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Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI]
    #9554178 - 01/05/09 08:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

from: http://www.mpp.org/states/michigan/news/public-questions-proposed.html

Michigan
Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana

Neal McNamara
January 5, 2009
City Pulse

A set of draft rules for Michigan's medical marijuana law presented at a state Department of Community Health public hearing this morning were met with intense criticism from the public, with some saying that the proposals contradict the law passed in November by voters.

For nearly three hours, members of the public - including medical marijuana users, activists and advocates - expressed concern about some draft rules, including requiring useable marijuana to be kept in a locked cabinet and requiring patients and caregivers to keep an inventory of their marijuana.

They also questioned proposed rules that would allow government officials to inspect medical marijuana patients' inventories and prohibit medical marijuana to be consumed in public view, even on private property.

"The draft rules have gone much further, and they instead seek to add onerous and unreasonable restrictions on patients," Karen O'Keefe, the author of the Michigan medical marijuana law and an attorney with the Washington-based medical marijuana advocacy group, the Marijuana Policy Project, said. "In several cases (the draft rules) contradict the language of the voter-enacted law."

O'Keefe said that the law passed by voters does not allow much interference from the Department of Community Health - except to establish a system to issue identification cards to medical marijuana patients and control the list of diseases that would make one eligible to use the substance.

Greg Zorotney, a state police representative, took issue with a department rule that would require leftover medical marijuana plants - such as when a patient dies - to be taken control of by law enforcement agencies.

"Our department doesn't want to accept medical marijuana from anybody," Zorotney said. "There should be a mandate that it be destroyed or transferred to another patient."

Desmond Mitchell, a department policy analyst, and Amy Shell, a policy manager, mediated the meeting. Mitchell said that the purpose of the public hearing was just that - to gain input on what rules might and might not work.

"We're a regulatory agency, and we look at things different than you a lot of the time," Mitchell said at the end of the meeting. "I just want to assure you that no one is pulling a fast one - your comments will help us to make the rules better."

James McCurtis, a department spokesman, said that the rules might go through "infinite" iterations before being solidified. The department has until April 4 to establish a registry and guidelines for medical marijuana use.

Michigan's medical marijuana law passed in November by a margin of 63 percent and would allow patients with diseases such as HIV/AIDS and cancer to ingest the plant.


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #9554218 - 01/05/09 08:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

from: http://blog.mpp.org/?p=269


Michigan Ponders Medical Marijuana Rules

by Bruce Mirken

MPP director of state policies Karen O’Keefe spoke this morning at a hearing convened by the Michigan Department of Community Health to consider draft regulations implementing the state’s new medical marijuana law.

The very well attended hearing took the whole morning, Karen reports, with large numbers of patients presenting constructive criticisms of rules that in some cases go beyond the authority given the department by the voter-approved initiative. Of particular concern are rules that require participants in the program to submit a written inventory of medical marijuana plants grown, and defining “use in public” (prohibited by the law) so broadly that it would ban patients from medicating in their own living room with the curtains open.

Karen’s full written comments are here.

As is probably inevitable at such an open, public forum, a few speakers veered off-topic, but very few were hostile to the law. Even the Michigan State Police gave generally constructive testimony, though one police comment having to do with a law enforcement database raises concerns about patient privacy that will require MPP to follow up.

There’s already been extensive media coverage, including early-morning radio news stories, and articles in the Detroit Free Press and Michigan Messenger. Half a dozen TV cameras were present, so we expect lots of coverage on the evening news.






