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Anonymous #1
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 Suicide 
#9588225 - 01/11/09 07:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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People tell me all the reasons why I should not kill myself. The more I consider the things they say - the less I buy it. The general cookie cutter responses are as follows:
1.) "You'll hurt those you leave behind"
2.) "You'll go to "hell"
3.) You'll be forced to repeat this experience again
4.) It's the coward's way out
5.) Change what you don't like instead.
etc, etc, etc,
Here are my rebuttals.
1.) Death/hurt are natural parts of life. I have no friends. My mother disowned me 15 years ago, and my aunts/uncles would give two shits less. And for the record we all continue our lives regardless of death around us - so life goes on.
2.) There is no proof of this, and it's a risk I'm thinking may be worth it. If I die and go to hell then I guess they got me twice
3.) Again NO proof whatsoever.
4.) I don't see myself as a coward. I see myself who 100% does not fit in to ANY aspects of modern man. I walk around everyday in utter amazement that this is what we've come up with as humans. Frankly, I want no part of it anymore. I work a job I absolutely despise, and please do not tell me to do something else for work because I am not a slave. But oh yeah, you have to work for the almighty dollar just to get by in this fake system we've created. No thanks.
5.) There's nothing I should have to change. The brainwashed citizens of the world who blindly follow what their leaders feed them are the ones who need to change. This will not happen. I am willing to gamble that based upon how the last 20 years in my consciousness have felt that any change outside the prison of this body will be welcome.
Please save all the cliche responses. I've done this math for some time now.
More people would see the writing on the wall if they stopped and realized that nothing is real anyway.
I cannot realistically visualize myself continuing. A fake smile can only be forced for so long.
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 AmericanPsycho
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Registered: 12/18/06
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Quote:
Anonymous said:
1.) Death/hurt are natural parts of life. I have no friends. My mother disowned me 15 years ago, and my aunts/uncles would give two shits less. And for the record we all continue our lives regardless of death around us - so life goes on.
Yeah I feel the same way. My only friend killed himself already and my family are crazy. Fuck them.
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 flavoraid
now with twicethe ketamine andopiates!
Registered: 12/05/07
Posts: 1,678
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Sadly, with suicide the only consequence I see is the name that give yourself by killing yourself.. you're more or less labeled as the depressed guy who couldn't take life anymore even if many people mourne your death.
I suppose you have to "live" with the thought of hurting whom ever you have in your life but I don't really account for this people need to deal with loss throughout their lives. In most cases people would get over it and move on. I don't think anyone would go on too long before forgetting about me.
I personally have suicidal thoughts but I will never take my own life. You have the right to do as you want with your life in my opinion but life is all you have. You live and then you die this is it and I promise you that you won't live forever.
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coda said:
imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.
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neopet nub
Stranger
Registered: 11/29/08
Posts: 2,408
Last seen: 1 year, 2 months
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Well, shroomery will get negative publicity if we let him follow through...
But, I think suicide is perfectly normal and solves some problems! I do not see why someone would commit suicide before using all their money on weed, acid, and shrooms. Those will prolly make you want to live again anyways.
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Ego death from weed!
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aDoS
freedom lover
Registered: 06/18/05
Posts: 7,590
Loc: land of the free
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You are expecting too much out of life. Life is suffering, and everything about life leads to suffering. I don't know what is after this shitty journey, but neither do you. No one knows. But, you are going to die eventually, its a sure thing. And you don't know what it will be when it eventually does happen. Death can be the best thing that ever happens to you, it might be the worst, might just be nothing. You will experience death eventually, so why rush towards it? Live life, and when you die you will die.
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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
 GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH
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neopet nub
Stranger
Registered: 11/29/08
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Re: Suicide [Re: aDoS]
#9588383 - 01/11/09 08:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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aDoS said:
You are expecting too much out of life. Life is suffering, and everything about life leads to suffering. I don't know what is after this shitty journey, but neither do you. No one knows. But, you are going to die eventually, its a sure thing. And you don't know what it will be when it eventually does happen. Death can be the best thing that ever happens to you, it might be the worst, might just be nothing. You will experience death eventually, so why rush towards it? Live life, and when you die you will die.
Free DMT I guess...
But, if you are going to die, go out with a bang like Aldous Huxley and take like 1.2 grams of IV acid.
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Ego death from weed!
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sunflower
We're here....
Registered: 08/19/06
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Just curious...why did you post this? You don't want responses...so why post here in a forum that focuses on physical and mental well being?
