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shroomzey
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Mental Health: It's Life, Not Depression
#9965308 - 03/13/09 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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My life's experience with anti-depression meds has been nothing more than horrible. I've been on basically any and all of the various classified depression meds, without a positive response to any of them. I've even had extreme side effects which landed me in the hospital and led to me being sent to a high-rish psychiatric hospital and was held there against my will and medicated against my will to simply comply with "treatment" so I could be released. When the entire incident was due to the meds to begin with.
And it was not until my personal discovery of the therapeutic value that psychedelics have had in my life, that I've been able to get past this "depression".
I've also had a good deal of exposure to the entire health care system, as it was part of my career at one time. And have discovered the sad realism that it is not there to do what the general public thinks it is there to do.
Check this article out.. a good read.
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(NaturalNews) November 2008 - Dr. Julian Whitaker's Health & Healing, Vol. 18, No. 11
Sharon's husband was diagnosed with cancer, and they were looking at months of chemo and radiation. She was worried, had trouble sleeping, and found it hard to stay positive and upbeat for her husband. When she mentioned this to her doctor, he prescribed an antidepressant.
Laura was exhausted after the birth of her second child. Unlike her first baby, this one was fussy and rarely slept more than two hours at a stretch. On bad days, Laura questioned her ability to cope. She talked her symptoms over with her doctor and was prescribed an antidepressant.
Elizabeth, a bright and outgoing college student, would often wake up during the night worrying about one thing or another. One night, she awoke in a full-blown panic attack, her heart pounding so hard that she was sure she was going to die. She visited the campus infirmary the next day and was given a prescription for an antidepressant.
Thirteen-year-old Matt had just changed schools and was having a hard time adjusting to his new surroundings. His parents took him to see a psychiatrist, who-you guessed it-gave him an antidepressant.
Without question, Sharon, Laura, Elizabeth, and Matt were going through some tough times. But we all go through rough patches-it's part of being human. So how in the world did we arrive at such a place where normal emotions and reactions to life's events warrant treatment with drugs?
Let Them Eat Prozac
According to David Healy, MD, professor at Wales' Cardiff University, we can blame it on the drug companies. Dr. Healy is a conventional psychiatrist, but his well-documented and vocal criticisms about the safety and overuse of Prozac and other selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressants set him apart from his colleagues.
In his book Let Them Eat Prozac: The Unhealthy Relationship Between the Pharmaceutical Industry and Depression, Dr. Healy describes Prozac as a drug in search of a disease. It was the first SSRI to hit the market back in 1988, and, thanks to aggressive marketing, sales of antidepressants quadrupled in just two years. As Prozac's popularity soared, it was joined by Paxil, Zoloft, Luvox, and others like them.
Then Pandora's Box of direct-to-consumer advertising opened. Before long, drug company propaganda had people believing that unhappiness, anxiety, shyness, stress, obsessive thoughts, PMS, "baby blues," and other normal emotional reactions are diseases that can-and should-be treated with a pill. Patients started asking their doctors for prescriptions, and sales went through the roof.
Depression took on a whole new meaning. No longer was it limited to major depression, a clinical diagnosis marked by extreme emotional pain and inability to function. Mild-to-moderate depression has become a catchall diagnosis that will be slapped on one in four Americans at some point in their lives.
Inventing Illness, Selling Drugs
Today, 4 percent of men and 10 percent of women in this country are taking antidepressants. The bulk of the prescriptions for these meds are written by primary care physicians, not psychiatrists, and most of these "depressed" patients receive no other treatment or follow-up. In fact, the drugs seem to be handed out indiscriminately. The Centers for Disease Control reported that, after nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), antidepressants are the most frequently prescribed of all classes of drugs!
Dr. Healy describes this mess as "wholesale creation of depression on so extraordinary and unwarranted a scale as to raise grave questions about whether pharmaceutical and other health care companies are more wedded to making profits from health than contributing to it."
If this sounds familiar, it's because you've heard me harping on this concept of "inventing illness" for over 20 years. Most of the ballyhoo about high cholesterol, ADHD, fibromyalgia, gastroesophageal reflux disease, and even high blood sugar and blood pressure is fueled by market-driven campaigns designed to do one thing: sell more drugs.
But the antidepressant story may be the worst of them all. As I will show you, these drugs do not work, they have the potential of inflicting tremendous harm-and, worst of all, the drug companies have known this for decades.
Antidepressants Don't Work...
Earlier this year, researchers evaluated published and unpublished pre-approval clinical trials that compared SSRI drugs with placebos. They combined the results in a meta-analysis and came up with some disturbing findings. SSRI antidepressants work no better than placebo, and their benefits do not meet the criteria for clinical significance.
For patients with moderate depression, SSRIs were a complete bust. The differences in improvement between people with severe depression taking a drug and those on placebo were virtually nonexistent. The sole group in which the drugs outperformed the placebo consisted of the most severely depressed patients, but the researchers concluded that this small difference was probably due to "decreased responsiveness to placebo... rather than to increased responsiveness to medication." (The placebo response in these studies was very high. An average of 80 percent of study participants felt better taking sugar pills.)
