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 deCypher
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 Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens?
#9703231 - 01/29/09 10:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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From the forum index:
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Come here to discuss mushrooms and other natural hallucinogens.
From the rules:
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This forum is designed for questions and discussions about Psychedelic Mushrooms and the following other psychedelics: LSD, Mescaline, DMT, Ayahuasca, LSA(Morning Glory and Hawaiian Baby Woodrose), Marijuana and Salvia
Surely research chemicals such as 2C-B, 2C-E, and many many more serotonergic psychedelics which can provide just as much wisdom and enlightenment deserve discussion as part of the vast, diverse, and beautifully powerful psychedelic experience?
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 Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9703244 - 01/29/09 10:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree. Putting all the RCs in ODD is bullshit.
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Salomon
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9703248 - 01/29/09 10:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats bull. there soo many conversations about everything from E to DXM. natural? hardly. but no one gets banned for it. 
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Entropymancer
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9703268 - 01/29/09 10:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The reason is simple: Ripper.
Those guidelines were written in the wake of the whole Ripper horrorshow, when national media was turning its eyes towards the shroomery. I think that by now it'd probably be safe to rewrite the guidelines.
This was discussed at length in a thread where people were arguing about the decision to have all DXM threads in ODD (which isn't immediately visible upon registering). I believe Cervantes was the thread starter if you want to search for it.
Also it didn't help matters that around that time the South Park episode where kids at the school were all drinking cough syrup aired, causing a flood of 14-year-olds asking which cough medicine to buy.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9703292 - 01/29/09 10:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont know why.
Thats for sure.
Seems pretty silly to me in some ways.
I am one who thinks dxm should be ok here.
So Im cool with super psychedelic research chems too.
Maybe they are trying to keep it clean and subtract the candy kid element of what this forum could become.
You know, rc's, dxm, E-pill-mix, and shit that can kill you type of stuff.
Stuff that is readily availible on the internet if you have some balls to seek it out type of stuff.
Stuff that has not so many years of long term testing even by users type of stuff.
Stuff that is availible online, but borderline illegal(or totally illegal) types of stuff.
Keep out that controversial shit and the "lets eat anything crowd" in order to keep this forum as safe as possible.
Loving the common and safe stuff, type of stuff.
IDK........
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deCypher
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: yageman]
#9703327 - 01/29/09 10:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Frankly, I feel that this forum should be extended to discuss all entheogens; why is discussion of Amanita Muscaria and Datura Stramonium not technically permitted according to the rules?
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Entropymancer
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9703332 - 01/29/09 10:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because they're considered more dangerous than the drugs explicitly allowed in those outlines. Again, projecting the image that the Shroomery promotes responsible, safe drug use was critically important when the site was flooded with reporters collecting ammo for their articles about Ripper's epic fail.
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yageman
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9703379 - 01/29/09 10:36 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Frankly, I feel that this forum should be extended to discuss all entheogens; why is discussion of Amanita Muscaria and Datura Stramonium not technically permitted according to the rules?
To deter people from talking about them?
They are easy to obtain?
Shit like that id imagine.
Doesnt seem to work because I see those threads here all the time.
I can understand the rules.
They seem loose too.
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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 Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9704275 - 01/30/09 04:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's no such thing as an unnatural hallucinogen. Technically some of them are artificial but they are still natural. All hallucinogens and psychoactives are natural. That is why they have a psychoactive effect. They are all neurotransmitters that exist outside the body. Our brains have evolved highly sophisticated mechanisms for receiving certain chemicals and producing a specific effect. Our brains are preprogrammed to intercept these molecules and read them like a blueprint to create the psychoactive effects that are instructed by the molecules. It is not some freak accident how for example LSD effects our mind. These chemicals do not mimic other neurotransmitters like foolish scientists speculate because they cannot give a definite answer as to how these chemicals work. Most people will never understand this concept because they are ignorant to the true nature of reality and existence. Although this is starting to get into the metaphysical nature of reality.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: NlightNd1]
#9704777 - 01/30/09 08:42 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, shortly after being promoted, I suggested expanding the scope of discussion here. Nobody agrees with me.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: LSDreamer]
#9705079 - 01/30/09 10:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, shortly after being promoted, I suggested expanding the scope of discussion here. Nobody agrees with me.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: Justice_Fish]
#9705104 - 01/30/09 10:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh well. Not that big of a deal.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: Justice_Fish]
#9705115 - 01/30/09 10:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i told you i was hardcore 
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: Abuse]
#9705391 - 01/30/09 11:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I semi-agree with yageman. Many people on this forum may not know what other psychedelics or hallucinogens there are. If Datura were more well known, more people would try it, and thus the risk increases. It's not as "safe" as other hallucinogens.
