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Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI]
    #9535054 - 01/02/09 09:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana
January 2, 2009 - mlive.com

GRAND RAPIDS -- George Wagoner does not smoke marijuana, but he has seen firsthand the benefits it offered his late wife while she battled ovarian cancer.

While he cannot attend Monday's public hearing in Lansing on the proposed rules for those receiving medical marijuana, the 74-year-old retired obstetrician from Manistee wants state officials to know how important it is to make it available as a medicine.

"It's reasonable to have rules and, if we are a compassionate society, we should have a mechanism where legitimate producers can provide the medicine to those who need it," said Wagoner from his Florida home.

The Michigan Department of Community Health will hold a hearing at 9 a.m. Monday on the rules to carry out the medical marijuana proposal that was passed by voters in November. The rules take effect April 9.

A group of Lansing-area patients is expected to attend the hearing to argue the draft rules impose restrictions on medical marijuana users that exceed the department's authority, said Karen O'Keefe, director of state policies for the Marijuana Policy Project.

"Among the rules considered problematic are requirements that patients or caregivers submit written inventory reports of medical marijuana they grow, that all medical marijuana -- not just plants -- be kept in an enclosed, locked facility, and a definition of public use that would make it illegal for patients to use medical marijuana in their own homes with the curtains open," O'Keefe said.

Wagoner said marijuana gave his wife -- who died in 2007 -- some relief from the violent nausea resulting from her chemotherapy.

"This is just an effective medicine, and we need to stop harassing people who will benefit from it," he said.

PUBLIC HEARING
Comment is invited by the Michigan Department of Community Health on rules regarding medical marijuana.
When: 9 a.m. Monday
Where: State's Secondary Complex, General Office Building, 7150 Harris Drive, Conference Room A, in Lansing


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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: veggie]
    #9535697 - 01/02/09 11:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hell, people appose strict rules on ganja anyway.......it has a lot of medicating affects and sometimes not so good ones (bad anxiety and the like)........but really, man; people can handle it but can't stand for this bullshit..........get over it Uncle Sam, really; what makes your policy so sound for everyone.......don't get high if you don't want to......ya can say no!


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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9536658 - 01/03/09 07:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I still really don't understand why the government and law makers are freaking out about an herb that helps with debilitating illnesses...I mean, nostradamus smoked nutmeg. That's legal, but terribly disgusting. Why are we restricting marijuana so much? As if a cancer patients life doesn't already suck, now we have to impose extremely iffy rules upon them to use a medicine that is largely beneficial? What is the world coming to? Oh, that's right, its essentially going to shit. I almost forgot.

Let these patients have as much marijuana as they need, don't make it hard for them to get or too expensive, and sure as hell don't have law enforcement on their ass. I honestly doubt a terminally ill cancer patient is going to illegally sell their own medicine to people who don't have the right to use it, much less even need it. That's just ridiculous. And even if they were to supply it to someone else, that's not something we need to be extrrmely concerned about. I can name of a thousand things law enforcement should be more focused on, and I am positive that these more pressing affairs occur more often than an illegal sale of medical marijuana.

Ill list some eight now. Burglary, rape, murder, petty theft, theft, armed robbery, extortion, embezzlement, shoplifting, drunk driving, harrassment, manslaughter, homicide, hit and run, grand theft auto, squatting, perjury, weapons smuggling, sale of illegal weapons, road rage, verbal threats, child abuse, abduction, domestic violence, vandalism of public and private properties, trespassing, carrying a gun without a license, corrupt police work, entrapment, etc, etc. That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but I am sure that all these more serious crimes, when added up, probably happen once a minute at the very least just in the state of Michigan. So how about we focus on those? And then we just might have a better society because of it, not something that is frowned upon by even the president of the united states. Seriously....let's get our priorities straight.


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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9536741 - 01/03/09 07:33 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

We won a battle, not the War

This fight is going to be uphill for at least another year. But all will come in due time.


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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9536748 - 01/03/09 07:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I will hopefully be at the hearing, i'm supposed to be going with a local group in support of the new law.

if you haven't already please take the time to write Mr. desmond mitchell at the MDCH.

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from MPP.org MI: Draft medical marijuana rules need to be revised

On December 5, the Michigan Department of Community Health (MDCH) issued draft rules for Michigan's new medical marijuana law, Proposal 1. The draft rules go much further than the department's role under Proposal 1 and in several areas conflict with it. The MDCH has a comment period, and based on the comments will consider revising the rules. We need your help to make sure they do.

Please take the time to write and submit a comment urging the MDCH to bring the rules in line with the law. Be sure to be respectful and polite in your letters, which are due by 5:00 p.m. on January 9.

Proposal 1 tasked the MDCH with issuing state registry ID cards to qualifying patients, which will protect them from arrest. It gave the MDCH authority to issue rules about processing applications, adding additional qualifying conditions, and setting fees. But these draft rules go much further and seek to rewrite new and unreasonable requirements into the voter-enacted law. Here are some of the provisions of the draft rules that conflict with Proposal 1 and need to be revised:

    * The draft rules would require patients and caregivers to submit inventory reports on their marijuana cultivation each year. The law does not require any such records, and the department does not have the authority to require them. Inventory reports would be self-incriminating since they would document violations of federal law.
    * The draft rules indicate that all marijuana must be kept in an enclosed locked facility, when the law only requires that marijuana plants be stored in an enclosed, locked facility. There is no similar restriction for potentially deadly medications like prescription morphine, oxycontin, or methamphetamine.
    * The draft rules provide for monitoring, inspections, and reporting by the department that is not provided for in the act.
    * The draft rules seek to define a "public place" where marijuana cannot be used to include anywhere "visible to the public." This could include a front porch or the inside of a patient's house, if the patient is near the window.
    * Click here for a longer list of draft rules that need revision.