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Karen's Comments:
Provisions of Michigan Department of Community Health
Draft Medical Marijuana Rules Needing Revision
Karen O’Keefe, Esq.
Marijuana Policy Project director of state policies
January 5, 2008
In collaboration with the Lansing law firm Dykema Gossett, I was the principal drafter of
Proposal 1. The new law is closely based on Rhode Island’s medical marijuana law, which that
state’s legislature overwhelmingly passed in 2006. Proposal 1 ensures appropriate safeguards
without requiring self-incrimination or making life overly difficult for the seriously ill patients
whom 63% of Michigan voters chose to allow to use medical marijuana without fearing arrest.
As is the case in the Rhode Island law, Proposal 1 gives the department a very limited
role. It allows the department of community health to create rules to set fees for medical
marijuana ID cards, procedures for processing applications, and procedures for considering
petitions to add additional debilitating conditions. Yet the draft rules have gone much farther, and
they instead seek to add onerous and unreasonable restrictions on patients. In several cases they
contradict the language of the voter-enacted law.
None of the 12 medical marijuana states require patients and caregivers to produce
inventory reports on their medical marijuana, and neither does Proposal 1. Just as patients are
allowed to keep far more dangerous medicine like OxyContin in their medicine cabinets instead
of safes, none of the medical marijuana states require usable marijuana to be kept in an enclosed,
locked location. Similarly, Proposal 1 requires plants, but not usable marijuana itself, to be grown
in an enclosed, locked location. The law also does not require inventory reports, which would be
self-incriminating because federal law does not yet permit the medical use of marijuana, except
by three individuals and short-term trials. Yet the draft rules would require both inventory reports
and that usable marijuana be kept in an enclosed, locked facility. These are two of the several
rules that need to be changed.
The law also does not charge the department with inspecting or monitoring patients, but
the draft rules do. These portions of the draft rules would make very ill patients feel like the state
views them as criminal suspects for using a medicine according to their doctors’ advice. The law
makes it clear that patients’ privacy is not to be compromised because they have permission to
use medical marijuana. It clearly states that a patient cannot be subject to inspection or search
solely for the medical use of marijuana or for having an ID card. This is how our society treats
other medicines as well. The department and law enforcement are not allowed to enter the home
of the seriously ill and search the premises based on their having a Vicodin prescription.
Voters enacted Proposal 1 as written. They were satisfied with its safeguards, which were
carefully considered and are working well in other states, like Rhode Island. The department’s
role now is to implement that law, not to rewrite it. The rules need to be modified in several areas
to avoid overburdening patients and to comply with the spirit and letter of the law voters enacted.
Below are 22 specific changes to bring the rules in line with the language and intent of the law,
and to avoid making life unnecessarily hard on the seriously ill and dying. I hope you will
carefully consider them and make each modification. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can
be of any assistance or if you have any question about the initiative’s intent.
1) Redefining Private Property as "Public"
Proposal 1 appropriately does not allow medical marijuana use "in any public place." The draft
rules, however, attempt to redefine "any public place" to include any place "visible to the public."
This would include being inside one's home by a window or on one's porch. These locations are
not "public places" and should not be considered so. This draft rule is both unreasonable and
contrary to the language of the law.
Recommended revision: Strike "'Public place' means a place open or visible to the public." [Rule
1 (17).]
2) The Opening Language of Draft Rule 3(1) Should Be Modified
The opening language of Rule 3(1) should be modified so it does not indicate that people with
debilitating conditions are required to apply for a registry ID cards, since some seriously ill
people will not use medical marijuana. In addition, the draft rule should not say that the patient
must meet the requirements of the administrative rules. The department does not have the
authority to impose additional requirements on patients.
Recommended revision, from: "A qualifying patient shall apply for a registry identification card
and, in addition to meeting the requirements of the act and the administrative rules promulgated
under the act, shall comply with all of the following: …"
To: "A qualifying patient may apply for a registry identification card by submitting the following:
…" [Rule 3(1).]
3) Strike Requirement That Physicians Practice Independently of One Another
The draft rules would require that a minor's two physicians who sign their certification practice
independently of one another. The law includes no such restriction, which would drive up costs
and time for minor patients' parents. Proposal 1 is already stricter than many of the state medical
marijuana laws by requiring minors to receive certifications from two physicians. All of the
medical marijuana states that track the number of minor patients had had zero or one according to
a 2006 survey of the state programs with registries. There is no need for this onerous restriction
on seriously or terminally ill minors, and it is counter to the language of Proposal 1.
