly.
I allow 3 hours max for the mhrb in the basified water, it's powdered quite fine.. pulls are respectable, i.e. 50g rb gives me ~ 1g and for the heat, I just warm up the naptha in a bath of water for 15 mins before I add it to the water mix.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: hoodbran]
#10140659 - 04/10/09 02:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok sweet.
I'm concerned my freezer isn't cold enough... should I let the naptha evaporate a little bit before I recrystalize it?
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Zippy]
#10140741 - 04/10/09 02:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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it wouldn't do any harm as long as it's just a little.. just whack up the freezer to it's coldest setting, does it freeze ice cream solid? - that's the cold you're aiming for:)
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: hoodbran]
#10140753 - 04/10/09 03:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do not use normal lighter fluid unless you want to take the chance that it contains other chemicals which it most often does. Try your local hardware or auto store for a pure naphtha product, I believe Coleman's fuel is suitable.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: hoodbran]
#10140756 - 04/10/09 03:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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right!
normal lighter fluid has other substances in, however some of us aren't in a place where naptha is clearly available as in say, the US.
I have always pulled pure spice with Zippo because Zippo is 100% naptha, it's costly but worth it.. the point of the STB tek is to save and reuse the naptha and not evaporate it as evapping will leave behind all sorts of crap. Impurities stay in solution.
I tried swan fluid and that was just shit. Experimenting is the name of the game mayne.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Viciousend]
#10140817 - 04/10/09 04:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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DO NOT use Coleman, it is loaded with additives! WHATEVER you use, take about 10cc's straight out of the can and do a test evaporation first. Got residue???? Then don't use it!!!
If you use anything other than VM & P I would strongly recommend an evaporation test.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: Nature Boy]
#10141532 - 04/10/09 09:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you HAVE to use distilled water?
I can't find it anywhere (live in UK), tried Sainsburies, Boots, B&Q, Halfords..
Best I've managed is de-ionised water from Halfords...
Will this do? Can tap water be used as a last resort?
I know I can distill water at home, but it's a bit laborious.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: MacGuyver]
#10141557 - 04/10/09 09:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, not a must. Just use what you have easy access to.
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: hoodbran]
#10141572 - 04/10/09 09:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey question for anyone who could answer, cant you do your first pull off this after letting it sit for just an hour or two? you dont really need to wait so long do you?
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Re: STB tek and pictorial [Re: LedHead]
#10141595 - 04/10/09 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just curious, but what effect does heat have on the chemicals once the naptha is added? (can you have too much heat? too little? what does heating it accomplish chemically speaking?)
I'm using VM&P naptha btw 
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