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 Captain Caveman
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 Advancements in Cultivation 
#9715789 - 02/01/09 05:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Guys, help me make a thread for all the new folk, so that they might not be led astray. Over the past few years, there has been incredible advancement in our little hobby. So much so, that a new member reading through old threads (as seems mandatory), might stumble upon outdated theories. Im lacking sleep, so bare with me. I KNOW Im gonna miss many things, which is why I need your help. Please dont post opinions, or half tested procedures! I have my own that Im not sharing here myself.
1. Spores CAN germinate in water en route to your house. Dont freak when you get that long awaited syringe and see wisps of grey or white.
2. You CAN mist pins directly, provided you have the FAE you should have to begin with. It will NOT cause aborts.
3. Cold dunking is now generally accepted as a waste of time for cubensis.
4. When growing bulk, a casing layer is not necessary.
5. Coir was used extensively as a casing ingredient because it was thought to have very little nutritional content. Not only is this untrue, it also makes a great substrate.
6. You dont have to toss a FRUITING grow at the mere sight of trich. Get that 1st flush, them bury it.
7. FULL colonization of a casing does not constitute overlay. Overlay is a hype word, and is used way too much. Just fan and mist your grow, give it light, and for god sakes be patient.
8. Direct sunlight is not the UBER DEATHBRINGER to your grow. In fact, if done in short bursts (5-15 minutes a day), it can be beneficial for forming pinsets.
Ok guys, thats all I care to try to remember as of now. Tomorrow, I shall give it another go.
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Edited by Captain Caveman (02/01/09 05:56 AM)
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Synesthetic
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: Captain Caveman]
#9715798 - 02/01/09 05:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm you should offer these to Nibin. He's updating his newcomer thread, which should be the start-off place for people new to the hobby.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: Synesthetic]
#9716322 - 02/01/09 11:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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More proof nobody reads the stickies that are at the top of page 1. There's two similar stickies already  Maybe I should unstick them.
RR
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9716411 - 02/01/09 11:48 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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idk there was stickies about this stuff, going to go read it now 
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Captain Caveman
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: exzile]
#9716500 - 02/01/09 12:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tried to make it simple and straightforward. Im not asking for any sticky or anything, and the flood of questions everyday show that the stickied threads go overly unused. For the love of Jeebus, whenever a newcomer comes to the forum, he is flooded with shouts from everyone telling them to use the search function. When they do, they come across alot of outdated ideas (which are still in the FAQS). Instead of worrying about stickies, maybe one should worry about getting facts straight on the main sites cultivation area. Unstick them if you may, and critisize if you want. Maybe next time I get a "help the new guys" hair up my ass, I will just say....
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION!
Anyhoot, I'm off to the store.
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: Captain Caveman]
#9716607 - 02/01/09 12:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've actually found the favorites that some users link to in their journal very helpful. Damion5050, hope you don't mind being used as an example, but I've referenced his journal post a good number of times. I think something like that ought to be stickied. There is a ton of good information out there posted by trusted cultivators already; it would just be nice to consolidate it all in one place. Also, I think it should be a thread that only moderators and trusted cultivators are allowed to contribute to, so that any bad information can be weeded out, and the thread doesn't turn into 10 pages with a lot of noise.
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Captain Caveman
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: Captain Caveman]
#9716922 - 02/01/09 01:36 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Captain Caveman said:
I tried to make it simple and straightforward. Im not asking for any sticky or anything, and the flood of questions everyday show that the stickied threads go overly unused. For the love of Jeebus, whenever a newcomer comes to the forum, he is flooded with shouts from everyone telling them to use the search function. When they do, they come across alot of outdated ideas (which are still in the FAQS). Instead of worrying about stickies, maybe one should worry about getting facts straight on the main sites cultivation area. Unstick them if you may, and critisize if you want. Maybe next time I get a "help the new guys" hair up my ass, I will just say....
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION!
Anyhoot, I'm off to the store.
Sorry bout my little rant, its already been a day here. I agree with the above poster in that there is too much garble in the stickies. And I will post a thread in the suggestion box later about purging the main site of outdated techs. This may be a newer account, but I had lurked this site for years under a friends name while visiting his house. I have noticed the noob bashing increasing. If you dont wanna see another "Why wont this pin?" or, "Is it safe to walk AND breathe at the same time?" thread, then ffs just dont open/answer it. There are MANY people that are willing to answer questions over and over, ad nauseum. I just wanted to post something helpful, and gather outdated ideas. I apologize for this.
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MartMan
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: Captain Caveman]
#9717001 - 02/01/09 01:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for trying to help the newer people out.