In addition, Proposal 1 does not require that two physicians provide a certification for adults for
who granted someone else a durable power of attorney, so the draft rule should not add that
restriction.
Recommended revision, from: "… If the patient is a minor or has a representative as defined in R
333.101(19) of these rules, written certifications from 2 physicians, who practice independently
of each other, are required."
To: "… If the patient is a minor, written certifications from 2 physicians are required." [Rule 3
(1)(c).]
4) Patients Should Not Have to Submit the Names of Patients Their Caregivers Serve
The draft rules would require patients who are applying for ID cards to specify what other
patients their caregiver serves. This would require the caregiver to disclose that information to the
patient. Proposal 1 does not require this information to be submitted, and this requirement would
require a caregiver violate the privacy of his or her other patients. The department can check its
own database to see how many patients the caregiver serves. There is no need for this invasive
rule.
Recommended revision: Strike "The names of any other individuals for whom the patient's
primary caregiver also serves as a primary caregiver." [Rule 3 (1)(v).]
5) Requiring the Caregiver to Submit Criminal History Information
Draft Rule 3 (1)(a)(vii) includes a vague requirement that caregivers submit criminal history
information via the patient applicant, in addition to authorizing a background check. Only felony
drug convictions disqualify caregivers, so the vague phrase should either be stricken or be
modified to be clear that they only have to submit information if they have a felony drug
conviction.
Recommended revision: Strike "Information related to the criminal history of the qualifying
patient's primary caregiver." [Draft Rule 3 (1)(a)(vii).]
6) Specify That Copies of Identification Can Be Submitted
Draft Rule 3 (1)(b) is written as though patients and caregivers have to send the department their
original drivers licenses or other photo identification. Patients and caregivers will need their
identification. This should specify that photocopies may be submitted. In addition, minors may
not yet have any photo identification, so it should be clear that they would not need to provide
identification.
Recommended revision, from: "Submit photographic identification of both the qualifying patient
and the patient's primary caregiver, if applicable. The following shall be considered acceptable
forms of identification: …"
To: "Submit photographic identification of both the qualifying patient and the patient's primary
caregiver, if applicable, except that if the qualifying patient is a minor who does not have
photographic identification, no photographic identification is required. Photocopies of the
following shall be considered acceptable forms of identification: …" [Rule 3 (1)(b).]
7) Inventory Reports
The draft rules would require patients and caregivers to create and submit inventory reports about
their marijuana cultivation each year. The draft rule says that the patient would not be issued a
renewed card if they did not submit reports. The department does not have the authority to require
these records, nor should it. The law clearly enumerates the only reasons that a patient may be
denied a card, and failing to submit an inventory report is not one of them, because the law 63%
of voters approved does not require inventory reports. These reports would be self-incriminating
statements, documenting a violation of federal law. Proposal 1 already protects against diversion,
penalizing diversion with increased penalties and the revocation of one's medical marijuana card.
All references to inventory reports need to be stricken.
Recommended revisions: Strike all of the following:
"The applicant or primary caregiver authorized to grow plants for the renewal applicant shall
submit an inventory log regarding the plants grown during the previous year." [Rule 7 (4).]
"A registered primary caregiver shall make and maintain a complete and accurate inventory of all
usable marihuana produced and plants in the primary caregiver's possession that is authorized for
a registered qualifying patient's medical use. The registered primary caregiver shall make and
maintain a separate inventory for each qualifying patient that the primary caregiver assists with
the medical use of marihuana." [Rule 15 (3).]
"An inventory of the plants shall be maintained for the full registration year and the inventory
form shall be submitted with the renewal documentation." [Rule 29 (3.)]
"The plant inventory shall be returned with the patient registration and shall indicate the manner
in which the plants were destroyed or transferred to another qualifying patient." [Rule 29 (4).]
Also, needed changes to Rule 15 (7) are discussed below. The problematic inventory requirement
is also included in it.
8) Face-to-Face Meetings Are Unreasonable
The draft rules say that, if proof of identity is uncertain, the department may require a face-to-face
meeting. It can take more than nine hours to drive from the furthest point in Michigan to Lansing.
It would be unreasonable to require a very ill patient to travel several hours. Some people with
debilitating illnesses cannot tolerate any long trips. In addition, the draft rule does not create a
clear standard for when the department might require this burdensome trip. It is already clear
from Rule 3 (1)(b) that the ID card will only be issued with a valid form of identification.
Recommended revision: Strike "If proof of identity is uncertain, the department may require a
face-to-face meeting with an applicant and may require the production of additional identification
materials." [Rule 9 (a).]
9) The Department Needn't Contact Federal Programs