Well here is my response anyway....get out of the loop. Turn off your computer, or leave it on...whatever...take the little bit of money you have...and head out. leave where you are...leave everything...no matter what...since death doesn't matter, you are free  . Go DO. Do what you want, nothing is for sure except death, so do anything you fear, or everything you have dreamed of...what's the worst that can happen ,lol, you might get killed? you might starve?
You have a golden opportunity here. You are at the cusp of your life, jump.....DO, ...or continue in the drudgery and die or kill yourself..or don't .....whatever.
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Christian Bale
Stranger
Registered: 10/20/04
Posts: 47,118
Loc: 
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The fact you're trying to get people to persuade you not to do it is enough to tell me you won't follow through with it anyway.
Suck it up and find something you enjoy doing.
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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 13,719
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 3 days, 17 hours
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Quote:
flavoraid said:
Sadly, with suicide the only consequence I see is the name that give yourself by killing yourself.. you're more or less labeled as the depressed guy who couldn't take life anymore even if many people mourne your death.
Riiiight... this should be the most concerning thing for someone in this situation. 
I'd die of shame knowing that I have been labeled as a loser because of my suicide. 
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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ZippoZ
Knomadic
Registered: 06/17/03
Posts: 12,096
Loc: Pongyang, North Korea
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because time and time again, people that considered killing themselves, and have not, have almost always thought living was a good choice in hindsight, and that they were a fucking idiot for considering it in the first place.
man up.
life is tough, but it gets easier...
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PEACE
 zippoz
"in times of widespread chaos and cofusion, it has ben the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m anagment, too much programming and controll, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"
"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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Sentient#6
Servant of the Gods
Registered: 12/04/08
Posts: 376
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Re: Suicide [Re: ZippoZ]
#9589514 - 01/11/09 12:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like the OP needs some social interaction...beyond the forum of course.
Blood bonds never meant shit anyway, family disowning is insignificant.
Oh, and if you committed suicide because of little depression problems sprouted from alienation, yeah, yer a coward.
Go find yerself a woman...or man? Life doesn't and shouldn't give you anything. Stop being selfish and devote time to someone else, and you'll stop sulking in your insignificance.
Be happy you're not being raped in prison, dieing of cancer, or shot at in Iraq. Shit can always get worse...
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Last night I was honored with the Nobel Prize in theoretical physics. This worldwide recognition has given me the opportunity to bring hope to a war-ravaged world. I vowed to myself I would work like a dog at this. But now, it's 10:30 in the morning and I'm just getting out of bed. I did get up earlier around 8:00am, but I just lied in bed for a while, and then...jerked off. I've got to stop masturbating, it makes me too lazy. Stop it Albert...stop it.
~Albert Einstein.
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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Registered: 12/02/05
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Quote:
Sentient#6 said:
Oh, and if you committed suicide because of little depression problems sprouted from alienation, yeah, yer a coward.
Wow, I'm wondering through which means you have established that.
Of course, it would be proof of strength if he just felt totally sad and alienated, but continued to live, without any chance of getting better. 
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Sentient#6
Servant of the Gods
Registered: 12/04/08
Posts: 376
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My views of suicide are mainly established through personal experience. Brother attempted, cousin succeeded.
Cousin hung himself because he had no friends, and his parents constantly pushed their religious views on him. He was 18, about to finally push away from his family and he hangs himself. He was a coward.
Brother tried to drive a knife through his chest and into his heart. Paranoid schizophrenic, he was abused heavily as a child, experimented with all the wrong kinds of drugs, and was raped in prison. He's still alive. He's still trying to find purpose in this realm, even though his mental dysfunctions always haunt him.
If I had godlike powers, I would bring my cousin back so he could experience real pain, and I would let my brother finally rest in peace.
If you're going to commit suicide, be damned sure you have a real reason to.
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Last night I was honored with the Nobel Prize in theoretical physics. This worldwide recognition has given me the opportunity to bring hope to a war-ravaged world. I vowed to myself I would work like a dog at this. But now, it's 10:30 in the morning and I'm just getting out of bed. I did get up earlier around 8:00am, but I just lied in bed for a while, and then...jerked off. I've got to stop masturbating, it makes me too lazy. Stop it Albert...stop it.
~Albert Einstein.
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deCypher
Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 52,515
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Quote:
Anonymous said:
People tell me all the reasons why I should not kill myself. The more I consider the things they say - the less I buy it. The general cookie cutter responses are as follows:
1.) "You'll hurt those you leave behind"
2.) "You'll go to "hell"
3.) You'll be forced to repeat this experience again
4.) It's the coward's way out
5.) Change what you don't like instead.
etc, etc, etc,
Here are my rebuttals.
