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 God, Spacetime, and matter 
#9828652 - 02/19/09 05:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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According to The Upanishads(hindu scriptures) God who is called Brahman exists within the hearts of all creatures. So maybe there is the implication that God exists in all things yet transcends all things. That view is called panentheism(panentheism is different than pantheism). So if God is everywhere this leads me to believe that God could be considered a dimension of space where all things are compressed into a single point. It is possible that God is nothingness or that God is within nothingness. I also speculate that due to God being everywhere that all human insights are the result of the human mind travelling through God and that the faculty of intuition is what connects the human mind to God. So the universe may consist of: 1.spacetime which contains matter(spacetime is created by the motion of matter, time is motion), 2.nothingness, and 3.God(that which exists within the nothingness and unites all spacetime in one unity). God could be that which existed prior to the big bang(if the big bang is real, there are a variety of ways the universe could have been created... I don't think the literal creation story of genesis is what created the universe though) and maybe that which existed prior to the big band still exists. Both The Bible and Hindu scriptures speak of the universe being created by sound. Is it possible that matter is solidified sound waves? If matter is solidified sound waves and if God is within all matter then maybe God is the silence because silence exists in between all musical notes and silence exists in between all sound vibrations... and if silence exists in between all sound vibrations then silence exists within all sounds and permeates all sounds(panentheism). Maybe God is not silence, maybe God is that which is within silence. If teleportation is possible maybe to teleport means to travel through God and that by travelling through God one can travel to distant areas in space by travelling through the unity of all things. I wonder if it is possible to warp space using sound? If the force of gravity can pull matter maybe it is possible for space to be pulled through sound vibrations. Maybe the key to opening up doorways in space is that such doorways are constructed using sound. Hindus believe the sound OM brings ones mind back to God. The word home has the sound OM in it. God exists within the silence after the OM sound is mentioned. But the OM is what pulls a persons mind into the silence.
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 deCypher
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: lines]
#9829239 - 02/19/09 07:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look into the La Chorrera experiment by McKenna. Lots of interesting things come from the combination of intoning vibrations and psychedelics.
Also vibrating names in ceremonial magick might be up your alley.
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: deCypher]
#9829389 - 02/19/09 07:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is sound but the result of vibration?
Do you ever hear that high pitched tone in your ears when everything goes quite? Or the tone that occurs right at the time of the DMT flash?
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: lines]
#9830306 - 02/19/09 09:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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God is Spirit, according to Jesus. God seeks people to worship in Spirit and in Truth. God is as big as you can imagine and yet is manifested in the smallest particles. Aspects of God are displayed everywhere. There is no where that a person could go that would be outside of God's presence. God is THE Living Force. God's presence fills the Heavens and the Earth. God is everywhere at all times and can manifest aspects of 'God' instantaneously. God is alive. God can influence any and all aspects of existence on any level, anytime, in any way as God so chooses.
Jesus was one with God. Through Jesus' oneness with God, He walked on water, spoke to the storm and it instantly went peaceful, He healed the sick miraculously and performed other miracles. Nothing is impossible for God. Jesus said, if you can believe, all things are possible.
If you wish to make contact with God, just ask. Jesus said "ask and you shall receive, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you." I believe the prophet Isaiah said our sins against God has blocked us from knowing God. But Jesus took those away according to His statements in the Gospel according to John, and written in other places in the Book. This is why Jesus said He is the door.
I have had God experiences follow the directions of Jesus as given in the Gospels. I had to kind of back off because I began to see that God is BIG and it really started to scare me. Even though we know from testimony and from Jesus, that God is good and merciful and full of love and kindness. God knows that we are just dust...even though we like to think of ourselves as something "special". Yet God is still mindful of us and will hear us and answer when we come to God in God's way.
Ya wanna go on a serious trip? SEEK GOD
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: golddgrphil]
#9830392 - 02/19/09 09:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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If Jesus did walk on water and perform miracles then what he was doing was called siddhis. A siddhi is an ability one gets from dedication to yoga. Yoga generally involves the practice of brahmacharya. Yoga confers benefits besides siddhis though such as basic relaxation, calmness, and a sense of well-being.
"Nine main Siddhis
* Parkaya Pravesha: Parkaya Pravesh means one’s soul entering into the body of some other person. Through this knowledge even a dead body can be brought to life.
* Haadi Vidya: This Vidya or knowledge has been mentioned in several ancient texts. On acquiring this Vidya, a person feels neither hunger nor thirst, and can remain without eating food or drinking water for several days at a stretch.
* Kaadi Vidya: Just as one does not feel hungry or thirsty in Haadi Vidya, similarly in Kaadi Vidya a person is not affected by change of seasons, i.e. by summer, winter, rain, etc. After accomplishing this Vidya, a person shall not feel cold even if he sits in the snow-laden mountains, and shall not feel hot even if he sits in the fire.
* Vayu Gaman Siddhi: Through this Siddhi a person can become capable of flying in the skies and traveling from one place to another in just a few seconds.