The draft rules helpfully provided for a discounted rate of $25 for beneficiaries of Medicaid or
Social Security Income. But because marijuana is not yet legal under federal law, patients have
legitimate privacy concerns about the department contacting a federal agency to verify their
eligibility. Some may reasonably fear their benefits could be cut off as a result. The MDCH
should instead rely on information submitted by the patient to confirm eligibility, as Rhode
Island's administrators do. If the department had a reasonable basis to doubt the documents, it
could ask the patient whether the patient preferred to pay a higher fee or for the department to
verify that he or she is a beneficiary.
Recommended revision: Strike "Contacting the department of human services or the social
security administration to verify a qualifying patient's eligibility for the Medicaid health plan or
Social Security Income benefits." [Rule 9 (f).]
10) Certification Language Should Track the Statute
The draft rule that discusses what the applicant patient must submit does not track the statutory
language and suggests the department may require something other than what the law requires,
which is a physician's written certification.
Recommended revision, from: "The applicant did not provide the information required under R
333.103 and R 333.105 to establish the qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition and to
document the qualifying patient's consultation with 1 or more physicians regarding the
therapeutic or palliative benefits from the medical use of marihuana."
To: "The applicant did not provide a document signed by a physician, stating the patient's
debilitating medical condition and stating that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient
is likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or
alleviate the patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating
medical condition." [Rule 13 (5)(a).]
11) The Language About Denying Applications Should Be Modified
The draft rules provide that an applicant can be denied a card if an applicant has willfully violated
the act or rules. However, the draft rules impose unreasonable requirements that the law does not,
such as the inventory requirement. The draft rule would allow the department too much discretion
to deny an application. Instead, an application should be denied only if the patient's card has been
revoked for a proven violation of the law.
Recommended revision, from: "An applicant has willfully violated the provisions of the act or
these rules."
To: "An applicant has had his or her previous registry identification card revoked for willfully
violating the provisions of the act." [Rule 13 (5)(c).]
12) The Reference to Inspections Must Be Stricken
One of the draft rules seems to envision the MDCH conducting inspections. This is in direct and
flagrant contradiction to the law voters passed. The law specifies, "Possession of, or application
for, a registry identification card shall not constitute probable cause or reasonable suspicion, nor
shall it be used to support the search of the person or property of the person possessing or
applying for the registry identification card, or otherwise subject the person or property of the
person to inspection by any local, county or state governmental agency." The draft rules'
inspection language needs to be stricken. This law makes the limited cultivation of marijuana
lawful under state law, and it is not a basis for treating the very ill like criminal suspects.
Recommended revision, from: "Authorized employees of the department as necessary to perform
official duties of the department, including the production of any reports of non-identifying
aggregate data or statistics, investigations or inspections of enclosed, locked facilities."
To: "Authorized employees of the department as necessary to perform official duties of the
department, including the production of any reports of non-identifying aggregate data or
statistics." [Rule 21 (a).]
13) Changing the Rule About Leftover Marijuana
The MDCH's draft rules suggest that a caregiver give any marijuana left over after one patient is
no longer qualified or dies to other patients he or she assists, which is reasonable. However, other
aspects of this draft rule are not. It would require the caregiver to provide an inventory to the
department, which is problematic for reasons discussed above, and, if the caregiver did not assist
any other patients, he or she would be required to hand over the marijuana to law enforcement.
Proposal 1 does not have any such provision. Sadly, state and local law enforcement in some
cases have collaborated with federal authorities to raid patients or caregivers. It is unreasonable to
require a cardholder to turn over marijuana, which is possessed in violation of federal law, to
police. These provisions should be stricken or modified to simply say that the caregiver or patient
may provide the marijuana to another registered patient, may destroy it, or may hand it over to
law enforcement for destruction. It should also give a set and reasonable timeframe that allows
for time to give the marijuana to the caregiver's other patients who may live some distance away
or to get back in town if the caregiver is traveling.
Recommended revision: Strike Rule 15 (6) and (7).
Replace with: "(6) If a registered qualifying patient dies or is no longer deemed a qualified
patient, a registered primary caregiver may transfer all marihuana produced for the former patient
to other patients who are currently registered to that primary caregiver, as long as the total
amount of marihuana per patient is within the requirements established in R 333.127 of these
rules.
(7) Except as provided in subrule (6) of this rule, if a registered qualifying patient dies or is no