1.) Death/hurt are natural parts of life. I have no friends. My mother disowned me 15 years ago, and my aunts/uncles would give two shits less. And for the record we all continue our lives regardless of death around us - so life goes on.
2.) There is no proof of this, and it's a risk I'm thinking may be worth it. If I die and go to hell then I guess they got me twice
3.) Again NO proof whatsoever.
4.) I don't see myself as a coward. I see myself who 100% does not fit in to ANY aspects of modern man. I walk around everyday in utter amazement that this is what we've come up with as humans. Frankly, I want no part of it anymore. I work a job I absolutely despise, and please do not tell me to do something else for work because I am not a slave. But oh yeah, you have to work for the almighty dollar just to get by in this fake system we've created. No thanks.
5.) There's nothing I should have to change. The brainwashed citizens of the world who blindly follow what their leaders feed them are the ones who need to change. This will not happen. I am willing to gamble that based upon how the last 20 years in my consciousness have felt that any change outside the prison of this body will be welcome.
Please save all the cliche responses. I've done this math for some time now.
More people would see the writing on the wall if they stopped and realized that nothing is real anyway.
I cannot realistically visualize myself continuing. A fake smile can only be forced for so long.
All I see is a lot of  giving reasons why you shouldn't kill yourself.
Give me some reasons why you should kill yourself.
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ToiletDuk
Cat Psychiatrist
Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 73,285
Loc: Earthfarm 1
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With family like yours, I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of seeing me dead if I were you.
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figmentfragment
leaving shroomery
Registered: 04/10/07
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I have contemplated this over and over for many years now.
Another cliche I often hear is, "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." As this is an issue I have dealt with repeatedly throughout my life, it does lead me to wonder how "temporary" this problem is.
There is nothing that anyone can say to you, to convince you. I can not tell you why you should live.
This is one of the shit parts.
You are alone in this decision. Every person is.
We may point at things, give you advice, but ultimately it is up to YOU.
Decide what is important or not important in your life as the case may be.
I always tend to acknowledge the fact that my death will occur anyway. I don't need to seek it out.
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Goodbye Shroomery.
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figmentfragment
leaving shroomery
Registered: 04/10/07
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It actually irks me when people claim that suicide is a "selfish" act. If a person is in a place of that much misery, that they terminate their own life...they were supposed to keep existing merely because you would miss them??? Who really is the selfish one?
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Goodbye Shroomery.
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EternalCowabunga
Small sassy black girl
Registered: 04/04/05
Posts: 4,753
Loc: Toronto
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It bothers me when someone says that suicide is a cowardly act. I think it takes some big balls to end your life. Especially if you are going to jump off a bridge, or get hit by a train, or set yourself on fire. These are ways to kill yourself that are painful and terrifying.
Imagine a train coming right for you, and you have the courage to just stand there and let it smash right into you, ending yourself forever.
It takes some balls to kill yourself.
It's a lot easier to just live in misery and numb yourself with drugs, TV, food, etc then to kill yourself.
Good luck with whatever you choose to do, Anonymous.
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Oh, yeah, what are you gonna do? Release the
dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their
mouth and when they bark, they shoot bees at you? -
Homer Simpson
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deCypher
Registered: 02/10/08
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Quote:
EternalCowabunga said: It takes some balls to kill yourself.
It takes more balls to stick it out in utter misery and hope for a change to the better.
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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
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Sentient#6
Servant of the Gods
Registered: 12/04/08
Posts: 376
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So when someones girlfriend leaves them, it's okay to commit suicide? When someone has family members that depend on them for financial support, it's okay to off yerself?
Sure, suicide can be a rational/understandable/humane act sometimes.
But most of the people that commit suicide, especially in America, have no real reason. Bunch of weak willed monkeys. Land of opportunity and they expect the cosmos to just hand over a perfect life. Isn't that the challenge of life? Making something out of your situation?
It doesn't take balls to commit suicide, just to weak of a will to move out of the incoming trains way.
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Last night I was honored with the Nobel Prize in theoretical physics. This worldwide recognition has given me the opportunity to bring hope to a war-ravaged world. I vowed to myself I would work like a dog at this. But now, it's 10:30 in the morning and I'm just getting out of bed. I did get up earlier around 8:00am, but I just lied in bed for a while, and then...jerked off. I've got to stop masturbating, it makes me too lazy. Stop it Albert...stop it.
~Albert Einstein.
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