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 Are there hidden languages? 
#9842827 - 02/22/09 06:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are there languages that exist that can communicate things about the universe that most people can't even imagine and are things that can't be communicated by the english language?
If people access there higher self does that person access a new language that they automatically know intuitively?
Or maybe the english language can be corrupted so that it can communicate any concept in existence?
Maybe it is impossible to know language through pure inution, maybe it is possible... I don't know.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
#9842954 - 02/22/09 08:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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A classic example of this is about some tribe of Eskimos or something. We have one word for the word "snow", which is snow. They have about 43 or so. Our experience of snow is one-dimensional, and our communication of it is fairly confined. They can go on and on about snow, and actually experience it differently, as for the grand majority, their language capabilities limit their experiential possibilities, because they attach meaning to things through language instead of direct perception. If it were otherwise, we'd all be zen masters.
I don't think those in touch with their higher selves learn a new language in terms of words or any form of communication. It is intuitive, and it is ineffable. It can't be communicated. I don't think it's about language. I think the experience is one that blows all other mental constructs apart. Everything you thought you knew wasn't enveloping the true whole of reality. Thus existential angst, panic attacks, anxiety, and all that is common in break throughs. In time, you form a new cognitive framework and constructs to accomodate this new experience you are intuiting.
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i believe society effects our human condition to rationalize away intuition or most 'mystical' experiences. if/when we do access our higher selves, its up to us to accept the new information or 'language' in our own way. finding the words to express the experience and trying to relate it to another individual might be limited, but i dont think the english language is necessarily corrupted or limited. i tend to think life just clouds our minds sometimes and we subconsciously refuse to see the possibilities. children are less inhibited to be more creative with language. as we grow up, society conditions us to spell correctly and be more 'proper' with language. we naturally accumulate more rules to language, limiting ourselves imo. then we become senile and out goes the formalities.
in conclusion, children and old farts hold the secret to hidden languages.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
#9843037 - 02/22/09 08:40 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look into terence mckennas stuff on "visible language"
and some of his videos also describe different languages from entities on a DMT trip
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
#9843400 - 02/22/09 10:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've had experiences evoking angelic entities. The level of communication definitely transcends the spoken word. It's rather like spending your entire life trapped to a two-dimensional surface, only to have that ripped away from you and the full glory of the three-dimensional world exposed. Blake (who himself conversed with angels) puts it best:
To see the world in a grain of sand, and to see heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hands, and eternity in an hour.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
#9843609 - 02/22/09 11:50 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow i love this thread.  got me thinking!
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: deCypher]
#9843854 - 02/22/09 12:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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How do you go about evoking them ?
And.. do the entities name themselves ?
Did you ask for a name ?
Do you think you could describe one of these experiences ?
I know you said it is beyond words , but i would like to hear more if you think it would be possible to convey in any way..
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
#9846888 - 02/22/09 08:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Music is one of those languages.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
#9846964 - 02/22/09 08:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is language but an agreed upon medium of communication?
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: DimensionX]
#9846968 - 02/22/09 08:31 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Music isn't hidden at all.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
#9847000 - 02/22/09 08:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It may not be hidden but it fits every other criteria written in the original post. And its meanings are pretty hidden because they are hard to describe using the english language.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: DimensionX]
#9847019 - 02/22/09 08:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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But people can understand things without needing to resort to the paradigm of the English language in order to explain them.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Poid]
#9847052 - 02/22/09 08:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think thats what this post is all about. Languages intuitively understood by humanity, but which are difficult or impossible to define using the English language. Because they can't be defined using normal language they remain hidden to some degree. I think music is the perfect example of this. Although music can be decoded and written down, the actual meanings created by the sounds are very hard to decode rationally.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: DimensionX]
#9847154 - 02/22/09 08:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kind of like vibes, right?
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lines]
#9847189 - 02/22/09 09:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the communication between other animals yet. Surely the language between large brained animals such as dolphins(I'm reminded of Lilly's work with them) is very highly evolved.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Poid]
#9847192 - 02/22/09 09:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: DimensionX]
#9847203 - 02/22/09 09:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lavod]
#9847208 - 02/22/09 09:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
lavod said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the communication between other animals yet. Surely the language between large brained animals such as dolphins(I'm reminded of Lilly's work with them) is very highly evolved.
I agree, but does that mean that the language between small brained animals is archaic by comparison? Is the size of the brain the defining factor in all this?
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: Poid]
#9847542 - 02/22/09 09:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do think that brain mass has a correlation to the complexity of the animal's functions as a whole. Small brained animals can communicate very efficiently, but this communication is limited to basic survival functions.
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Re: Are there hidden languages? [Re: lavod]
#9847571 - 02/22/09 09:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do think that brain mass has a correlation to the complexity of the animal's functions as a whole. Small brained animals can communicate very efficiently, but this communication is limited to basic survival functions.
Parrots have small brains, but they are considered to be highly intelligent creatures.
...also, walruses have big brains in comparison to a parrot's brain, and they aren't relatively intelligent creatures.
The idea that brain size and intelligence directly correlate is false.
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