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 A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus 
#9501009 - 12/27/08 06:54 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
I've been reading up and I'd like to grow shrooms using Otto's bucket technique, since it seems to be the simplest!
However, I've not found a tek that actually describes it in much detail. So I'm going to post what I *think* is right. And you guys can correct me with whatever is wrong with it and I'll edit the post accordingly. Bear in mind I've never grown shrooms before, so there will be a lot wrong with it to start off with.
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Tek last updated 28/12/08
The bucket:
6 holes should be positioned about half a cm above the substrate layer so co2 can roll off of it easily. Clean the bucket thoroughly, leave to drip dry upside down, and cover the holes with micro pore plasters. Shower cap fitted snugly over the top.
The jars:
Prepare the jars. I'm going to use regular pasta sauce jars.
Buy a bag of wild bird seed, pour appropriate amount into a saucepan filled with just-boiled water, leave for 1 hour, empty, rince again, pressure cook, shake, and leave over night. Inoculate. Let colonize.
Approx 2 1/2 pint jars per bucket.
Here is a nice simple tek on how to prepare the WBS.
The substrate:
Prepare the horse poo / straw / coir mix.
Here looks like a good guide.
The casing:
Follow this guide, but use 75% verm, and 25% coir.
Put it all together:
Obviously in a clean environment, fill the bucket with 2cm of substrate. Break up the fully-colonized jars into the substrate, and once it has colonized the substrate aswell, add 0.5cm of casing on top of that.
Maintenance
Nearly none! Keep temp at approx 25 degrees. Have a fan on a couple of times a day, and use the shower caps as a sort of lung by pulling it up!
I realise I've probably got this rather wrong, but do please reply and post your advice and maybe by the end of it we'll have a nice little guide that myself and maybe others will be able to use effectively!
This is the original Bucket o' fungus post.
Edited by Leadwing (12/28/08 01:04 AM)
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 Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: Leadwing]
#9501076 - 12/27/08 07:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I personally wouldn't bother w/ that bucket tek. You can get similar nearly maintenance-free results in a Dub-tub. My next grow is gonna be modeled after this right here - which was two rectangular 12qt bins.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9072851
It's gonna create a much larger surface area for fruiting, and that's just the mini version of dub-tubs. Those use 2 qts of WBS spawn, and like 5 qts of bulk substrate. So if you wanted to do a coir/coffee mix for your bulk, that'd be like 10 qts of bulk sub [w/ a brick of coir and coffee added]. So you could either get tubs twice as big, and use 4 qts of WBS, which would be a 2:5 ratio. Or, you could get 4 tubs and make 2 Minis, which is what I'm doing. Use 2 qts of WBS per tub, and divide the coir/coffee mix into 2 which would be 5 qts each.
Here's the complete tek on the Dub-tub. It's just 2 identical tubs, 1 upside down on the other 1. And you have a set of holes on the bottom tub right above the substrate level, and another set on the top tub, which is close to the top. You stuff the holes w/ polyfill, and what it does is suck FAE in thru the top holes, and it goes out the bottom holes, bringing the stale CO2-filled air w/ it.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4323984/an/0/page/0
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: Leadwing]
#9501104 - 12/27/08 08:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Leadwing said:
The bucket:
Holes cut in the upper half, lets say 6? Cleaned thoroughly, left to drip dry upside down, and holes covered with micro pore plasters. Shower cap fitted snugly over the top.
The holes should be position about half a cm above the substrate layer so co2 can roll off of it easily.
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The jars:
Prepare the jars (we all know how).
Buy a bag of wild bird seed, pour into a bowl, fill with water, remove the floaters, empty, rince again, fill with water, and leave to soak over night. After that drain the water, rinse again, put the seed back in the jars (3/4 full) and pressure cook. Inoculate. Let colonize.
Approx 2 1/2 pint jars per bucket?
Follow this to see how to prepare WBS in detail.
Docs bird seed tek is terrible (no offense doc) You do not need to remove floaters, after the initial rinse and soak for 24 hours followed by a 15-20 minute simmer, another rinse and finally draining very well, then load and pc.
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The substrate:
Prepare the horse poo / straw / coir mix.
Here looks like a good guide.
Perfect 
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The casing:
Prepare the casing using verm / coir.
Check here.
With a verm/coir casing you want a ratio of about 75/25 verm/coir, the vermiculite should only be lightly coated in coir since it has a habbit of overlaying.
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Put it all together:
I'm purely guessing here, but, in a clean environment, fill the bucket with (2?) inches of substrate. Break up the fully-colonized jars into the substrate, and finally add (1?) inch of casing on top of that.
Use only about half a cm of casing material for 2cm's of substrate, I'm use to 6cm's substrate depths and still never went over 1cm of casing material.
