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 contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's 
#9549317 - 01/05/09 02:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thinking about death gives most people bad anxiety, as does dwelling on the destruction humans have wreaked on the earth
i think instead of everybody looking to religion as a false comfort i believe they should use benzos as a tool for encouragment to go on with life without that awful shroud over your head
i no terminal ill patients use mdma to come to terms with their fate
but i think benzo's are en excellent tool for this stuff as well
also i think taking half a bar of xanax during an 8th mushrooms trip would be very useful
i hear beno's are the antipsychedliK but i also hear it takes the edge off
so im not totally sure whether it would be a good use for killing the potential of a bad trip
or just a waste of two dr00gz
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 Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9549391 - 01/05/09 03:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with you that benzos should be available for everyone. However, I would advise against combining them with shrooms or any other kind of psychedelic for that matter, as they significantly reduce the effects.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: it stars saddam]
#9549437 - 01/05/09 03:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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so do they reduce all of its effects
i thought maybe it could just reduce the mindfuck and possibly enhance the body high
and hopefully not effect the visuals
was that just high hopes
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9549511 - 01/05/09 04:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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You will probably still feel some effects from the shrooms, but as I said, they will be significantly reduced. This is why a lot of people carry benzos with them while they're tripping. If you start to freak out, you can take a few and it practically aborts the trip. I myself have never had to resort to these measures but I know many who have.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: it stars saddam]
#9549516 - 01/05/09 04:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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what if you dosed the shrooms a couple hours after the benzo
wouldnt that still make you trip pretty good and feel really relaxed?
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9549549 - 01/05/09 04:43 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose it's possible. Hell, you could possibly take benzos with shrooms and still trip your face off. All I'm saying is that it will reduce the effects to some degree.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: it stars saddam]
#9549580 - 01/05/09 04:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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in other words a waste.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9549658 - 01/05/09 05:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, there will be little to no effect on your tripping. If you're prone to wild anxiety that really fucks with your come-up then benzos may help with the trip.
I've taken ativan during a trip and it was pretty cool, I like the fear though and the initial anxiety. The benzos are best if you want to crash out sooner than normal but the bulk and most powerful part of my trips weren't affected.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: 5HTSynaptrip]
#9549707 - 01/05/09 05:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we're talking about healing, and going with the assumption that they both can be used for healing, my opinion is that I agree with you, but I say it's a waste in combination.
Most simply, I look at psychedelics as the opposite of benzos. Psychedelics make the world more intense, more in your face, and if you have problems they make you face it. It can be terrifying or mildly annoying depending on the severity of them. In my experience I never fix the problems, psychedelics just help me by reminding me that there's no such things as problems and this idea resonates in my head for days, weeks, sometimes months until it eventually fades and all that is left is a faint echo of it that I don't even notice until I again trip and realize that echo has been there all along. There is normally an instant where I'll realize problems do not exist and after that instant I only know that problems are not real, I no long fully understand why. There is then doubt and understanding, and they fight. Doubt slowly increases exponentially until it overtake understanding. Once I can no longer hear understanding I too stop doubting, but then I'm back where I started, and again I have problems.
Benzos can be used to numb yourself to the problems. They are no better at making them go away than psychedelics, but they make you not care about them. You are not scared, anxious, or any negative emotions because you distance yourself from the problem instead of facing it as you would with psychedelics. Because of this you forget about the problem. This helps you focus more on other things, but the problem is still there just as it always is so it will eat at your subconcious causing everything else to be less enjoyable.
Neither really heal, they just shift the problem from your concious to your subconcious. This happens naturally without, they just speed up the cycles and perhaps push them farther in either direction than likely would happen otherwise, at least in the same time period.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: krypto2000]
#9549752 - 01/05/09 06:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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the opposite of benzo's you say 
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9549786 - 01/05/09 06:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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the opposite of benzo's you say
Quite frankly, yes. Psychedelics can give you a new outlook on life. Benzos just numb your mind and make you less aware of what's going on. As far as terminally ill patients, I think they should just give them TONS of opiates the whole time to keep them euphoric as hell until they pass away. Sounds like a better idea to me, anyway. 
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: AloneInKyoto27]
#9550053 - 01/05/09 08:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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they do do, lots o morphine
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9550099 - 01/05/09 08:27 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A trip is a whole spectrum of effects (grandiose thoughts, HD vision, visuals, body consciousness, body stimulation, etc.) Benzos have a general calming effect on the body and mind. But to say that benzos simply cancel out the trip is to oversimplify things. Taking an eighth of mushrooms and 1mg Xanax is NOT the same thing as simply taking a 16th of mushrooms with no xanax.
One of my best LSD trips went like this: I took a 2mg Xanax, followed by a 5 strip of average quality acid about an hour later. This was a very visual trip; because a lot of the emotional intensity of the trip was drowned out by the xanax, I was able to really focus on and get lost in the trails and depth of the art on the walls. It was more like mescaline that time, where I was calm enough to just look through a book of pictures (normally on acid I'm way too jacked up / ADD to sit calmly and just look). Also, the negative aspects of the body high (clenching / rippling muscle tension) were almost completely absent, while the positive side (feeling your muscles working as you dance, appreciating your breath, the air on your skin as you wave your arms around) was left intact.
Interestingly enough, the mind trip was there in spades. I cleaned out my room, created a whole music recording set-up, planned out my upcoming semester, thought about the fate of the world and my place in it, etc.
So there is definitely something to tripping with a benzo. It's not just a countermeasure, in my opinion. Still, I think as a rule the 'negative' side effects of most trips are important signals from the subconscious--to make a habit of dulling those signals with sedatives is to shield yourself from potentially valuable information. So ideally one should examine their reasons for tripping (personal insight, pure recreation, or both?) and mix their elixir accordingly.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Noviseer]
#9550124 - 01/05/09 08:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow excellent, thanks for your sentiments
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Noviseer]
#9550142 - 01/05/09 08:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well put man.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9550143 - 01/05/09 08:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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i think instead of everybody looking to religion as a false comfort i believe they should use benzos as a tool for encouragment to go on with life without that awful shroud over your head
Is this some sort of Benzo religion?
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: mushroom people]
#9550148 - 01/05/09 08:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would say it sure sounds like it.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: krypto2000]
#9550203 - 01/05/09 08:58 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tend to like the fast come up on large doses, but sometimes I get freaked out and take a benzo. I really think it changes the total outcome of the trip for me. I try to just use them to get to sleep.
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: mushroom people]
#9550222 - 01/05/09 09:01 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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 BenZo
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Re: contemplating the invevitable demise on benzo's [Re: Coaster]
#9550318 - 01/05/09 09:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Coaster said:
BenZo
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