longer deemed a qualified patient, a registered primary caregiver must, within 14 days of
learning that the patient has died or is no longer deemed a qualified patient either destroy all
marihuana produced for that patient or turn it over to law enforcement for destruction."
[Rule 15 (6) and (7)]"
14) Remove Requirement to Notify the Department of a Changed Telephone Number
Neither Proposal 1 nor the part of the draft rule listing what application materials a patient must
submit include the patient's telephone number. Since there is no requirement that they submit a
telephone number, it is not reasonable to require cardholders to notify the department of a
changed number.
Recommended revision: Strike "The registered qualifying patient's telephone number." [Rule 19
(1)(c).]
15) Make Enclosed, Locked Facility Language Conform With the Law
Some of the draft rules say patients must keep their marijuana – not just plants – in an enclosed,
locked facility. This contradicts the plain language and intent of the law. Proposal 1 requires
patients to keep their marijuana plants in enclosed, locked facilities that only a patient and
caregiver can access. However, the law allows people other than designated caregivers to assist
patients with administering marijuana. This is necessary because many terminal patients and
severely disabled individuals need round-the-clock care, which necessitates more than one aide or
the assistance of more than one loved one. Many patients will be physically incapable of
administering marijuana on their own. Naturally, the aides would not be able to administer the
marijuana if it was in an enclosed, locked facility that the aides were not allowed to access. This
language should revert to the language in the law.
Recommended revision, from: "… The patient shall ensure that the marihuana in his or her
possession is kept in an enclosed, locked facility."
To: "… The patient shall ensure that the marihuana plants in his or her possession are kept in an
enclosed, locked facility." [Rule 27(1).]
Rule 23 (2)(g) should be stricken for other reasons. It would also wrongly require marijuana to be
in an enclosed, locked facility.
16) The Certification Language Should Track the Law
Proposal 1 says the department "shall issue" an identification card to patients who submit their
application with their address, a written certification, and a fee, and that an application can only
be denied if the information is falsified or incomplete. To qualify, a physician must be a DO or
MD who is licensed to prescribe drugs. Yet, the draft rules do not track the law, and instead of
requiring a physician only to be licensed, require he or she be "in good standing with the
department." Also, the draft rule says that the department may examine an original patient record
if the doctor does not meet the definition of a physician. But the definition of a physician is a
licensed MD or DO. So the patient record would presumably be irrelevant to determining the
licensure status. Under the draft rules, the department would also deny patients' applications if the
patient does not allow his or her medical records to be examined if the physician "does not meet
the definition" of physician. The draft rule would allow the department to take things into
consideration when granting or denying the application that the law does not, such as complaints
by health care providers about the doctor. If the physician is unfit to practice medicine, the proper
venue where that would be addressed is physician licensing, not reviewing the validity of a
written certification.
Recommended revisions: Strike all of the following:
Rule 23 (3) and (4)
Rule 1 (24): "in good standing with the department"
Rule 3 (1) (c): "in good standing with the department"
Rule 7 (2): "is in good standing with the department"
Rule 9 (d): "and is in good standing with the department"
17) The Language on Law Enforcement and Confidentiality Must Track the Statue
The draft rules' language on verifying cardholders' status to law enforcement indicates that the
department might be planning to violate the confidentiality requirements of the act by stating that
a person is a registered patient in response to an inquiry about that person, rather than only
verifying an ID card after law enforcement has called in the random number on the ID card to
verify it. The distinction is important. Allowing a police officer to ask if a person is registered
based on the vague standard of a "bona fide reason" would allow fishing expeditions, which the
act does not allow. In addition, the draft rule says the department can confirm to law enforcement
that a caregiver only serves five people. There is no need for the department to verify that a
caregiver serves no more than five patients because the department would not issue a card for the
caregiver to assist a sixth patient.
Recommended revision, from: "Authorized employees of state or local law enforcement agencies
when they provide a specific name or address and a bona fide reason for the inquiry. Information
will be supplied only as necessary to verify any of the following:
"(i) That a person is or was a lawful possessor of a registry identification card.
"(ii) That a registered primary caregiver is not assisting more than 5 qualifying patients."
To: "(b) Authorized employees of state or local law enforcement agencies only to verify the
validity of a registry identification card that the law enforcement agency has been presented with,
as demonstrated by the reading of the card's registry identification number." [Rule 21 (b).]
18) A Person Can Only Authorize the Release of Information About Himself or Herself
The draft rules prudently specify that information about cardholders can only be released
pursuant to a signed release. However, as it is written, a person could authorize the release of