* Madalasa Vidya: On accomplishing this Vidya, a person becomes capable of increasing or decreasing the size of his body according to his wish. Lord Hanuman had miniaturized his body through this Vidya while entering the city of Lanka.
* Kanakdhara Siddhi: One can acquire immense and unlimited wealth through this Siddhi.
* Prakya Sadhana: Through this Sadhana a Yogi can direct his disciple to take birth from the womb of a woman who is childless or cannot bear children.
* Surya Vigyan: This solar science is one of the most significant sciences of ancient India. This science has been known only to the Indian Yogis; using it, one substance can be transformed into another through the medium of sun rays.
* Mrit Sanjeevani Vidya: This Vidya was created by Guru Shukracharya. Through it, even a dead person can be brought back to life.
[edit] Eight Primary Siddhis
[edit] Mahabharata Version
Ganesha with the Ashta (8) Siddhis. The Ashtasiddhi are shown as attendants of Ganesha. Painting by Raja Ravi Varma (1848-1906)
There is the concept of the Ashta Siddhi (eight siddhis) in Hinduism. These are:
* Aṇimā: reducing one's body even to the size of an atom
* Mahimā: expanding one's body to an infinitely large size
* Garima: becoming infinitely heavy
* Laghimā: becoming almost weightless
* Prāpti: having unrestricted access to all places
* Prākāmya: realizing whatever one desires
* Iṣṭva: possessing absolute lordship;
* Vaśtva: the power to subjugate all.
In Hinduism, Hanuman possesses the ability to bestow the eight siddhis and the nava nidhi (nine types of wealth)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhis#Nine_main_Siddhis
I am skeptical that such abilities exist however I am open minded to the possibility of their existence. It is possible though that the siddhis mentioned are not supposed to be taken literally and are simply metaphors for states of consciousness. But I am not sure if they are literally real or not. One of the siddhis mentions teleportation and I speculate that if teleportation is real that people can teleport by travelling through God. I also think that maybe quantum physics could explain teleportation.
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golddgrphil
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: lines]
#9830510 - 02/19/09 10:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is very interesting information. I can see from reading your lists many of the miracles that are mentioned in the Bible.
***TO ANYONE READING(If you are a GOD HATER and wish to speak EVIL...do yourself a big favor and READ NO MORE OF THIS POST - NOW!!!)
Jesus simplified the explanation of these events as the Power of God's Spirit. It is the Spirit of God, which is PURE, Holy, and Most Lovely, which Jesus was blessed with by His Father (GOD) at His baptism in the river Jordan. After this, He did ministry for God's Glory and Praise and for the Love of people. Jesus did not seek to bring Himself Glory. He sought the Glory and Praise of God.
Jesus said have faith in GOD. There is only ONE God. Many religious beliefs come close, but Jesus brings the FULL Revelation. Jesus is ALL about GOD - the ONLY GOD. The Most High!
Jesus said that with Him we can do all things, but without Him we can do nothing. He gave His pure life for us so we could have His righteousness given by faith...faith in Jesus and God's love to us. God is the all sufficient provider. He even provided the forgiveness of our wrongs and sins against Him...this is in Jesus...permanent forgiveness. Thus enabling us to receive God's Spirit through Jesus. This is the 'Living Water' that Jesus spoke of as recorded in the Gospel of John.
Jesus had the correct perspective. He was humble, a servant, He gave Glory to God. The things are not for a show or to impress people like we are something great. Jesus has already acheived the Greatest and Highest position available in God's Kingdom. After we come to Jesus - His cross, His Life, and His words...we can enter in.
Jesus said we had to come like little children or we would never enter in to God's Kingdom (Realm). Entering in IS highly possible today. I have experienced things in Jesus of God that would be hard for you to believe had you not experienced them yourself.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH GOD. Give the Glory back to God, and to Jesus the Son, Savior, Christ - don't take it for yourself (I speak this to me as well). You will be amazed at the potential in GOD! Jesus said all of the works that He has done and even greater works we can do with Him because He is now at the Right Hand of His Father - that would be the GOD of the Universe - the Most High. These words Jesus spoke and have been passed down to us, are TRUE. We must come like little children - in simple faith, trust, acceptance, and love.
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deCypher
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: golddgrphil]
#9830527 - 02/19/09 10:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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golddgrphil said: Many religious beliefs come close, but Jesus brings the FULL Revelation.
And a Muslim will claim the same about Mohammed. Or a Hindu about his religion.
Why is it impossible for truth to be found in multiple sources?
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golddgrphil
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: deCypher]
#9830761 - 02/19/09 10:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There has been much truth spoken, written and lost, lived and forgotten. Some of the truth still is out there. The way I see it is it all starts with God. I believe the testimony from Jesus and other religions that there is only One God for the whole Universe. Then it comes down to what is God like? Having read and seen what Jesus did, said, and how He conducted Himself in Love...Jesus' words make sense to me. There is no doubt that the perspective of Jesus has been clouded, diluted, etc... but the basics of His words as passed down to us (Mathew, Mark, Luke, John). His Words make sense to me regarding God, God's plan, and God's Kingdom for His children. It is not complicated. Its not the end...ITS ONLY THE BEGINNING!
