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 Green_T
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 Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] 
#9736398 - 02/04/09 09:09 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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(Background Article) Some good points here. People say the main significance of this horrible incident is that people should not have a fearful attitude towards the police, as that is what ultimately caused the girl's death - and this has raised issues regarding the police's use of drug dogs. However, the police say people should be fearful of them, as that will convince them to stop doing drugs. Flawed logic.
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Source: The West Australian
POLICE DEFEND USE OF DRUG SNIFFER DOGSPolice have defended their use of drug sniffer dogs at music festivals after the suspected fatal overdose of teenager Gemma Thoms. The 17-year-old apprentice hairdresser collapsed at the Big Day Out on Sunday after apparently swallowing several ecstasy pills in a panicked attempt to avoid police detection. Although police with dogs were only at a nearby train station, it is believed she may have heard stories from other people while waiting in line to enter Claremont Showground and became frightened police near the gates would search her. As the investigation into Gemma's death continued yesterday, WA Police hit back at suggestions that their tactics contributed to the girl's death. The Youth Affairs Council of WA and NSW Greens MP Sylvia Hale said the presence of the police and dogs would have intimidated and frightened festival-goers and might have contributed to the "horrible mistake" the teenager made. YACWA chief executive Lisa Laschon said the police operation was to make patrons feel "threatened, intimidated and fearful, in the hope that young people would decide not to consume illicit substances at the event or at future events". "What worries me the most is whether or not this death could have been avoided if the relationship young people had with police was not one of fear and dread," she said. Ms Hale also claimed that sniffer dogs did nothing to detect the "Mr Bigs" of drug distribution. Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan described the claims, which seemed to suggest "police should turn a blind eye, do nothing about drug possession and ignore the State's laws regarding illegal drugs" as absurd. He sent his condolences to Gemma's family but said police did not accept responsibility for her death. "Police will not be modifying their tactics when it comes to people who use or deal in illegal drugs, and I believe the community supports that approach," Mr O'Callaghan said. Premier Colin Barnett backed his strong stance, saying police had a responsibility to stop drug use in the community. Ms Laschon said the Youth Affairs Council did not condone the use of illicit drugs but a zero tolerance approach did not work and police and the Government should instead help educate young people about the consequences of taking drugs. News Blog: Should Clubbers be Searched for Drugs?
Edited by green_titan (02/04/09 09:27 PM)
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 cube428
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 Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: Green_T]
#9736510 - 02/04/09 09:31 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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hard to blame the police / dogs on this one but damnt, what a sad sad state of affairs 
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: cube428]
#9736563 - 02/04/09 09:38 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah. I'd say blame for this falls #1 on whoever made those obviously adulterated ecstasy pills.
Still though, wouldn't have happened without prohibition.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: sorahtak]
#9736770 - 02/04/09 10:10 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats what she gets, she should have turned around and left after seeing them, or just throw them in the trash, or drop them! OMG, there cops! im gonna swallow 900 hundred pills i know could kill me so i can get away! stupid btch! 
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: sorahtak]
#9736819 - 02/04/09 10:19 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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" Yeah. I'd say blame for this falls #1 on whoever made those obviously adulterated ecstasy pills. "  agreed
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: sorahtak]
#9736846 - 02/04/09 10:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats what she gets, she should have turned around and left after seeing them, or just throw them in the trash, or drop them! OMG, there cops! im gonna swallow 900 hundred pills i know could kill me so i can get away! stupid btch!
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: sorahtak]
#9736981 - 02/04/09 10:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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sorahtak said:
Yeah. I'd say blame for this falls #1 on whoever made those obviously adulterated ecstasy pills.
There's no evidence that these pills were adulterated. Maybe they were of an unusually high dose. 360mg (3x120) of MDMA in one shot might kill a small (~110lb/50kg) person, you know. And who knows if she'd already dosed on something before then?
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Still though, wouldn't have happened without prohibition.
I agree that prohibition was a very significant contibuting factor in this case. Had she not taken all three pills at once she would probably have had a great time... assuming they weren't just a load of toxic crap. But it was still pretty stupid of her to neck the whole lot.
Edited by Mr E Guest (02/04/09 10:58 PM)
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: Green_T]
#9737596 - 02/05/09 12:01 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think heavy police presence and the dogs caused her to panic
thats why theyre lying and saying it wasnt their fault
she wouldnt have swollowed them if they hadnt have scared the shit out of her
theyll really have to reconsider whether they are doing more harm than good just trying to raise revenue
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: filthee]
#9737761 - 02/05/09 12:24 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably PMA. I know there have been a couple deaths attributed to PMA in Australia.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: wireless]
#9737932 - 02/05/09 12:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read some more background stories off the source website, and from what i gathered
1) It was ecstasy - she overheated and thats what killed her (it is summer in Australia, remember)
2) She was at a post where there weren't drug dogs, but she didn't know and panicked.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: wireless]
#9737969 - 02/05/09 12:51 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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So she died of poor medical care? As in medical response professionals not addressing her panic and obvious phenethylamine overdose or was it adulterated by a separate chemical? It's extremely hard and rare to overdose on MDMA, was it 3 pills or 99? The description is too vague to tell in this article
This is a perfect example of my torn opinion on laws regarding drugs. I believe people should be able to embide whatever they want into their body's but It needs to be regulated by the power of the government. as in the FDA needs to simply address recreational drug use as a perfectly normal function of the human anatomy as it has been for thousands of years. And doing so control the ingredients in any drug sold to the unsuspecting consumer. So when you by "Ecstasy" or whatever street named product a company produces, it is actual MDMA as checked by the FDA and thats backed by the government and their supreme court.
I could go on for days, It's a very tired subject but news none the less huh.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: Green_T]
#9737998 - 02/05/09 12:54 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
green_titan said:
I read some more background stories off the source website, and from what i gathered
1) It was ecstasy - she overheated and thats what killed her (it is summer in Australia, remember)
2) She was at a post where there weren't drug dogs, but she didn't know and panicked.
Over heated from three pills? What was it like 110 degrees outside? It's pretty hard to over heat from ecstasy unless you are in a place where its already really hot or your doing a very vigorous activity without water. I smell media lies. No one just over heats from taking ecstasy and listening to music without mitigating circumstances. Australian government and media are fuckers when it comes to drugs.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: wireless]
#9738260 - 02/05/09 01:33 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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wireless said:
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What was it like 110 degrees outside?
yes as a matter of fact.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: wireless]
#9738276 - 02/05/09 01:37 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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She could have been prone to hypertension but They always leave out the little detail's when it's comes to "dangerous" drugs, just like animal attacks, the details describe the fault but the blame is placed not on circumstances but the object of discretion. They do it with everything potentially harmful. I'm used to it, nothing you can do about the ignorance of humanity, I'm severely ignorant and until we can admit to ourselves how stupid we are (even the most educated) we will never achieve true freedom.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: Purple_spore]
#9738898 - 02/05/09 04:03 AM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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A pointless death, very sad  It will probably also be used to bolster the number of deaths that the government will point to as being attributed to MDMA.
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Re: Police Defend Use of Drug Dogs After Teenager Death [AUS] [Re: lumibles]
#9740566 - 02/05/09 02:53 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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A pointless death, very sad It will probably also be used to bolster the number of deaths that the government will point to as being attributed to MDMA.
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