information about someone who does not want that information released. For example, a patient
could authorize the release of information about his or her caregiver. This needs to be modified.
Recommended revision, from: "Other persons upon receipt of a properly executed release of
information signed by a registered qualifying patient, a qualifying patient's parent or legal
guardian, a qualifying patient's registered primary caregiver, or a registered qualifying patient's
representative. The release of information shall specify what information the department is
authorized to release and to whom."
To: "Other persons upon receipt of a properly executed release of information signed by a
registered qualifying patient, a qualifying patient's parent or legal guardian, a qualifying patient's
registered primary caregiver, or a registered qualifying patient's representative. The release of
information shall specify what information the department is authorized to release and to whom.
No release of information may allow the disclosure of information about any person except the
person signing the release, except that a legal guardian may authorize the release of information
about a minor patient." [Rule 21 (2 (c).]
19) Remove Monitoring and Inspection Role
Proposal 1 does not create an investigatory role for the MDCH. Nor does it permit inspections.
Yet the draft rules envision monitoring by the MDCH that is not provided for in the act. This
draft rule would also have the MDCH notify law enforcement of things like a failure of a patient
to return registry ID cards within 14 days. The law doesn't say that cardholders need to return ID
cards, though, and there's no reason to require this since the department can just have the database
note that the number is no longer associated with a valid card. The draft rule would also have the
department notify law enforcement of a failure to keep marijuana in an enclosed, locked facility.
The department would have no reason to know if marijuana is kept in an enclosed facility, and
only plants are even required to be kept in enclosed, locked facilities. The department is not
responsible for law enforcement functions, and the only aspect that should remain is notifying the
department of falsified applications, which the law specifies the department may do, and which is
information that the MDCH would have reason to encounter.
Suggested revision: Strike current text for Rule 23 (1-5).
Insert: "(1) Pursuant to the act, the department may contact a qualifying patient, primary
caregiver, or a qualifying patient's certifying physician to verify an application.
"(2) Subject to subrule (1) of this rule, the department shall, when it has reason to believe a false
information has been submitted during the registration or registration renewal process, conduct an
investigation, and, if the information was falsified, refer the matter to law enforcement." [Rule 23
(1-5).]
20) The Language About Drug Convictions Must Track the Statute
The draft rules conflict with Proposal 1 by disqualifying patients and caregivers for convictions
that do not disqualify them under the act. The draft rule would disqualify patients and caregivers
for any drug conviction, which would even include a federal marijuana conviction for acts
allowed under state law! Proposal 1 does not disqualify patients for any unrelated drug
conviction, and caregivers are only disqualified for drug felonies. A violation of the medical
marijuana law, such as selling marijuana to a non-patient, could also result in a revocation, but
the department does not have the authority to rewrite the law to exclude bona fide seriously ill
patients based on unrelated convictions.
Recommended revision, from: "Conviction of a misdemeanor or felony offense involving the
manufacture, illegal delivery, or possession of a controlled substance."
To: "If the cardholder is a caregiver, conviction of a felony offense involving the manufacture,
illegal delivery, or possession of a controlled substance." [Rule 25 (1)(c).]
Recommended revision: Strike Rule 25 (1)(d).
Rule 23 (2)(e) also includes this problematic language. Additional problems with that rule are
discussed further down in this memo.
21) The Revocation Portion Needs to Be Revised
Rule 25 provides that a card may be revoked for violations of Proposal 1. But most of the grounds
for revocation don't say who will determine if the act was violated or based on what evidence.
The grounds for revocation should only be grounds if a court of law has determined the act was
violated in those ways.
Recommended revision, from: "Undertaking any task under the influence of marihuana, when
doing so would constitute negligence or professional malpractice."
To: "Loss of a civil lawsuit for undertaking any task under the influence of marihuana, when
doing so would constitute negligence or professional malpractice." [Rule 25 (1)(e).]
Recommended revision, from: "Smoking marihuana on public transportation or in a public
place."
To: "A criminal conviction for smoking marihuana on public transportation or in a public place."
[Rule 25 (1)(g).]
22) Caregivers and Patients Must Not Be Required to Disclose Their Grow Location
Proposal 1, like most medical marijuana laws, did not require patients to register a grow site, nor
did it provide cards for grow sites. It is not reasonable for rules to require a patient or caregiver to
disclose the location where they would cultivate. It is not entirely clear from the draft rules that
the location would have to be disclosed, but it suggests it would. References to a grow site and
card must be stricken. Instead, patients wishing to have documentation by their plants can
photocopy their ID card and keep it with their marijuana plants.
Recommended revision: Strike all references to grow locations, in Rule 29, Rule 11 (3), and Rule
13 (4)




