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 deCypher
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 My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... 
#9555523 - 01/06/09 03:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If spirits, vibes, energy, and magic all exist in some form or another, then why hasn't one wise soul in our excruciatingly long history figured out a way to gain immortality yet?
...or are those selfish bastards just keeping it to themselves?
......or did Jesus and other supposed immortal avatars already fuck up the celestial paradigm for us?
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Silversoul
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 Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9555647 - 01/06/09 04:34 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
If spirits, vibes, energy, and magic all exist in some form or another, then why hasn't one wise soul in our excruciatingly long history figured out a way to gain immortality yet?
Huh? I don't follow. You seem to be asking how, if something exists, why such an ability does not extend to omnipotence. Your question, it seems to me, is equivalent to asking how, if people can jump, why they can't fly. Why must magic be limitless in order to be real? I see people fall into this fallacy regarding psychic phenomena as well. There has been some research which supports the hypothesis that people experience a slight psi effect(some more than others), but debunkers challenge it based on the assumption that if people were really psychic they should be able to win the lottery every time. If such things are real, we must recognize that they must have their limits just like everything else we observe.
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 ivander
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: Silversoul]
#9555879 - 01/06/09 05:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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man... even if someone was able to achieve immortality, he would definitely be selfish enough to not share it's secret with anyone... imagine your self become immortal... would you go around and brag about...
anyway, even if immortality is possible, i think it is pointless, at least in this human world...
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MisterMuscaria
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9555886 - 01/06/09 05:45 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can be immortal, just not here.
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jivJaN
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9556364 - 01/06/09 09:28 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
If spirits, vibes, energy, and magic all exist in some form or another, then why hasn't one wise soul in our excruciatingly long history figured out a way to gain immortality yet?
...or are those selfish bastards just keeping it to themselves?
......or did Jesus and other supposed immortal avatars already fuck up the celestial paradigm for us?
The spirit is immortal.
You are ... immortal.
The body is a vehicle.. and there is a time when it can no longer be of service , but our consciousness remains.
You used Jesus for example , and he was not immortal in the sense i feel you have understood.
He was a late 5th density wanderer .. that incarnated on this planet to spread his message. He penetrated the forgetting process at a very young age and proceeded to regain his abilities as a "lightworker" . This is why he could heal for example.
On this planetary sphere.. once the spirit is incarnate in a "new" body/vehicle it feels as if this were the only life it ever had. This is why it is somewhat helpful to penetrate the forgetting process. But not always.
All depends what tasks or lessons you/your higher self has arranged for this incarnation.
In the bigger picture.. in densities higher than our current one .. life is elongated , and forgetting does not happen with new incarnations unless they are to be on a planetary sphere of 3rd density.
On the other hand.. there are beings that have genetically modified themselves to be physically immortal as well.
But that is a different story i dont know too much about.
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They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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eve69
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9556432 - 01/06/09 10:00 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
If spirits, vibes, energy, and magic all exist in some form or another, then why hasn't one wise soul in our excruciatingly long history figured out a way to gain immortality yet?
...or are those selfish bastards just keeping it to themselves?
......or did Jesus and other supposed immortal avatars already fuck up the celestial paradigm for us?
Paul Bocuse is unlikely to take on trainees from McDonald's.
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deCypher
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: eve69]
#9556454 - 01/06/09 10:08 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
Huh? I don't follow. You seem to be asking how, if something exists, why such an ability does not extend to omnipotence. Your question, it seems to me, is equivalent to asking how, if people can jump, why they can't fly. Why must magic be limitless in order to be real? I see people fall into this fallacy regarding psychic phenomena as well. There has been some research which supports the hypothesis that people experience a slight psi effect(some more than others), but debunkers challenge it based on the assumption that if people were really psychic they should be able to win the lottery every time. If such things are real, we must recognize that they must have their limits just like everything else we observe.