I wouldn't mind discussion of the, because the people who want to try it would be able to get advice here at The Psychedelic Experience, the forum with the most traffic on this site.
Compared to other forums, though, threads that don't pertain to the forum topic are not moved as often as they SHOULD be according to the forum rules.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: Abuse]
#9705818 - 01/30/09 12:53 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i told you i was hardcore
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deCypher
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: Angel_Above]
#9706332 - 01/30/09 02:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Angel_Above said: If Datura were more well known, more people would try it, and thus the risk increases. It's not as "safe" as other hallucinogens.
And that means that we should deny its psychedelic effects, or prevent access to information about Datura to people who don't yet have fifty posts and can't see ODD?
Censorship is not the answer. Informing and educating people about the risks and benefits of psychoactive drugs is.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9707975 - 01/30/09 06:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with many of you that many types of Rc's hold as much importance as LSD,DMT,ETC. but the reasons for not having a subcategory for them outweigh the reasons for having one...unfortunately
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9708335 - 01/30/09 07:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Angel_Above said: If Datura were more well known, more people would try it, and thus the risk increases. It's not as "safe" as other hallucinogens.
And that means that we should deny its psychedelic effects, or prevent access to information about Datura to people who don't yet have fifty posts and can't see ODD?
Censorship is not the answer. Informing and educating people about the risks and benefits of psychoactive drugs is.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9708419 - 01/30/09 07:54 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know. LSD isn't totally natural anyway, and at one point it was also a so-called "research chemical". I don't think the point is to limit it to substances found in nature. It's more likely to limit discussion to the most researched, documented, and widely used psychedelics. But I think if you can talk about LSD in this forum you should probably be able to make a thread about 2CB for example.
Anything that has obvious reported PSYCHEDELIC effects, seems like it'd make sense to talk about in the PSYCHEDELIC forum, no? Especially PEA & Tryptamine based stuff that are so closely related to the substances which are the main scope of the forum. Go figure though.
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Re: Why is The Psychedelic Experience forum only limited to natural hallucinogens? [Re: deCypher]
#9708481 - 01/30/09 08:07 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Angel_Above said: If Datura were more well known, more people would try it, and thus the risk increases. It's not as "safe" as other hallucinogens.
And that means that we should deny its psychedelic effects, or prevent access to information about Datura to people who don't yet have fifty posts and can't see ODD?
Censorship is not the answer. Informing and educating people about the risks and benefits of psychoactive drugs is.
I think there's a difference between this and censorship. The information is still out there (in ODD), but it's not visible to noobs for a good reason.
The information posted on the shroomery doesn't generally come from qualified professionals. There's plenty of misinformation on different drugs spread accross the boards here. With relatively benign drugs like LSD, cannabis, and mushrooms, misinformation isn't really a life-or-death issue, so it's not much of a problem.
But with other less-benign drugs, misinformation can be a life-or-death issue. Having these discussions occur in ODD ensures that anyone with access to the forum has been around long enough that they (should) know to take any unsourced information with a grain of salt. This is an entirely reasonable safety precaution.
If you want to read about these other drugs without having been registered for a certain amount of time, there are other message boards that provide such discussion (bluelight, for example). But this way dangerous misinformation isn't getting into the hands/minds of noobs because they read it on the shroomery.
I can understand where such a precaution is both reasonable and responsible. Otherwise the burden would rest on the mods to correct all dangerous misinformation, which doesn't seem fair (as the mods can't be expected to be up-to-date experts on every psychedelic under the sun). That's a big reason behind this policy, according to Cervantes.
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