...And They Kill People
In addition to being ineffective, SSRIs are dangerous. They cause sexual dysfunction, weight gain, emotional apathy, headaches, insomnia, and gastrointestinal (GI) upset, and they have been linked with GI and uterine bleeding. But their most alarming side effect is an increased risk of suicide, hostility, akathisia (extreme agitation), and violent behavior.
Thousands of suicides, senseless murders, and other random acts of violence have been committed by people who were taking SSRIs. Michael McDermott went to work with an AK-47-type rifle, a shotgun, and a semiautomatic pistol, and killed seven of his coworkers. Kip Kinkel murdered his parents then went to school where he killed two and wounded 22 of his fellow students. Kristine Cushing used a .38-caliber pistol to shoot and kill her two young daughters while they slept; she then shot and wounded herself. Seung-Hui Cho went on a murderous rampage that resulted in 33 deaths and dozens of injuries.
At greatest risk are our children. The instigators of virtually all of the tragic school murder/suicides in recent years were taking an antidepressant or other psychotropic drugs. The same goes for more personal family tragedies, such as uncharacteristic suicides, self-harm, and violent behaviors that rip families apart.
Last year, I met Mathy Downing, the mother of Candace Downing, a beautiful, exuberant 12-year-old honor student who had been put on Zoloft for "generalized anxiety disorder." A few months later, Mathy found her daughter dead, hanging above her bed. Just an hour before, she'd been watching Animal Planet on TV with her father.
Authorities in Great Britain have openly opposed the use of antidepressants in young people. The FDA, on the other hand, has decided only to require a black box warning label stating that these drugs increase risk of suicidal behavior in children, adolescents, and young adults. Sales have fallen off a little but remain strong. This is yet another example of the failure of the FDA, blinded by their incestuous relationship with the pharmaceutical industry, to protect the public.
"Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics"
You're probably wondering how in the world such awful drugs generate $16.9 billion annually in global sales. I'll tell you. It's because the companies that push these pills have made a concerted and successful effort to deceive physicians and patients.
A 2008 study, published in The New England Journal of Medicine, examined the results of 74 drug company-sponsored clinical trials on antidepressants. It turns out that of the 38 studies with positive outcomes, 37 were published. However, 33 of the 36 studies with negative outcomes were either not published or they were reported in a way that "conveyed a positive outcome."
The drug companies also knew about the deadly side effects of SSRIs. Internal Eli Lilly documents, which date back to 1988 and were part of a product liability suit filed against the company in 1994, show that the company was aware Prozac conferred a 12-fold greater risk of suicide attempts than other antidepressants. The document also stated that the drug was associated with hostile behavior and that it more than doubled the risk of psychotic depression. What did they do with this knowledge? Nothing.
In an editorial in the September 3, 2008, issue of JAMA, Marcia Angell, MD, had this to say about pharmaceutical company-sponsored research: "Physicians can no longer rely on the medical literature for valid and reliable information. This is the conclusion I reluctantly reached toward the end of my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, and it has been reinforced in subsequent years. Clinicians just do not know anymore how safe and effective prescription drugs really are, but these products are probably nowhere near as good as the published literature indicates."
Life Isn't Always Easy
Folks, drugs aren't the answer. Most of the people treated with antidepressants are simply dealing with emotional upheavals in their lives, such as divorces, layoffs, and other losses. It's normal to be "sad and gloomy; dejected; downcast" (the definition of depressed) every once in a while. But it isn't clinical depression (defined as "so severe as to be considered abnormal, either because of no obvious environmental causes, or because the reaction to unfortunate life circumstances is more intense or prolonged than would generally be expected").
Life isn't always pretty. Puberty is tough. Our hearts get broken. Marriage isn't all smooth sailing. Divorce happens. Teenagers drive you crazy. Work isn't necessarily fun. Financial difficulties crop up. People get sick. Loved ones die. But the reality is, we have to use whatever tools we have to pull ourselves together and work through it.
Faith, religion, meditation, friends, family, and counseling can help you weather grief, worry, change, and other aspects of the human condition. Regular exercise is an excellent mood lifter, and a diet containing minimal amounts of starches and sugar prevents drops in blood sugar levels that can affect mood. Correcting hormone imbalances, particularly those involving thyroid, adrenal, and sex hormones, also makes a big difference.
So does a good nutritional supplement program. Omega-3 fatty acid deficiencies are associated with depression, so take six to eight fish oil capsules daily. SAMe (200-400 mg) and St. John's wort (900 mg) are proven mood enhancers, and vitamin B12 (1,000 mcg), magnesium (500-1,000 mg), and zinc (30-50 mg) are also helpful. All of these supplements should be taken daily in divided doses.
Postscript
I want to close with an update on the people I told you about in the opening of this story.