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Maintenance
Nearly none! Keep temp at approx 25. Have a fan on a couple of times a day, and use the shower caps as a sort of lung by pulling it up!
I realise I've probably got this rather wrong, but do please reply and post your advice and maybe by the end of it we'll have a nice little guide that myself and maybe others will be able to use effectively!
This is the original Bucket o' fungus post.
That's pretty much it.
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: HybridprX]
#9501141 - 12/27/08 08:59 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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HybridprX said:[
Docs bird seed tek is terrible (no offense doc) You do not need to remove floaters, after the initial rinse and soak for 24 hours followed by a 15-20 minute simmer, another rinse and finally draining very well, then load and pc.
Really is that why thousands of people still use it including doc himself? Lol.
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: beengonetoolong]
#9501149 - 12/27/08 09:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea I've heard nothing but good things about Doc's tek, and seen it linked to many times. It must not make a big difference, but it seems the floaters would either be hollow empty shells, or just have less seed inside - so they'd have less nutrients and take up space. I could be wrong since I haven't used WBS yet, but it makes sense. 
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: J3illy]
#9501181 - 12/27/08 09:39 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will take rye over WBS any day but after after you use WBS a million of so times and learn how to get the moisture right than it is nearly just as good and its easier to find making it an even better choice its just harder to get used to at 1st
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: Blutjager]
#9501195 - 12/27/08 09:47 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm sure if you stick with doc's brand of bird seed that his tek will work out like in the pictures but from my experience the water NEVER runs that clear prior to simmering. You can rinse the hell out of the WBS but as soon as you put it in the soak container it will go murky all over again this leaves alot of confusion for the new guys.
Same goes for tossing "floaters" they get sterilized all the same other then it being a matter of preference to remove them they will still serve as a inoculation point in bulk.
The drain time is also iffy, you usually need to let WBS drain for a hour or two, or until you can shake it and no water drips....I'm just picky when it comes to teks I guess but like beengonetoolong said to each their own.
WBS with the floaters
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: HybridprX]
#9501209 - 12/27/08 09:55 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Only once or twice have I ever bothered with the "Remove the floaters" theory and it didn't seem to improve a thing over leaving them in,since they are after all floating they pour off fairly easy and if you dont get all of them who cares,they wont relly messs anything up at all
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My LC tek >> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7320516/an/0/page/0
""THEY CAN NOT KILL ME,I STILL WALK THE EARTH,WEAKENED BUT ALIVE.THEY HAVE TAKEN ALL FROM ME BUT THE BEATING OF MY COLD DEAD HEART.
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: J3illy]
#9501222 - 12/27/08 09:59 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't like floaters
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: dead]
#9501290 - 12/27/08 10:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: cosmictaco]
#9501361 - 12/27/08 11:04 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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if it wasn't for docs wbs tek i would have never grown a single mushroom. it is the shit. obviously after you use any tek for a while you make it your own and learn when how and why you can cut some corners in some places.
i just anted to add i have made jars of only floaters(and so have plenty of other people) and they work just fine.
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: grod31]
#9504665 - 12/28/08 12:38 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
J3illy said:
I personally wouldn't bother w/ that bucket tek. You can get similar nearly maintenance-free results in a Dub-tub. My next grow is gonna be modeled after this right here - which was two rectangular 12qt bins.
Hmm I think I'll do the bucket tek since its nice and compact. Not much room. Living in a tent infact!
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cosmictaco said:
Foomans wbs tek has never failed me! Works great and oh so easy!!!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5265629#5265629
Ooo I like that one, its a bit simpler aswell.
Thanks for the tips Hybrid, will make changes.
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: Leadwing]
#9504692 - 12/28/08 12:49 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not sure if anyone mentioned this prior, but you don't add the casing layer until the poo spawn mix is fully colonized.
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: arp180]
#9504719 - 12/28/08 01:01 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok thanks arp, will add that.
One question Hybrid, if the holes are cut 1/2cm above where the substrate layer will be, wont the casing layer block them?
Or do you mean 1/2cm above the sub and casing?
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Re: A detailed explanation of Otto's Bucket o' Fungus [Re: Leadwing]
#9505741 - 12/28/08 06:21 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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just use ur head on that one.
GL with the buckets, i always wanted to try them too 
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Re: help! please. Pf tek 2 bucket tek [Re: just me]
#9529774 - 01/02/09 12:28 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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can i crumble BRF cakes for substrate, or do i have 2 mix w/H poo? can i use 100% verm casing or does it need coir?
luv bucket tek. srry if to noob-ish.
Edited by 13shrooms (01/02/09 08:47 PM)
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