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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #9554232 - 01/05/09 08:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

from: http://michiganmessenger.com/11106/lansing-hearing-on-medical-marijuana-restricts-testimony




Lansing hearing on medical marijuana restricts testimony
By Staff Report 1/5/09 11:11 AM

Michigan Messenger’s Todd Heywood is attending the Medical Marijuana proposed rules hearing this morning in Lansing at the Michigan State Secondary Complex. About 200 people are in attendance.

Approximately forty-five minutes into the hearing, the state employees conducting the hearing directed persons offering testimony about rules not to provide any comments that might duplicate concerns expressed by other attendees; a ten-minute time limit per comment had been established as the meeting began. As a public hearing conducted by a state agency, the meeting should be conducted following Michigan’s Open Meetings Act; the time limit is normal during public hearings on controversial topics, but the direction limiting the content of comments appears to violate the Open Meetings Act.

Attorney Dennis Hayes, a representative of medical marijuana patients, was cut off while providing testimony, apparently because his comments duplicated concerns expressed by other attendees.

The two staff members from Michigan Department of Community Health’s Bureau of Health Professions hearing testimony this morning were not introduced nor were their names provided in the hearing notice.

During the hearing’s first hour, attendees expressed concerns about:

    * creating inventory lists that could be used improperly by authorities;
    * rules that were seen as too intrusive into personal lives of patients;
    * poor coordination between state and federal laws could put patients at risk of prosecution under federal laws, threatening their Social Security payments since drug charges disqualify recipients for support.

A Michigan State trooper has been stationed in the hallway for the proceedings; Heywood observes that the crowd appears to be one of the tamest he’s seen.

Apparently cancer patients who need medical marijuana aren’t as violent as some might think.

We’ll have more on this hearing later today at Michigan Messenger.


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #9555429 - 01/06/09 12:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

why dont they just give up and let it be?


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: OrgasmicBanana]
    #9555541 - 01/06/09 12:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

they feel a need to put their dick in my ass.


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: rodfarva]
    #9556180 - 01/06/09 05:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

its just so tight its hard to resist :naughty:


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #9557249 - 01/06/09 10:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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7) Inventory Reports
The draft rules would require patients and caregivers to create and submit inventory reports about
their marijuana cultivation each year.




this rule bothers me because it asks patients to openly submit data about themselves which would violate their 5th amendment rights and so it is unconstitutional. 

We cannot expect patients to do this openly until the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FORMALLY ACKNOWLEDGES PATIENTS RIGHTS!!  Not to mention the issue of non-disclosure as it applies to patients in medical care.  I mean really... how stupid to they really think we are?
nevertheless-- this is a step in the proper direction and I am glad
Do you think asking a patient to openly disclose the nature of their pot grow directly violates the 5th Constitutional Amendment considering the Federal view of Marijuana use???
You may choose only one
Yes, I see how that could be risky for the patient and IT VIOLATES THEIR RIGHTS
No, regulation of marijuana is an important step towards legalization regardless of the Constituional rights it violates


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: travelleler]
    #9557442 - 01/06/09 11:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

invalid poll where is sir tokes a lot?


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #9557495 - 01/06/09 11:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sorry, what's invalid about it???

I've never made a poll before but this time I saw the little button for the "create a poll" and just did it...  why is it invalid? 

it relates directly to the topic in the OP-- 

should or shouldn't patients be required to openly submit hard data regardeing their personal marijuana grow--  constitutional or not?  TO me it looks like a rights violation, otherwise I wouldn't have said anything because MJ should be openly traded in society just like Alcohol.


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Re: Public Questions Proposed Rules on Medical Marijuana [MI] [Re: travelleler]
    #9560322 - 01/06/09 07:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

don't worry about it...  search sir tokes a lot


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