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3) Nowhere in the Bible does it state God created everything directly. In the opening passages of Genesis it states God created light. Notice that darkness was already present. Similarly, as darkness is the absence of light, disease and death are the absence of health and life. Pure logic. God created the possibility of everything by creating what He actually created. That isn't the same thing as creating everything.
I haven't read the entire Bible yet, but isn't there a passage that says that God created Satan?
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 Re: God is and God is good [Re: Icelander]
#9846999 - 02/22/09 08:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't want to talk about this subject, is that not clear.
 That's hysterical.
Lol, sounds like something George Bush would have said.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Jufin]
#9847117 - 02/22/09 08:51 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
3) Nowhere in the Bible does it state God created everything directly. In the opening passages of Genesis it states God created light. Notice that darkness was already present. Similarly, as darkness is the absence of light, disease and death are the absence of health and life. Pure logic. God created the possibility of everything by creating what He actually created. That isn't the same thing as creating everything.
I haven't read the entire Bible yet, but isn't there a passage that says that God created Satan?
Satan (as it goes) was an angel who turned on god, angels were supposed to have been made by god. this would mean that god made this angel, knowing that he would turn on him, since god knows everything. this is not logical to me
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: kennedy]
#9847132 - 02/22/09 08:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ha, I don't think I've ever seen the words 'logical' and 'bible' in the same paragraph before.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: kennedy]
#9847146 - 02/22/09 08:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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kennedy said:
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Poid said:
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Mr. Mushrooms said:
3) Nowhere in the Bible does it state God created everything directly. In the opening passages of Genesis it states God created light. Notice that darkness was already present. Similarly, as darkness is the absence of light, disease and death are the absence of health and life. Pure logic. God created the possibility of everything by creating what He actually created. That isn't the same thing as creating everything.
I haven't read the entire Bible yet, but isn't there a passage that says that God created Satan?
Satan (as it goes) was an angel who turned on god, angels were supposed to have been made by god. this would mean that god made this angel, knowing that he would turn on him, since god knows everything. this is not logical to me
So God did create Satan? I was right! 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Poid]
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well, I don't know. my whole point was that a lot of the stories in the bible are paradoxical. But according to the Bible you are right, I guess.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: kennedy]
#9847220 - 02/22/09 09:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you taken the time to actually read the Holy Bible?
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Poid]
#9847263 - 02/22/09 09:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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not too much of it, for that reason.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Poid]
#9847335 - 02/22/09 09:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you taken the time to actually read the Holy Bible?
I've read the Jefferson Bible. 
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Silversoul]
#9847352 - 02/22/09 09:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no good. There is no evil.
To create the dichotomy is to have already lost the battle.
Nonsense. This dichotomy is the very foundation of a functioning society.
Every experience I have ever had in my life that has been negative is a result of some restriction created by society, or a residual effect thereof.
Every effect that has been positive has been against the rules, the law, or in effect totally wrong by "society's" standards.
Society is dysfunctional, and it contributes to the creation of dysfunctional people...they share a common thread, so both agree the other is normal, when in fact both are severely limited, and seek only to pat each other on the back for a job well done.
I understand how it all happened though. Like every great machine that redirects power and integrity, society started with fear. Fear of the unknown, of death, of hunger...probably the most basic fears first. Later, though, these fears would become less prevalent, hunger would, for the majority, be no issue.
New fears would emerge...fear of personal safety. Fear of being different. Fear of not being as good as everyone else. Fear of affection.
Fear, fear, fear. Ask yourself why a rule, or social order exists, and it will always go back to some fear. That fear will roll back always to fear of the unknown.
Its all a projection of the one thing that we fear most as living beings, our own unavoidable destruction.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Rahz]
#9847392 - 02/22/09 09:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you taken the time to actually read the Holy Bible?
I've read the Jefferson Bible.
Really? Was it interesting?
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not too much of it, for that reason.
You're really in no place to judge it if you haven't read it with an unbiased approach. 
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: justamonkey]
#9847406 - 02/22/09 09:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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justamonkey said:
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Silversoul said:
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deCypher said:
There is no good. There is no evil.
To create the dichotomy is to have already lost the battle.
Nonsense. This dichotomy is the very foundation of a functioning society.
Every experience I have ever had in my life that has been negative is a result of some restriction created by society, or a residual effect thereof.
Every effect that has been positive has been against the rules, the law, or in effect totally wrong by "society's" standards.
Society is dysfunctional, and it contributes to the creation of dysfunctional people...they share a common thread, so both agree the other is normal, when in fact both are severely limited, and seek only to pat each other on the back for a job well done.
I understand how it all happened though. Like every great machine that redirects power and integrity, society started with fear. Fear of the unknown, of death, of hunger...probably the most basic fears first. Later, though, these fears would become less prevalent, hunger would, for the majority, be no issue.
New fears would emerge...fear of personal safety. Fear of being different. Fear of not being as good as everyone else. Fear of affection.
Fear, fear, fear. Ask yourself why a rule, or social order exists, and it will always go back to some fear. That fear will roll back always to fear of the unknown.
Its all a projection of the one thing that we fear most as living beings, our own unavoidable destruction.
Well said. 
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Poid]
#9847454 - 02/22/09 09:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Rahz said:
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Poid said:
Have you taken the time to actually read the Holy Bible?
I've read the Jefferson Bible.
Really? Was it interesting?
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kennedy said:
not too much of it, for that reason.
You're really in no place to judge it if you haven't read it with an unbiased approach.
I have not read it in it's entirety but I have read enough to have my opinions. I am not trying to shut you down, I was just saying.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: kennedy]
#9847532 - 02/22/09 09:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't think you were trying to shut me down; I'm not part of any religion, I just think that one who hasn't read a certain book with an unbiased approach is in no position to judge it.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Poid]
#9847623 - 02/22/09 10:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really? Was it interesting?
It's more of a Gospel than a Bible, but that's what they call it. It's a "Gospel Mix" by Thomas J. that removes references to "crazy" stuff like supernatural occurrences and miracles.
Here's how it ends:
63: There laid they Jesus,
64: And rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Rahz]
#9847669 - 02/22/09 10:11 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a pretty shitty ending... 
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Poid]
#9847711 - 02/22/09 10:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Poid said:
I didn't think you were trying to shut me down; I'm not part of any religion, I just think that one who hasn't read a certain book with an unbiased approach is in no position to judge it.
Ok, but I don't feel that I have to finish it for my observations to be valid, though it would help my credibility. as a kid I heard most of the stories, I am generally familiar with it.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: kennedy]
#9847738 - 02/22/09 10:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suppose so, but what you hear is very different then what you read; you shouldn't base your beliefs on rumors.
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Poid]
#9848125 - 02/22/09 11:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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.....alright, I've also read quite a bit about christianity as a whole but nevermind. this is going nowhere
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Kukaracha
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Re: God is and God is good [Re: Icelander]
#9848271 - 02/23/09 12:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gayze.
Why even discuss belief.
It's... silly?
Or at least, pointless.
Edited by Kukaracha (02/23/09 12:45 AM)
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