Sharon, who started taking Luvox after her husband got sick, is still taking it nine years later. The drug doesn't make her feel all that great, and she's gained weight and has zero libido-common side effects of these drugs. But like so many others, she's afraid she'll feel worse if she stops taking it.
Laura, the young mother with the fussy baby, decided not to fill her prescription. Within a few weeks, the baby started sleeping six hours a night, and she was able to get more rest. Today, she feels great.
Elizabeth stayed on Paxil for five years-a time of her life she describes as going through "like a zombie." After learning about the downside of antidepressants, she started taking multivitamins, fish oil, and other supplements while slowly weaning herself off the drug. She's recently married and couldn't be happier.
And 13-year-old Matt? He hanged himself in his closet one week after starting Paxil.
References *Angell, M. Industry-sponsored clinical research: a broken system. JAMA. 2008 Sept 3; 300:1069-1071. *Barber, C. The medicated Americans: antidepressant prescriptions on the rise. Scientific American Mind. 2008 Feb 27. *Healy, D. Let Them Eat Prozac. The Unhealthy Relationship Between the Pharmaceutical Industry and Depression. New York, NY: New York University Press; 2004. *Kirsch I, et al. Initial severity and antidepressant benefits: a meta-analysis of data submitted to the Food and Drug Administration. PLoS Medicine 2008 Feb;5(2):e45. *Turner EH, et al. Selective publication of antidepressant trials and its influence on apparent efficacy. N Engl J Med. 2008 Jan 17;358(3):252-260
Reprinted from Dr. Julian Whitaker's Health & Healing with permission from Healthy Directions, LLC. For information on subscribing to this newsletter, visit www.drwhitaker.com or call (800) 539-8219.
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Re: Mental Health: It's Life, Not Depression [Re: shroomzey]
#9965476 - 03/13/09 02:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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depression is certainly something to be faced not to be covered up with drugs, i find depression is a gateway to being free of depression but only if you find out why you are really depressed, drugs remove the why & try to remove the depression!? it simply can't work, for any problem you have to get to the root otherwise it just grows back stronger
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Re: Mental Health: It's Life, Not Depression [Re: shroomzey]
#9965807 - 03/13/09 03:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's Life, Not Depression
Good goin. The battle to live and thrive within a dysfunctional world goes on.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Mental Health: It's Life, Not Depression [Re: shroomzey]
#9967041 - 03/13/09 08:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most of the people I know on antidepressants get them from their general physician and get no psychological support. They just get refilled every month and go on with their lives. That's all well and good, I suppose, but it doesn't fix anything and just gets you dependent on a substance for your happiness.
I talk to my friends about it. They say they are depressed because they don't feel normal without their medication. If I ask what are they doing to fix their situation and they give me the chemical imbalance, can't help it etc.
This is all anecdotal, of course. I'm sure it's not isolated.
I went through a very rough patch a few years ago. I got up for work and spent the rest of the time in bed. Even getting up to eat was an ordeal and I only did so when I decided starving was too much trouble. My depression was entirely based on what was going on in my life, and I got through it. I know my sadness was extremely cathartic. It was not pleasant to live through, but I'm sure I'm a better person for it. At least, I don't see how being on an SSRI would have helped me any. I learned to cope with what life gives me and very valuable lessons about the way the world works.
Granted, I have a biased view. I was prescribed mirtazapine as a 6th grader because I was 'depressed.' In reality, I was having trouble getting along with the kids at my new school, having only moved their 2 years prior. I was always very shy and had difficulty making friends, there was no need to put me on any drugs. Needless to say, they didn't help me a bit and the mental side-effects were not worth it. I began to 'know' that my peers knew what I was thinking, which led me to be more afraid of them in the first place. Among numerous other very weird ideas that I didn't realize were strange until years later looking back.
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Re: Mental Health: It's Life, Not Depression [Re: Icelander]
#9969731 - 03/14/09 10:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, its life itself that is in pain. And like all creature we can feel it, but instead of humans addressing this issue. We would rather blind our selfs with drugs and medication.But as we do this the problem only gets worse,therefore more and more people are blinded. until the emptyness we feel cannot be fixed. I once wrote a poem about my skin in middle school, I have severe cronic exzema. the assighnment was to write any poem. They told me and my mother that I should be put on depression medication to "fix" this problem. my mother had me leave and wait in the car, and she ripped them a new hole. we can only thrive on what were taught and what we learn. but if what is being teached is false and missleading, then we realy learn nothing but to be blind..
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Re: Mental Health: It's Life, Not Depression [Re: shroomzey]
#9971612 - 03/14/09 03:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I fucking hate when I talk to people and they say 'its a chemical imbalance in the brain that causes depression etc.' Mostly adults, and they're so sure about it there's no way of getting your point across. And then they rip on you for taking drugs recreationally. Taking drugs to deal with day to day life is far worse than taking drugs purely for the enjoyment of taking drugs and having a good time.
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