But this implies either that magical/psychic pursuits are inherently a stagnant field and that no further innovation is possible, or that humans simply haven't pressed the boundaries far enough yet. Why is science seemingly unlimited while mysticism is not, particularly when the latter carries far more untapped potential? Besides, immortality is a far cry from omnipotence... even a modest extension of lifetime through spiritual means would be a bonus.
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MisterMuscaria said:
You can be immortal, just not here.
That rather defeats the point of immortality, don't you think?
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eve69 said:
Paul Bocuse is unlikely to take on trainees from McDonald's.
How best to go about persuading Bocuse then? Does one cook up a simmering fillet mignon and hope to attract some attention?
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Edited by deCypher (01/06/09 10:34 AM)
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9556794 - 01/06/09 11:45 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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From what I've learned about the immortality of the soul or entity, physically immortality would be truely hell. Although using the world "immortality" is tricky, because you never really die. In physical terms, your vehicle or body dies, yet your consciousness is actually expanded after death. One lifetime is more than enough of a learning experience for me.
The astral realm is where consciousness is transferred to after death. I recommend this exploration, for it can only be proved from subjective experience.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
    
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Jack Albertson
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9556926 - 01/06/09 12:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is science seemingly unlimited while mysticism is not?
Mysticism has no limits. That's what's wrong with man and its spawn, science, man's need to place limitation has spread to a field that should not be limited or controlled. Mysticism has been around since the dawn of man, science has not and will not be around forever.
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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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deCypher
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: Jack Albertson]
#9556929 - 01/06/09 12:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jack Albertson said: Mysticism has been around since the dawn of man, science has not and will not be around forever.
I prefer to think that the two will blend into something utterly spectacular.
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Jack Albertson
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9556954 - 01/06/09 12:21 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Me too, but i also believe that it will have deeper roots in mysticism and spirituality with scientific annotations.
like a 60/40 blend.
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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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JacquesCousteau
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9556972 - 01/06/09 12:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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MisterMuscaria said:
You can be immortal, just not here.
That rather defeats the point of immortality, don't you think?
Actually, I disagree completely. 
You're choosing to define immortality as infinite time on this plane. To me, it seems like the "on this plane" part is an unnecessary restriction you're placing based on your own beliefs regarding the possibility of post-departure consciousness.
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deCypher
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: JacquesCousteau]
#9556992 - 01/06/09 12:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps, but it seems like most views of post-departure consciousness involve a loss of that crucial individuality that makes 'me' me. Naturally, this is rather undesirable (of course, this is also my ego talking in a frantic bid against its inevitable demise).
Besides, I can't wholly dismiss the strong correlation between physical neural substrate and subjective personality/awareness. Any form of consciousness that goes on after the destruction of my brain would be so vastly different from my current, neurologically driven one that I feel no point in pursuing it.
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JacquesCousteau
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Re: My question for all you mystically or magically inclined... [Re: deCypher]
#9557040 - 01/06/09 12:40 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Firstly, just because one realizes they are the ego does not mean that they cannot expand their awareness. The ego is a funny thing, because it believes it is "it" and yet when it goes away, "you" are still there being a "bigger it" because the ego was actually a sub-section mistaking itself for the whole. This doesn't change the fact that you are actually the whole just as much as you are the mistaken sub-portion. Realizing this is the key to transcension of ego-fear and leads to a state of being that can accept the concept of after-death consciousness.
The key is to realize that you are inherently consciousness, and not the definitions that make up the ego.
The key being that YOU are inherently consciousness. You are not the ego. Believing you are is false identification with a sub-sect of the whole, which is your true nature. (pure consciousness.)
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Second, the non-physical neural net is very similar, because the physical neural net is based upon the exact same patterning. It's just nature, either way.
Physicality is like a 'condensation' of the spiritual realm, which is like a "field of potential" out of which physical reality is deduced and decided through our interaction with the field of intent on a higher level. (Of which we are not always aware.)
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Time is not really linear, we just perceive it to be. What happens "after" death does not come linearly "after death." Instead, it's more something that has always existed and will always exist. We simply return to this less tangible state of consciousness that has no physical evidence.
(All of the above is just my opinion, based on my subjective inner experiences.)
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