Jesus kept LOVE all the way to the death. Jesus has all the power that represents GOD. He chose to love His enemies and He prayed for their forgiveness as they were killing Him; He could have annihilated them.
He demonstrated the creative healing Life of God in healing the sick - new eyeballs, limbs, healing diseases, raising people from the dead, etc...These sound to me like the works that God would do. Jesus said God loved all of US so much that He offered His own dear Son (Who did nothing sinful or wrong) so that anyone who Receives and Believes in Jesus is totally and forever forgiven. That sounds like God's love. God Loves us. Jesus loves us. Jesus wants us to experience God and God's Kingdom...now and forever.
I have experiences that I will never give up.
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deCypher
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: golddgrphil]
#9830774 - 02/19/09 10:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
golddgrphil said:
That sounds like God's love. God Loves us. Jesus loves us.
How do you explain theodicy then?
Why does God let children be born with genetic deformities so they spend the rest of their lives in agony? Why does He permit serial killers to wreak their bloody vengeance on the world? Why does he allow suffering to persist if He truly does love us so much?
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golddgrphil
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: deCypher]
#9830944 - 02/19/09 11:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jesus one time pointed out a situation where a large tower fell over and killed a bunch of people (Tower of Silom). In Luke 13, Jesus mentioned the tragedy. Jesus said those people were not worse than others. Stuff happens. Jesus said "unless we all repent we would likewise perish." He was saying "get right with God." Life is short.
For reasons mostly know only to God, ugliness still exists and evil things happen. The curse of sin/evil is still operating in the world. However, as a line of defence, we do have Jesus' promise of His presence, and peace. There is still healing available from God. I have seen them before. I wish to see more. I know they are needed now as ever. God still delivers people from evil...God says to call on Him. There are things happening now for reasons only God knows, that will never be this way ever again. It is a time to do valiant service for God. Yeah, evil works, but God is greater. God makes use of everything in some way. All things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purposes. Jesus calls those who love Him to be LIGHTS in a dark world. Jesus can use us as He was in this world...He can do the same things through us to help the world now. Jesus said this is possible. We have to seek Him and understand His words - (Go right for Jesus' words.) God still has controlling power.
You know God has to HATE having to listen to the screams and cries of victims. Imagine what it was like to not have an evil hard heart. To be still loving, gentle, sensitive, easy to get ones feelings hurt because the love is still tender...God is PURE in heart. Jesus is PURE in heart.
To the workers of evil...CHANGE - REPENT - GET RIGHT WITH GOD - God is angry with the wicked all the time, everyday and every moment. One day it will all be done - it would SUCK BAD to be on God's bad side and be the recipient of God's anger/wrath.:( Consider the power of God in operation in the Sun. Consider the destructive power of a super nova. Would you want to mess with God?
Jesus will help you and He will not turn Anyone away.
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: deCypher]
#9831552 - 02/20/09 03:22 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Why is it impossible for truth to be found in multiple sources?
NICE! Totally agreed. Different paths can lead to the same way.
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: giPSY]
#9831730 - 02/20/09 05:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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that doesnt matter to christians
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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: lines]
#9831977 - 02/20/09 07:12 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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On sound...
Many times when I say a word that has the "eta" sound, it causes me to experiences deja vu.
This happened to me again just last night when I tried to say "beta blockers". Before I could finish uttering the word I was struck with deja vu just like the last time that I tried to say "metaphysical".
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deCypher
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: golddgrphil]
#9832069 - 02/20/09 07:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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golddgrphil said:
God is angry with the wicked all the time, everyday and every moment. One day it will all be done - it would SUCK BAD to be on God's bad side and be the recipient of God's anger/wrath.:(
One day, one day... Seems God is pretty powerless to do anything whatsoever about evil acts perpetrated on this world, let alone suffering caused by natural disasters.
I'd rather not live my life in anticipation of a big carrot or a big stick after I die.
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: deCypher]
#9834250 - 02/20/09 02:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coil "Blood from the air"
A sleeping explorer
his wandering mind
crossed over the border
a mind like a cemetery
where the corpses
are turning
where the bodies
twist deep
in the frozen grip
of a dreamless sleep
then the lowest
comes up
like a wreck
from the depths.
He hears night calling
and has dreams
of waking
here in this brightness
that burns like
slow lightening
he sees words
burnt in ice
reads, "The World is
a Wound".
Effects of the animal -
Animal sound effects
He says, "Death
he is my friend
He promised me
a quick end".
Says, "The world is
in pain
and should be
put down
and God is a sadist
and that he knows it".
The depths of the
night sky
reflects in his eye
He says,
"Everything changes
And everyone dies".
And the night
slits her veins
and the
darkness drains
and the void
rumbles in
like an
underground train...
Forever comes closer
the world is in pain
we all must be shown
we must realise
that everyone changes
and everything dies.
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deCypher
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Re: God, Spacetime, and matter [Re: lavod]
#9834411 - 02/20/09 03:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coil! I need to get into more of their music; The Dreamer is Still Asleep is one of my favorites.
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