I also 2nd sending info to Nibin to assist in updating the main pages of the site. Even with the tools provided it can be difficult to consistently get good info when trying to figure something out.
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: MartMan]
#9717263 - 02/01/09 02:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is part of the reason we came up with the trusted cultivator tag, and made the 'search posts' function able to filter all the crap and return threads only by trusted cultivators. I've set out to clean up the main site before, but there's literally thousands of pages of total shit there that will screw up anyone who tries to use it.
We gave nibin access to the main site, so hopefully when he has time he can start dumping that nonsense out. I'm starting a new business, so my time here is about to become seriously limited, and I can't touch a project of that size. Most of those pages need to be simply dumped, rather than try to edit the crap out. I also keep accurate and up to date information on my website, so hopefully that helps too.
RR
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9717516 - 02/01/09 03:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, once exams are over I'm going back to work.
At the moment I don't have the time but in three weeks everything will be finished and I'll be back to updating.
I have already typed up some stuff.
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MushHunter08
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9717964 - 02/01/09 05:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
This is part of the reason we came up with the trusted cultivator tag, and made the 'search posts' function able to filter all the crap and return threads only by trusted cultivators. I've set out to clean up the main site before, but there's literally thousands of pages of total shit there that will screw up anyone who tries to use it.
We gave nibin access to the main site, so hopefully when he has time he can start dumping that nonsense out. I'm starting a new business, so my time here is about to become seriously limited, and I can't touch a project of that size. Most of those pages need to be simply dumped, rather than try to edit the crap out. I also keep accurate and up to date information on my website, so hopefully that helps too.
RR
Roger, I have a whole lot of time on my hands currently since I haven't been able to find work. I would be more then willing to help clean up junk on this website every day. That is until I find work again. I figure it's the least I can do to pay back the shroomery for the knowledge it has given me. Also, I sleep only about 5-6 hours a night lol so I am sure I can make a dent in the crap that needs to go. Let me know If the powers at be would be ok with this.
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: MushHunter08]
#9720901 - 02/02/09 03:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If yo ha the time just start reading the writeups and anything you see that you think should be modified/changed post it in my journal (see link in sig)
The more of us working on this the better
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Captain Caveman
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: Nibin]
#9720923 - 02/02/09 03:30 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ill try and throw a hand in as well Nibin. Work naught, bitch naught lol.
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: Captain Caveman]
#9721276 - 02/02/09 07:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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there is alot of iffy information, but if people would just use there nogin when searching they could filter some of that out. One of the most things people dont see when searching posts is the date. Posts are searched by relevance, i always sort it by date first.
Also searching by trusted cultivator, or by a username you know.
And ofcoarse it helps to read the forums as much as possible.
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Re: Advancement of the Cultivation Thread [Re: veda_sticks]
#9721814 - 02/02/09 11:54 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
veda_sticks said:
there is alot of iffy information, but if people would just use there nogin when searching they could filter some of that out. One of the most things people dont see when searching posts is the date. Posts are searched by relevance, i always sort it by date first.
Also searching by trusted cultivator, or by a username you know.
And ofcoarse it helps to read the forums as much as possible.
I know my 2 cents prob doesnt matter much but a noob doesnt know which info to "filter out". I know when I started reading everything on shroomery I didnt even know what to start reading first, so you look at everything, and the search helps but doesnt guide you in the right direction. I have never even talked in a forum b4 so every thing was new to me. I still find things here that i didnt even know existed. then when you do find info pertaining to your question, a noob doesnt know that the date matters to relevance and it might be an old tek. noobs really cant make that decision, after all what do they know. You really cant know what to ask when you start if you dont know anything. for example if you never heard of pizza how would you know to pick a topping if you didnt even know toppings were part of the process. I knew absolutly nothing about mycology when I first ventured here.
I guess what im getting at is there should be a mushroom life cycle type set up here for beginners. like spores start the life of a shroom so noobs should be directed to vendors. then you germinate and get myc to grow so you should be directed to colonizing teks then info on pinning (whats good and bad). then beginner fruiting (pf tek) or med. level bulk substrates teks. lists of acceptable materials that can be used for substrates and casings. then bulk fruiting. then teks on spore prints to start the cycle all over again.
I know there is a guide to direct you to areas of these types of things but a noob doesnt know which came first the shroom or the spore.lol so when the shroomery gets a new member the first thing in cultivation that he sees is 1)START HERE and they learn the life cycle and have a course to follow instead of diving in head first and getting exposed to advanced teks in the search and trying to noob up a proven tek.
I hope this made a little sense to someone else besides me.
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