The MDCH will also be holding a public hearing on January 5 at 9:00 a.m. in Lansing. Please let me know at Karen@mpp.org if you are interested and able to attend. It is particularly important that qualifying patients, doctors, and attorneys speak out at the hearing. If you are able to attend, please remember to be respectful and polite and to dress appropriately for a government hearing.

Thank you for supporting the Marijuana Policy Project. Please pass this message on to other supporters of Proposal 1 so we can ensure that the law is implemented faithfully.





you can take the tijme to write mr. mitchell here...

here is a copy of mine, although i clearly made a few errors, i was in a hurry to leave for work.

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Mr. Mitchell and other concerned parties,

I'm writing you today concerning the issue of Proposal 1, a bill recently passed and new law taken effect Dec. 4th. I'm very concerned that even though Michigan voter clearly want change, the draft rules conflict with the law passed and other laws and regulations for medicinal products of all types.

It is in everyone's interest that the law be faithfully implemented, and that patients are able to trust the department and obtain ID cards. We need to revise the rules so that they mirror Proposal 1.

Proposal 1 tasked the MDCH with issuing state registry ID cards to qualifying patients, which will protect them from arrest. It gave the MDCH authority to issue rules about processing applications, adding additional qualifying conditions, and setting fees. But these draft rules go much further and seek to rewrite new and unreasonable requirements into the voter-enacted law

Patients and caregivers cannot be required to submit inventory reports and be denied applications if they do not do so. Prop. 1 lists the only permissible reasons for denying an application; a failure to submit an inventory report is not one of them because the law does not require inventory reports. To submit an inventory report would be self incriminating against a federal law that while not changed yet, needs to be and will be eventually, because clearly voters want this as we are the 13th state to allow medical marijuana.


Caregivers also cannot be required to hand over marijuana to police if their patient has passed away and they do not have other patients. The law does not say that they are required to do so.

Inspections are not allowed according to Section 6(g) of Proposal 1, yet the draft rules reference inspections of enclosed, locked locations.

I am disappointed by how far the draft rules depart from Proposal 1. From the requirement that a minor's two physicians practice independently of one another to grow site registration to the purported disqualification of patients and caregivers for any drug conviction, they starkly contrast with the law that 63% of Michigan voters approved.

There is no restriction for potentially deadly medications like prescription morphine, oxycontin, or methamphetamine saying that it must be contained in a locked facility. Yet the draft rules indicate that all marijuana must be kept in one, when the law only requires that marijuana plants be stored in an enclosed, locked facility.

The draft rules seek to define a "public place" where marijuana cannot be used to include anywhere "visible to the public." This could include a front porch or the inside of a patient's house, if the patient is near the window.this means a patient cannot take their medicine inside of their house just because a curtain is open. Yet I, not a patient, can smoke a tobacco cigarette which kills about half a million americans every year (that's half a million more than medical marijuana or even the cannabis plant in general) and exhale the deadly carcinogenic smoke in the presence of a child in a public place without fearing arrest.

The task of writing rules to regulate the issuing of medical marijuana user ID cards, fees, caregiver cards, etc. has been forgotten, the MDCH has overstepped it's bounds. Instead of doing what the newly passed medical marihuana act, you seek to rewrite our law passed by us, THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN. We live in a democracy, where the people are supposed to vote on leaders and laws. It's not the MDCH's power to change the law except through the proper methods such as writing an amendment to a law and hoping it passes.

It is unfortunate that even after years of proof showing the medicinal benefits of marijuana the MDCH still fails to recognize marijuana's medicinal value. The people of the state that employs you, they're a different breed, they recognize the benefits and on november 4, 2008 passed proposal 1 by a 2/3's majority. Now please, we plead with you to make the rules just and not overstep your bounds when the draft undergoes a rveision.






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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #9537277 - 01/03/09 10:10 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Grand Rapids had some dank when I was there.......not that it is even a crime.  If someone smoked some dank with me I wouldn't at all be offended.  People are just offended because it is a different experience and if they are against it and it's legal then they might feel uncool or unwelcome.  But it sure isn't a crime where my morality stands, locking someone in a cage is definitely more of a crime.


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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9539909 - 01/03/09 07:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

well MM is legal here now and im ok with that, that shows that people agree with the use meaning they have loosened up which leads me to believe they will continue to loosen up. but i will have to get to know some people. ive always been able to get the best weed but the prices are ridicules


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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: Invisible_Woe]
    #9543656 - 01/04/09 11:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

What really boggles me is the part about a public place. If you're smoking marijuana inside your house next to a window, and you're allowed to use the marijuana, why is it illegal? No one is even going to care, because if your window is closed how the hell are they going to know you're smoking the reefer and not tobacco, unless they trespass onto your property? Absolutely ridiculous. So I guess the lawmakers want to see people cover all their windows with newspaper or something, which would make them more susceptible to police raids, which undoubtedly will happen. yay! Let's invade the privacy of another terminally ill person! Not cool.


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Re: Patients oppose strict rules for medical marijuana [MI] [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9546944 - 01/04/09 07:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

chill man. its not that big of deal. the state is just trying to say hey smoke and grow the dope, but dont run around in public with bongs like a bunch of fuck sticks.


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